(12-13-2019 04:38 PM)TheBigEastSucks Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 01:07 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 12:55 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 12:44 PM)YNot Wrote:  FWIW, ESPN broadcast 14 MWC games in the 10pm ET timeslot on ESPN and ESPN2 this year. 6 of those involved Boise State and 1 was the BYU @ Utah State game. The total is 16 games in the 10pm ET timeslot when you add BYU home games, which includes the Boise State @ BYU game. I also note that Air Force and SDSU were each in 3 of the MWC games that did not involve Boise or BYU (Nevada was actually in 4, no one else was in more than 2).

So, ESPN really only needs about 14 games to satisfy its late-night western inventory needs that it currently gets from the MWC. They could get that inventory from 3 western additions to the AAC and, under a pro rata increase of the current AAC TV deal, would need only about $20M per year to get it.

This is one of the points Ive made in the past. ESPN could save money by helping the AAC add three teams. If we were to take Air Force, Boise St and SDSU, that would be enough inventory out west to fill ESPNs needs and then they wouldnt have to even bid on teh MWC.

If they give the MWC $3 million each, it will cost them $36 million a year. They can add 3 teams to the AAC and pay $21 million.

In the end, I still think Air Force will be in the AAC by the end of 2021.

Boise will not be invited. That bridge was burned. Otherwise carry on.

Didn’t temple get kicked out and rejoin, bridges can be rebuilt with $$

forget what you read about Temple getting kicked out... Temple got kicked out to m ke room for UConn football and still maintain the FB/BB balance of the BIG EAST.

(12-13-2019 04:38 PM)TheBigEastSucks Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 01:07 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 12:55 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 12:44 PM)YNot Wrote:  FWIW, ESPN broadcast 14 MWC games in the 10pm ET timeslot on ESPN and ESPN2 this year. 6 of those involved Boise State and 1 was the BYU @ Utah State game. The total is 16 games in the 10pm ET timeslot when you add BYU home games, which includes the Boise State @ BYU game. I also note that Air Force and SDSU were each in 3 of the MWC games that did not involve Boise or BYU (Nevada was actually in 4, no one else was in more than 2).

So, ESPN really only needs about 14 games to satisfy its late-night western inventory needs that it currently gets from the MWC. They could get that inventory from 3 western additions to the AAC and, under a pro rata increase of the current AAC TV deal, would need only about $20M per year to get it.

This is one of the points Ive made in the past. ESPN could save money by helping the AAC add three teams. If we were to take Air Force, Boise St and SDSU, that would be enough inventory out west to fill ESPNs needs and then they wouldnt have to even bid on teh MWC.

If they give the MWC $3 million each, it will cost them $36 million a year. They can add 3 teams to the AAC and pay $21 million.

In the end, I still think Air Force will be in the AAC by the end of 2021.

Boise will not be invited. That bridge was burned. Otherwise carry on.

Didn’t temple get kicked out and rejoin, bridges can be rebuilt with $$

Temple didn't attempt to strong arm the conference and is a respectable academic institution. Boise did try to strong arm the AAC and is the academic equivelent of a community college.

There will be no AAC saving Boise. They will rot or figure it out. Most the other MW schools are not up to par.

The AAC has no need for Boise.

(12-13-2019 12:26 PM)mikeinoki Wrote:  The number needs to be 12. No need to add 5 teams or however many. No need to add more time zones. The AAC is on an upward trajectory. No need to dilute the product. Just find one school between the Atlantic and Texas to add in the next 2 years to balance the schedule.

Yep.
UAB.

(12-13-2019 04:13 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  The question is whether Aresco, once again, chases a TV market, or chases success. Chasing markets works well in the short term but with no success on the field, you aren't going to capture 10% of the capacity of that market.

App State, for example, captures more of the TV market than UNCC does. App also reaches the Triad (Winston-Salem, Greensboro, Burlington) and has some impact in the Triangle. There aren't the big corporate dollars on campus the way a Charlotte might pull in but, in terms of value, App would garner attention purely based on their product for the past 15 years.

App State won't be the add here. I'd fully expect someone like Army or Air Force who has a rather large following irrespective of location.

There is always a ton of recency bias in these forums. I think they key question to ask in this process is "From day one, if X team consistently won 4-7 games per season in our conference, would we still want them?"

To me, the answer is no for pretty much everyone except BYU, then maaaybe Army/Air Force.

(12-13-2019 04:13 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  The question is whether Aresco, once again, chases a TV market, or chases success. Chasing markets works well in the short term but with no success on the field, you aren't going to capture 10% of the capacity of that market.

App State, for example, captures more of the TV market than UNCC does. App also reaches the Triad (Winston-Salem, Greensboro, Burlington) and has some impact in the Triangle. There aren't the big corporate dollars on campus the way a Charlotte might pull in but, in terms of value, App would garner attention purely based on their product for the past 15 years.

App State won't be the add here. I'd fully expect someone like Army or Air Force who has a rather large following irrespective of location.

ECU gets a larger share of those markets as it is.

What I take from the tweets is that they are restructuring the contract to subtract the 8 mil a year UConn would have gotten if it was in the conference. This would mean we are still getting our fair share without distributing the extra money if it stayed at 1 bullion. They are also going to reconstruct it again once a new team is added to ensure that they get more cap money to spend on the addition.

It is just ESPN penny pinching the conference and that is all.

I just don't think adding a western group of 3-4 schools works right now. Maybe at some point. But much preferred IMO would be to have a school (one school) rise up over the next 2-5 yrs east of the MS river, within our current footprint. All sports preferred but maybe a FB add & a BB/oly sports add. Don't know who it would be. Would love to see GA St, ODU, UAB or another eastern US urban university show investment & a consistent WINNING PROGRAM for 2 or more yrs - and of course it would be great to see some fan support (25K+). Panama will chime in extolling GSU's investment in facilities but they have to invest in the FB program too - coaches, recruiting budget, fans etc, whatever it takes within the rules to win. App St is doing it, but unfortunately they don't bring any market.

Until then, stay at 11.

Next year, Cincy, Memphis, Houston, UCF, Temple have strong teams coming back. Navy, Tulane, USF, Ecu, and Smu could be good. Tulsa is the only team that is sure to struggle. We do not need a western wing at this time.

(12-13-2019 04:05 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 02:11 PM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 01:06 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 11:58 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 09:08 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  How are we coming up with the 45 games? I understand the the conference will be covering production for football, we will produce basketball that doesn't end up on regular channels, but what about baseball (35ish home games plus postseason) + whatever garbage sports (womens bball, soccer, softball, etc) ESPN wants us to throw on Plus?

Not saying we'd jump to $2m, but I would think that there would be more contests that the schools would produce for other sports.

Yeah, I wonder about that also unless ESPN doesn’t care if they get students to produce the games for free on the other sports. Or will those games not be on ESPN+? You guys don’t have your own digital network.

The overall requirements for the other sports are much less, just in announcers, most will just have their radio double up or a local guy/student do it.

We keep pointing this out and other conferences keep ignoring it, but we do have a digital network the American Digital Network. Several programs had their own digital network as well (Wichita actually came in with a good one, USF, Tulsa has Hurricane Vision or whatever) everyone has at least the foundation required to produce and some (Memphis, Cincy) were already running local/regional broadcasts. ECU is most likely the furthest behind and their total to catch up us 1m. Most of the cost for the other sports will just be transferred from the American Digital/school network to ESPN+. Basketball and football will be added expense because in the previous deal ESPN covered those when on ESPN3, now those costs will fall to the schools for basketball and the conference for football. Tournaments will be covered by ESPN if I remember correctly.

300-500k will be the annual cost depending on school and individual talent cost.

Where do you get that we're behind? Our production facilities were built into the stadium expansion in 2010, in anticipation of this very scenario. They need expanding and some updating in tech, and some addition fiber needs to be run here and there. The $1 mil isn't for catchup, its for basically expansion and update because the production room isn't the size we need.

So you don't need to upgrade stuff for a million dollars? Or you do?

I could be wrong but my understanding was ECU was mentioned by Aresco as someone who would have to update more, since several schools had recently done updates. None of the schools were expected to require serious investments and everyone was expected to be set to go well before the contract was in effect.

My understanding was Memphis, Houston, and Cincinnati were all ready to go (Memphis thanks to built in capability in facilities, Cincy/Houston with the new arenas). Everyone else had to do something here or there and a few more than others.

Your statement was that ECU is furthest behind, at least in my reading, implying that we are basically starting from scratch. We're not, in fact we were well ahead of the curve with this type of thing thanks to Terry Holland being such a forward thinker. The facility opened in 2010, so it needs some updated tech, and Gilbert specifically stated last week that it was going to be enlarged. That's the extent of it. I wouldn't say we're really behind.

(12-13-2019 06:15 PM)rosewater Wrote:  Next year, Cincy, Memphis, Houston, UCF, Temple have strong teams coming back. Navy, Tulane, USF, Ecu, and Smu could be good. Tulsa is the only team that is sure to struggle. We do not need a western wing at this time.

The smu who barely loses anyone and has all the redshirts available to play?

Better than Cinci this year and will be so next year too.

(12-13-2019 12:55 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 12:44 PM)YNot Wrote:  FWIW, ESPN broadcast 14 MWC games in the 10pm ET timeslot on ESPN and ESPN2 this year. 6 of those involved Boise State and 1 was the BYU @ Utah State game. The total is 16 games in the 10pm ET timeslot when you add BYU home games, which includes the Boise State @ BYU game. I also note that Air Force and SDSU were each in 3 of the MWC games that did not involve Boise or BYU (Nevada was actually in 4, no one else was in more than 2).

So, ESPN really only needs about 14 games to satisfy its late-night western inventory needs that it currently gets from the MWC. They could get that inventory from 3 western additions to the AAC and, under a pro rata increase of the current AAC TV deal, would need only about $20M per year to get it.

This is one of the points Ive made in the past. ESPN could save money by helping the AAC add three teams. If we were to take Air Force, Boise St and SDSU, that would be enough inventory out west to fill ESPNs needs and then they wouldnt have to even bid on teh MWC.

If they give the MWC $3 million each, it will cost them $36 million a year. They can add 3 teams to the AAC and pay $21 million.

In the end, I still think Air Force will be in the AAC by the end of 2021.

I find the hard on that many on this board have for Air Force amusing. If AF ever gets added to the AAC I will look forward to the posts of people complaining about having to play football and basketball games in Colorado Springs. There are few places more miserable to travel to in the fall and winter than Colorado Springs. All of the others are in the Mountain West. Trust me, the AAC would be best to add SDSU over AF. I have a lot of respect for the academy, but the travel to play FB and BB is the worst.

(12-13-2019 06:53 PM)rebar619 Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 12:55 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 12:44 PM)YNot Wrote:  FWIW, ESPN broadcast 14 MWC games in the 10pm ET timeslot on ESPN and ESPN2 this year. 6 of those involved Boise State and 1 was the BYU @ Utah State game. The total is 16 games in the 10pm ET timeslot when you add BYU home games, which includes the Boise State @ BYU game. I also note that Air Force and SDSU were each in 3 of the MWC games that did not involve Boise or BYU (Nevada was actually in 4, no one else was in more than 2).

So, ESPN really only needs about 14 games to satisfy its late-night western inventory needs that it currently gets from the MWC. They could get that inventory from 3 western additions to the AAC and, under a pro rata increase of the current AAC TV deal, would need only about $20M per year to get it.

This is one of the points Ive made in the past. ESPN could save money by helping the AAC add three teams. If we were to take Air Force, Boise St and SDSU, that would be enough inventory out west to fill ESPNs needs and then they wouldnt have to even bid on teh MWC.

If they give the MWC $3 million each, it will cost them $36 million a year. They can add 3 teams to the AAC and pay $21 million.

In the end, I still think Air Force will be in the AAC by the end of 2021.

I find the hard on that many on this board have for Air Force amusing. If AF ever gets added to the AAC I will look forward to the posts of people complaining about having to play football and basketball games in Colorado Springs. There are few places more miserable to travel to in the fall and winter than Colorado Springs. All of the others are in the Mountain West. Trust me, the AAC would be best to add SDSU over AF. I have a lot of respect for the academy, but the travel to play FB and BB is the worst.

So quick question... As a SDSU fan, what do you think SDSU wants to do regarding joining the AAC... Join as football only or as full member?

Would SDSU have any concerns regarding travel and travel expenses?

(12-13-2019 06:43 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 06:15 PM)rosewater Wrote:  Next year, Cincy, Memphis, Houston, UCF, Temple have strong teams coming back. Navy, Tulane, USF, Ecu, and Smu could be good. Tulsa is the only team that is sure to struggle. We do not need a western wing at this time.

The smu who barely loses anyone and has all the redshirts available to play?

Better than Cinci this year and will be so next year too.

Nah, NEED a little more ass in that defense. No Proche, No Jones, no championship.

(12-13-2019 07:15 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 06:53 PM)rebar619 Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 12:55 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 12:44 PM)YNot Wrote:  FWIW, ESPN broadcast 14 MWC games in the 10pm ET timeslot on ESPN and ESPN2 this year. 6 of those involved Boise State and 1 was the BYU @ Utah State game. The total is 16 games in the 10pm ET timeslot when you add BYU home games, which includes the Boise State @ BYU game. I also note that Air Force and SDSU were each in 3 of the MWC games that did not involve Boise or BYU (Nevada was actually in 4, no one else was in more than 2).

So, ESPN really only needs about 14 games to satisfy its late-night western inventory needs that it currently gets from the MWC. They could get that inventory from 3 western additions to the AAC and, under a pro rata increase of the current AAC TV deal, would need only about $20M per year to get it.

This is one of the points Ive made in the past. ESPN could save money by helping the AAC add three teams. If we were to take Air Force, Boise St and SDSU, that would be enough inventory out west to fill ESPNs needs and then they wouldnt have to even bid on teh MWC.

If they give the MWC $3 million each, it will cost them $36 million a year. They can add 3 teams to the AAC and pay $21 million.

In the end, I still think Air Force will be in the AAC by the end of 2021.

I find the hard on that many on this board have for Air Force amusing. If AF ever gets added to the AAC I will look forward to the posts of people complaining about having to play football and basketball games in Colorado Springs. There are few places more miserable to travel to in the fall and winter than Colorado Springs. All of the others are in the Mountain West. Trust me, the AAC would be best to add SDSU over AF. I have a lot of respect for the academy, but the travel to play FB and BB is the worst.

So quick question... As a SDSU fan, what do you think SDSU wants to do regarding joining the AAC... Join as football only or as full member?

Would SDSU have any concerns regarding travel and travel expenses?

Full member would make the most sense. On the west coast there is no other league that makes sense to park our Oly programs in. If there were a west wing of the AAC the travel for SDSU would likely be easier than the garbage SDSU has to deal with in the MWC. FB is not a big deal, since it is only a few games a season. The bigger issue IMO is basketball, where our team has to travel to arenas like AF, Wyoming, Colorado State and Utah State. All of them are at elevation (+5280ft) and are nowhere near an airport, so the team needs to fly, then bus 1-2 hours to get to the destination. Traveling to a west wing of the AAC would be much easier since most of the universities will have an airport to fly into with little bus travel.

(12-13-2019 07:33 PM)rebar619 Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 07:15 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 06:53 PM)rebar619 Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 12:55 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 12:44 PM)YNot Wrote:  FWIW, ESPN broadcast 14 MWC games in the 10pm ET timeslot on ESPN and ESPN2 this year. 6 of those involved Boise State and 1 was the BYU @ Utah State game. The total is 16 games in the 10pm ET timeslot when you add BYU home games, which includes the Boise State @ BYU game. I also note that Air Force and SDSU were each in 3 of the MWC games that did not involve Boise or BYU (Nevada was actually in 4, no one else was in more than 2).

So, ESPN really only needs about 14 games to satisfy its late-night western inventory needs that it currently gets from the MWC. They could get that inventory from 3 western additions to the AAC and, under a pro rata increase of the current AAC TV deal, would need only about $20M per year to get it.

This is one of the points Ive made in the past. ESPN could save money by helping the AAC add three teams. If we were to take Air Force, Boise St and SDSU, that would be enough inventory out west to fill ESPNs needs and then they wouldnt have to even bid on teh MWC.

If they give the MWC $3 million each, it will cost them $36 million a year. They can add 3 teams to the AAC and pay $21 million.

In the end, I still think Air Force will be in the AAC by the end of 2021.

I find the hard on that many on this board have for Air Force amusing. If AF ever gets added to the AAC I will look forward to the posts of people complaining about having to play football and basketball games in Colorado Springs. There are few places more miserable to travel to in the fall and winter than Colorado Springs. All of the others are in the Mountain West. Trust me, the AAC would be best to add SDSU over AF. I have a lot of respect for the academy, but the travel to play FB and BB is the worst.

So quick question... As a SDSU fan, what do you think SDSU wants to do regarding joining the AAC... Join as football only or as full member?

Would SDSU have any concerns regarding travel and travel expenses?

Full member would make the most sense. On the west coast there is no other league that makes sense to park our Oly programs in. If there were a west wing of the AAC the travel for SDSU would likely be easier than the garbage SDSU has to deal with in the MWC. FB is not a big deal, since it is only a few games a season. The bigger issue IMO is basketball, where our team has to travel to arenas like AF, Wyoming, Colorado State and Utah State. All of them are at elevation (+5280ft) and are nowhere near an airport, so the team needs to fly, then bus 1-2 hours to get to the destination. Traveling to a west wing of the AAC would be much easier since most of the universities will have an airport to fly into with little bus travel.

Here is a quick example of how terrible it can be to get to Wyoming in the winter: https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/spo...story.html

(12-13-2019 07:15 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 06:53 PM)rebar619 Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 12:55 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 12:44 PM)YNot Wrote:  FWIW, ESPN broadcast 14 MWC games in the 10pm ET timeslot on ESPN and ESPN2 this year. 6 of those involved Boise State and 1 was the BYU @ Utah State game. The total is 16 games in the 10pm ET timeslot when you add BYU home games, which includes the Boise State @ BYU game. I also note that Air Force and SDSU were each in 3 of the MWC games that did not involve Boise or BYU (Nevada was actually in 4, no one else was in more than 2).

So, ESPN really only needs about 14 games to satisfy its late-night western inventory needs that it currently gets from the MWC. They could get that inventory from 3 western additions to the AAC and, under a pro rata increase of the current AAC TV deal, would need only about $20M per year to get it.

This is one of the points Ive made in the past. ESPN could save money by helping the AAC add three teams. If we were to take Air Force, Boise St and SDSU, that would be enough inventory out west to fill ESPNs needs and then they wouldnt have to even bid on teh MWC.

If they give the MWC $3 million each, it will cost them $36 million a year. They can add 3 teams to the AAC and pay $21 million.

In the end, I still think Air Force will be in the AAC by the end of 2021.

I find the hard on that many on this board have for Air Force amusing. If AF ever gets added to the AAC I will look forward to the posts of people complaining about having to play football and basketball games in Colorado Springs. There are few places more miserable to travel to in the fall and winter than Colorado Springs. All of the others are in the Mountain West. Trust me, the AAC would be best to add SDSU over AF. I have a lot of respect for the academy, but the travel to play FB and BB is the worst.

So quick question... As a SDSU fan, what do you think SDSU wants to do regarding joining the AAC... Join as football only or as full member?

Would SDSU have any concerns regarding travel and travel expenses?

At nearly $8 million a year, I doubt travel expenses would be an issue. It would be no different than playing an ooc home and home series.

SDSU makes under $2million now in the MWC.

I'm sure they would accept an offer from the AAC if it came/comes.

Also, SDSU has a terrible tv deal in both sports. In AAC they would get major tv exposure.

If we're not getting more money or power conference status then we might as well stay put.

SDSU would make no sense all sports. That is just a lot on their Olympic sports to be doing that kind of travel regularly. For any MWC team it will make sense to find a regional conference for other sports.

(12-13-2019 06:53 PM)rebar619 Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 12:55 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 12:44 PM)YNot Wrote:  FWIW, ESPN broadcast 14 MWC games in the 10pm ET timeslot on ESPN and ESPN2 this year. 6 of those involved Boise State and 1 was the BYU @ Utah State game. The total is 16 games in the 10pm ET timeslot when you add BYU home games, which includes the Boise State @ BYU game. I also note that Air Force and SDSU were each in 3 of the MWC games that did not involve Boise or BYU (Nevada was actually in 4, no one else was in more than 2).

So, ESPN really only needs about 14 games to satisfy its late-night western inventory needs that it currently gets from the MWC. They could get that inventory from 3 western additions to the AAC and, under a pro rata increase of the current AAC TV deal, would need only about $20M per year to get it.

This is one of the points Ive made in the past. ESPN could save money by helping the AAC add three teams. If we were to take Air Force, Boise St and SDSU, that would be enough inventory out west to fill ESPNs needs and then they wouldnt have to even bid on teh MWC.

If they give the MWC $3 million each, it will cost them $36 million a year. They can add 3 teams to the AAC and pay $21 million.

In the end, I still think Air Force will be in the AAC by the end of 2021.

I find the hard on that many on this board have for Air Force amusing. If AF ever gets added to the AAC I will look forward to the posts of people complaining about having to play football and basketball games in Colorado Springs. There are few places more miserable to travel to in the fall and winter than Colorado Springs. All of the others are in the Mountain West. Trust me, the AAC would be best to add SDSU over AF. I have a lot of respect for the academy, but the travel to play FB and BB is the worst.

i prefer SDSU over AF also and san diego is in a major metro market that fits the profile that the american teams have.it will also add a good basketball team. the bad thing is that its a loner out there and we don't have enough money to add an additional 3 teams to make it work.

and if it were so that would actually be the AAC West and the current AAC West will be renamed AAC Central and the conference will really be American from coast to coast.

Just something to note: CSU is currently playing #24 Colorado tough at home in front of a packed crowd. Seems like their basketball fan support is there.