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http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketba...ndance.pdf

Most interesting to note was that the AAC had an average increase of more than 1000 per game. Shows that there's still a lot of room for this conference to grow.

Most of the gains were from Memphis, with Cincinnati and Houston also seeing sizable increases. I think Memphis sees another big attendance jump this year with the recruits they have.

(10-28-2019 11:50 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Most of the gains were from Memphis, with Cincinnati and Houston also seeing sizable increases. I think Memphis sees another big attendance jump this year with the recruits they have.

They might be a bigger draw than the Grizzlies.

(10-28-2019 12:48 PM)RuckleSt Wrote:  

(10-28-2019 11:50 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Most of the gains were from Memphis, with Cincinnati and Houston also seeing sizable increases. I think Memphis sees another big attendance jump this year with the recruits they have.

They might be a bigger draw than the Grizzlies.

I drove through Memphis this weekend. They were advertising a Grizzlies-and-Tigers basketball doubleheader.

Apparently they did the same thing twice last year. The first was Grizzlies-Lakers (Lebron) and Tigers-UAB. The second was Grizzlies-Rockets (James Harden) and Tigers-Volunteers.

(10-28-2019 11:50 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Most of the gains were from Memphis, with Cincinnati and Houston also seeing sizable increases. I think Memphis sees another big attendance jump this year with the recruits they have.

Agreed, Memphis has capacity yet in that arena and they will start filling it regularly if Penny's team shows itself to be in the hunt in the AAC and the nation. They can really help this conference grow its basketball profile.

(10-28-2019 12:53 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-28-2019 12:48 PM)RuckleSt Wrote:  

(10-28-2019 11:50 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Most of the gains were from Memphis, with Cincinnati and Houston also seeing sizable increases. I think Memphis sees another big attendance jump this year with the recruits they have.

They might be a bigger draw than the Grizzlies.

I drove through Memphis this weekend. They were advertising a Grizzlies-and-Tigers basketball doubleheader.

Apparently they did the same thing twice last year. The first was Grizzlies-Lakers (Lebron) and Tigers-UAB. The second was Grizzlies-Rockets (James Harden) and Tigers-Volunteers.

I'm guessing, the Grizzlies are hoping the Tigers will pull in a couple extra fans for them.

USF, Tulane and ECU each has the potential to bring in more fans this year and in future years. I mean it would be impossible to bring in fewer fans, right?

(10-28-2019 06:05 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  USF, Tulane and ECU each has the potential to bring in more fans this year and in future years. I mean it would be impossible to bring in fewer fans, right?

Does Tulane still play in that super small gym?
They are really holding AAC average attendance down.

(10-29-2019 09:24 AM)ucbandguy Wrote:  

(10-28-2019 06:05 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  USF, Tulane and ECU each has the potential to bring in more fans this year and in future years. I mean it would be impossible to bring in fewer fans, right?

Does Tulane still play in that super small gym?
They are really holding AAC average attendance down.

It doesn't matter where they play, they can't fill up their 4100 seat high school gym now.

MEMPHIS 14065
UC 11256
WSU 10194
UCONN 8652
TEMPLE 6211
UH 6052
SMU 5770
UCF 4724
TULSA 4229
ECU 3755
USF 3365
TULANE 1457 Why are they in the league?

(10-29-2019 11:01 AM)doss2 Wrote:  MEMPHIS 14065
UC 11256
WSU 10194
UCONN 8652
TEMPLE 6211
UH 6052
SMU 5770
UCF 4724
TULSA 4229
ECU 3755
USF 3365
TULANE 1457 Why are they in the league?

Good question. I wish we could drop Tulane and Tulsa. Either add one of the service academies to get back to 10 and play a round robin, or try to nab Air Force, BYU, and Boise State as football-only and balance with VCU in all sports. I know neither of these things will ever happen, but a man can dream.

(10-29-2019 11:01 AM)doss2 Wrote:  MEMPHIS 14065
UC 11256
WSU 10194
UCONN 8652
TEMPLE 6211
UH 6052
SMU 5770
UCF 4724
TULSA 4229
ECU 3755
USF 3365
TULANE 1457 Why are they in the league?

Doesn't UConn play in 2 arenas - one on campus one one downtown Hartford (maybe?)?

I like Tulane in the conference. They are the Northwestern, Vandy, Stanford of our conference and the deep south (Yes, I know they are not elite/elite, but still a great school). Add in the fact they are in a great city and fertile recruiting ground and we good.

Now Tulsa I have never really understood the reasoning for their addition? Unfortunately, I have gotten used to them as well, but still:
- A couple spots above Dayton and Lexington for Media Market
- Enrollment=4,682...smaller than Xavier and hard to carry a market or have much of a fan base
- Athletics: Ok
- Academics: Solid, but nothing spectacular #121
- Location: Not in Texas I guess is a plus since we have Dallas and Houston, but do they really carry even a 1/5 of Oklahoma?

(10-29-2019 12:04 PM)bearcatdp Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 11:01 AM)doss2 Wrote:  MEMPHIS 14065
UC 11256
WSU 10194
UCONN 8652
TEMPLE 6211
UH 6052
SMU 5770
UCF 4724
TULSA 4229
ECU 3755
USF 3365
TULANE 1457 Why are they in the league?

Doesn't UConn play in 2 arenas - one on campus one one downtown Hartford (maybe?)?

XL Center formerly the Hartford Civic Center is the bigger 2nd home.

ATTENDANCE RANK


SCHOOL BB FB AVE,
UC 2 5 3.5
MEMPHIS 1 6 3.5
WSU/NAV 3 4 3.5
UCF 8 1 4.5
ECU 10 3 6.5
TEMPLE 5 8 6.5
UCONN 4 9 6.5
UH 6 7 6.5
USF 11 2 6.5
SMU 7 10 8.5
TULSA 9 12 10.5
TULANE 12 11 11.5

Pretty clear who should go away.

(10-29-2019 12:53 PM)natibeast21 Wrote:  I like Tulane in the conference. They are the Northwestern, Vandy, Stanford of our conference and the deep south (Yes, I know they are not elite/elite, but still a great school). Add in the fact they are in a great city and fertile recruiting ground and we good.

Now Tulsa I have never really understood the reasoning for their addition? Unfortunately, I have gotten used to them as well, but still:
- A couple spots above Dayton and Lexington for Media Market
- Enrollment=4,682...smaller than Xavier and hard to carry a market or have much of a fan base
- Athletics: Ok
- Academics: Solid, but nothing spectacular #121
- Location: Not in Texas I guess is a plus since we have Dallas and Houston, but do they really carry even a 1/5 of Oklahoma?

I concur about Tulsa. It was a desperation add after Rutgers and Louisville left to get the conference back up to 12.

As for Tulane, UC and the conference in general does not get any benefit for their conference ranking. Its not like the B10 or the PAC12 were the schools collaborate research with one another. I supposed we could choose to do that, but I am not aware of any schools in the conference which collaborate academically with UC. Tulane is a far cry from Vandy, Wake, Stanford or Northwestern athletically. Those schools are solid to good in football 2-3 of those have great Olympic sports and basketball.

(10-30-2019 10:31 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 12:53 PM)natibeast21 Wrote:  I like Tulane in the conference. They are the Northwestern, Vandy, Stanford of our conference and the deep south (Yes, I know they are not elite/elite, but still a great school). Add in the fact they are in a great city and fertile recruiting ground and we good.

Now Tulsa I have never really understood the reasoning for their addition? Unfortunately, I have gotten used to them as well, but still:
- A couple spots above Dayton and Lexington for Media Market
- Enrollment=4,682...smaller than Xavier and hard to carry a market or have much of a fan base
- Athletics: Ok
- Academics: Solid, but nothing spectacular #121
- Location: Not in Texas I guess is a plus since we have Dallas and Houston, but do they really carry even a 1/5 of Oklahoma?

I concur about Tulsa. It was a desperation add after Rutgers and Louisville left to get the conference back up to 12.

As for Tulane, UC and the conference in general does not get any benefit for their conference ranking. Its not like the B10 or the PAC12 were the schools collaborate research with one another. I supposed we could choose to do that, but I am not aware of any schools in the conference which collaborate academically with UC. Tulane is a far cry from Vandy, Wake, Stanford or Northwestern athletically. Those schools are solid to good in football 2-3 of those have great Olympic sports and basketball.

Good points. I have a soft spot for the Green Wave for whatever reason lol.

(10-30-2019 10:31 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 12:53 PM)natibeast21 Wrote:  I like Tulane in the conference. They are the Northwestern, Vandy, Stanford of our conference and the deep south (Yes, I know they are not elite/elite, but still a great school). Add in the fact they are in a great city and fertile recruiting ground and we good.

Now Tulsa I have never really understood the reasoning for their addition? Unfortunately, I have gotten used to them as well, but still:
- A couple spots above Dayton and Lexington for Media Market
- Enrollment=4,682...smaller than Xavier and hard to carry a market or have much of a fan base
- Athletics: Ok
- Academics: Solid, but nothing spectacular #121
- Location: Not in Texas I guess is a plus since we have Dallas and Houston, but do they really carry even a 1/5 of Oklahoma?

I concur about Tulsa. It was a desperation add after Rutgers and Louisville left to get the conference back up to 12.

As for Tulane, UC and the conference in general does not get any benefit for their conference ranking. Its not like the B10 or the PAC12 were the schools collaborate research with one another. I supposed we could choose to do that, but I am not aware of any schools in the conference which collaborate academically with UC. Tulane is a far cry from Vandy, Wake, Stanford or Northwestern athletically. Those schools are solid to good in football 2-3 of those have great Olympic sports and basketball.

Purely anecdotal evidence, but from a number of business trips to New Orleans along with a visit years ago when UC was in the New Orleans Bowl one December, Tulane has no visibility in town and I'm guessing very little share of mind after pro sports and the 10,000 pound gorilla LSU down the road.

I could almost say the same of UC in Greater Cincinnati thirty years ago. But UC was always much larger, with many more local/regional alumni, a major Medical Center, and a heritage of national championship basketball and much later, New Year's bowl games.

You can't walk through Kenwood Town Center today without seeing people in UC attire; not so 30 years earlier. It takes time, energy and financial resources to build that kind of brand. Tulane could win a whole lot the next few years in NOLA and still not approach the presence UC has here.

So while we can wish and hope that Tulane and Tulsa will build high profile programs and grow their brands, we have to realize that it was a marriage of convenience between those two schools and the AAC when the old Big East corporation (The American) needed teams. They are what they are institutionally and athletically.

So swap them out? For who--UAB and Buffalo? I'd sit tight and see if the American can sustain this year's success with our better brands. And wait for the next realignment to play out.

(10-30-2019 12:23 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(10-30-2019 10:31 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 12:53 PM)natibeast21 Wrote:  I like Tulane in the conference. They are the Northwestern, Vandy, Stanford of our conference and the deep south (Yes, I know they are not elite/elite, but still a great school). Add in the fact they are in a great city and fertile recruiting ground and we good.

Now Tulsa I have never really understood the reasoning for their addition? Unfortunately, I have gotten used to them as well, but still:
- A couple spots above Dayton and Lexington for Media Market
- Enrollment=4,682...smaller than Xavier and hard to carry a market or have much of a fan base
- Athletics: Ok
- Academics: Solid, but nothing spectacular #121
- Location: Not in Texas I guess is a plus since we have Dallas and Houston, but do they really carry even a 1/5 of Oklahoma?

I concur about Tulsa. It was a desperation add after Rutgers and Louisville left to get the conference back up to 12.

As for Tulane, UC and the conference in general does not get any benefit for their conference ranking. Its not like the B10 or the PAC12 were the schools collaborate research with one another. I supposed we could choose to do that, but I am not aware of any schools in the conference which collaborate academically with UC. Tulane is a far cry from Vandy, Wake, Stanford or Northwestern athletically. Those schools are solid to good in football 2-3 of those have great Olympic sports and basketball.

Purely anecdotal evidence, but from a number of business trips to New Orleans along with a visit years ago when UC was in the New Orleans Bowl one December, Tulane has no visibility in town and I'm guessing very little share of mind after pro sports and the 10,000 pound gorilla LSU down the road.

I could almost say the same of UC in Greater Cincinnati thirty years ago. But UC was always much larger, with many more local/regional alumni, a major Medical Center, and a heritage of national championship basketball and much later, New Year's bowl games.

You can't walk through Kenwood Town Center today without seeing people in UC attire; not so 30 years earlier. It takes time, energy and financial resources to build that kind of brand. Tulane could win a whole lot the next few years in NOLA and still not approach the presence UC has here.

So while we can wish and hope that Tulane and Tulsa will build high profile programs and grow their brands, we have to realize that it was a marriage of convenience between those two schools and the AAC when the old Big East corporation (The American) needed teams. They are what they are institutionally and athletically.

So swap them out? For who--UAB and Buffalo? I'd sit tight and see if the American can sustain this year's success with our better brands. And wait for the next realignment to play out.

Swap out-- no. Contraction? Maybe.

(10-30-2019 01:08 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(10-30-2019 12:23 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(10-30-2019 10:31 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 12:53 PM)natibeast21 Wrote:  I like Tulane in the conference. They are the Northwestern, Vandy, Stanford of our conference and the deep south (Yes, I know they are not elite/elite, but still a great school). Add in the fact they are in a great city and fertile recruiting ground and we good.

Now Tulsa I have never really understood the reasoning for their addition? Unfortunately, I have gotten used to them as well, but still:
- A couple spots above Dayton and Lexington for Media Market
- Enrollment=4,682...smaller than Xavier and hard to carry a market or have much of a fan base
- Athletics: Ok
- Academics: Solid, but nothing spectacular #121
- Location: Not in Texas I guess is a plus since we have Dallas and Houston, but do they really carry even a 1/5 of Oklahoma?

I concur about Tulsa. It was a desperation add after Rutgers and Louisville left to get the conference back up to 12.

As for Tulane, UC and the conference in general does not get any benefit for their conference ranking. Its not like the B10 or the PAC12 were the schools collaborate research with one another. I supposed we could choose to do that, but I am not aware of any schools in the conference which collaborate academically with UC. Tulane is a far cry from Vandy, Wake, Stanford or Northwestern athletically. Those schools are solid to good in football 2-3 of those have great Olympic sports and basketball.

Purely anecdotal evidence, but from a number of business trips to New Orleans along with a visit years ago when UC was in the New Orleans Bowl one December, Tulane has no visibility in town and I'm guessing very little share of mind after pro sports and the 10,000 pound gorilla LSU down the road.

I could almost say the same of UC in Greater Cincinnati thirty years ago. But UC was always much larger, with many more local/regional alumni, a major Medical Center, and a heritage of national championship basketball and much later, New Year's bowl games.

You can't walk through Kenwood Town Center today without seeing people in UC attire; not so 30 years earlier. It takes time, energy and financial resources to build that kind of brand. Tulane could win a whole lot the next few years in NOLA and still not approach the presence UC has here.

So while we can wish and hope that Tulane and Tulsa will build high profile programs and grow their brands, we have to realize that it was a marriage of convenience between those two schools and the AAC when the old Big East corporation (The American) needed teams. They are what they are institutionally and athletically.

So swap them out? For who--UAB and Buffalo? I'd sit tight and see if the American can sustain this year's success with our better brands. And wait for the next realignment to play out.

Swap out-- no. Contraction? Maybe.

Yep; a better alternative for sure. Divisions could then go away and with UCONN already out of the picture next year, the remaining schools all have the expectation to compete at a reasonably high level.