(12-19-2019 06:31 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-19-2019 03:36 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-19-2019 03:25 PM)bullet Wrote:  Since the beginning of the BCS era, the average final regular season ranking of the champ:

Pac 12 5.52
Big 12 4.48
Big 10 7.14
ACC 7.67
SEC 2.90
AAC/BE 13.0
MWC 17.9

and how about the CFP era?
SEC 1.50
ACC 2.00
B12 4.17
B10 4.17
P12 5.83

Sorry but why exactly would the ACC and SEC be good with that?

ACC is pretty much solely one school. Which is why the 21 year data is lower and so much more reliable.

SEC if they are #1 will get the #8 seed which will be G5 or lowest wildcard. B1G and Pac playing doesn't impact them.

But it easily could matter.... And if the SEC was #2 or #3, they want no part of having to face a #4 or #5 team 1st round- and nor should they....

If you thought/think seeding is so meaningless, why is it in the CFP. 1st year they had a chance to have a pure Rose Bowl with Ohio St and Oregon. And they passed on that.... The seeding matters to folks.... Tradition means far less now than it ever has. We aren't going backwards. Which is exactly what that would be....

(12-19-2019 06:52 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Maybe this was a subtle reminder to the ACC that between 2004-2012 they would have qualified for exactly 1 top 4 CFP playoff. The ACC has enjoyed a nice ride since 2013 but their was a season where they were the weak sister and truth be told, Florida St and Clemson, not the conference as a whole, have been successful in recent years.

You’re right, numbers don’t lie. What exactly does qualifying for the playoff mean if nothing comes from it? There really aren’t that many teams in a given year that have a chance to pretty much run the table and win it all.

What team in the Big Ten has done anything other than Ohio State? MSU? Playoff blowout loss. No other team in the Big Ten has sniffed a national title.

(12-19-2019 09:54 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-19-2019 06:52 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Maybe this was a subtle reminder to the ACC that between 2004-2012 they would have qualified for exactly 1 top 4 CFP playoff. The ACC has enjoyed a nice ride since 2013 but their was a season where they were the weak sister and truth be told, Florida St and Clemson, not the conference as a whole, have been successful in recent years.

You’re right, numbers don’t lie. What exactly does qualifying for the playoff mean if nothing comes from it? There really aren’t that many teams in a given year that have a chance to pretty much run the table and win it all.

What team in the Big Ten has done anything other than Ohio State? MSU? Playoff blowout loss. No other team in the Big Ten has sniffed a national title.

Those are some big words from someone who follows a school with Zero appearances in the CFP, BCS, Bowl Alliance, or Bowl Coalition.

I seem to recall in 2014 a Big Ten team beat Alabama and then Oregon (who defeated Florida St) to win a title.

The difference, aside from actually getting teams ranked on the top 4 in the aforementioned period that spanned nearly a decade is that the Big Ten actually had depth. As a conference multiple teams were ranked. Recall that epic #1 vs #2 Ohio St vs Mich game back around 2006? When the ACC has a good team that’s exactly what they have—one singularly good team and then a bunch of meh ones. Pray that Clemson keeps on their current lucky streak because if they hit a slump or move to the SEC there’s not going to be anyone in the position to feel that void.

The thing I don’t understand about ACC fans is you all cling to the accomplishments of your one good team and can’t see the flaws of your conference. Can one of you just admit that you all collectively played horribly OOC and posted a G5 win percentage that was less than .250? Heck, 2 of those 4 wins were by Clemson—talk about carrying the conference on their shoulders.

I didn’t cling to anything, and I gave a shout out to OSU. Who else? Perennially overrated Michigan? Um, okay.

(12-19-2019 10:27 PM)esayem Wrote:  I didn’t cling to anything, and I gave a shout out to OSU. Who else? Perennially overrated Michigan? Um, okay.

Penn State has been to the Rose, Fiesta and Cotton (next week) in the CFP era.

Michigan St also had that 13-1 team that finished 3rd and won the Rose Bowl the final year before the CFP.

(12-19-2019 10:58 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(12-19-2019 10:27 PM)esayem Wrote:  I didn’t cling to anything, and I gave a shout out to OSU. Who else? Perennially overrated Michigan? Um, okay.

Penn State has been to the Rose, Fiesta and Cotton (next week) in the CFP era.

But never in the playoffs. When it comes to the playoffs if the ACC is a "one team conference" then so is the Big Slow.

(12-19-2019 11:32 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-19-2019 10:58 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(12-19-2019 10:27 PM)esayem Wrote:  I didn’t cling to anything, and I gave a shout out to OSU. Who else? Perennially overrated Michigan? Um, okay.

Penn State has been to the Rose, Fiesta and Cotton (next week) in the CFP era.

But never in the playoffs. When it comes to the playoffs if the ACC is a "one team conference" then so is the Big Slow.

This is true. But you left out the Big 12. And I'm old, can't remember, and don't care to look it up but is Washington the only school to represent the PAC, or has Oregon gotten in too like maybe the first year?

(12-19-2019 11:40 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-19-2019 11:32 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-19-2019 10:58 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(12-19-2019 10:27 PM)esayem Wrote:  I didn’t cling to anything, and I gave a shout out to OSU. Who else? Perennially overrated Michigan? Um, okay.

Penn State has been to the Rose, Fiesta and Cotton (next week) in the CFP era.

But never in the playoffs. When it comes to the playoffs if the ACC is a "one team conference" then so is the Big Slow.

This is true. But you left out the Big 12. And I'm old, can't remember, and don't care to look it up but is Washington the only school to represent the PAC, or has Oregon gotten in too like maybe the first year?

SEC: Alabama - 5x, Georgia - 1x, LSU - 1x
ACC: Clemson - 5x, Florida St - 1x
B1G: Ohio St - 3x, Michigan St - 1x
XII: Oklahoma - 4x
PAC: Oregon - 1x, Washington 1x
IND: Notre Dame - 1x

(12-19-2019 11:32 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-19-2019 10:58 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(12-19-2019 10:27 PM)esayem Wrote:  I didn’t cling to anything, and I gave a shout out to OSU. Who else? Perennially overrated Michigan? Um, okay.

Penn State has been to the Rose, Fiesta and Cotton (next week) in the CFP era.

But never in the playoffs. When it comes to the playoffs if the ACC is a "one team conference" then so is the Big Slow.

If that’s the narrow lens, perhaps. But it’s a far more diverse spread of teams “just out” than the ACC. Iowa, Wisconsin, and Penn State have felt that sting of #5. Who can say that in the ACC who wasn’t just rounding out a bowl commitment?

Heck, has the ACC ever had a 2015 year when the CCG determined the playoff representative?

(12-20-2019 04:40 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(12-19-2019 11:32 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-19-2019 10:58 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(12-19-2019 10:27 PM)esayem Wrote:  I didn’t cling to anything, and I gave a shout out to OSU. Who else? Perennially overrated Michigan? Um, okay.

Penn State has been to the Rose, Fiesta and Cotton (next week) in the CFP era.

But never in the playoffs. When it comes to the playoffs if the ACC is a "one team conference" then so is the Big Slow.

If that’s the narrow lens, perhaps. But it’s a far more diverse spread of teams “just out” than the ACC. Iowa, Wisconsin, and Penn State have felt that sting of #5. Who can say that in the ACC who wasn’t just rounding out a bowl commitment?

Heck, has the ACC ever had a 2015 year when the CCG determined the playoff representative?

Yes, I think it was 2015 when Clemson beat a one-loss, top ten UNC by 8 in Charlotte.

(12-20-2019 07:13 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-20-2019 04:40 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(12-19-2019 11:32 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-19-2019 10:58 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(12-19-2019 10:27 PM)esayem Wrote:  I didn’t cling to anything, and I gave a shout out to OSU. Who else? Perennially overrated Michigan? Um, okay.

Penn State has been to the Rose, Fiesta and Cotton (next week) in the CFP era.

But never in the playoffs. When it comes to the playoffs if the ACC is a "one team conference" then so is the Big Slow.

If that’s the narrow lens, perhaps. But it’s a far more diverse spread of teams “just out” than the ACC. Iowa, Wisconsin, and Penn State have felt that sting of #5. Who can say that in the ACC who wasn’t just rounding out a bowl commitment?

Heck, has the ACC ever had a 2015 year when the CCG determined the playoff representative?

Yes, I think it was 2015 when Clemson beat a one-loss, top ten UNC by 8 in Charlotte.

UNC almost certainly with 2 FCS games doesn't make it that year.

(12-20-2019 04:40 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(12-19-2019 11:32 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-19-2019 10:58 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(12-19-2019 10:27 PM)esayem Wrote:  I didn’t cling to anything, and I gave a shout out to OSU. Who else? Perennially overrated Michigan? Um, okay.

Penn State has been to the Rose, Fiesta and Cotton (next week) in the CFP era.

But never in the playoffs. When it comes to the playoffs if the ACC is a "one team conference" then so is the Big Slow.

If that’s the narrow lens, perhaps. But it’s a far more diverse spread of teams “just out” than the ACC. Iowa, Wisconsin, and Penn State have felt that sting of #5. Who can say that in the ACC who wasn’t just rounding out a bowl commitment?

Heck, has the ACC ever had a 2015 year when the CCG determined the playoff representative?

"Just Out" is still out. The facts are the facts: if you are going to call the ACC a "one team conference" then so is the Big Slow.

(12-19-2019 09:54 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-19-2019 06:52 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Maybe this was a subtle reminder to the ACC that between 2004-2012 they would have qualified for exactly 1 top 4 CFP playoff. The ACC has enjoyed a nice ride since 2013 but their was a season where they were the weak sister and truth be told, Florida St and Clemson, not the conference as a whole, have been successful in recent years.

You’re right, numbers don’t lie. What exactly does qualifying for the playoff mean if nothing comes from it? There really aren’t that many teams in a given year that have a chance to pretty much run the table and win it all.

What team in the Big Ten has done anything other than Ohio State? MSU? Playoff blowout loss. No other team in the Big Ten has sniffed a national title.

I view making the playoffs like I view making the Final Four in basketball.

It has a special status by itself.

(12-20-2019 08:18 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-20-2019 07:13 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-20-2019 04:40 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(12-19-2019 11:32 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-19-2019 10:58 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Penn State has been to the Rose, Fiesta and Cotton (next week) in the CFP era.

But never in the playoffs. When it comes to the playoffs if the ACC is a "one team conference" then so is the Big Slow.

If that’s the narrow lens, perhaps. But it’s a far more diverse spread of teams “just out” than the ACC. Iowa, Wisconsin, and Penn State have felt that sting of #5. Who can say that in the ACC who wasn’t just rounding out a bowl commitment?

Heck, has the ACC ever had a 2015 year when the CCG determined the playoff representative?

Yes, I think it was 2015 when Clemson beat a one-loss, top ten UNC by 8 in Charlotte.

UNC almost certainly with 2 FCS games doesn't make it that year.

And UNC had played zero Top 25 teams and lost to a 3-9 South Carolina team.

By contrast:
- #4 Michigan St beat 4 Top-20 teams and 3 Top-12.

(12-19-2019 09:54 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-19-2019 06:52 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Maybe this was a subtle reminder to the ACC that between 2004-2012 they would have qualified for exactly 1 top 4 CFP playoff. The ACC has enjoyed a nice ride since 2013 but their was a season where they were the weak sister and truth be told, Florida St and Clemson, not the conference as a whole, have been successful in recent years.

You’re right, numbers don’t lie. What exactly does qualifying for the playoff mean if nothing comes from it? There really aren’t that many teams in a given year that have a chance to pretty much run the table and win it all.

What team in the Big Ten has done anything other than Ohio State? MSU? Playoff blowout loss. No other team in the Big Ten has sniffed a national title.

There have been 15 games in the CFP history. Alabama (6), Clemson (5) and Ohio St. (2) have won 13 of them. They didn't play in the other two, which were won by Oregon and Georgia. So really, only 5 teams have done anything and 125 have done nothing.

I guess Oklahoma with 3 can claim the most losses, tied with Alabama. The other 4 above combine for 5-Clemson-2, UGA, Ohio ST. and Oregon 1.

(12-20-2019 09:21 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(12-19-2019 09:54 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-19-2019 06:52 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Maybe this was a subtle reminder to the ACC that between 2004-2012 they would have qualified for exactly 1 top 4 CFP playoff. The ACC has enjoyed a nice ride since 2013 but their was a season where they were the weak sister and truth be told, Florida St and Clemson, not the conference as a whole, have been successful in recent years.

You’re right, numbers don’t lie. What exactly does qualifying for the playoff mean if nothing comes from it? There really aren’t that many teams in a given year that have a chance to pretty much run the table and win it all.

What team in the Big Ten has done anything other than Ohio State? MSU? Playoff blowout loss. No other team in the Big Ten has sniffed a national title.

I view making the playoffs like I view making the Final Four in basketball.

It has a special status by itself.

Yes, no question, that's how it is viewed. Just as making the Final 4 is recognized as a big thing even if you don't win the national title, likewise making the CFP playoffs. It's basically equal to making the Final 4.

Funny thing is, as Delany alluded to, it wasn't that way in the BCS. The BCS runner-up didn't have the same status that a CFP playoff team does now.

First of all, nobody knows which teams would have made the playoffs under a hypothetical committee in the BCS era.

Secondly, I was addressing bragging about a hypothetical playoff team in the BCS era. It’s so stupid, and typical conference chest puffing. Oh course making the playoffs is special, but how does that reflect a conference if only the usual suspects are making the playoffs?

The truth is, if UNC knocked out #1 Clemson in 2015, they would have been in. Who else? Iowa, which lost their CCG or 2-loss Stanford? Or 1-loss Clemson, a team they would have beat on a neutral field a day prior?

(12-20-2019 11:22 AM)esayem Wrote:  The truth is, if UNC knocked out #1 Clemson in 2015, they would have been in. Who else? Iowa, which lost their CCG or 2-loss Stanford? Or 1-loss Clemson, a team they would have beat on a neutral field a day prior?

Ohio State for sure.

(12-18-2019 07:34 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-18-2019 05:51 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  The 4 other P5s will wait and see if the Big 12 survives the expiration of its GoR intact, in which case they may well pursue an 8-team CFP for the next cycle. If it becomes a P4, however, with de facto autobids for P4 conference champs, then there is no need for expanding the CFP from the perspective of the powers-that-be. It would be preferable to simply expand the CCG to a 2-round affair than expand the CFP.

How many times does this have to be said? ESPN has ZERO interest in champs only. It simply will not happen no matter how nice and neat and orderly and it makes OCD types happy-we aren't having a 4X16 where everyone places 10 conferences games and we have a 4 team champs only playoff.

On top of that, the exclusion of G5 is very problematic.

Obviously the G5 is not driving the bus on any of this, but there's a reason since the BCS started each change has thrown a few more scraps their way in terms of money and access. It ain't because the power leagues are feeling generous. Obviously the power leagues are never going to do anything that makes the non-power leagues "equals" but they've never actually officially locked out the non-power leagues for a reason. I suspect that reason is they know they have been in a precarious legal position regarding all sorts of things for years and throwing just enough scraps towards those leagues keeps them in line and keeps them from attempting to rock the boat at all.