(10-29-2019 01:29 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: The operation to kill Baghdadi was secret.
lol....so SCIF testimony is "public". Absolutely amazing what these wild eyed liberals can convince themselves of.
Knock it off, you know damned well what I meant. But what's actually more amazing, and sad, is you guys believing this nonsensical line from schmucks like Jim Jordan who are in the damned hearings they claim to know nothing about!
This is not hard to understand---yet liberals who want to use secret hearing to smear the current president simply wont admit it.
If its not available to the public---its SECRET. Most normal Americans understand that simple truth----The wild eyed liberal pitch fork mob---not so much.
IT'S AVAILABLE TO ELECTED REPUBLICANS ACTING ON YOUR BEHALF. No, you don't get to see everything, nor should you.
BECAUSE THAT WOULD DESTROY THE NARRATIVE THAT TOM AND THE LEFT HAVE THAT TRUMP IS A BAD ORANGE MAN.
(10-29-2019 01:21 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: Regarding Sondland and perjury Here's one article. There's plenty more on the Google machine.
Quote:Testimony from other witnesses has put the credibility of Trump’s most favorable witness into serious doubt as the White House struggles to define a response to the House’s ongoing impeachment inquiry beyond simply refusing to cooperate with it.
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Democrats have cited Sondland’s repeated memory lapses pertaining to central events surrounding Trump's pressure campaign to get Ukraine to investigate a political rival, Joe Biden.
They raised similar questions about Sondland’s truthfulness following the testimony last week of acting U.S. ambassador to Ukraine William Taylor, who said Sondland had conveyed to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky that the release of U.S. military assistance aid was predicated upon Zelensky publicly committing to the investigations Trump demanded.
But it was the opening statement made public late Monday by Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, Trump's top National Security Council adviser on Ukraine, that had Democrats questioning Sondland's testimony most pointedly.
Sondland testified that “neither Ambassador Bolton, Dr. Hill, nor anyone else in the NSC staff ever expressed any concerns to me about our efforts … or any concerns that we were acting improperly,” referring to former national security adviser John Bolton and former NSC senior Russia director Fiona Hill, who gave her own testimony last week.
Sondland added that if Bolton, Hill, “or any others harbored misgivings about the propriety of what we were doing, they never shared those misgivings with me, then or later.”
According to Vindman, that is not true. In his opening statement, Vindman wrote that he and Hill confronted Sondland on July 10 following a meeting with Ukraine's top national security official. And, according to both Hill and Vindman, Bolton abruptly ended a meeting with Ukraine’s top national security official, Oleksandr Danylyuk, because he was disturbed by Sondland’s comments.
You didnt read the article did you? After making the case for purjury, it goes on to say it would be virtually impossible to prove that Sondland committed purjury......The parade of nothing burgers continues.
Yes, read that. So what? Just because you can't prove it doesn't mean Sondland didn't knowingly lie.
Soooooo, when did you stop beating your wife?
"We can't prove he knowingly lied."
"Hunh. So, then how do you know he knowingly lied, can you prove that?"
"Errrrrr, uhhhhh, no. But MUH FEELS TELL ME HE LIED!
(10-29-2019 01:29 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: The operation to kill Baghdadi was secret.
lol....so SCIF testimony is "public". Absolutely amazing what these wild eyed liberals can convince themselves of.
Knock it off, you know damned well what I meant. But what's actually more amazing, and sad, is you guys believing this nonsensical line from schmucks like Jim Jordan who are in the damned hearings they claim to know nothing about!
This is not hard to understand---yet liberals who want to use secret hearing to smear the current president simply wont admit it.
If its not available to the public---its SECRET. Most normal Americans understand that simple truth----The wild eyed liberal pitch fork mob---not so much.
IT'S AVAILABLE TO ELECTED REPUBLICANS ACTING ON YOUR BEHALF. No, you don't get to see everything, nor should you.
Becasue its "secret", right? lol....cant have it both ways my friend. And its not availble to all our elected reps. Nor is it available to the public---which it should be. This is not a debate over a bridge in Ohio or a new weapons system. This is about overturning a public election. Thats the public's business---although it seems the Democrats dont think elections matter anymore. The polls are now shifting away from the Democrats on the impeachment matter. The Democrats need a way out.
(This post was last modified: 10-29-2019 02:50 PM by Attackcoog.)
(10-29-2019 01:34 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: So, it was “secret” and it was “non-public”, right? What I’m getting at is, what’s the difference?
Secret means you don't know about it. We all know these hearings are happening. The GOP is acting like they have no clue what's happening with the impeachment inquiry when they're right there in the ******* hearings, participating, and asking questions.
Wrong. Thats actually not the definition of secret, the definition is a piece of information that is not generally known or is not known by someone else and should not be told to others.
So while we might know that the hearings are happening, they are still a secret because we dont know whats happening behind doors. If you want to play semantics, we can definitely play semantics.
and no, the GOP is not participating and asking questions, its a democrat lead inquiry, so its actually the democrats that are participating and asking questions. Sure they might be a couple of republicans in the panel, but lets not get misguided here.
And you don't need to know! In case you missed civics, we live in a representative republic. We elect people to act on our behalf, and we have elected officials of both parties participating in these hearings.
And if you honestly believe that the GOP is not asking questions in these hearings, you're a bigger fool than I thought. And if the GOP is not taking their allotted time to ask questions, they're even bigger fools than I thought!
Quote:(CNN)Democrats and Republicans got into a shouting match behind closed doors on Tuesday while interviewing a witness in the impeachment investigation, with Democrats accusing Republicans of trying to out the anonymous whistleblower who sparked the impeachment inquiry, according to five sources from both parties.
House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff objected to a line of questioning from Republicans during the deposition of Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, the National Security Council official in charge of Ukraine policy, charging that the GOP questions were part of an effort to out the whistleblower, sources said.
Here endeth the lessen. Please stop this ridiculous lie. You just look foolish.
and of course you forgot to bold the word... "objected" from your statement...
do you even know what objected means? you look like a fool right now...
Yeah, so what?
Schiff objected to a line of questioning from Republicans that you STILL seem to want to act like isn't happening. The GOP is asking questions. Saying otherwise makes you a complete fool.
Do you deny still that the GOP is asking questions of the witnesses to the three panels conducting the impeachment inquiry?
Simple answer that only requires a one word response from you:
(10-29-2019 01:53 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: Secret means you don't know about it. We all know these hearings are happening. The GOP is acting like they have no clue what's happening with the impeachment inquiry when they're right there in the ******* hearings, participating, and asking questions.
Wrong. Thats actually not the definition of secret, the definition is a piece of information that is not generally known or is not known by someone else and should not be told to others.
So while we might know that the hearings are happening, they are still a secret because we dont know whats happening behind doors. If you want to play semantics, we can definitely play semantics.
and no, the GOP is not participating and asking questions, its a democrat lead inquiry, so its actually the democrats that are participating and asking questions. Sure they might be a couple of republicans in the panel, but lets not get misguided here.
And you don't need to know! In case you missed civics, we live in a representative republic. We elect people to act on our behalf, and we have elected officials of both parties participating in these hearings.
And if you honestly believe that the GOP is not asking questions in these hearings, you're a bigger fool than I thought. And if the GOP is not taking their allotted time to ask questions, they're even bigger fools than I thought!
Quote:(CNN)Democrats and Republicans got into a shouting match behind closed doors on Tuesday while interviewing a witness in the impeachment investigation, with Democrats accusing Republicans of trying to out the anonymous whistleblower who sparked the impeachment inquiry, according to five sources from both parties.
House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff objected to a line of questioning from Republicans during the deposition of Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, the National Security Council official in charge of Ukraine policy, charging that the GOP questions were part of an effort to out the whistleblower, sources said.
Here endeth the lessen. Please stop this ridiculous lie. You just look foolish.
and of course you forgot to bold the word... "objected" from your statement...
do you even know what objected means? you look like a fool right now...
Yeah, so what?
Schiff objected to a line of questioning from Republicans that you STILL seem to want to act like isn't happening. The GOP is asking questions. Saying otherwise makes you a complete fool.
Do you deny still that the GOP is asking questions of the witnesses to the three panels conducting the impeachment inquiry?
Simple answer that only requires a one word response from you:
(10-29-2019 01:34 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: lol....so SCIF testimony is "public". Absolutely amazing what these wild eyed liberals can convince themselves of.
Knock it off, you know damned well what I meant. But what's actually more amazing, and sad, is you guys believing this nonsensical line from schmucks like Jim Jordan who are in the damned hearings they claim to know nothing about!
This is not hard to understand---yet liberals who want to use secret hearing to smear the current president simply wont admit it.
If its not available to the public---its SECRET. Most normal Americans understand that simple truth----The wild eyed liberal pitch fork mob---not so much.
IT'S AVAILABLE TO ELECTED REPUBLICANS ACTING ON YOUR BEHALF. No, you don't get to see everything, nor should you.
Becasue its "secret", right? lol....cant have it both ways my friend. And its not availble to all our elected reps. Nor is it available to the public---which it should be. This is not a debate over a bridge in Ohio or a new weapons system. This is about overturning a public election. Thats the public's business---although it seems the Democrats dont think elections matter anymore. The polls are now shifting away from the Democrats on the impeachment matter. The Democrats need a way out.
No, it's not. Nothing that happens in these inquiries, nor any subsequent vote on articles of impeachment in the house, nor any subsequent vote on impeachment in the Senate overturns the 2016 election which trump won.
Saying otherwise is moronic.
And again, the GOP is participating in these hearings. Congress conducts non-public hearings ALL THE TIME.
Did you see all the data when Ken Starr was investigating Clinton? Did you see all the Benghazi hearings? No, you didn't.
(This post was last modified: 10-29-2019 02:57 PM by Redwingtom.)
(10-29-2019 02:10 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote: Wrong. Thats actually not the definition of secret, the definition is a piece of information that is not generally known or is not known by someone else and should not be told to others.
So while we might know that the hearings are happening, they are still a secret because we dont know whats happening behind doors. If you want to play semantics, we can definitely play semantics.
and no, the GOP is not participating and asking questions, its a democrat lead inquiry, so its actually the democrats that are participating and asking questions. Sure they might be a couple of republicans in the panel, but lets not get misguided here.
And you don't need to know! In case you missed civics, we live in a representative republic. We elect people to act on our behalf, and we have elected officials of both parties participating in these hearings.
And if you honestly believe that the GOP is not asking questions in these hearings, you're a bigger fool than I thought. And if the GOP is not taking their allotted time to ask questions, they're even bigger fools than I thought!
Quote:(CNN)Democrats and Republicans got into a shouting match behind closed doors on Tuesday while interviewing a witness in the impeachment investigation, with Democrats accusing Republicans of trying to out the anonymous whistleblower who sparked the impeachment inquiry, according to five sources from both parties.
House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff objected to a line of questioning from Republicans during the deposition of Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, the National Security Council official in charge of Ukraine policy, charging that the GOP questions were part of an effort to out the whistleblower, sources said.
Here endeth the lessen. Please stop this ridiculous lie. You just look foolish.
and of course you forgot to bold the word... "objected" from your statement...
do you even know what objected means? you look like a fool right now...
Yeah, so what?
Schiff objected to a line of questioning from Republicans that you STILL seem to want to act like isn't happening. The GOP is asking questions. Saying otherwise makes you a complete fool.
Do you deny still that the GOP is asking questions of the witnesses to the three panels conducting the impeachment inquiry?
Simple answer that only requires a one word response from you:
YES
or
NO
one republican asking questions ≠ GOP...
C'mon dude, you know ******* well that the GOP members on these panels are all given their time to ask questions. Why keep playing ignorant? Simply unbelievable. I'll soon be left with about one right leaning poster here capable of honest dialogue. Sad.
(This post was last modified: 10-29-2019 02:56 PM by Redwingtom.)
(10-29-2019 02:38 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: And you don't need to know! In case you missed civics, we live in a representative republic. We elect people to act on our behalf, and we have elected officials of both parties participating in these hearings.
And if you honestly believe that the GOP is not asking questions in these hearings, you're a bigger fool than I thought. And if the GOP is not taking their allotted time to ask questions, they're even bigger fools than I thought!
Here endeth the lessen. Please stop this ridiculous lie. You just look foolish.
and of course you forgot to bold the word... "objected" from your statement...
do you even know what objected means? you look like a fool right now...
Yeah, so what?
Schiff objected to a line of questioning from Republicans that you STILL seem to want to act like isn't happening. The GOP is asking questions. Saying otherwise makes you a complete fool.
Do you deny still that the GOP is asking questions of the witnesses to the three panels conducting the impeachment inquiry?
Simple answer that only requires a one word response from you:
YES
or
NO
one republican asking questions ≠ GOP...
C'mon dude, you know ******* well that the GOP members on these panels are all given their time to ask questions. Why keep playing ignorant? Simply unbelievable.
why are you being so ignorant to the fact that their questions are often objected by the head of the panel, or the fact that this meeting is actually a secret?
(10-29-2019 01:29 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: The operation to kill Baghdadi was secret.
So, it was “secret” and it was “non-public”, right? What I’m getting at is, what’s the difference?
Secret means you don't know about it. We all know these hearings are happening. The GOP is acting like they have no clue what's happening with the impeachment inquiry when they're right there in the ******* hearings, participating, and asking questions.
Wrong. Thats actually not the definition of secret, the definition is a piece of information that is not generally known or is not known by someone else and should not be told to others.
So while we might know that the hearings are happening, they are still a secret because we dont know whats happening behind doors. If you want to play semantics, we can definitely play semantics.
and no, the GOP is not participating and asking questions, its a democrat lead inquiry, so its actually the democrats that are participating and asking questions. Sure they might be a couple of republicans in the panel, but lets not get misguided here.
And you don't need to know! In case you missed civics, we live in a representative republic. We elect people to act on our behalf, and we have elected officials of both parties participating in these hearings.
And if you honestly believe that the GOP is not asking questions in these hearings, you're a bigger fool than I thought. And if the GOP is not taking their allotted time to ask questions, they're even bigger fools than I thought!
Quote:(CNN)Democrats and Republicans got into a shouting match behind closed doors on Tuesday while interviewing a witness in the impeachment investigation, with Democrats accusing Republicans of trying to out the anonymous whistleblower who sparked the impeachment inquiry, according to five sources from both parties.
House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff objected to a line of questioning from Republicans during the deposition of Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, the National Security Council official in charge of Ukraine policy, charging that the GOP questions were part of an effort to out the whistleblower, sources said.
Here endeth the lessen. Please stop this ridiculous lie. You just look foolish.
lol
So you just confirmed that the congenital liar schiffty is controlling the lines of questioning and stopping anything that doesn't fit his pre-determined narrative.
(10-29-2019 02:43 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote: and of course you forgot to bold the word... "objected" from your statement...
do you even know what objected means? you look like a fool right now...
Yeah, so what?
Schiff objected to a line of questioning from Republicans that you STILL seem to want to act like isn't happening. The GOP is asking questions. Saying otherwise makes you a complete fool.
Do you deny still that the GOP is asking questions of the witnesses to the three panels conducting the impeachment inquiry?
Simple answer that only requires a one word response from you:
YES
or
NO
one republican asking questions ≠ GOP...
C'mon dude, you know ******* well that the GOP members on these panels are all given their time to ask questions. Why keep playing ignorant? Simply unbelievable.
why are you being so ignorant to the fact that their questions are often objected by the head of the panel, or the fact that this meeting is actually a secret?
Link?
And you do realize that you've just contradicted yourself, right?
(10-29-2019 02:38 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: And you don't need to know! In case you missed civics, we live in a representative republic. We elect people to act on our behalf, and we have elected officials of both parties participating in these hearings.
And if you honestly believe that the GOP is not asking questions in these hearings, you're a bigger fool than I thought. And if the GOP is not taking their allotted time to ask questions, they're even bigger fools than I thought!
Here endeth the lessen. Please stop this ridiculous lie. You just look foolish.
and of course you forgot to bold the word... "objected" from your statement...
do you even know what objected means? you look like a fool right now...
Yeah, so what?
Schiff objected to a line of questioning from Republicans that you STILL seem to want to act like isn't happening. The GOP is asking questions. Saying otherwise makes you a complete fool.
Do you deny still that the GOP is asking questions of the witnesses to the three panels conducting the impeachment inquiry?
Simple answer that only requires a one word response from you:
YES
or
NO
one republican asking questions ≠ GOP...
C'mon dude, you know ******* well that the GOP members on these panels are all given their time to ask questions. Why keep playing ignorant? Simply unbelievable. I'll soon be left with about one right leaning poster here capable of honest dialogue. Sad.
Well we have no liberals capable of honest dialogue---Its closed door testimony in a SCIF and you cant even admit that its secret. Moving on....
(This post was last modified: 10-29-2019 03:03 PM by Attackcoog.)
(10-29-2019 01:53 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: Secret means you don't know about it. We all know these hearings are happening. The GOP is acting like they have no clue what's happening with the impeachment inquiry when they're right there in the ******* hearings, participating, and asking questions.
Wrong. Thats actually not the definition of secret, the definition is a piece of information that is not generally known or is not known by someone else and should not be told to others.
So while we might know that the hearings are happening, they are still a secret because we dont know whats happening behind doors. If you want to play semantics, we can definitely play semantics.
and no, the GOP is not participating and asking questions, its a democrat lead inquiry, so its actually the democrats that are participating and asking questions. Sure they might be a couple of republicans in the panel, but lets not get misguided here.
And you don't need to know! In case you missed civics, we live in a representative republic. We elect people to act on our behalf, and we have elected officials of both parties participating in these hearings.
And if you honestly believe that the GOP is not asking questions in these hearings, you're a bigger fool than I thought. And if the GOP is not taking their allotted time to ask questions, they're even bigger fools than I thought!
Quote:(CNN)Democrats and Republicans got into a shouting match behind closed doors on Tuesday while interviewing a witness in the impeachment investigation, with Democrats accusing Republicans of trying to out the anonymous whistleblower who sparked the impeachment inquiry, according to five sources from both parties.
House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff objected to a line of questioning from Republicans during the deposition of Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, the National Security Council official in charge of Ukraine policy, charging that the GOP questions were part of an effort to out the whistleblower, sources said.
Here endeth the lessen. Please stop this ridiculous lie. You just look foolish.
and of course you forgot to bold the word... "objected" from your statement...
do you even know what objected means? you look like a fool right now...
Yeah, so what?
Schiff objected to a line of questioning from Republicans that you STILL seem to want to act like isn't happening. The GOP is asking questions. Saying otherwise makes you a complete fool.
Do you deny still that the GOP is asking questions of the witnesses to the three panels conducting the impeachment inquiry?
Simple answer that only requires a one word response from you:
YES
or
NO
Sooooo, if a question is asked, but it's not allowed to be answered, has the question really been asked?
(10-29-2019 02:43 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote: and of course you forgot to bold the word... "objected" from your statement...
do you even know what objected means? you look like a fool right now...
Yeah, so what?
Schiff objected to a line of questioning from Republicans that you STILL seem to want to act like isn't happening. The GOP is asking questions. Saying otherwise makes you a complete fool.
Do you deny still that the GOP is asking questions of the witnesses to the three panels conducting the impeachment inquiry?
Simple answer that only requires a one word response from you:
YES
or
NO
one republican asking questions ≠ GOP...
C'mon dude, you know ******* well that the GOP members on these panels are all given their time to ask questions. Why keep playing ignorant? Simply unbelievable. I'll soon be left with about one right leaning poster here capable of honest dialogue. Sad.
Well we have no liberals capable of honest dialogue---just sayin...
Because they've been run off with all the nonsense. I'm about the only one left or willing to still try.
(10-29-2019 02:50 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: Yeah, so what?
Schiff objected to a line of questioning from Republicans that you STILL seem to want to act like isn't happening. The GOP is asking questions. Saying otherwise makes you a complete fool.
Do you deny still that the GOP is asking questions of the witnesses to the three panels conducting the impeachment inquiry?
Simple answer that only requires a one word response from you:
YES
or
NO
one republican asking questions ≠ GOP...
C'mon dude, you know ******* well that the GOP members on these panels are all given their time to ask questions. Why keep playing ignorant? Simply unbelievable. I'll soon be left with about one right leaning poster here capable of honest dialogue. Sad.
Well we have no liberals capable of honest dialogue---just sayin...
Because they've been run off with all the nonsense. I'm about the only one left or willing to still try.
by refusing to acknowledge that an obviously secret hearing held in a SKIF is not "secret"? Yeah. Lets hear it for "honest" liberal dialogue.
(10-29-2019 02:50 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: Yeah, so what?
Schiff objected to a line of questioning from Republicans that you STILL seem to want to act like isn't happening. The GOP is asking questions. Saying otherwise makes you a complete fool.
Do you deny still that the GOP is asking questions of the witnesses to the three panels conducting the impeachment inquiry?
Simple answer that only requires a one word response from you:
YES
or
NO
one republican asking questions ≠ GOP...
C'mon dude, you know ******* well that the GOP members on these panels are all given their time to ask questions. Why keep playing ignorant? Simply unbelievable.
why are you being so ignorant to the fact that their questions are often objected by the head of the panel, or the fact that this meeting is actually a secret?
Link?
And you do realize that you've just contradicted yourself, right?
Contradict this.
BUT MUH GOAT!!!
#ShesFightingBack
(This post was last modified: 10-29-2019 03:07 PM by UofMstateU.)
(10-29-2019 02:52 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote: one republican asking questions ≠ GOP...
C'mon dude, you know ******* well that the GOP members on these panels are all given their time to ask questions. Why keep playing ignorant? Simply unbelievable. I'll soon be left with about one right leaning poster here capable of honest dialogue. Sad.
Well we have no liberals capable of honest dialogue---just sayin...
Because they've been run off with all the nonsense. I'm about the only one left or willing to still try.
by refusing to acknowledge that an obviously secret hearing held in a SKIF is not "secret"? Yeah. Lets hear it for "honest" liberal dialogue.
A G A I N, I know you can't quite seem to understand this, but american citizens don't get to see everything congress does, nor should they. We're in the "grand jury" phase of the investigation. You don't make this stuff public because it taints the other witnesses. It also prevents clown shows as Gowdy mentions in the clip I posted. All these hearings have the allotted GOP membership and they are permitted to ask questions based on house rules. This is how congress works. Yes, these things are "secret" from us, but they're not secret from the GOP members of these committees, elected to represent us, who keep selling you the line and you keep falling for it. Sad.
(This post was last modified: 10-29-2019 03:12 PM by Redwingtom.)
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