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(11-27-2019 12:09 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(11-27-2019 11:54 AM)imfsff3 Wrote:  Not really sure what it means, but if you look at coacheshotseat.com you'll see several CUSA and Sunbelt coaches who are in the Top 30 on the Hot Seat. Bottom dwellers all.
Now as for BW in particular. It seems most people agree that he needs to be replaced. BUT, and it's a big BUT, is can ODU afford it? If BW goes, most likely Stinespring and Blackwell leave also. In addition, does the 1 QB that seems to have real potential transfer? My thought is (gasp!) that with what as good as the team looks like for next year, give him 1 last opportunity for redemption. That might be the only hope for a decent year. If things go south early next year, fire mid-season and get an early jump on the hiring train.

As I have stated for years, Bobby's personnel judgement is questionable, bordering on the bizarre.
That it took 10 years to properly address the defense is alone enough for me.

The initial hiring of Bill Dee, and subsequent promotion to DC.
His sticking with Nagy far too long.
His inability to address problematic offensive line issues by hiring a dedicated FBS OL coach early on.
Sticking with Brian Scott, and subsequent adding the OL to his responsibilities.

I don't believe that Bobby will magically change his stripes.
Indeed I am not even convinced that the Stinespring and/or Blackwell hires were Bobby's choice. I believe they were "forced" on him.

I hope that the above bolded is true. I would stink to lose Blackwell, especially. He's helped to make a big difference with the defense in one season. Imagine what he can accomplish with a few years of his own recruits.

There are plenty of Blackwells out there. You can't make a head coaching investment based on keeping a first year DC that took one of the worst defenses in the country to an average defense.

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(11-27-2019 11:34 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  There are plenty of Blackwells out there. You can't make a head coaching investment based on keeping a first year DC that took one of the worst defenses in the country to an average defense.

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Next Year on the Lion's Den: WhY iS oUr DeFeNsE sO bAd?

Blackwell did wonders with a D that was recruited by others. Jumping from 117 to Top 50 is nothing to sneeze at.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...-monarchs/

And if Stinespring is responsible for this recruiting class, then, yeah, put me in the camp that wants both back (but I'll also expect continued improvement).

(11-28-2019 09:35 AM)Grommet Wrote:  

(11-27-2019 11:34 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  There are plenty of Blackwells out there. You can't make a head coaching investment based on keeping a first year DC that took one of the worst defenses in the country to an average defense.

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Next Year on the Lion's Den: WhY iS oUr DeFeNsE sO bAd?

Blackwell did wonders with a D that was recruited by others. Jumping from 117 to Top 50 is nothing to sneeze at.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...-monarchs/

And if Stinespring is responsible for this recruiting class, then, yeah, put me in the camp that wants both back (but I'll also expect continued improvement).

That's great as long as you are willing to accept a worse HC because nobody worth their salt is going to take a job where they are told they can't hire the assistants they want... And you love dinosaur offense.

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True. The next HC can interview existing staff and decide who if anyone he wants to keep. But no one is going to take the job unless they get to pick their own staff.

While i agree he has good PR skills and has general likeability he was and is a terrible coach. I can't wait for this guy to be out of ODU and take his band of nincompoops with him. He is a not a FBS quality coach and shouldn't have been here this longer period. If Major donors are responsible for keeping this **** head in this position this long then they aren't making a sound argument with their donations. I hope who ever is pushing buttons come to their senses and do the necessary and let these ****ups go. I guess we will know soon.

(11-27-2019 11:34 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  There are plenty of Blackwells out there. You can't make a head coaching investment based on keeping a first year DC that took one of the worst defenses in the country to an average defense.

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We arent even an average defense but Blackwell has def improved it from last year. But hes not good enough that we would risk a HC hire over. And if he was that good (hes not), he would be gone next year.

(11-28-2019 03:16 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  While i agree he has good PR skills and has general likeability he was and is a terrible coach. I can't wait for this guy to be out of ODU and take his band of nincompoops with him. He is a not a FBS quality coach and shouldn't have been here this longer period. If Major donors are responsible for keeping this **** head in this position this long then they aren't making a sound argument with their donations. I hope who ever is pushing buttons come to their senses and do the necessary and let these ****ups go. I guess we will know soon.

The reason BW is still here and stands a 50/50 chance of being back next year is President Broderick. The decision to keep him or let him go all boils down to one man.BW has never answered to Selig...he goes straight to Broderick...I have no clue whether or not BW will be retained...and you know what...neither does Wood Selig.

(11-29-2019 07:37 AM)blewbyu Wrote:  

(11-28-2019 03:16 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  While i agree he has good PR skills and has general likeability he was and is a terrible coach. I can't wait for this guy to be out of ODU and take his band of nincompoops with him. He is a not a FBS quality coach and shouldn't have been here this longer period. If Major donors are responsible for keeping this **** head in this position this long then they aren't making a sound argument with their donations. I hope who ever is pushing buttons come to their senses and do the necessary and let these ****ups go. I guess we will know soon.

The reason BW is still here and stands a 50/50 chance of being back next year is President Broderick. The decision to keep him or let him go all boils down to one man.BW has never answered to Selig...he goes straight to Broderick...I have no clue whether or not BW will be retained...and you know what...neither does Wood Selig.

I keep hearing different stories from people that claim to be in the know but i am not sure what to believe. Three different narratives that i've heard are.

1. BW is very thick with WS and JB and their families and thus have a longer leash. (If this is true then its disturbing not only for athletics but in general since the core admin has placed their personal/professional relationships over their duty/responsibility for ODU imho should always take first place over anything else)

2. WS/JB has the least say in all of this and Major donors are pulling the strings. If true then **** the major donors and their donations because their money isn't getting jack done. Also if WS/JB are rendered useless then why haven't they quit? did they figure that by being in good graces of Major donors and keeping this clown show going they can collect their paycheck and not bother what an average ODU fan has to say? I don't know i am wondering why anybody would take a job that doesn't let them render their duties.

3. What you just said, BW is directly reporting to JB and WS is merely a spectator. If JB is really letting this happen then he is not only doing his job but hindering others and thus should be canned immediately and we should go find a good replacement.

I am not sure what to believe but one thing is sure. This amount of suck has to have a shade and it will come out sooner or later.

If Wood doesn’t let BW go, I imagine Wood will wind up going down with Bobby at some point. He’d be making the same mistake Bobby did, by not firing his buddies when he needed to.

Id like to see all of them gone. Assistants, Wilder, Lil' Woody, and Broderick. Time to start over.

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(11-29-2019 08:12 AM)monarx Wrote:  If Wood doesn’t let BW go, I imagine Wood will wind up going down with Bobby at some point. He’d be making the same mistake Bobby did, by not firing his buddies when he needed to.

Very close to that now! When JB Ballard stadium is about 1/4 filled for games heads will roll. Especially now with the new stadium! Money talks, friendship walks! If you want to get rid of BW & WS don't renew your season tickets. Buying the tickets and not showing up for the games doesn't work. They have your money and that is all that matters.

One reason the defense is better is because we slowed the game down so much. Gives the D more rest, but also there are a lot less plays on both sides of the ball. Less plays you give up less yards. I for one didn't enjoy the slow game. I'm hoping we don't keep an assistance from one of the worst teams in college. We wouldn't hire a coordinator as HC from a team that was as bad as we are, so why promote one of ours?

(11-29-2019 08:12 AM)monarx Wrote:  If Wood doesn’t let BW go, I imagine Wood will wind up going down with Bobby at some point. He’d be making the same mistake Bobby did, by not firing his buddies when he needed to.

You assume Wood can make that choice.

(11-29-2019 09:47 AM)BigBlueBobby Wrote:  

(11-29-2019 08:12 AM)monarx Wrote:  If Wood doesn’t let BW go, I imagine Wood will wind up going down with Bobby at some point. He’d be making the same mistake Bobby did, by not firing his buddies when he needed to.

Very close to that now! When JB Ballard stadium is about 1/4 filled for games heads will roll. Especially now with the new stadium! Money talks, friendship walks! If you want to get rid of BW & WS don't renew your season tickets. Buying the tickets and not showing up for the games doesn't work. They have your money and that is all that matters.

BINGO!

You got to know when to hold them, Know when to fold them, know when to walk away and know when to run. It is time to fold them.

(11-29-2019 04:07 PM)odu83alumni Wrote:  You got to know when to hold them, Know when to fold them, know when to walk away and know when to run. It is time to fold them.

No, time to run away! We the fans need to control this situation.

(11-30-2019 07:34 AM)BigBlueBobby Wrote:  

(11-29-2019 04:07 PM)odu83alumni Wrote:  You got to know when to hold them, Know when to fold them, know when to walk away and know when to run. It is time to fold them.

No, time to run away! We the fans need to control this situation.

Pretty sure that was for JB/WS regarding Wilder.

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(11-30-2019 07:34 AM)BigBlueBobby Wrote:  

(11-29-2019 04:07 PM)odu83alumni Wrote:  You got to know when to hold them, Know when to fold them, know when to walk away and know when to run. It is time to fold them.

No, time to run away! We the fans need to control this situation.

Fans are in a catch 22, only way we can make a difference is to not buy tickets, which is not supporting our team. Lose lose I’d say.....sad times.

I believe I’m buying season tickets again next year, but I’m not certain..... first time it’s been like that


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(11-30-2019 08:58 AM)DWING Wrote:  

(11-30-2019 07:34 AM)BigBlueBobby Wrote:  

(11-29-2019 04:07 PM)odu83alumni Wrote:  You got to know when to hold them, Know when to fold them, know when to walk away and know when to run. It is time to fold them.

No, time to run away! We the fans need to control this situation.

Fans are in a catch 22, only way we can make a difference is to not buy tickets, which is not supporting our team. Lose lose I’d say.....sad times.

I believe I’m buying season tickets again next year, but I’m not certain..... first time it’s been like that


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Not supporting the team is a good way to get some retread head coach for sure.