(11-13-2019 02:32 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  "Hearsay can be more valid than direct evidence"??? WOw.. Illinois, you grow 'em stupid don't you!

Who said that nonsense?

(11-13-2019 02:39 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 02:32 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  "Hearsay can be more valid than direct evidence"??? WOw.. Illinois, you grow 'em stupid don't you!

Who said that nonsense?

Quigley, right at the end of his questioning

(11-13-2019 02:11 PM)VA49er Wrote:  The entire thing is a farce. I'm glad it is on TV for the entire nation to see.

TV? there will not be more than a handful of minds changed because most people will get everything they know about these hearings....

from sound bites

We all know which side the sound bites will lean before they ever hit the 5pm news, or the 6-9pm talking heads. People against this President will believe those sound bites....

even if they only take 5 or 6 words out of a comment and leave out the remaining part where the person said. I heard it from someone that was told by someone, who got the information from someone else. That wont matter and wont be brought up. The only thing most people will see...

is the question and the part of the answer that might show some damage before you hear the rest of the answer.

Farther more, most Americans are stupid. They cant follow the correlation of facts, they take one word or one short phrase, as meaning something totally different, than the whole answer

(11-13-2019 12:25 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  Chris Wallace backs Taylor's strategy as 'damning' in response.........shocking I tell ya....

I live in dipshite-land....

Chris is all in with the never Trumpers. He’s useless as real news.

(11-13-2019 02:41 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 02:39 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 02:32 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  "Hearsay can be more valid than direct evidence"??? WOw.. Illinois, you grow 'em stupid don't you!

Who said that nonsense?

Quigley, right at the end of his questioning

Which is of course generally why direct evidence is allowed in court proceedings and hearsay is not, right?

What he means is, if I choose to believe the guy with the hearsay and to not believe the direct claim, it can be more valid to the point I'm trying to make, but can't.

(11-13-2019 01:26 PM)tennis2k4 Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 12:27 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Goldman destroys the democrats first witnesses before the republicans even get a chance. One of the ‘witnesses’ says he’s never heard of Croudstrike! This bow tie wearing idiot is supposed to be an expert on Ukraine and he’s never heard of Croudstrike! You can’t make this chit up!
All they have is opinion and policy differences. Unfortunately for them Trump runs foreign policy because he’s the president and he was elected. He also says the Biden’s did nothing wrong and he’s not even in the Justice Department. All opinion and meaningless. Also says it was political investigation when he has no idea what the facts are.

Cloudstrike the Californian company that was mentioned in the transcript by Trump because he believes conspiracy theories. Yeah I don't care if the witness knows anything about them.

Actually it's CrowdStrike... The company that examined the DNC servers and declared that Russia hacked them and the FBI still doesn't have in their possession and they took the word of a third party. Unsure why it's a big deal with Ukraine.. But then again, DJT is privy to information we're not.

I'm not watching, but has the chicken eating buffoon from TN-9 made a fool of himself yet?

(11-13-2019 01:26 PM)tennis2k4 Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 12:27 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Goldman destroys the democrats first witnesses before the republicans even get a chance. One of the ‘witnesses’ says he’s never heard of Croudstrike! This bow tie wearing idiot is supposed to be an expert on Ukraine and he’s never heard of Croudstrike! You can’t make this chit up!
All they have is opinion and policy differences. Unfortunately for them Trump runs foreign policy because he’s the president and he was elected. He also says the Biden’s did nothing wrong and he’s not even in the Justice Department. All opinion and meaningless. Also says it was political investigation when he has no idea what the facts are.

Cloudstrike the Californian company that was mentioned in the transcript by Trump because he believes conspiracy theories. Yeah I don't care if the witness knows anything about them.

Seems there is a lot of ignorance for the democrats to tap into.

(11-13-2019 02:44 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 02:41 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 02:39 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 02:32 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  "Hearsay can be more valid than direct evidence"??? WOw.. Illinois, you grow 'em stupid don't you!

Who said that nonsense?

Quigley, right at the end of his questioning

Which is of course generally why direct evidence is allowed in court proceedings and hearsay is not, right?

What he means is, if I choose to believe the guy with the hearsay and to not believe the direct claim, it can be more valid to the point I'm trying to make, but can't.

He actually is technically correct here, as there are dozens of allowable exceptions to hearsay rules. We don’t normally allow hearsay in court proceedings because it’s prejudicial effect outweighs its evidentiary value, but exceptions are made on a wide variety of grounds.

For example, almost all states allow some form of hearsay if it can be used as a prior inconsistent statement to impeach a defendant’s current statement under oath. Using the same prior inconsistent statement without corroboration would be inadmissible hearsay if it was done on direct examination.

Taylor was in Nam. He must be respected and believed
Kerry was in Nam. He must be respected and believed
McCain was in Nam. He must be respected and believed
Mueller was in Nam. He must be respected and believed

Uh, naw. I'm getting tired of this tune.

"They do..." with a shiate eating smile. Priceless!

(11-13-2019 02:06 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 01:56 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 01:50 PM)TripleA Wrote:  It got so bad that Schiff banged the gavel and told Jordan his time had expired.

So, hadn't his time actually expired?

Doesn't Schiff let the time go over for some Dems? His reaction was clearly in response to the bathtub going over Niagara Falls.

And speaking of reactions, I'll remind you which one of the two of us is the real partisan here. I'm not a Trump supporter nor a Trump voter. But I can see out of both eyes and hear out of both ears, not just one side.

P.S. I would love to have you comment on the actual gist of my post about Amb. Taylor's knowledge.

Not that I saw. I only saw him allow the witnesses to conclude their answers to questions posed before the 5 minutes were up.

WHY WAS GYM YELLING AT EVERYONE?!?

(11-13-2019 04:12 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  WHY WAS GYM YELLING AT EVERYONE?!?

When Tom posts his ROTFL icon that is his coping mechanism that things are not going the way he hoped.

This circus is going to guarantee Trump's reelection.

(11-13-2019 04:09 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 02:06 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 01:56 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 01:50 PM)TripleA Wrote:  It got so bad that Schiff banged the gavel and told Jordan his time had expired.

So, hadn't his time actually expired?

Doesn't Schiff let the time go over for some Dems? His reaction was clearly in response to the bathtub going over Niagara Falls.

And speaking of reactions, I'll remind you which one of the two of us is the real partisan here. I'm not a Trump supporter nor a Trump voter. But I can see out of both eyes and hear out of both ears, not just one side.

P.S. I would love to have you comment on the actual gist of my post about Amb. Taylor's knowledge.

Not that I saw. I only saw him allow the witnesses to conclude their answers to questions posed before the 5 minutes were up.

You can't see the clock on TV. What you can see is that all the Dems talked until they said "I yield back my time," or finished their last question. Several of the Pubs got the time gavel, mid-qiestion. I'm sure only the Pubs overran the clock, right?.

And you still never answered my question about what you thought of Taylor's 4th or 5th or 6th hand knowledge of the phone call, and him being the prime witness on the first day.

(11-13-2019 03:26 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Taylor was in Nam. He must be respected and believed
Kerry was in Nam. He must be respected and believed
McCain was in Nam. He must be respected and believed
Mueller was in Nam. He must be respected and believed

Uh, naw. I'm getting tired of this tune.

I'm starting to see why we didn't win in Nam.

(11-13-2019 04:16 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 04:09 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 02:06 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 01:56 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 01:50 PM)TripleA Wrote:  It got so bad that Schiff banged the gavel and told Jordan his time had expired.

So, hadn't his time actually expired?

Doesn't Schiff let the time go over for some Dems? His reaction was clearly in response to the bathtub going over Niagara Falls.

And speaking of reactions, I'll remind you which one of the two of us is the real partisan here. I'm not a Trump supporter nor a Trump voter. But I can see out of both eyes and hear out of both ears, not just one side.

P.S. I would love to have you comment on the actual gist of my post about Amb. Taylor's knowledge.

Not that I saw. I only saw him allow the witnesses to conclude their answers to questions posed before the 5 minutes were up.

You can't see the clock on TV. What you can see is that all the Dems talked until they said "I yield back my time," or finished their last question. Several of the Pubs got the time gavel. I'm sure only the Pubs overran the clock, right?.

And you still never answered my question about what you thought of Taylor's 4th or 5th or 6th hand knowledge of the phone call, and him being the prime witness on the first day.

I saw it on several occasions, but not all the time. But trust me, if Schiff cut off GYM or that Ratcliffe clown before their 5 minutes or before they yielded, you would have certainly heard them scream.

(11-13-2019 04:16 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Somebody understands what is going on and how to fight it.