Fri., Dec. 20, 2:00 p.m. ET
Nassau, Bahamas
Makers Wanted Bahamas Bowl (ESPN)
(8-5) Buffalo 31, (7-6) Charlotte 9
Odds: Buffalo -6

Fri., Dec. 20, 7:30 pm ET
Frisco, Texas
Tropical Smoothie Cafe Frisco Bowl (ESPN2)
(7-6) Kent State 51, (7-6) Utah State 41
Odds: Kent State +6

Sat., Dec. 21, 2:00 pm ET
Albuquerque, New Mexico
New Mexico Bowl (ESPN)
(8-6) Central Michigan 11, (10-3) San Diego State 41
Odds: CMU +3

Thurs., Dec. 26, 8:00 pm ET
Detroit, Michigan
Quick Lane Bowl (ESPN)
(6-7) Eastern Michigan 30, (8-5) Pittsburgh 34
Odds: EMU +11

Mon., Dec. 30, 12:30 pm ET
Dallas, Texas
SERVPRO First Responder Bowl (ESPN)
(7-6) Western Michigan 20, (9-4) Western Kentucky 23
Odds: WMU +3

Fri., Jan. 3, 3:30 pm ET
Boise, Idaho
Famous Idaho Potato Bowl (ESPN)
(7-6) Ohio 30, (7-6) Nevada 21
Odds: Ohio -8

Mon., Jan. 6, 6:30 pm ET
Mobile, Alabama
LendingTree Bowl (ESPN)
(8-6) Miami 17, (11-3) Louisiana 27
Odds: Miami +14

Okay fellow MAC brethren, you can't expect Ohio to give you your only MAC bowl win for the third year in a row.

Let's at least win the bowls where the odds are close.

As for Miami, I guess I want them to win, but I won't lose too much sleep if they lose either.

(12-09-2019 11:24 AM)bobcatgrad Wrote:  Okay fellow MAC brethren, you can't expect Ohio to give you your only MAC bowl win for the third year in a row.

Let's at least win the bowls where the odds are close.

As for Miami, I guess I want them to win, but I won't lose too much sleep if they lose either.

i like and agree with everything you said except the last thing. I want Miami to get humiliated by Louisiana!

At least you can be certain that Toledo will not again be a total embarrassment to the league this year.

(12-09-2019 12:10 PM)bobcat_backer Wrote:  

(12-09-2019 11:24 AM)bobcatgrad Wrote:  Okay fellow MAC brethren, you can't expect Ohio to give you your only MAC bowl win for the third year in a row.

Let's at least win the bowls where the odds are close.

As for Miami, I guess I want them to win, but I won't lose too much sleep if they lose either.

i like and agree with everything you said except the last thing. I want Miami to get humiliated by Louisiana!

I would be lying if I said that the same thought didn't cross my mind.

(12-09-2019 12:28 PM)bobcatgrad Wrote:  

(12-09-2019 12:10 PM)bobcat_backer Wrote:  

(12-09-2019 11:24 AM)bobcatgrad Wrote:  Okay fellow MAC brethren, you can't expect Ohio to give you your only MAC bowl win for the third year in a row.

Let's at least win the bowls where the odds are close.

As for Miami, I guess I want them to win, but I won't lose too much sleep if they lose either.

i like and agree with everything you said except the last thing. I want Miami to get humiliated by Louisiana!

I would be lying if I said that the same thought didn't cross my mind.

Hoping for 5-2. Good luck to WMU, Buffalo, Kent St, Ohio, and Miami! Would like to see the other 2 lose by 3 tds.

(12-09-2019 12:56 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  Hoping for 5-2. Good luck to WMU, Buffalo, Kent St, Ohio, and Miami! Would like to see the other 2 lose by 3 tds.

I wouldn't mind seeing Eastern win, that means the other team will have to lose by 6tds!

I'm expecting us to go 2-5. Possibly 1-6, but I think we'll get 2W out of it. However, that said, maybe 3-4.

I'd be elated if we go 4-3.

(12-09-2019 04:29 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  I'm expecting us to go 2-5. Possibly 1-6, but I think we'll get 2W out of it. However, that said, maybe 3-4.

I'd be elated if we go 4-3.

Really going out on a limb there Todd! Somewhere between 1-6 to maybe 4-3? I think you're right!

More like 1-6 to 3-4. With the best chance of going 2-5.

Hence, I'd be Elated if we were 2 games better than that. :)

I updated the odds. No big changes though.

(12-09-2019 12:25 PM)Rocket75 Wrote:  At least you can be certain that Toledo will not again be a total embarrassment to the league this year.

And NIU won't lose by 30 to somebody either.

Updated Odds from Vegas Insider:

Buffalo -6.5
Kent State +7.5
CMU +3.5
EMU +10.5
WMU +3
Ohio -7
Miami +14

My Take:
0-7: 12%
1-6: 20%
2-5: 28%
3-4: 20%
4-3: 13%
5-2: 4%
6-1: 2%
7-0: 1%

(12-10-2019 07:32 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  Updated Odds from Vegas Insider:

Buffalo -6.5
Kent State +7.5
CMU +3.5
EMU +10.5
WMU +3
Ohio -7
Miami +14

My Take:
0-7: 12%
1-6: 20%
2-5: 28%
3-4: 20%
4-3: 13%
5-2: 4%
6-1: 2%
7-0: 1%

Interested in how you calculated the odds.

The prob of 7 - 0 is probably a lot less than 1% (or just say <1%).

Prob. of going 0 - 7 is almost very small, probably around 1%.

The probability of MAC going 0 - 7 is P(L1) x P(L2)... x (PL7) that is prob of losing G1 x prob of losing G2 etc.

So let's assume UB and Ohio are each say a 65% chance of winning and 35% of losing losing games.

The chance of BOTH UB and Ohio ALONE losing is around 12% (.35 x. 35) or .12

(12-10-2019 07:32 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  Updated Odds from Vegas Insider:

Thanks for posting the Las Vegas odds. I am not familiar with how all the odds making works, so I am just grabbing the odds off the scoreboard at Yahoo sports that seem to be updated rather frequently. Just updated them again now.

Actually, I am a little surprised that there has been no change in the odds for the Ohio game. Nevada fired 3 defensive coaches a couple of days back and will be without three defensive starters for the whole game and another for the first half for their part in the brawl in the UNLV game.

https://www.kolotv.com/content/sports/Ne...15931.html

https://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.co...unlv-game/

Quote:Prob. of going 0 - 7 is almost very small, probably around 1%.

Given our latest years, and considering the matchups, I would Not aim for around 1%! I think there's a realistic shot for it. This is Not a good year for the MAC. Just sayin'. Ohio is not in the same position as the last two years to be the solo-winner.

2019: ?-? (tough matchups; Down Year for the MAC and Ohio isn't as good as yester-years' to feel safe to heroically prevent us from being winless like they did in the last two)
2018: 1-5 (+much more winnable matchups than this year; Ohio solo win)
2017: 1-4 (all losses a blowout; Ohio's win a blow-out though)
2016: 0-6 (WMU vs Wisconsin, respectable close game; Miami-OH surprisingly played Miss-St down to wire; all close except for CMU game)
2015: 3-4
2014: 2-3
2013: 0-5
2012: 2-5
2011: 4-1 (HELL YEAH! WMU only loser in a barn-burner vs Purdue)
2010: 2-2 (.500 -- Awesome for us)
2009: 1-4
2008: 0-5
2007: 0-3

So no, I wouldn't put 0-7 @ 1-2%. Trust me. I WISH it were those odds.

Quote:Thanks for posting the Las Vegas odds. I am not familiar with how all the odds making works, so I am just grabbing the odds off the scoreboard at Yahoo sports that seem to be updated rather frequently. Just updated them again now.

Here's the link. Updated thru the day: https://www.vegasinsider.com/college-foo...las-vegas/

It shows opening odds, then the culmination of other main places for "the" odds for one to go by, while showing the other ones individually.

I would assume Ohio's didn't change for the same reason someone like myself raised an eyebrow to see they were a TD favorite. It's because Nevada's in a state of flux. They probably predicted right after the UNLV game, bad stuff would happen. Otherwise, I'd figure Nevada would be the favorite. So you shouldn't be too surprised it didn't shift, because, well, it was no surprise there'd be repercussions! :)

Bowl season begins. Go Bulls and Flashes!

(12-20-2019 08:25 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  Bowl season begins. Go Bulls and Flashes!

Yes, good luck, gentlemen!

(12-20-2019 09:34 AM)CMichFan Wrote:  

(12-20-2019 08:25 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  Bowl season begins. Go Bulls and Flashes!

Yes, good luck, gentlemen!

Surely you are joking.




We don't want to wish WMU good luck.