(11-11-2019 01:21 PM)gohogs14 Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 01:14 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 12:44 PM)gohogs14 Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 11:30 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 11:22 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  Norvell might leave if he thinks Morris left him enough to compete in the SEC West. But he better get 40M out of those losers. Get paid Mike. And don't let them mess with your buyout, because honestly I don't think anyone can win at Arkansas right now.

We will be fine. We are the best program in the AAC West. We will get a good replacement.

By definition it is virtually impossible to win at AR. One, only one SEC-West title since they joined & no SEC championships in 20 yrs. Morris fired after 22 games, Beilma fired, Smith fired before him - and AR won't even pay the contract as agreed to Beilma since he was fired. Pay increase is slight, not worth being fired 2-3 yrs later.

Arkansas has won the SEC West three times, not one. Smith was a one-year interim coach so he shouldn't count. The year before him Arkansas finished ranked #5 in the country. Bielema is arguably trying to skirt around the terms of his buyout so that's why they are in a lawsuit about it.

The division is tough but Arkansas does have great facilities and fan support and historically is a top 25 football program. I don't see why a good coach can't win 7-8 games a year with the occasional 9-10 win season and 4-5 wins in down years. Morris had a losing record at SMU and never should have been hired in the first place if we're being honest.

Quote:The division is tough but Arkansas does have great facilities and fan support and historically is a top 25 football program.

3 times in the last 20 years. Historically, you have 2 recent $EC losing streaks of at least 17 games. But thanks for the laughs, silly Pig fan.

And before those bad coaches we had a coach that went to a Sugar Bowl and got up to as high as #3 in the country.

Coaching matters. Just look at programs like Baylor, Minnesota and Kansas State who don't have the money, history or facilities Arkansas has. Their average recruiting ranking is probably 10-20 spots lower in a given year yet they're all having great years.

Outside of the state of AR, what recruit would know or care about thaqt history? And in-state none of them were even born the last time AR was #3 in the country. Yep coaching matters but AR is still playing in the SEC West.

(11-11-2019 12:44 PM)gohogs14 Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 11:30 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 11:22 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  Norvell might leave if he thinks Morris left him enough to compete in the SEC West. But he better get 40M out of those losers. Get paid Mike. And don't let them mess with your buyout, because honestly I don't think anyone can win at Arkansas right now.

We will be fine. We are the best program in the AAC West. We will get a good replacement.

By definition it is virtually impossible to win at AR. One, only one SEC-West title since they joined & no SEC championships in 20 yrs. Morris fired after 22 games, Beilma fired, Smith fired before him - and AR won't even pay the contract as agreed to Beilma since he was fired. Pay increase is slight, not worth being fired 2-3 yrs later.

Arkansas has won the SEC West three times, not one. Smith was a one-year interim coach so he shouldn't count. The year before him Arkansas finished ranked #5 in the country. Bielema is arguably trying to skirt around the terms of his buyout so that's why they are in a lawsuit about it.

The division is tough but Arkansas does have great facilities and fan support and historically is a top 25 football program. I don't see why a good coach can't win 7-8 games a year with the occasional 9-10 win season and 4-5 wins in down years. Morris had a losing record at SMU and never should have been hired in the first place if we're being honest.

Because

1. Arkansas isn’t a talent rich state
2. You’ll never have a talent advantage against anybody in the ACC. LSU, bama, Auburn, Georgia, Florida, Texas A&M are perennially going to have better talent unless they have awful coaching. And you’ll be on par with OM, MSU, USC, etc,
3. You don’t get to play Kentucky and Vanderbilt 5 times per year.
4. You have 4 buy games so any idiot can roll out of bed and win 4 at any SEC school besides Vanderbilt.
5. Any coach going 3-5 in the sec for that glorious 7-5 record will be fired after 2-3 years of doing so.

It's all a bunch of wild guesses at this point and let's be honest, money does talk and Arkansas' SEC affiliation pays them a LOT more than the AAC. Of course, even with the extra money how successful have they been as of late? Personally, I'm hoping Arkansas is taking a hard look at Les Miles. He knows the SEC and won a national title. He also seems to be sparking some life into a Kansas team that previously couldn't beat a decent high school team.

But, the sad reality is as much as we'd like Norvell to pull a Bobby Bowden and turn a mid-level program into a legacy, that just doesn't seem to happen much anymore and I'm just going to sit back and enjoy the ride while it lasts. If Norvell leaves and does so respectfully then I'll wish him all the luck in the world. Hey Mike, just don't steal the recruits, get our season vacated, and take the snow conde machine!

(11-11-2019 12:52 PM)Chi-Town Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 12:44 PM)gohogs14 Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 11:30 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 11:22 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  Norvell might leave if he thinks Morris left him enough to compete in the SEC West. But he better get 40M out of those losers. Get paid Mike. And don't let them mess with your buyout, because honestly I don't think anyone can win at Arkansas right now.

We will be fine. We are the best program in the AAC West. We will get a good replacement.

By definition it is virtually impossible to win at AR. One, only one SEC-West title since they joined & no SEC championships in 20 yrs. Morris fired after 22 games, Beilma fired, Smith fired before him - and AR won't even pay the contract as agreed to Beilma since he was fired. Pay increase is slight, not worth being fired 2-3 yrs later.

Arkansas has won the SEC West three times, not one. Smith was a one-year interim coach so he shouldn't count. The year before him Arkansas finished ranked #5 in the country. Bielema is arguably trying to skirt around the terms of his buyout so that's why they are in a lawsuit about it.

The division is tough but Arkansas does have great facilities and fan support and historically is a top 25 football program. I don't see why a good coach can't win 7-8 games a year with the occasional 9-10 win season and 4-5 wins in down years. Morris had a losing record at SMU and never should have been hired in the first place if we're being honest.

I am one that believes the AR job is a lot better job than folks here will admit. Lifelong Tigers fan that lived in LR for most of the last 15 years, had one kid graduate and another still there, both that lived/live just off of Stadium Dr. I have seen the facilities advantage that a P5 school gets first hand.

Now a devil's advocate for you. Didn't you just describe the basic success rate of AR native and favorite son Houston Nutt that got him run out of the ob?

Their facilities would matter if they were in the American
Competing against Memphis and Cincinnati. They aren’t worth anything when comparing the all the other state of the art facilities around the SEC. it just won’t move the needle with any recruit or give them some sort of training/coaching advantage.

If he goes he goes. If he stays he stays. The ONLY way I'll have hard feelings about this is if Mike drags it out and lets it affect THIS year's team. They deserve better. Take it or don't- just don't jerk us around.

(11-11-2019 01:30 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 01:21 PM)gohogs14 Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 01:14 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 12:44 PM)gohogs14 Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 11:30 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  By definition it is virtually impossible to win at AR. One, only one SEC-West title since they joined & no SEC championships in 20 yrs. Morris fired after 22 games, Beilma fired, Smith fired before him - and AR won't even pay the contract as agreed to Beilma since he was fired. Pay increase is slight, not worth being fired 2-3 yrs later.

Arkansas has won the SEC West three times, not one. Smith was a one-year interim coach so he shouldn't count. The year before him Arkansas finished ranked #5 in the country. Bielema is arguably trying to skirt around the terms of his buyout so that's why they are in a lawsuit about it.

The division is tough but Arkansas does have great facilities and fan support and historically is a top 25 football program. I don't see why a good coach can't win 7-8 games a year with the occasional 9-10 win season and 4-5 wins in down years. Morris had a losing record at SMU and never should have been hired in the first place if we're being honest.

Quote:The division is tough but Arkansas does have great facilities and fan support and historically is a top 25 football program.

3 times in the last 20 years. Historically, you have 2 recent $EC losing streaks of at least 17 games. But thanks for the laughs, silly Pig fan.

And before those bad coaches we had a coach that went to a Sugar Bowl and got up to as high as #3 in the country.

Coaching matters. Just look at programs like Baylor, Minnesota and Kansas State who don't have the money, history or facilities Arkansas has. Their average recruiting ranking is probably 10-20 spots lower in a given year yet they're all having great years.

Outside of the state of AR, what recruit would know or care about thaqt history? And in-state none of them were even born the last time AR was #3 in the country. Yep coaching matters but AR is still playing in the SEC West.

Lol that was 8 years ago, I would hope we aren't recruiting toddlers if they weren't born yet.

(11-11-2019 01:18 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 01:01 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 12:15 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 11:58 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  You all are way underestimating the pull of family... Arkansas is attractive because of family more than anything. The guy has the possibility to be paid millions and be next door to family while coaching in the SEC. That is a very unique opportunity and the most attractive part of the job. He is young. If he is at Arkansas for three years and gets fired he will have no problem finding another multi-million dollar head coaching gig somewhere...

Never say never but your logic is faulty - 1) Norvell has no connection to AR & is about as close here as there to his family, (2 Norvell is being paid millions here & would likely make about $1M/yr more at AR for 3 yrs before he is fired, 3) name one fired SEC HC coach that has found another "multi-million dollar P-5 job after? & 4) AR is currently NOT paying Beilema money owed him since they fired him - who would want that?

Why take a job of that little potential when he can play for championships here - and still have, even enhance the opportunity for a premo job (Bama, Auburn, LSU, FSU (maybe now), UGA, UF, UT (Texas) at a future date - 5 to 10 yrs from now? It's a no brainer decision NOT to take a job like AR.

Nah, you just have no idea what you are talking about.

No connections to AR?

1. Played college football at UCA (University of Central Arkansas) - Conway, AR, basically a suburb of Little Rock
2. His wife was born and raised in Fort Smith, AR (her parents still live there) - 45 minutes south of Fayetteville
3. His brother in law and child live in Springdale, AR about 20 minutes from the UofA's campus
4. Novell and his wife own a lake house on Beaver Lake - about 45 minutes from the UfoA's campus

But ya, other than that he has no connections to AR... Just spend about 30 seconds googling your questions about SEC coaches that were fired and then found new jobs paying millions. It is pretty simple and there is a long list. In fact, I believe one of them, Les Miles, is a dark horse for the Arkansas job because he has already coached and had success in the SEC west and had good success rebuilding Oklahoma State and has Kansas on the same track.

As you have now said Norvell has connection to Central AR not AR. And other than the current LSU coach some 10 yrs later finding success as a P5 head coach none of the other attempts have. Yep where is Miles now - Kansas arguably the worst P5 FB school over the last 10 yrs. Is that the tract that would attract Norvell? Or what about Richt, resigned at Miami because he couldn't win. Is that the tract Norvell wants? Or Nutt, fired at AR & OM, is that the tract Norvell wants? Or Tuberville fired at Auburn & couldn't win at TT or Cincy, is that the tract Norvell wants? The point is that none of these guys will have made in total the salary Norvell will have made over his career if Norvell just stays at Memphis without interruptions of employment that taking bad jobs causes.

Dude, seriously, Your entire original post has been marginalized as factually incorrect, now you're just back-"tracting" every point to arrive back at your original mistaken commentary.

Quote:1) Norvell has no connection to AR & is about as close here as there to his family, (2 Norvell is being paid millions here & would likely make about $1M/yr more at AR for 3 yrs before he is fired, 3) name one fired SEC HC coach that has found another "multi-million dollar P-5 job after? & 4) AR is currently NOT paying Beilema money owed him since they fired him - who would want that?

*No connection to Arkansas - Umm, care to re"tract"?
*Likely make about $1m more at AR - this life changing "extra" money (which would arguably be more) is pretty easily dismissed by the financial planners we have on a message board.
*Name ***ONE*** fired SEC coach - I think everyone here named about 8 that refute this point (even mine that I claim extra credit for because I actually including a former HOG coach), then your point changed
*AR is currently NOT paying - not true, it is tied up legally but they are still on the hook until proven otherwise.

(11-11-2019 01:01 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 12:15 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 11:58 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  You all are way underestimating the pull of family... Arkansas is attractive because of family more than anything. The guy has the possibility to be paid millions and be next door to family while coaching in the SEC. That is a very unique opportunity and the most attractive part of the job. He is young. If he is at Arkansas for three years and gets fired he will have no problem finding another multi-million dollar head coaching gig somewhere...

Never say never but your logic is faulty - 1) Norvell has no connection to AR & is about as close here as there to his family, (2 Norvell is being paid millions here & would likely make about $1M/yr more at AR for 3 yrs before he is fired, 3) name one fired SEC HC coach that has found another "multi-million dollar P-5 job after? & 4) AR is currently NOT paying Beilema money owed him since they fired him - who would want that?

Why take a job of that little potential when he can play for championships here - and still have, even enhance the opportunity for a premo job (Bama, Auburn, LSU, FSU (maybe now), UGA, UF, UT (Texas) at a future date - 5 to 10 yrs from now? It's a no brainer decision NOT to take a job like AR.

Nah, you just have no idea what you are talking about.

No connections to AR?

1. Played college football at UCA (University of Central Arkansas) - Conway, AR, basically a suburb of Little Rock
2. His wife was born and raised in Fort Smith, AR (her parents still live there) - 45 minutes south of Fayetteville
3. His brother in law and child live in Springdale, AR about 20 minutes from the UofA's campus
4. Novell and his wife own a lake house on Beaver Lake - about 45 minutes from the UfoA's campus

But ya, other than that he has no connections to AR... Just spend about 30 seconds googling your questions about SEC coaches that were fired and then found new jobs paying millions. It is pretty simple and there is a long list. In fact, I believe one of them, Les Miles, is a dark horse for the Arkansas job because he has already coached and had success in the SEC west and had good success rebuilding Oklahoma State and has Kansas on the same track.

Atlanta will say anything...really ANYTHING with no regard for actual facts, to suit his purpose. 30 seconds of Google is the equivalent to the Mueller Report for Atlanta.

(11-11-2019 11:30 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 11:22 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  Norvell might leave if he thinks Morris left him enough to compete in the SEC West. But he better get 40M out of those losers. Get paid Mike. And don't let them mess with your buyout, because honestly I don't think anyone can win at Arkansas right now.

We will be fine. We are the best program in the AAC West. We will get a good replacement.

By definition it is virtually impossible to win at AR. One, only one SEC-West title since they joined & no SEC championships in 20 yrs. Morris fired after 22 games, Beilma fired, Smith fired before him - and AR won't even pay the contract as agreed to Beilma since he was fired. Pay increase is slight, not worth being fired 2-3 yrs later.

I think they have won the west three times

1995
2002
2006

Without looking it up I think they last played a New Years bowl around 2010 or 2011

But today it seems like a career killer and I would hold out for something better indeed

(11-28-2017 03:33 PM)Chi-Town Wrote:  

(11-28-2017 10:39 AM)k2tigers Wrote:  Anthony Sain‏
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Can confirm that Norvell met with Arkansas reps last night in Memphis. Not saying he’s gone but he’s definitely gauging interests as he should.

I think he is gone, or better said, I would be surprised if he isn't. Not shocked, just surprised.

I would have SMU's Off coordinator on speed dial, if not Todd Graham himself.

Looks like Norvell is gone. Oh wait, that was from a post 2 years ago.

(11-11-2019 01:43 PM)jgardne Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 12:52 PM)Chi-Town Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 12:44 PM)gohogs14 Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 11:30 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 11:22 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  Norvell might leave if he thinks Morris left him enough to compete in the SEC West. But he better get 40M out of those losers. Get paid Mike. And don't let them mess with your buyout, because honestly I don't think anyone can win at Arkansas right now.

We will be fine. We are the best program in the AAC West. We will get a good replacement.

By definition it is virtually impossible to win at AR. One, only one SEC-West title since they joined & no SEC championships in 20 yrs. Morris fired after 22 games, Beilma fired, Smith fired before him - and AR won't even pay the contract as agreed to Beilma since he was fired. Pay increase is slight, not worth being fired 2-3 yrs later.

Arkansas has won the SEC West three times, not one. Smith was a one-year interim coach so he shouldn't count. The year before him Arkansas finished ranked #5 in the country. Bielema is arguably trying to skirt around the terms of his buyout so that's why they are in a lawsuit about it.

The division is tough but Arkansas does have great facilities and fan support and historically is a top 25 football program. I don't see why a good coach can't win 7-8 games a year with the occasional 9-10 win season and 4-5 wins in down years. Morris had a losing record at SMU and never should have been hired in the first place if we're being honest.

I am one that believes the AR job is a lot better job than folks here will admit. Lifelong Tigers fan that lived in LR for most of the last 15 years, had one kid graduate and another still there, both that lived/live just off of Stadium Dr. I have seen the facilities advantage that a P5 school gets first hand.

Now a devil's advocate for you. Didn't you just describe the basic success rate of AR native and favorite son Houston Nutt that got him run out of the ob?

Their facilities would matter if they were in the American
Competing against Memphis and Cincinnati. They aren’t worth anything when comparing the all the other state of the art facilities around the SEC. it just won’t move the needle with any recruit or give them some sort of training/coaching advantage.

Obviously you have never been there. Their facilities are unbelievable compared to any G5 school, and on a level playing field with most P5 schools yet they are a "bottom feeder" and a "dumpster fire" according to those around here. They build newer/better/upgraded best in class facilities for ALL SPORTS just because they can. That is just a singular, simple example of what the funding that BCS welfare gives them.

Norvell has the luxury to wait until a better job than the dumpster fire Arkansas job.

(11-11-2019 01:01 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 12:15 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 11:58 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  You all are way underestimating the pull of family... Arkansas is attractive because of family more than anything. The guy has the possibility to be paid millions and be next door to family while coaching in the SEC. That is a very unique opportunity and the most attractive part of the job. He is young. If he is at Arkansas for three years and gets fired he will have no problem finding another multi-million dollar head coaching gig somewhere...

Never say never but your logic is faulty - 1) Norvell has no connection to AR & is about as close here as there to his family, (2 Norvell is being paid millions here & would likely make about $1M/yr more at AR for 3 yrs before he is fired, 3) name one fired SEC HC coach that has found another "multi-million dollar P-5 job after? & 4) AR is currently NOT paying Beilema money owed him since they fired him - who would want that?

Why take a job of that little potential when he can play for championships here - and still have, even enhance the opportunity for a premo job (Bama, Auburn, LSU, FSU (maybe now), UGA, UF, UT (Texas) at a future date - 5 to 10 yrs from now? It's a no brainer decision NOT to take a job like AR.

Nah, you just have no idea what you are talking about.

No connections to AR?

1. Played college football at UCA (University of Central Arkansas) - Conway, AR, basically a suburb of Little Rock
2. His wife was born and raised in Fort Smith, AR (her parents still live there) - 45 minutes south of Fayetteville
3. His brother in law and child live in Springdale, AR about 20 minutes from the UofA's campus
4. Novell and his wife own a lake house on Beaver Lake - about 45 minutes from the UfoA's campus

But ya, other than that he has no connections to AR... Just spend about 30 seconds googling your questions about SEC coaches that were fired and then found new jobs paying millions. It is pretty simple and there is a long list. In fact, I believe one of them, Les Miles, is a dark horse for the Arkansas job because he has already coached and had success in the SEC west and had good success rebuilding Oklahoma State and has Kansas on the same track.

I think Les stays awhile.
No pressure for him to win right 'right' now there,
His team has made some progress...so he's safe for a good while.

Mike is a competitor. He wants to compete and win at the highest level. He's bumping against the ceiling of what he can do here. The SEC is the highest level of CFB so there could be interest there. I won't blame him and I'll wish him well when he eventually leaves. Its a mater of if the Arkansas job is the one he jumps for. Arkansas is a a year or two away from competing with Ole Miss and State, and much further behind Auburn, A&M, LSU and Bama. He'll pile up alot of Ls as he gets his roster in order and culture established. Will the fanbase and admin be willing to rebuild with him? Arkansas just fired a guy 22 months into a 60 month contract.

Its all speculation at this point, and unless someone has a wiretap on Sexton's phone, no one knows anything and all message board rumors are just that. His stock is sky high. He can be picky. I don't think FSU and Arkansas are the only jobs that will be open this year, so there is still more the play out. He genuinely seems happy here. He's well compensated. I think he'll sit back and be picky for the perfect landing spot, but that's just me

(11-11-2019 01:18 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 01:01 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 12:15 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 11:58 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  You all are way underestimating the pull of family... Arkansas is attractive because of family more than anything. The guy has the possibility to be paid millions and be next door to family while coaching in the SEC. That is a very unique opportunity and the most attractive part of the job. He is young. If he is at Arkansas for three years and gets fired he will have no problem finding another multi-million dollar head coaching gig somewhere...

Never say never but your logic is faulty - 1) Norvell has no connection to AR & is about as close here as there to his family, (2 Norvell is being paid millions here & would likely make about $1M/yr more at AR for 3 yrs before he is fired, 3) name one fired SEC HC coach that has found another "multi-million dollar P-5 job after? & 4) AR is currently NOT paying Beilema money owed him since they fired him - who would want that?

Why take a job of that little potential when he can play for championships here - and still have, even enhance the opportunity for a premo job (Bama, Auburn, LSU, FSU (maybe now), UGA, UF, UT (Texas) at a future date - 5 to 10 yrs from now? It's a no brainer decision NOT to take a job like AR.

Nah, you just have no idea what you are talking about.

No connections to AR?

1. Played college football at UCA (University of Central Arkansas) - Conway, AR, basically a suburb of Little Rock
2. His wife was born and raised in Fort Smith, AR (her parents still live there) - 45 minutes south of Fayetteville
3. His brother in law and child live in Springdale, AR about 20 minutes from the UofA's campus
4. Novell and his wife own a lake house on Beaver Lake - about 45 minutes from the UfoA's campus

But ya, other than that he has no connections to AR... Just spend about 30 seconds googling your questions about SEC coaches that were fired and then found new jobs paying millions. It is pretty simple and there is a long list. In fact, I believe one of them, Les Miles, is a dark horse for the Arkansas job because he has already coached and had success in the SEC west and had good success rebuilding Oklahoma State and has Kansas on the same track.

As you have now said Norvell has connection to Central AR not AR. And other than the current LSU coach some 10 yrs later finding success as a P5 head coach none of the other attempts have. Yep where is Miles now - Kansas arguably the worst P5 FB school over the last 10 yrs. Is that the tract that would attract Norvell? Or what about Richt, resigned at Miami because he couldn't win. Is that the tract Norvell wants? Or Nutt, fired at AR & OM, is that the tract Norvell wants? Or Tuberville fired at Auburn & couldn't win at TT or Cincy, is that the tract Norvell wants? The point is that none of these guys will have made in total the salary Norvell will have made over his career if Norvell just stays at Memphis without interruptions of employment that taking bad jobs causes.

Are you being intentionally stupid?

Fayetteville, Springdale, Bentonville/Rogers are basically just a large metropolitan area and the largest revenue producing part of state. He is connected here In the Northwest corner of AR with the second largest MSA and three fortune 500 companies financially backing the school.
Central AR has the largest MSA and again some seriously deep pockets that back the program and he is connected here.
Fort Smith, "river valley" is the 3rd largest MSA in the state and he is connected there. If you are well connected in the 3 largest MSAs in the state of AR then you are connected to the entire state...

And you are just moving the target to make your point since your original statement was proven incorrect.

Belima - Anaylsit and now an NFL coordinator
Richt - Miami head coach
Muschamp - South Carolina head coach
Petrino - WKU head coach and then Louisville head coach
Houston Nutt - Ole Miss head coach and now a CBS analyst
Miles - $2.75 million/year to coach a school with no expectations
Sumlin - Arizona head coach and received a $10 million buyout

Those are all pretty cushy landing spots...

This idea that these coaches have gone to other schools and did not win. Is that because you cannot win at those schools or because they were not (or no longer) good coaches? Cincinatti has had several successful head coaches. So, was Cincy the problem or Tubberville at the end of his career? And many of those guys have made and are continuing to make just as much as Norvell will make at Memphis. Look, Arkansas is not a great job IMO, however, Norvell is not going anywhere expecting not to be able to win. He is not looking at past SEC coaches that have failed. He would expect himself to win. And if he did not, he is still assured financial security for the rest of his life and his kid's lives...

My point is simple. The money is there and his family is there. That will be a massive selling point and will be the predominant appeal of Arkansas. If Ole Miss or Miss State were open (jobs that I consider the same as AR) then I would agree that they would not be appealing to Norvell but AR has something to offer that the others do not.

(11-11-2019 01:53 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(11-28-2017 03:33 PM)Chi-Town Wrote:  

(11-28-2017 10:39 AM)k2tigers Wrote:  Anthony Sain‏
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Can confirm that Norvell met with Arkansas reps last night in Memphis. Not saying he’s gone but he’s definitely gauging interests as he should.

I think he is gone, or better said, I would be surprised if he isn't. Not shocked, just surprised.

I would have SMU's Off coordinator on speed dial, if not Todd Graham himself.

Looks like Norvell is gone. Oh wait, that was from a post 2 years ago.

Was this for me? Funny thing is that that entire statement even 2 years later, still holds merit. LOL

(11-11-2019 01:54 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 01:01 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 12:15 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 11:58 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  You all are way underestimating the pull of family... Arkansas is attractive because of family more than anything. The guy has the possibility to be paid millions and be next door to family while coaching in the SEC. That is a very unique opportunity and the most attractive part of the job. He is young. If he is at Arkansas for three years and gets fired he will have no problem finding another multi-million dollar head coaching gig somewhere...

Never say never but your logic is faulty - 1) Norvell has no connection to AR & is about as close here as there to his family, (2 Norvell is being paid millions here & would likely make about $1M/yr more at AR for 3 yrs before he is fired, 3) name one fired SEC HC coach that has found another "multi-million dollar P-5 job after? & 4) AR is currently NOT paying Beilema money owed him since they fired him - who would want that?

Why take a job of that little potential when he can play for championships here - and still have, even enhance the opportunity for a premo job (Bama, Auburn, LSU, FSU (maybe now), UGA, UF, UT (Texas) at a future date - 5 to 10 yrs from now? It's a no brainer decision NOT to take a job like AR.

Nah, you just have no idea what you are talking about.

No connections to AR?

1. Played college football at UCA (University of Central Arkansas) - Conway, AR, basically a suburb of Little Rock
2. His wife was born and raised in Fort Smith, AR (her parents still live there) - 45 minutes south of Fayetteville
3. His brother in law and child live in Springdale, AR about 20 minutes from the UofA's campus
4. Novell and his wife own a lake house on Beaver Lake - about 45 minutes from the UfoA's campus

But ya, other than that he has no connections to AR... Just spend about 30 seconds googling your questions about SEC coaches that were fired and then found new jobs paying millions. It is pretty simple and there is a long list. In fact, I believe one of them, Les Miles, is a dark horse for the Arkansas job because he has already coached and had success in the SEC west and had good success rebuilding Oklahoma State and has Kansas on the same track.

I think Les stays awhile.
No pressure for him to win right 'right' now there,
His team has made some progress...so he's safe for a good while.

He very well may and I would not disagree with your premise. I do think AR has/will reach out though.

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(11-28-2017 10:39 AM)k2tigers Wrote:  Anthony Sain‏
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Can confirm that Norvell met with Arkansas reps last night in Memphis. Not saying he’s gone but he’s definitely gauging interests as he should.

I think he is gone, or better said, I would be surprised if he isn't. Not shocked, just surprised.

I would have SMU's Off coordinator on speed dial, if not Todd Graham himself.

Looks like Norvell is gone. Oh wait, that was from a post 2 years ago.

Was this for me? Funny thing is that that entire statement even 2 years later, still holds merit. LOL

About the only time you seem to post...just saying.

(11-11-2019 01:21 PM)gohogs14 Wrote:  

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(11-11-2019 11:30 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 11:22 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  Norvell might leave if he thinks Morris left him enough to compete in the SEC West. But he better get 40M out of those losers. Get paid Mike. And don't let them mess with your buyout, because honestly I don't think anyone can win at Arkansas right now.

We will be fine. We are the best program in the AAC West. We will get a good replacement.

By definition it is virtually impossible to win at AR. One, only one SEC-West title since they joined & no SEC championships in 20 yrs. Morris fired after 22 games, Beilma fired, Smith fired before him - and AR won't even pay the contract as agreed to Beilma since he was fired. Pay increase is slight, not worth being fired 2-3 yrs later.

Arkansas has won the SEC West three times, not one. Smith was a one-year interim coach so he shouldn't count. The year before him Arkansas finished ranked #5 in the country. Bielema is arguably trying to skirt around the terms of his buyout so that's why they are in a lawsuit about it.

The division is tough but Arkansas does have great facilities and fan support and historically is a top 25 football program. I don't see why a good coach can't win 7-8 games a year with the occasional 9-10 win season and 4-5 wins in down years. Morris had a losing record at SMU and never should have been hired in the first place if we're being honest.

Quote:The division is tough but Arkansas does have great facilities and fan support and historically is a top 25 football program.

3 times in the last 20 years. Historically, you have 2 recent $EC losing streaks of at least 17 games. But thanks for the laughs, silly Pig fan.

And before those bad coaches we had a coach that went to a Sugar Bowl and got up to as high as #3 in the country.

Coaching matters. Just look at programs like Baylor, Minnesota and Kansas State who don't have the money, history or facilities Arkansas has. Their average recruiting ranking is probably 10-20 spots lower in a given year yet they're all having great years.

Yes, more than 20 years ago, but I can understand your perspective. The basketball program hasn't been to the Sweet 16 in 23 years. The football program is a juggernaut comparatively.

Baylor has finished the season ranked 4 out of the last 8 seasons, soon to be 5 out of the last 9. Kansas State has finished the season ranked 8 times out of the last 20.

I guess both of those programs that you look down on in your delusional state of mind, are much better jobs than Arkansuck.

(11-11-2019 01:56 PM)mthom Wrote:  Mike is a competitor. He wants to compete and win at the highest level. He's bumping against the ceiling of what he can do here. The SEC is the highest level of CFB so there could be interest there. I won't blame him and I'll wish him well when he eventually leaves. Its a mater of if the Arkansas job is the one he jumps for. Arkansas is a a year or two away from competing with Ole Miss and State, and much further behind Auburn, A&M, LSU and Bama.

Still not sure why people lump A&M in with the other three when they haven't accomplished anything yet. Hell like 4 of the last 5 Arkansas-A&M games have gone into OT lol.

Quote:Yes, more than 20 years ago, but I can understand your perspective. The basketball program hasn't been to the Sweet 16 in 23 years. The football program is a juggernaut comparatively.

Baylor has finished the season ranked 4 out of the last 8 seasons, soon to be 5 out of the last 9. Kansas State has finished the season ranked 8 times out of the last 20.

I guess both of those programs that you look down on in your delusional state of mind, are much better jobs than Arkansuck.

It wasn't more than 20 years ago.

That's exactly my point. If you can win in Waco and Manhattan, Kansas (albeit in a worse conference) then there's no reason you can't at Arkansas who theoretically has more resources. Freeze won at Ole Miss and Mullen won at MSU, two programs who Arkansas has owned up until recently. We are probably comparable to them now though.