Western Michigan
Central Michigan
Miami
Toledo
Buffalo
Eastern Michigan
Ball St
Ohio
Northern Illinois
Kent St
Bowling Green St
Akron


---Broncos only team that control their own destiny in the West, holding the tiebreaker over the Chippewas, as well as beating the East Champion Redhawks
-------This ranking is how the season overall is going. That's why the Rockets, Bulls, and Eagles slot in next. Both Rockets & Eagles, for example, got off to 3-1 starts, and Bulls have been surging
---Next comes a quad of 4-6 teams. I had no idea how to rank them, truth be told. Which ones will hit the 6 wins? Find out!
----Falcons and Zips bad

Be surprised if Miami does not win the WMU rematch.

(11-17-2019 02:57 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  Be surprised if Miami does not win the WMU rematch.

Could go either way. I think the Redhawks benefit from playing in an easier East. But Broncos haven't looked particularly scary. I think Broncos would be the favorite.

But who knows if they'll get there? Huskies looked pretty damn good to me vs Toledo.

I see you continue to rate Miami lower than their MAC record indicates. You stated that this was based on the entire season, so I guess you are rating Miami lower because of losing at Ohio State, Iowa, and Cincinnati, 3 top 20 teams.

It is not just you that has trouble giving this team credit, of our 9 division 1 games, the only gave Vegas favored us in was the last one against BG.

Miami is a team whose strength is our special teams. Our placekicker, Sam Sloman, has hit 12 out 15 fg's and is 3 for 4 from the 40's and 3 for 4 from the 50's, he has not missed an extra point and 76% of his kickoffs are for touchback. He has the strongest leg in the league, and the strongest leg of any Miami pk ever.

Our punter, Kyle Kramer, is second in the MAC in average at 43 and first in punts downed inside the 20

Our return man, Maurice Thomas, leads the MAC in both punt return and Kickoff return averages.

There are a lot of hidden yards in those special team numbers.

Our defense is second in scoring defense, and we might be first after we play Akron this week.

I think people tend to look at offensive stars and big offensive numbers. That might be why you and others have a hard time appreciating this team.

(11-17-2019 02:59 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 02:57 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  Be surprised if Miami does not win the WMU rematch.

Could go either way. I think the Redhawks benefit from playing in an easier East. But Broncos haven't looked particularly scary. I think Broncos would be the favorite.

But who knows if they'll get there? Huskies looked pretty damn good to me vs Toledo.

I don't think the East is all that much easier, save for Akron. And Miami doesn't benefit from even that difference until they play Akron. Miami is pretty good.

Quote:I don't think the East is all that much easier, save for Akron.

I think Akron & BG are the bottom of the conference. Two "easy teams" guaranteed for East teams.

Other than that, I don't think there's any difference. But that scheduling can really help.

Eastern has a bad record, but they are IMO solidly better than BG. If I had to choose which team to play, it'd be a no-brainer to choose BG.

(11-17-2019 10:28 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:I don't think the East is all that much easier, save for Akron.

I think Akron & BG are the bottom of the conference. Two "easy teams" guaranteed for East teams.

Other than that, I don't think there's any difference. But that scheduling can really help.

Eastern has a bad record, but they are IMO solidly better than BG. If I had to choose which team to play, it'd be a no-brainer to choose BG.

Sure. I was just saying that Miami's presentt record hasn't benefited from playing Akron because they haven't played Akron.

You'd no doubt probably chose to play BG over EMU. (Although Toledo might disagree.)

If there is as team reeling more than the Huskies, its the Rockets. Id probably lower Toledo quite a bit from these rankings but otherwise I think they are good.

(11-17-2019 02:59 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 02:57 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  Be surprised if Miami does not win the WMU rematch.

Could go either way. I think the Redhawks benefit from playing in an easier East. But Broncos haven't looked particularly scary. I think Broncos would be the favorite.

But who knows if they'll get there? Huskies looked pretty damn good to me vs Toledo.

I don't think there is much difference between the east and west this year. The MAC has a few average at best teams at the top, and bad teams below. It's a season of attrition rather than accomplishment. But for playing conference games, the whole league would have bad records. WMU and CMU taking advantage of that.

(11-19-2019 06:19 AM)brovol Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 02:59 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 02:57 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  Be surprised if Miami does not win the WMU rematch.

Could go either way. I think the Redhawks benefit from playing in an easier East. But Broncos haven't looked particularly scary. I think Broncos would be the favorite.

But who knows if they'll get there? Huskies looked pretty damn good to me vs Toledo.

I don't think there is much difference between the east and west this year. The MAC has a few average at best teams at the top, and bad teams below. It's a season of attrition rather than accomplishment. But for playing conference games, the whole league would have bad records. WMU and CMU taking advantage of that.

Might not be much of a difference between East and Westt at the top but there is certainly as big of a disparity as ever from top to bottom. Who is the worst team in the West? Whoever you pick would probably be close to the second or third best team in the East. All the bad teams reside in the East.

(11-17-2019 09:34 PM)DICK Wrote:  Miami is a team whose strength is our special teams. Our placekicker, Sam Sloman, has hit 12 out 15 fg's and is 3 for 4 from the 40's and 3 for 4 from the 50's, he has not missed an extra point and 76% of his kickoffs are for touchback. He has the strongest leg in the league, and the strongest leg of any Miami pk ever.

Ryan Tice strongly disagrees with your assessment.

(11-17-2019 09:34 PM)DICK Wrote:  I see you continue to rate Miami lower than their MAC record indicates. You stated that this was based on the entire season, so I guess you are rating Miami lower because of losing at Ohio State, Iowa, and Cincinnati, 3 top 20 teams.

It is not just you that has trouble giving this team credit, of our 9 division 1 games, the only gave Vegas favored us in was the last one against BG.

Miami is a team whose strength is our special teams. Our placekicker, Sam Sloman, has hit 12 out 15 fg's and is 3 for 4 from the 40's and 3 for 4 from the 50's, he has not missed an extra point and 76% of his kickoffs are for touchback. He has the strongest leg in the league, and the strongest leg of any Miami pk ever.

Our punter, Kyle Kramer, is second in the MAC in average at 43 and first in punts downed inside the 20

Our return man, Maurice Thomas, leads the MAC in both punt return and Kickoff return averages.

There are a lot of hidden yards in those special team numbers.

Our defense is second in scoring defense, and we might be first after we play Akron this week.

I think people tend to look at offensive stars and big offensive numbers. That might be why you and others have a hard time appreciating this team.

Miami is a good MAC team, but I think you are looking into this way too much. Iowa doesn't beat teams by that much, Cincy is a good team but a 23 point loss is not brag-worthy, and I can't tell you the last time an FBS team lost by 71 points....regardless of it being an elite team.

I think everyone in the MAC respects Miami, especially for their schedule, but I would also put them behind CMU and WMU. There is a pretty solid chance they lose to Ball State in my opinion.

(11-19-2019 09:10 AM)george14 Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 09:34 PM)DICK Wrote:  I see you continue to rate Miami lower than their MAC record indicates. You stated that this was based on the entire season, so I guess you are rating Miami lower because of losing at Ohio State, Iowa, and Cincinnati, 3 top 20 teams.

It is not just you that has trouble giving this team credit, of our 9 division 1 games, the only gave Vegas favored us in was the last one against BG.

Miami is a team whose strength is our special teams. Our placekicker, Sam Sloman, has hit 12 out 15 fg's and is 3 for 4 from the 40's and 3 for 4 from the 50's, he has not missed an extra point and 76% of his kickoffs are for touchback. He has the strongest leg in the league, and the strongest leg of any Miami pk ever.

Our punter, Kyle Kramer, is second in the MAC in average at 43 and first in punts downed inside the 20

Our return man, Maurice Thomas, leads the MAC in both punt return and Kickoff return averages.

There are a lot of hidden yards in those special team numbers.

Our defense is second in scoring defense, and we might be first after we play Akron this week.

I think people tend to look at offensive stars and big offensive numbers. That might be why you and others have a hard time appreciating this team.

Miami is a good MAC team, but I think you are looking into this way too much. Iowa doesn't beat teams by that much, Cincy is a good team but a 23 point loss is not brag-worthy, and I can't tell you the last time an FBS team lost by 71 points....regardless of it being an elite team.

I think everyone in the MAC respects Miami, especially for their schedule, but I would also put them behind CMU and WMU. There is a pretty solid chance they lose to Ball State in my opinion.

Didn't CMU lose by 61 to that very same Wisconsin team that OSU beat by 31? Do you honestly think CMU would have fared any better?

(11-19-2019 09:41 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(11-19-2019 09:10 AM)george14 Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 09:34 PM)DICK Wrote:  I see you continue to rate Miami lower than their MAC record indicates. You stated that this was based on the entire season, so I guess you are rating Miami lower because of losing at Ohio State, Iowa, and Cincinnati, 3 top 20 teams.

It is not just you that has trouble giving this team credit, of our 9 division 1 games, the only gave Vegas favored us in was the last one against BG.

Miami is a team whose strength is our special teams. Our placekicker, Sam Sloman, has hit 12 out 15 fg's and is 3 for 4 from the 40's and 3 for 4 from the 50's, he has not missed an extra point and 76% of his kickoffs are for touchback. He has the strongest leg in the league, and the strongest leg of any Miami pk ever.

Our punter, Kyle Kramer, is second in the MAC in average at 43 and first in punts downed inside the 20

Our return man, Maurice Thomas, leads the MAC in both punt return and Kickoff return averages.

There are a lot of hidden yards in those special team numbers.

Our defense is second in scoring defense, and we might be first after we play Akron this week.

I think people tend to look at offensive stars and big offensive numbers. That might be why you and others have a hard time appreciating this team.

Miami is a good MAC team, but I think you are looking into this way too much. Iowa doesn't beat teams by that much, Cincy is a good team but a 23 point loss is not brag-worthy, and I can't tell you the last time an FBS team lost by 71 points....regardless of it being an elite team.

I think everyone in the MAC respects Miami, especially for their schedule, but I would also put them behind CMU and WMU. There is a pretty solid chance they lose to Ball State in my opinion.

Didn't CMU lose by 61 to that very same Wisconsin team that OSU beat by 31? Do you honestly think CMU would have fared any better?

Maybe? CMU beat EMU who beat Ill who beat that Wisconsin team that CMU lost by 61 to.

College football is weird and comparing scores never works. Miami is a tough team but so is CMU (FWIW WMU beat them both by similar margins if you're in to comparing scores lol).

(11-19-2019 11:09 AM)Bronc33 Wrote:  

(11-19-2019 09:41 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(11-19-2019 09:10 AM)george14 Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 09:34 PM)DICK Wrote:  I see you continue to rate Miami lower than their MAC record indicates. You stated that this was based on the entire season, so I guess you are rating Miami lower because of losing at Ohio State, Iowa, and Cincinnati, 3 top 20 teams.

It is not just you that has trouble giving this team credit, of our 9 division 1 games, the only gave Vegas favored us in was the last one against BG.

Miami is a team whose strength is our special teams. Our placekicker, Sam Sloman, has hit 12 out 15 fg's and is 3 for 4 from the 40's and 3 for 4 from the 50's, he has not missed an extra point and 76% of his kickoffs are for touchback. He has the strongest leg in the league, and the strongest leg of any Miami pk ever.

Our punter, Kyle Kramer, is second in the MAC in average at 43 and first in punts downed inside the 20

Our return man, Maurice Thomas, leads the MAC in both punt return and Kickoff return averages.

There are a lot of hidden yards in those special team numbers.

Our defense is second in scoring defense, and we might be first after we play Akron this week.

I think people tend to look at offensive stars and big offensive numbers. That might be why you and others have a hard time appreciating this team.

Miami is a good MAC team, but I think you are looking into this way too much. Iowa doesn't beat teams by that much, Cincy is a good team but a 23 point loss is not brag-worthy, and I can't tell you the last time an FBS team lost by 71 points....regardless of it being an elite team.

I think everyone in the MAC respects Miami, especially for their schedule, but I would also put them behind CMU and WMU. There is a pretty solid chance they lose to Ball State in my opinion.

Didn't CMU lose by 61 to that very same Wisconsin team that OSU beat by 31? Do you honestly think CMU would have fared any better?

Maybe? CMU beat EMU who beat Ill who beat that Wisconsin team that CMU lost by 61 to.

College football is weird and comparing scores never works. Miami is a tough team but so is CMU (FWIW WMU beat them both by similar margins if you're in to comparing scores lol).

I'm not saying which is the better team between CMU & Miami as frankly I'm not certain. Just calling out the flaw in logic calling out Miami losing to OSU by 71 when CMU lost to a significantly lessor talented Wisconsin by 61. You can't just pick and choose what you want to point out because it fits your narrative.

(11-19-2019 02:11 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  I'm not saying which is the better team between CMU & Miami as frankly I'm not certain. Just calling out the flaw in logic calling out Miami losing to OSU by 71 when CMU lost to a significantly lessor talented Wisconsin by 61. You can't just pick and choose what you want to point out because it fits your narrative.

And what in the world are you doing here? You took one thing I said and made it sound like I was trashing Miami. Did I ever say CMU would beat Miami? I said I would rank them above Miami as of right now because I think CMU is settled in with their QB and our offense is firing on all cylinders. I suggest you read my entire post instead of stopping after OSU. I actually complimented them in the post and they could very well win the MACCG. I simply would put them behind WMU and CMU right now. That's all.

I was responding to a poster about how tough Miami's schedule was. Yes, they should be given credit. However, they were manhandled in basically every game. They lost to OSU by 71 points, which was the biggest margin of victory I can recall. For all I know, CMU could lose to OSU 100-0. I really don't care. It was just an observation.

I don't give MU credit for losing to Cinci, Ohio St, and Iowa.

Akron didn't play an FCS team. Should I list them above Bowling Green?

But they've been trending up all season, and could very much likely finish at the top. Could be first after this week.

(11-19-2019 03:31 PM)george14 Wrote:  

(11-19-2019 02:11 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  I'm not saying which is the better team between CMU & Miami as frankly I'm not certain. Just calling out the flaw in logic calling out Miami losing to OSU by 71 when CMU lost to a significantly lessor talented Wisconsin by 61. You can't just pick and choose what you want to point out because it fits your narrative.

And what in the world are you doing here? You took one thing I said and made it sound like I was trashing Miami. Did I ever say CMU would beat Miami? I said I would rank them above Miami as of right now because I think CMU is settled in with their QB and our offense is firing on all cylinders. I suggest you read my entire post instead of stopping after OSU. I actually complimented them in the post and they could very well win the MACCG. I simply would put them behind WMU and CMU right now. That's all.

I was responding to a poster about how tough Miami's schedule was. Yes, they should be given credit. However, they were manhandled in basically every game. They lost to OSU by 71 points, which was the biggest margin of victory I can recall. For all I know, CMU could lose to OSU 100-0. I really don't care. It was just an observation.

We were down by ten in the 4th to Iowa and down by four at halftime to UC. That's nothing to brag about, but there's a big difference between that and a complete manhandling like our game in Columbus.

Imo while non-conference games matter, the reality is that the MAC season is what counts when evaluating teams because that's where you have the most level competitive playing field. Miami has always sucked in non-conference play under Martin, but if we played (and won) against Rutgers and Arkansas instead of Iowa and OSU and we were 8-2 now it'd be the exact same team on the field.

Either way, in a season like this no great MAC team the difference between Miami, CMU, and WMU is pretty narrow. It's not like 2016 when you had Fleck's WMU and everyone else, or 2003 where there was Miami and a couple of really good other teams that just weren't as good.

(11-19-2019 08:26 AM)eich41 Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 09:34 PM)DICK Wrote:  Miami is a team whose strength is our special teams. Our placekicker, Sam Sloman, has hit 12 out 15 fg's and is 3 for 4 from the 40's and 3 for 4 from the 50's, he has not missed an extra point and 76% of his kickoffs are for touchback. He has the strongest leg in the league, and the strongest leg of any Miami pk ever.

Ryan Tice strongly disagrees with your assessment.

Yeah, I did not say Sloman was more accurate, I said he has a stronger leg. I attended the Miami at Kent game and there was a significant difference in the length of their kickoffs. That was the only comparison I made vs other MAc kickers, and I stand by it.

(11-19-2019 08:26 AM)eich41 Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 09:34 PM)DICK Wrote:  Miami is a team whose strength is our special teams. Our placekicker, Sam Sloman, has hit 12 out 15 fg's and is 3 for 4 from the 40's and 3 for 4 from the 50's, he has not missed an extra point and 76% of his kickoffs are for touchback. He has the strongest leg in the league, and the strongest leg of any Miami pk ever.

Ryan Tice strongly disagrees with your assessment.

Yeah, I did not say Sloman was more accurate, I said he has a stronger leg. I attended the Miami at Kent game and there was a significant difference in the length of their kickoffs. That was the only comparison I made vs other MAC kickers, and I stand by it.