clt says Reynolds is leading the Charlotte qb1 challenge

(08-17-2019 09:19 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  If Fine was coveted by the NFL he would not be playing CUSA football this fall. As it is he probably didn’t get much interest from P5 programs when the transfer was being floated around. Don’t get me wrong. Sometimes a guy just refuses to be told he’s not this or that and beats the system but it’s not going to be easy for a six footer regardless of how well he chuncks the rock......

Fine is 5'9" - 185lbs. That is why he won't get his shot at the NFL.

(08-18-2019 08:11 AM)SouthernMiss3613 Wrote:  

(08-17-2019 09:19 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  If Fine was coveted by the NFL he would not be playing CUSA football this fall. As it is he probably didn’t get much interest from P5 programs when the transfer was being floated around. Don’t get me wrong. Sometimes a guy just refuses to be told he’s not this or that and beats the system but it’s not going to be easy for a six footer regardless of how well he chuncks the rock......

Fine is 5'9" - 185lbs. That is why he won't get his shot at the NFL.

He will get a shot, as a late round draftee or a UFA. What he does with it will decide. But yes, the deck is stacked against him. Flutie had to go to Canada before he got a shot.

Most likely, IMO, CFL.

(08-17-2019 09:19 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  If Fine was coveted by the NFL he would not be playing CUSA football this fall. As it is he probably didn’t get much interest from P5 programs when the transfer was being floated around. Don’t get me wrong. Sometimes a guy just refuses to be told he’s not this or that and beats the system but it’s not going to be easy for a six footer regardless of how well he chuncks the rock......

Chad Morris tried to get Fine to transfer to Arkansas

(08-18-2019 08:33 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(08-17-2019 09:19 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  If Fine was coveted by the NFL he would not be playing CUSA football this fall. As it is he probably didn’t get much interest from P5 programs when the transfer was being floated around. Don’t get me wrong. Sometimes a guy just refuses to be told he’s not this or that and beats the system but it’s not going to be easy for a six footer regardless of how well he chuncks the rock......

Chad Morris tried to get Fine to transfer to Arkansas

Like I said.....

After two weeks... What the holy batman with Morgan?? The guy I had as leading the league in efficiency is last after two games!

(09-08-2019 12:54 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  After two weeks... What the holy batman with Morgan?? The guy I had as leading the league in efficiency is last after two games!

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In all fairness he was injured during the WKU game and Wiggins took most of the snaps but up until then he was not very effective.

I actually thought that Robison did an admirable job with defensive linemen in his face for all 8 quarters.

I am happy with where our backup is on that list (#9 Tom Stewart of Rice)

He completed more than 62% and has zero interceptions. That is all I ask.
Wiley Green was also at 60% in Friday’s game (with zero INts) before his injury.

By the way, Green checked out of the hospital yesterday and all the precautionary tests came back negative, so that’s the best news of all really. No idea when/if he’ll be looking to suiting up but he’s been cleared back to the Rice team medical staff.

(08-15-2019 12:22 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  IMO, the list in the OP reflects little bearing of anyone who has watched C-USA. Rather than give my view on right now I'm going to fast forward and predict where these QB's will finish in passing efficiency...

1. James Morgan (-8)
2. Mason Fine (-4)
3. Jack Abraham (-1)
4. Tyler Johnston III (+1)
5. Chris Robison (Nailed it)
6. Isaiah Green (-4)
7. Asher O'hara* (Nailed it)
8. J'Mar Smith (+6)
9. Steven Duncan* (lost job to Ty Storey four games into season)
10. Chris Reynolds* (+9)

Asterisk indicates my projected starter. No point going past the top 10.

I thought it would be interesting to go back and look at this thread. That PFF site hasn't updated since week 12, but since I believe it's a jacked up rating anyway I will compare using good ole fashioned efficiency rating. That said, I don't like the passing efficiency rating either, because it rewards QB's who don't throw as much but still benefit from TD passes when their teams throw in the red zone and doesn't penalize those QB's enough for the interceptions they throw. Which is why I felt like Morgan would be #1. Man, did he have a bad year.

Three things stand out. 1) I still don't know what the heck happened with Morgan's game. He was lights out last year. 2) Chris Reynolds not only won the job but obviously took to Healy's offense quite well. 3) Smith might have been worthy of that pre-season ranking after all.

Asher O'Hara led the league in total offense with nearly 4000 yards and is at least something to build on for next year (if we can find a defense). He out rushed all but three running backs and still threw for over 2700 yards. Using ESPN's QBR rating Reynolds and O'hara were the two best QBs, but QBR also takes rushing into account which is what helped both of them.

IMO, Smith was the best QB in the league this year.

(12-01-2019 10:31 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 12:22 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  IMO, the list in the OP reflects little bearing of anyone who has watched C-USA. Rather than give my view on right now I'm going to fast forward and predict where these QB's will finish in passing efficiency...

1. James Morgan (-8)
2. Mason Fine (-4)
3. Jack Abraham (-1)
4. Tyler Johnston III (+1)
5. Chris Robison (Nailed it)
6. Isaiah Green (-4)
7. Asher O'hara* (Nailed it)
8. J'Mar Smith (+6)
9. Steven Duncan* (lost job to Ty Storey four games into season)
10. Chris Reynolds* (+9)

Asterisk indicates my projected starter. No point going past the top 10.

I thought it would be interesting to go back and look at this thread. That PFF site hasn't updated since week 12, but since I believe it's a jacked up rating anyway I will compare using good ole fashioned efficiency rating. That said, I don't like the passing efficiency rating either, because it rewards QB's who don't throw as much but still benefit from TD passes when their teams throw in the red zone and doesn't penalize those QB's enough for the interceptions they throw. Which is why I felt like Morgan would be #1. Man, did he have a bad year.

Three things stand out. 1) I still don't know what the heck happened with Morgan's game. He was lights out last year. 2) Chris Reynolds not only won the job but obviously took to Healy's offense quite well. 3) Smith might have been worthy of that pre-season ranking after all.

Asher O'Hara led the league in total offense with nearly 4000 yards and is at least something to build on for next year (if we can find a defense). He out rushed all but three running backs and still threw for over 2300 yards. Using ESPN's QBR rating Reynolds and O'hara were the two best QBs, but QBR also takes rushing into account which is what helped both of them.

IMO, Smith was the best QB in the league this year.

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Duncan didn't exactly lose his job to Storey, that is a misnomer. Duncan broke his foot. Glad it worked out that way because Storey was a much better game manager.
There was not a prolific QB this year in CUSA, some good ones though.

Bad finish for Abraham.

(12-01-2019 10:48 AM)USM@FTL Wrote:  Bad finish for Abraham.

Yeah, half way through season I would have had him #1 by a long shot.

There is no way rhat Green isn't the worst quarterback in the entire FBS

(12-01-2019 10:31 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 12:22 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  IMO, the list in the OP reflects little bearing of anyone who has watched C-USA. Rather than give my view on right now I'm going to fast forward and predict where these QB's will finish in passing efficiency...

1. James Morgan (-8)
2. Mason Fine (-4)
3. Jack Abraham (-1)
4. Tyler Johnston III (+1)
5. Chris Robison (Nailed it)
6. Isaiah Green (-4)
7. Asher O'hara* (Nailed it)
8. J'Mar Smith (+6)
9. Steven Duncan* (lost job to Ty Storey four games into season)
10. Chris Reynolds* (+9)

Asterisk indicates my projected starter. No point going past the top 10.

I thought it would be interesting to go back and look at this thread. That PFF site hasn't updated since week 12, but since I believe it's a jacked up rating anyway I will compare using good ole fashioned efficiency rating. That said, I don't like the passing efficiency rating either, because it rewards QB's who don't throw as much but still benefit from TD passes when their teams throw in the red zone and doesn't penalize those QB's enough for the interceptions they throw. Which is why I felt like Morgan would be #1. Man, did he have a bad year.

Three things stand out. 1) I still don't know what the heck happened with Morgan's game. He was lights out last year. 2) Chris Reynolds not only won the job but obviously took to Healy's offense quite well. 3) Smith might have been worthy of that pre-season ranking after all.

Asher O'Hara led the league in total offense with nearly 4000 yards and is at least something to build on for next year (if we can find a defense). He out rushed all but three running backs and still threw for over 2700 yards. Using ESPN's QBR rating Reynolds and O'hara were the two best QBs, but QBR also takes rushing into account which is what helped both of them.

IMO, Smith was the best QB in the league this year.

Yeah you really undervalued experience and that is most important for progress with a college QB.
JMar was RS Senior with one the most starts in FBS beside Fine, that alone made him top 3 in CUSA (thats what I said preseason)

How did I undervalue experience? The top two guys I had were highly experienced seniors.

Even with all that experience, Smith had proven to be a middle of the pack QB and I felt like he regressed some last year. He was definitely the toughest case to pick. But he clearly had his best year this season.

(12-01-2019 12:56 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  How did I undervalue experience? The top two guys I had were highly experienced seniors.

Even with all that experience, Smith had proven to be a middle of the pack QB and I felt like he regressed some last year. He was definitely the toughest case to pick. But he clearly had his best year this season.

You picked CUSA 7 QB’s before Smith, all had less experience(except Fine) and nowhere near the stats of JMar. He threw for 3,000 yards in 2017 and 2018. 16 TD and 5 picks in 2017. How is that middle of the pack for CUSA? On top of that he has strongest arm in CUSA.

Maybe you were listening to clueless fans on message board talking about JMar but he was nowhere near 8th in CUSA even in preseason.

(12-01-2019 04:58 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 12:56 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  How did I undervalue experience? The top two guys I had were highly experienced seniors.

Even with all that experience, Smith had proven to be a middle of the pack QB and I felt like he regressed some last year. He was definitely the toughest case to pick. But he clearly had his best year this season.

You picked CUSA 7 QB’s before Smith, all had less experience(except Fine) and nowhere near the stats of JMar. He threw for 3,000 yards in 2017 and 2018. 16 TD and 5 picks in 2017. How is that middle of the pack for CUSA? On top of that he has strongest arm in CUSA.

Maybe you were listening to clueless fans on message board talking about JMar but he was nowhere near 8th in CUSA even in preseason.

How? I'm more than happy to answer that question. Thank you for the opportunity. Smith's ratings prior to this season...
2017: 10th
2018: 9th

I actually gave him more credit than he deserved because he wasn't even middle but toward the bottom. I also actually afforded him a higher spot than he had ever achieved. I made it very clear back at the beginning of the season that I was making my predictions based on passer efficiency rating. Smith - IMO - outperformed everyone's expectations and far exceeded anything he had done previously both in terms of efficiency and leading the offense.

(12-01-2019 10:50 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 10:48 AM)USM@FTL Wrote:  Bad finish for Abraham.

Yeah, half way through season I would have had him #1 by a long shot.

He never was the same after the La Tech loss.

(12-01-2019 05:05 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 04:58 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 12:56 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  How did I undervalue experience? The top two guys I had were highly experienced seniors.

Even with all that experience, Smith had proven to be a middle of the pack QB and I felt like he regressed some last year. He was definitely the toughest case to pick. But he clearly had his best year this season.

You picked CUSA 7 QB’s before Smith, all had less experience(except Fine) and nowhere near the stats of JMar. He threw for 3,000 yards in 2017 and 2018. 16 TD and 5 picks in 2017. How is that middle of the pack for CUSA? On top of that he has strongest arm in CUSA.

Maybe you were listening to clueless fans on message board talking about JMar but he was nowhere near 8th in CUSA even in preseason.

How? I'm more than happy to answer that question. Thank you for the opportunity. Smith's ratings prior to this season...
2017: 10th
2018: 9th

I actually gave him more credit than he deserved because he wasn't even middle but toward the bottom. I also actually afforded him a higher spot than he had ever achieved. I made it very clear back at the beginning of the season that I was making my predictions based on passer efficiency rating. Smith - IMO - outperformed everyone's expectations and far exceeded anything he had done previously both in terms of efficiency and leading the offense.

Lets see:

7th Asher Ohara - 114 yds 0 TD 1 Int
JMar - 6,546 yards 33 TDs 16 INT

6th Isiah Green - 2459 yds 15 TD 10 INT
JMar - 6,546 yards 33 TDs 16 INT

5th Chris Robinson - 2533 yds 12 TD 12 INT
JMar - 6,546 yards 33 TDs 16 INT

4th Tyler Johnston III - 1323 yds 11 TD 9 INT
JMar - 6,546 yards 33 TDs 16 INT

3rd Jack Abraham - 2347 yds 15 TD 10 INT
JMar - 6,546 yards 33 TDs 16 INT

Do you see how ridiculous your preseason ratings were? None of those QB’s come anywhere close to JMar.

Nice try though