(11-24-2019 08:14 PM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  

(11-23-2019 10:41 PM)Sideshow2313 Wrote:  I doubt he will be fired. Buyout too much, which would delay USF's IPF. His buyout is 5 million which is too much to fire a coach who is above 500.

$5 Million is just a Fixed Opportunity Cost in the mind of a professional Economist or Financier trying to run a business. It's already spent, it's already gone.

You can keep pouring good money after bad money, or just swallow your lumps and invest in a new product that will generate a Net Present Value greater than $5M.

Memphis literally did it overnight by firing Tubby Smith and hiring Penny Hardaway. We were below 6,000 average attendance mandated by the Memphis Grizzlies to play in the FedEx Forum and paying them $800,000 for falling below their minimum average attendance. Now we're back to 16,000+ crowds. Tubby's Buyout problem solved in one season. It was a Fixed Opportunity Cost to sweep away and move on to run a Financially successful business.

Agree, USF's attendance is plummeting under under Strong. USF can't afford not to fire him or the fan base will revolt.

(11-24-2019 07:55 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 06:29 PM)Sellular1 Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 02:00 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(11-23-2019 10:41 PM)Sideshow2313 Wrote:  I doubt he will be fired. Buyout too much, which would delay USF's IPF. His buyout is 5 million which is too much to fire a coach who is above 500.

He will be fired guaranteed, after USF is blown out by UCF. USF will have no choice at that point.

I personally, hope they bring back Taggart. A view that isn't shared by most USF fans.

Tags blows. I’d take Skippy back before Slick Willie

You can't be serious. This has to be a joke. I'm going to assume you made a joke. Because, Skip absolutely destroyed USF football. Willie cam in and cleaned up his mess within 2-3 years. Or maybe you forgot that.

I was not serious, I don’t want either of them back. Even though Skippy is 8-2 this season.

(11-24-2019 08:23 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 08:14 PM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  

(11-23-2019 10:41 PM)Sideshow2313 Wrote:  I doubt he will be fired. Buyout too much, which would delay USF's IPF. His buyout is 5 million which is too much to fire a coach who is above 500.

$5 Million is just a Fixed Opportunity Cost in the mind of a professional Economist or Financier trying to run a business. It's already spent, it's already gone.

You can keep pouring good money after bad money, or just swallow your lumps and invest in a new product that will generate a Net Present Value greater than $5M.

Memphis literally did it overnight by firing Tubby Smith and hiring Penny Hardaway. We were below 6,000 average attendance mandated by the Memphis Grizzlies to play in the FedEx Forum and paying them $800,000 for falling below their minimum average attendance. Now we're back to 16,000+ crowds. Tubby's Buyout problem solved in one season. It was a Fixed Opportunity Cost to sweep away and move on to run a Financially successful business.

Agree, USF's attendance is plummeting under under Strong. USF can't afford not to fire him or the fan base will revolt.

I personally wouldn't worry about Strong. USF has the money if they want it.
I still just can't get over how much Charlie Strong reminds me of Larry Porter at Memphis. He just looks completely befuddled out there on the Sideline.

(11-24-2019 06:15 PM)UCF_SystemsEng Wrote:  You should look no further than the the head coach in C-USA that has been to 6 straight bowls counting this year, has won 2 division titles in past 5 years and may not break your bank account for the IPF because I think he is still on your payroll.


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(11-24-2019 08:23 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 08:14 PM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  

(11-23-2019 10:41 PM)Sideshow2313 Wrote:  I doubt he will be fired. Buyout too much, which would delay USF's IPF. His buyout is 5 million which is too much to fire a coach who is above 500.

$5 Million is just a Fixed Opportunity Cost in the mind of a professional Economist or Financier trying to run a business. It's already spent, it's already gone.

You can keep pouring good money after bad money, or just swallow your lumps and invest in a new product that will generate a Net Present Value greater than $5M.

Memphis literally did it overnight by firing Tubby Smith and hiring Penny Hardaway. We were below 6,000 average attendance mandated by the Memphis Grizzlies to play in the FedEx Forum and paying them $800,000 for falling below their minimum average attendance. Now we're back to 16,000+ crowds. Tubby's Buyout problem solved in one season. It was a Fixed Opportunity Cost to sweep away and move on to run a Financially successful business.

Agree, USF's attendance is plummeting under under Strong. USF can't afford not to fire him or the fan base will revolt.

I don't think five or six of us with torches and pitchforks is going to scare USF administration at all...

Well, since we arent paying any ex coaches at this point, making the payments to fire Strong are very doable.... but if you want a bit of irony.... we actually wont pay much to fire him.

Strong is owed $2.6 million next year and $2.7 the year after and there is an offset clause. So we have to pay $5.3 million minuse the offset. He will probably be hired as an SEC coordinator fairly quickly. Why, I dont know but there are many who believe he is a defensive genius. I dont see it, but he wont be unemployed long.

Then the Irony... Texas signed a 3 game deal with USF but then cancelled it last year. So, USF now gets $1.9 million for going to Texas next year and playing just the 1 game. So Texas once again will be helping us pay Strong buyout.

Then, when Taggart left, Oregon paid USF a $1.7 million buyout.

So between Texas and Oregon, we have $3.6 million... and then however much the offset will be. If I had to guess, he will get at least half a million or higher for any job he takes. So on the worst end, we have to pay $1.7 million and could end up paying nothing. All we need is for him to get hired at least $850K per year on his next two years and it costs us nothing to fire him.

What a Florida heavy carousel it could be. FSU looking for a coach already. Miami probably discussing if they should Fire Diaz after the FIU loss.

If I’m USF, I don’t want to be looking for a coach with Florida ties and can recruit down here at the same time Miami and FSU are. I’d hold my cards till you see what happens at Miami.


Lol Tampa media asked him about the rumor.

https://twitter.com/tbtimes_bulls/status...01248?s=21

(11-25-2019 01:42 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  What a Florida heavy carousel it could be. FSU looking for a coach already. Miami probably discussing if they should Fire Diaz after the FIU loss.

If I’m USF, I don’t want to be looking for a coach with Florida ties and can recruit down here at the same time Miami and FSU are. I’d hold my cards till you see what happens at Miami.


Lol Tampa media asked him about the rumor.

https://twitter.com/tbtimes_bulls/status...01248?s=21

I heard an interesting name that some donors brought up.... Some donors from south florida area.... ones that like a defensive minded coach. Someone with deep ties to the state, who recruits well in the south florida area. Someone who has helped develop a strong unit at another florida school.... Someone who was run off a bit quick at another Florida school, but many believe still has what it takes.... is that enough hints???

(11-25-2019 01:50 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(11-25-2019 01:42 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  What a Florida heavy carousel it could be. FSU looking for a coach already. Miami probably discussing if they should Fire Diaz after the FIU loss.

If I’m USF, I don’t want to be looking for a coach with Florida ties and can recruit down here at the same time Miami and FSU are. I’d hold my cards till you see what happens at Miami.


Lol Tampa media asked him about the rumor.

https://twitter.com/tbtimes_bulls/status...01248?s=21

I heard an interesting name that some donors brought up.... Some donors from south florida area.... ones that like a defensive minded coach. Someone with deep ties to the state, who recruits well in the south florida area. Someone who has helped develop a strong unit at another florida school.... Someone who was run off a bit quick at another Florida school, but many believe still has what it takes.... is that enough hints???

So you're going to hire Randy Shannon? I'm not sure I think of Taggart as "defensive minded," which is what you otherwise suggest there. But it's got to be one or the other based on that description. Or Leavitt, though he wasn't really "run off a bit quick."

(11-25-2019 02:00 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(11-25-2019 01:50 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(11-25-2019 01:42 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  What a Florida heavy carousel it could be. FSU looking for a coach already. Miami probably discussing if they should Fire Diaz after the FIU loss.

If I’m USF, I don’t want to be looking for a coach with Florida ties and can recruit down here at the same time Miami and FSU are. I’d hold my cards till you see what happens at Miami.


Lol Tampa media asked him about the rumor.

https://twitter.com/tbtimes_bulls/status...01248?s=21

I heard an interesting name that some donors brought up.... Some donors from south florida area.... ones that like a defensive minded coach. Someone with deep ties to the state, who recruits well in the south florida area. Someone who has helped develop a strong unit at another florida school.... Someone who was run off a bit quick at another Florida school, but many believe still has what it takes.... is that enough hints???

So you're going to hire Randy Shannon?

If Strong is indeed fired, I would expect his name to come up.

USF is REALLY big about hiring coaches who are APR masters and run a clean program. Randy did that at one of the hardest schools to be clean. He got through the entire investigation without ANY indication he did anything wrong.

then, if you look at his record, he won there. Just not up to the level they wanted, and lets be honest... nobody in the past 20 years has really done well at Miami.... but he had a damn fine defensive line at UF and honestly, UCFs strongest aspect is their D.
He REALLY does well on making certain all the fundamentals are down. His players tackle well, play their assignments well and have phenominal gap coverage.

Some question if hes the best guy to lead a program, but not many question his ability as a DC.... so, ya, I think he gets looked at really hard.

I personally like the guy and he used to pull in premier players out of Miami. If we got the right OC and DC with him, held on to King as our QB coach and then brought in some USF alumni who have coaching experience, I think we could turn this around.

I think Shannon as HC and maybe Larry Scott as OC, keep Shaun King and move him to QB coach and bring Blackwell in to coach RBs, it could be a good combination. Even heard that the legend himself Matt Grothe is interested in coming to work at USF. Kid is a legend and Id love to see him on the sidelines.

lane kiffin should be the next HC. he took over a garbage team and made them pretty good really quick for their conference.

also, where would strong end up?

(11-25-2019 02:07 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I think Shannon as HC and maybe Larry Scott as OC, keep Shaun King and move him to QB coach and bring Blackwell in to coach RBs, it could be a good combination. Even heard that the legend himself Matt Grothe is interested in coming to work at USF. Kid is a legend and Id love to see him on the sidelines.

Why would Blackwell leave UH as the Co-OC/QB coach to be the USF RB coach?

If he is going to leave one dumpster fire for another....I would imagine he would want to be the HC or just stay where he is.

(11-25-2019 01:38 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Strong is owed $2.6 million next year and $2.7 the year after and there is an offset clause. So we have to pay $5.3 million minuse the offset. He will probably be hired as an SEC coordinator fairly quickly. Why, I dont know but there are many who believe he is a defensive genius. I dont see it, but he wont be unemployed long.

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So between Texas and Oregon, we have $3.6 million... and then however much the offset will be. If I had to guess, he will get at least half a million or higher for any job he takes. So on the worst end, we have to pay $1.7 million and could end up paying nothing. All we need is for him to get hired at least $850K per year on his next two years and it costs us nothing to fire him.

USF took advantage of Charlie's offset clause to pay him virtually nothing for two years, ensuring that Texas covered the bulk of his salary. You can bet the house on the fact that whoever hires him next would follow that same road map, and there's not a thing USF would be able to do about it.

USFFan

(11-25-2019 02:36 PM)The Brown Bull Wrote:  

(11-25-2019 02:07 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I think Shannon as HC and maybe Larry Scott as OC, keep Shaun King and move him to QB coach and bring Blackwell in to coach RBs, it could be a good combination. Even heard that the legend himself Matt Grothe is interested in coming to work at USF. Kid is a legend and Id love to see him on the sidelines.

Why would Blackwell leave UH as the Co-OC/QB coach to be the USF RB coach?

If he is going to leave one dumpster fire for another....I would imagine he would want to be the HC or just stay where he is.

Lol.

Let mt work it out. I approve. Lol

USF Plan to Fire Charlie Strong

1. Commit a minor NCAA infraction, say no classes for athletes, or pay for a family’s move to another city.
2. Fire Strong.
3. Don’t pay him because there was an infraction under his watch.

Worked for UConn...

(11-25-2019 02:07 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(11-25-2019 02:00 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(11-25-2019 01:50 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(11-25-2019 01:42 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  What a Florida heavy carousel it could be. FSU looking for a coach already. Miami probably discussing if they should Fire Diaz after the FIU loss.

If I’m USF, I don’t want to be looking for a coach with Florida ties and can recruit down here at the same time Miami and FSU are. I’d hold my cards till you see what happens at Miami.


Lol Tampa media asked him about the rumor.

https://twitter.com/tbtimes_bulls/status...01248?s=21

I heard an interesting name that some donors brought up.... Some donors from south florida area.... ones that like a defensive minded coach. Someone with deep ties to the state, who recruits well in the south florida area. Someone who has helped develop a strong unit at another florida school.... Someone who was run off a bit quick at another Florida school, but many believe still has what it takes.... is that enough hints???

So you're going to hire Randy Shannon?

If Strong is indeed fired, I would expect his name to come up.

USF is REALLY big about hiring coaches who are APR masters and run a clean program. Randy did that at one of the hardest schools to be clean. He got through the entire investigation without ANY indication he did anything wrong.

then, if you look at his record, he won there. Just not up to the level they wanted, and lets be honest... nobody in the past 20 years has really done well at Miami.... but he had a damn fine defensive line at UF and honestly, UCFs strongest aspect is their D.
He REALLY does well on making certain all the fundamentals are down. His players tackle well, play their assignments well and have phenominal gap coverage.

Some question if hes the best guy to lead a program, but not many question his ability as a DC.... so, ya, I think he gets looked at really hard.

I personally like the guy and he used to pull in premier players out of Miami. If we got the right OC and DC with him, held on to King as our QB coach and then brought in some USF alumni who have coaching experience, I think we could turn this around.

I think Shannon as HC and maybe Larry Scott as OC, keep Shaun King and move him to QB coach and bring Blackwell in to coach RBs, it could be a good combination. Even heard that the legend himself Matt Grothe is interested in coming to work at USF. Kid is a legend and Id love to see him on the sidelines.

Randy Shannon, no thank you. If we're going the retread route, I'd rather have Willie Taggart. He had things absolutely rolling on offense and overall. He handed the keys off to Strong, who promptly ran it into a ditch. And before you say it was all on Quinton Flowers and Marlon Mack, guess who recruited Flowers and Mack...Willie Taggart. And Tags would find us another QF and MM.

USFFan

(11-25-2019 05:27 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(11-25-2019 02:07 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(11-25-2019 02:00 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(11-25-2019 01:50 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(11-25-2019 01:42 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  What a Florida heavy carousel it could be. FSU looking for a coach already. Miami probably discussing if they should Fire Diaz after the FIU loss.

If I’m USF, I don’t want to be looking for a coach with Florida ties and can recruit down here at the same time Miami and FSU are. I’d hold my cards till you see what happens at Miami.


Lol Tampa media asked him about the rumor.

https://twitter.com/tbtimes_bulls/status...01248?s=21

I heard an interesting name that some donors brought up.... Some donors from south florida area.... ones that like a defensive minded coach. Someone with deep ties to the state, who recruits well in the south florida area. Someone who has helped develop a strong unit at another florida school.... Someone who was run off a bit quick at another Florida school, but many believe still has what it takes.... is that enough hints???

So you're going to hire Randy Shannon?

If Strong is indeed fired, I would expect his name to come up.

USF is REALLY big about hiring coaches who are APR masters and run a clean program. Randy did that at one of the hardest schools to be clean. He got through the entire investigation without ANY indication he did anything wrong.

then, if you look at his record, he won there. Just not up to the level they wanted, and lets be honest... nobody in the past 20 years has really done well at Miami.... but he had a damn fine defensive line at UF and honestly, UCFs strongest aspect is their D.
He REALLY does well on making certain all the fundamentals are down. His players tackle well, play their assignments well and have phenominal gap coverage.

Some question if hes the best guy to lead a program, but not many question his ability as a DC.... so, ya, I think he gets looked at really hard.

I personally like the guy and he used to pull in premier players out of Miami. If we got the right OC and DC with him, held on to King as our QB coach and then brought in some USF alumni who have coaching experience, I think we could turn this around.

I think Shannon as HC and maybe Larry Scott as OC, keep Shaun King and move him to QB coach and bring Blackwell in to coach RBs, it could be a good combination. Even heard that the legend himself Matt Grothe is interested in coming to work at USF. Kid is a legend and Id love to see him on the sidelines.

Randy Shannon, no thank you. If we're going the retread route, I'd rather have Willie Taggart. He had things absolutely rolling on offense and overall. He handed the keys off to Strong, who promptly ran it into a ditch. And before you say it was all on Quinton Flowers and Marlon Mack, guess who recruited Flowers and Mack...Willie Taggart. And Tags would find us another QF and MM.

Why couldn’t he find FSU a QF or MM?

(11-25-2019 06:10 PM)usffan Wrote:  

USFFan

Would love to see Grothe coaching in some capacity on the sidelines for USF. He would fix the loser culture in 5 mins.

(11-25-2019 06:32 PM)Sellular1 Wrote:  

(11-25-2019 05:27 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(11-25-2019 02:07 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(11-25-2019 02:00 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(11-25-2019 01:50 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I heard an interesting name that some donors brought up.... Some donors from south florida area.... ones that like a defensive minded coach. Someone with deep ties to the state, who recruits well in the south florida area. Someone who has helped develop a strong unit at another florida school.... Someone who was run off a bit quick at another Florida school, but many believe still has what it takes.... is that enough hints???

So you're going to hire Randy Shannon?

If Strong is indeed fired, I would expect his name to come up.

USF is REALLY big about hiring coaches who are APR masters and run a clean program. Randy did that at one of the hardest schools to be clean. He got through the entire investigation without ANY indication he did anything wrong.

then, if you look at his record, he won there. Just not up to the level they wanted, and lets be honest... nobody in the past 20 years has really done well at Miami.... but he had a damn fine defensive line at UF and honestly, UCFs strongest aspect is their D.
He REALLY does well on making certain all the fundamentals are down. His players tackle well, play their assignments well and have phenominal gap coverage.

Some question if hes the best guy to lead a program, but not many question his ability as a DC.... so, ya, I think he gets looked at really hard.

I personally like the guy and he used to pull in premier players out of Miami. If we got the right OC and DC with him, held on to King as our QB coach and then brought in some USF alumni who have coaching experience, I think we could turn this around.

I think Shannon as HC and maybe Larry Scott as OC, keep Shaun King and move him to QB coach and bring Blackwell in to coach RBs, it could be a good combination. Even heard that the legend himself Matt Grothe is interested in coming to work at USF. Kid is a legend and Id love to see him on the sidelines.

Randy Shannon, no thank you. If we're going the retread route, I'd rather have Willie Taggart. He had things absolutely rolling on offense and overall. He handed the keys off to Strong, who promptly ran it into a ditch. And before you say it was all on Quinton Flowers and Marlon Mack, guess who recruited Flowers and Mack...Willie Taggart. And Tags would find us another QF and MM.

Why couldn’t he find FSU a QF or MM?

Because he literally just got there last year