(11-03-2019 09:46 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  In any case, yes, he should be impeached because M Cohen was his lawyer.

I am not qualified to speak with authority on Constitutional matters, but my understanding from reading posts by the smart people on this forum is that impeachment (by the House of Representatives) is purely a political decision. The House majority, alone, gets to decide what is and is not a "High Crime and Misdemeanor".

My earlier offering of "two scoops" was in jest. But the president's stupidity in surrounding himself with often-qualified and sometimes-dishonest people, who simply know how to suck up to him, is not particularly funny. It is concerning.

Is it enough to convict him? Of course not. But is it enough to provide cover for a purely political action by a bunch of elected hacks. It might be.

(11-03-2019 08:57 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(11-03-2019 06:58 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  Ackshully ......

(11-02-2019 10:36 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  He fired so many unqualified people for being unqualified.

I realize that you say this facetiously, but there’s at least some core truth to this. President Trump will almost certainly be impeached by the House of Representatives. Not for any actual crime. But for the stupidity in surrounding himself with unqualified and basically dishonest people.

Folks like Michael Cohen, Paul Manafort, Steve Bannon, Omarosa (or whatever her name is), Scaramucci, and so on.

I know. I know. Every politician has had their share of dipshits working for them. But President Trump is not every politician. He ought to know that the media is never going to provide cover for him.

His boast that he hires “only the best people” is, in actuality, his most glaring vulnerability.

If you were elected president who would you hire? This is where the deep state has buried themselves in this democracy. Trump could have hired deep staters. People who had been in Washington forever. Where would that have gotten him? He had to have some outsiders to accomplish his goals. Try them and fire them if they don’t work out is a good strategy.
Just look at Bolton. He’s been there forever and he couldn’t help but rock the boat with a president who seems to be pretty much on the same page.
The list of people who can do these jobs is really pretty small. They demand to be hired because of their ‘experience’ not because of their effectiveness.

The catch 22 here is that total outsiders to the Beltway haven't a clue how to utilize connections in D.C. all of which feed the media outlets with whatever stories they wish. So if Trump had hired competent people who were total outsiders they would have been stonewalled, accused of incompetence, and would have rapidly become the President's biggest liability.

Instead what Trump hired were those who were tangentially familiar with the Beltway, but not necessarily a part of it, and those he had been told were a part of it but reliable. All of them were well enough known that the Deep State already knew their foibles and how to exploit them. Knowing the sins of your adversary and knowing when and how to use them is "power" in bureaucratic politics anywhere.

Washington has long been a Chinese Finger Trap. Once you enter it you can't pull yourself back away from the hold it has over you because of what they either know about you, or because of who they are willing to trash to get to you.

Trumps tangential people all started to worry about life after Trump and they never truly worked for the President (except for those few exceptions already noted). Those who worked for the President who came from Washington should never have been trusted. They are in effect double agents. They may give Trump counsel on what the Deep State is doing but they also give the Deep State counsel on what Trump is doing. And that goes for some key White House advisors.

Trumps future depends on keeping his own business clean, not remaining loyal to any Beltway staffers, by being aware of the pressure points of his tangential hires and how the Washington crowd seeks to exploit them, and making sure that the extant machinery that controls the Deep State doesn't get its financial oxen gored.

As long as the machinery (Corporate Backers) make money they will pressure, but not destroy Trump. Why? Because they exist in part due to, and rely upon, the illusion of free elections and the orderly transfer of government. They will endure DJT and make social concessions to him rather than risk exposing their real control to the horror of what is now a public so concentrated on hating each other (which is reflected starkly in the divide within the two party system).
I suspect that they are already very nervous over most of this impeachment garbage because they can't afford to have the connections unraveled publicly.

The impeachment stuff will playout to draw attention away from the real power structure, but will not push itself to replace Trump, but rather to distract from the public during the coming elections of 2020. The focus after that will be on Lame Duck Donald rather than cooperation. Remember both the Deep State and those who control them profit by gridlock. The current state of affairs provides exactly that and in a quantity never so abundant.

(11-03-2019 09:54 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(11-03-2019 09:46 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  In any case, yes, he should be impeached because M Cohen was his lawyer.

I am not qualified to speak with authority on Constitutional matters, but my understanding from reading posts by the smart people on this forum is that impeachment (by the House of Representatives) is purely a political decision. The House majority, alone, gets to decide what is and is not a "High Crime and Misdemeanor".

My earlier offering of "two scoops" was in jest. But the president's stupidity in surrounding himself with often-qualified and sometimes-dishonest people, who simply know how to suck up to him, is not particularly funny. It is concerning.

Is it enough to convict him? Of course not. But is it enough to provide cover for a purely political action by a bunch of elected hacks. It might be.

Are there honest people in Washington? The very nature of politics is compromise. Honesty requires a baseline of ideals and standards which may never be compromised.

(11-03-2019 09:54 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(11-03-2019 09:46 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  In any case, yes, he should be impeached because M Cohen was his lawyer.

I am not qualified to speak with authority on Constitutional matters, but my understanding from reading posts by the smart people on this forum is that impeachment (by the House of Representatives) is purely a political decision. The House majority, alone, gets to decide what is and is not a "High Crime and Misdemeanor".

My earlier offering of "two scoops" was in jest. But the president's stupidity in surrounding himself with often-qualified and sometimes-dishonest people, who simply know how to suck up to him, is not particularly funny. It is concerning.

Is it enough to convict him? Of course not. But is it enough to provide cover for a purely political action by a bunch of elected hacks. It might be.

Exactly the reason for this list.

Because he corrupted the presidency in every single way.

(11-03-2019 11:20 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-03-2019 08:57 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(11-03-2019 06:58 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  Ackshully ......

(11-02-2019 10:36 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  He fired so many unqualified people for being unqualified.

I realize that you say this facetiously, but there’s at least some core truth to this. President Trump will almost certainly be impeached by the House of Representatives. Not for any actual crime. But for the stupidity in surrounding himself with unqualified and basically dishonest people.

Folks like Michael Cohen, Paul Manafort, Steve Bannon, Omarosa (or whatever her name is), Scaramucci, and so on.

I know. I know. Every politician has had their share of dipshits working for them. But President Trump is not every politician. He ought to know that the media is never going to provide cover for him.

His boast that he hires “only the best people” is, in actuality, his most glaring vulnerability.

If you were elected president who would you hire? This is where the deep state has buried themselves in this democracy. Trump could have hired deep staters. People who had been in Washington forever. Where would that have gotten him? He had to have some outsiders to accomplish his goals. Try them and fire them if they don’t work out is a good strategy.
Just look at Bolton. He’s been there forever and he couldn’t help but rock the boat with a president who seems to be pretty much on the same page.
The list of people who can do these jobs is really pretty small. They demand to be hired because of their ‘experience’ not because of their effectiveness.

The catch 22 here is that total outsiders to the Beltway haven't a clue how to utilize connections in D.C. all of which feed the media outlets with whatever stories they wish. So if Trump had hired competent people who were total outsiders they would have been stonewalled, accused of incompetence, and would have rapidly become the President's biggest liability.

Instead what Trump hired were those who were tangentially familiar with the Beltway, but not necessarily a part of it, and those he had been told were a part of it but reliable. All of them were well enough known that the Deep State already knew their foibles and how to exploit them. Knowing the sins of your adversary and knowing when and how to use them is "power" in bureaucratic politics anywhere.

Washington has long been a Chinese Finger Trap. Once you enter it you can't pull yourself back away from the hold it has over you because of what they either know about you, or because of who they are willing to trash to get to you.

Trumps tangential people all started to worry about life after Trump and they never truly worked for the President (except for those few exceptions already noted). Those who worked for the President who came from Washington should never have been trusted. They are in effect double agents. They may give Trump counsel on what the Deep State is doing but they also give the Deep State counsel on what Trump is doing. And that goes for some key White House advisors.

Trumps future depends on keeping his own business clean, not remaining loyal to any Beltway staffers, by being aware of the pressure points of his tangential hires and how the Washington crowd seeks to exploit them, and making sure that the extant machinery that controls the Deep State doesn't get its financial oxen gored.

As long as the machinery (Corporate Backers) make money they will pressure, but not destroy Trump. Why? Because they exist in part due to, and rely upon, the illusion of free elections and the orderly transfer of government. They will endure DJT and make social concessions to him rather than risk exposing their real control to the horror of what is now a public so concentrated on hating each other (which is reflected starkly in the divide within the two party system).
I suspect that they are already very nervous over most of this impeachment garbage because they can't afford to have the connections unraveled publicly.

The impeachment stuff will playout to draw attention away from the real power structure, but will not push itself to replace Trump, but rather to distract from the public during the coming elections of 2020. The focus after that will be on Lame Duck Donald rather than cooperation. Remember both the Deep State and those who control them profit by gridlock. The current state of affairs provides exactly that and in a quantity never so abundant.

One person close to him has said Trump thought that since he won the election that those in positions in the White House would work with him on his agenda. That was his miserable failing. He should have been a fan of the old XFiles smoking man who from the deep state told Fox “trust no one”.

I agree Obama should be impeached, but the list of his offenses is too long to post, and I don't want to break the internet.

The real power in DC is the unelected and unaccountable bureaucracy. Trump threatens them, and as Chuck Schumer warned, they have ways of getting back at you. I'm torn between wanting to trim the feathers of that unelected bureaucracy and hoping that they don't find a way to damage Trump or other republicans enough to accomplish a total collectivist/socialist/communist takeover. I used put some trust in the blue dogs, but Obamacare pretty much eliminated them. I have no trust or confidence in any current democrat. And not much in any republican. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. That's as far as I will go. But I truly wish my enemies had better enemies.

https://nypost.com/2019/11/01/what-exact...rime-here/

"...Poor Democrats. If the Constitution included a “We can’t stand the guy!” impeachment rationale, their divisive recklessness would be legit."

(11-03-2019 11:34 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(11-03-2019 11:20 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-03-2019 08:57 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(11-03-2019 06:58 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  Ackshully ......

(11-02-2019 10:36 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  He fired so many unqualified people for being unqualified.

I realize that you say this facetiously, but there’s at least some core truth to this. President Trump will almost certainly be impeached by the House of Representatives. Not for any actual crime. But for the stupidity in surrounding himself with unqualified and basically dishonest people.

Folks like Michael Cohen, Paul Manafort, Steve Bannon, Omarosa (or whatever her name is), Scaramucci, and so on.

I know. I know. Every politician has had their share of dipshits working for them. But President Trump is not every politician. He ought to know that the media is never going to provide cover for him.

His boast that he hires “only the best people” is, in actuality, his most glaring vulnerability.

If you were elected president who would you hire? This is where the deep state has buried themselves in this democracy. Trump could have hired deep staters. People who had been in Washington forever. Where would that have gotten him? He had to have some outsiders to accomplish his goals. Try them and fire them if they don’t work out is a good strategy.
Just look at Bolton. He’s been there forever and he couldn’t help but rock the boat with a president who seems to be pretty much on the same page.
The list of people who can do these jobs is really pretty small. They demand to be hired because of their ‘experience’ not because of their effectiveness.

The catch 22 here is that total outsiders to the Beltway haven't a clue how to utilize connections in D.C. all of which feed the media outlets with whatever stories they wish. So if Trump had hired competent people who were total outsiders they would have been stonewalled, accused of incompetence, and would have rapidly become the President's biggest liability.

Instead what Trump hired were those who were tangentially familiar with the Beltway, but not necessarily a part of it, and those he had been told were a part of it but reliable. All of them were well enough known that the Deep State already knew their foibles and how to exploit them. Knowing the sins of your adversary and knowing when and how to use them is "power" in bureaucratic politics anywhere.

Washington has long been a Chinese Finger Trap. Once you enter it you can't pull yourself back away from the hold it has over you because of what they either know about you, or because of who they are willing to trash to get to you.

Trumps tangential people all started to worry about life after Trump and they never truly worked for the President (except for those few exceptions already noted). Those who worked for the President who came from Washington should never have been trusted. They are in effect double agents. They may give Trump counsel on what the Deep State is doing but they also give the Deep State counsel on what Trump is doing. And that goes for some key White House advisors.

Trumps future depends on keeping his own business clean, not remaining loyal to any Beltway staffers, by being aware of the pressure points of his tangential hires and how the Washington crowd seeks to exploit them, and making sure that the extant machinery that controls the Deep State doesn't get its financial oxen gored.

As long as the machinery (Corporate Backers) make money they will pressure, but not destroy Trump. Why? Because they exist in part due to, and rely upon, the illusion of free elections and the orderly transfer of government. They will endure DJT and make social concessions to him rather than risk exposing their real control to the horror of what is now a public so concentrated on hating each other (which is reflected starkly in the divide within the two party system).
I suspect that they are already very nervous over most of this impeachment garbage because they can't afford to have the connections unraveled publicly.

The impeachment stuff will playout to draw attention away from the real power structure, but will not push itself to replace Trump, but rather to distract from the public during the coming elections of 2020. The focus after that will be on Lame Duck Donald rather than cooperation. Remember both the Deep State and those who control them profit by gridlock. The current state of affairs provides exactly that and in a quantity never so abundant.

One person close to him has said Trump thought that since he won the election that those in positions in the White House would work with him on his agenda. That was his miserable failing. He should have been a fan of the old XFiles smoking man who from the deep state told Fox “trust no one”.

It was a different paradigm from the business world. And to use the X-Files analogy it was a good thing he didn't have a Dana Scully working for him because in this world she would have been a #metoo.

(11-03-2019 11:48 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  The real power in DC is the unelected and unaccountable bureaucracy. Trump threatens them, and as Chuck Schumer warned, they have ways of getting back at you. I'm torn between wanting to trim the feathers of that unelected bureaucracy and hoping that they don't find a way to damage Trump or other republicans enough to accomplish a total collectivist/socialist/communist takeover. I used put some trust in the blue dogs, but Obamacare pretty much eliminated them. I have no trust or confidence in any current democrat. And not much in any republican. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. That's as far as I will go. But I truly wish my enemies had better enemies.

If you are going to follow Sun Tzu then your first objective is to know your enemy. Your second is to choose the time and place of the battle.

Trump only thought he knew his enemy, and he has permitted them to choose the time and place of the battle. His mistake was a reasonable one that anyone could have made. He thought the first battle was over with the election. His enemies made sure it was just the beginning of the battle on their turf where the voters of this nation could not interfere with the outcome they wanted to choose.

Then before he could dismiss dubious advisors his enemies used them against him.

He could not have foreseen the lengths that the FBI and DOJ would go to in order to hamstring his administration. And that Three Date Owl is one revelation that the public needs to be adamant in addressing.

Chris Wallace said it was a QPQ.

He is a climate change denier.

Republicans are abandoning Trump because of wanting the Ukrainian government to investigate election meddling.

He won’t tell Putin to cut it out.

He’s not presidential.

He is embarrassing.

He has successful offspring.

Melania wore high heels.

Melania’s jacket was offensive.