(10-22-2019 11:44 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-22-2019 11:32 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

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12 Cincinnati
13 Memphis
32 Houston
47 Wichita St.
54 Connecticut
55 South Florida
83. SMU
99. Temple
100. UCF
117. Tulsa
132. East Carolina
194. Tulane:

Someone else thinks we will be a lot better. That's even higher than I would have put us at. I would have probably conservatively ranked us somewhere around 175 until I see them but with a lot of upside and better ceiling.

(10-22-2019 09:39 PM)pesik Wrote:  - freshman tristen newton will surpise some people, really young, can be special when he adds weight as a 6'5 point guard

This is what I most wanted to hear that he was doing well. Most importantly he also said he doesn't make many mistakes which is what we need without Robinson from the PG position just for it to be a neutral/steady early, and just let Gardner and the other talent and size around it win out in the OOC as much as we are on the road in November.

When you average 38 ppg on a top 5 team in Texas 5A like Newton and get to within a game of the state championship and score 3000+ points in your career you would think it would be hard to surprise people but apparently it still is with this guy. I hadn't really expected him to play much this year with all the older options we brought in over him like Robinson and just Point guard being a tricky position for freshman early making mistakes, but hopefully this injury is an opportunity he can run with.

(10-23-2019 08:17 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-22-2019 09:39 PM)pesik Wrote:  - freshman tristen newton will surpise some people, really young, can be special when he adds weight as a 6'5 point guard

This is what I most wanted to hear that he was doing well. Most importantly he also said he doesn't make many mistakes which is what we need without Robinson from the PG position just for it to be a neutral/steady early, and just let Gardner and the other talent and size around it win out in the OOC as much as we are on the road in November.

When you average 38 ppg on a top 5 team in Texas 5A like Newton and get to within a game of the state championship and score 3000+ points in your career you would think it would be hard to surprise people but apparently it still is with this guy. I hadn't really expected him to play much this year with all the older options we brought in over him like Robinson and just Point guard being a tricky position for freshman early making mistakes, but hopefully this injury is an opportunity he can run with.

According to 247 Sports, Newton is unrated, but had offers from Evansville, Jackson St, Northeastern, and Tx Rio Grande Valley.

https://247sports.com/Player/Tristen-New...ol-234532/

(10-23-2019 08:45 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(10-23-2019 08:17 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-22-2019 09:39 PM)pesik Wrote:  - freshman tristen newton will surpise some people, really young, can be special when he adds weight as a 6'5 point guard

This is what I most wanted to hear that he was doing well. Most importantly he also said he doesn't make many mistakes which is what we need without Robinson from the PG position just for it to be a neutral/steady early, and just let Gardner and the other talent and size around it win out in the OOC as much as we are on the road in November.

When you average 38 ppg on a top 5 team in Texas 5A like Newton and get to within a game of the state championship and score 3000+ points in your career you would think it would be hard to surprise people but apparently it still is with this guy. I hadn't really expected him to play much this year with all the older options we brought in over him like Robinson and just Point guard being a tricky position for freshman early making mistakes, but hopefully this injury is an opportunity he can run with.

According to 247 Sports, Newton is unrated, but had offers from Evansville, Jackson St, Northeastern, and Tx Rio Grande Valley.

https://247sports.com/Player/Tristen-New...ol-234532/

No $hit, that's the entire point. It's like no one knew about him or cared if they did which is baffling for a guy that's an insanely athletic 6-5 Point guard with his statline, leading a top ranked team in Texas and with these crazy highlights.





I think he's a steal of a recruit. Roccaforte in an interview last week was pretty giddy sounding when talking about the story of how he got him. He said he got tipped off that there was this 6-5 Point guard that can "get his shot at anytime" you might want to look at. He was like, yeah we can use one of those. It was almost like what am I missing here everyone needs those guy. Pretty much implied he was slept on.

(10-23-2019 08:58 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-23-2019 08:45 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(10-23-2019 08:17 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-22-2019 09:39 PM)pesik Wrote:  - freshman tristen newton will surpise some people, really young, can be special when he adds weight as a 6'5 point guard

This is what I most wanted to hear that he was doing well. Most importantly he also said he doesn't make many mistakes which is what we need without Robinson from the PG position just for it to be a neutral/steady early, and just let Gardner and the other talent and size around it win out in the OOC as much as we are on the road in November.

When you average 38 ppg on a top 5 team in Texas 5A like Newton and get to within a game of the state championship and score 3000+ points in your career you would think it would be hard to surprise people but apparently it still is with this guy. I hadn't really expected him to play much this year with all the older options we brought in over him like Robinson and just Point guard being a tricky position for freshman early making mistakes, but hopefully this injury is an opportunity he can run with.

According to 247 Sports, Newton is unrated, but had offers from Evansville, Jackson St, Northeastern, and Tx Rio Grande Valley.

https://247sports.com/Player/Tristen-New...ol-234532/

No $hit, that's the entire point. It's like no one knew about him or cared if they did which is baffling for a guy that's an insanely athletic 6-5 Point guard with his statline and these crazy highlights.





I think he's a steal of a recruit.

Reminds me a lot of how Austin Reaves recruitment went (except Austin had a couple lower end P5 offers). Tall lanky kid scoring a ton against mostly undersized competition. Definitely not a bad thing to be compared to him.

(10-23-2019 08:58 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-23-2019 08:45 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(10-23-2019 08:17 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-22-2019 09:39 PM)pesik Wrote:  - freshman tristen newton will surpise some people, really young, can be special when he adds weight as a 6'5 point guard

This is what I most wanted to hear that he was doing well. Most importantly he also said he doesn't make many mistakes which is what we need without Robinson from the PG position just for it to be a neutral/steady early, and just let Gardner and the other talent and size around it win out in the OOC as much as we are on the road in November.

When you average 38 ppg on a top 5 team in Texas 5A like Newton and get to within a game of the state championship and score 3000+ points in your career you would think it would be hard to surprise people but apparently it still is with this guy. I hadn't really expected him to play much this year with all the older options we brought in over him like Robinson and just Point guard being a tricky position for freshman early making mistakes, but hopefully this injury is an opportunity he can run with.

According to 247 Sports, Newton is unrated, but had offers from Evansville, Jackson St, Northeastern, and Tx Rio Grande Valley.

https://247sports.com/Player/Tristen-New...ol-234532/

No $hit, that's the entire point. It's like no one knew about him or cared even if they did hear about him, which is baffling for a guy that's an insanely athletic 6-5 Point guard with his statline and these crazy highlights.





I think he's a steal of a recruit. A Texas Tech assistant tipped Roccaforte off on him and in the interview last we he was giddy when talking about him when he said they told him he's a 6-5 guy that can get his shot at anytime, it was almost like what am I missing everyone needs that guy.

It is very unusual these days for a good player to escape the notice of coaches and the media. There is likely either serious flaws in his game or he did not take exposure steps (eg, AAU).

(10-23-2019 08:00 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-22-2019 11:44 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-22-2019 11:32 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

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12 Cincinnati
13 Memphis
32 Houston
47 Wichita St.
54 Connecticut
55 South Florida
83. SMU
99. Temple
100. UCF
117. Tulsa
132. East Carolina
194. Tulane:

Someone else thinks we will be a lot better. That's even higher than I would have put us at. I would have probably conservatively ranked us somewhere around 175 until I see them but with a lot of upside and better ceiling.

Also CBS has my respect, they obviously did some homework on our 11 guys if they rated this high, and not the typical lazy previews I've been seeing saying that we were screwed because we lost all these players and have all this turnover, when infact those players sucked and it's pretty evident in the places they transfered too had they done any research.

(10-23-2019 09:08 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(10-23-2019 08:58 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-23-2019 08:45 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(10-23-2019 08:17 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-22-2019 09:39 PM)pesik Wrote:  - freshman tristen newton will surpise some people, really young, can be special when he adds weight as a 6'5 point guard

This is what I most wanted to hear that he was doing well. Most importantly he also said he doesn't make many mistakes which is what we need without Robinson from the PG position just for it to be a neutral/steady early, and just let Gardner and the other talent and size around it win out in the OOC as much as we are on the road in November.

When you average 38 ppg on a top 5 team in Texas 5A like Newton and get to within a game of the state championship and score 3000+ points in your career you would think it would be hard to surprise people but apparently it still is with this guy. I hadn't really expected him to play much this year with all the older options we brought in over him like Robinson and just Point guard being a tricky position for freshman early making mistakes, but hopefully this injury is an opportunity he can run with.

According to 247 Sports, Newton is unrated, but had offers from Evansville, Jackson St, Northeastern, and Tx Rio Grande Valley.

https://247sports.com/Player/Tristen-New...ol-234532/

No $hit, that's the entire point. It's like no one knew about him or cared even if they did hear about him, which is baffling for a guy that's an insanely athletic 6-5 Point guard with his statline and these crazy highlights.





I think he's a steal of a recruit. A Texas Tech assistant tipped Roccaforte off on him and in the interview last we he was giddy when talking about him when he said they told him he's a 6-5 guy that can get his shot at anytime, it was almost like what am I missing everyone needs that guy.

It is very unusual these days for a good player to escape the notice of coaches and the media. There is likely either serious flaws in his game or he did not take exposure steps (eg, AAU).

Whatever reason it was I don't even care and I'm glad he's here. The only knock at all might have been the 3 point shooting but Dooley even said he was shooting the 3 point ball well in that interview.

I don't even think that should be a surprise either. He wasn't that bad. He was a 32% three point shooter for his high school career with 240 made which is a huge sample, but it's pretty obvious from the 40 minutes of highlights from each of his high school years online that he was taking many shots with incredible difficulty, off the dribble, stepback, from 30 feet etc. Where he doesn't have to be the offense and is held to a better shot selection standard that shouldn't be an issue. He's not going to be shooting 30 footers here much I expect or the same difficulty of shot.

Also he is an incredible FT shooter for any level so that's a good indication the shooting is there to be had. 425-482 FT's made last year for 88% would have ranked him in the top 10 of the NBA even in percentage and even at top 3 volume. Even with the workload he had he made them tired. He's clearly an absolute elite FT shooter and that's a skill that doesn't mater what level he is at, it's the same. You add that with the size and athletic ability and he's got big upside. Most of these 6-5 athletic guys can't even make 65% of their FT's. There is shooting touch there.

(10-23-2019 07:37 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(10-23-2019 07:17 AM)Miggy Wrote:  Freshman UConn SG James Bouknight arrested for Fleeing the scene of an accident, and driving without a driver’s license. HC Hurley says basketball program will impose discipline.

He is a 4 star ranked 66th in the nation.

https://247sports.com/Player/James-Bouknight-46047993/

No playstation for a week.

(10-23-2019 08:58 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-23-2019 08:45 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(10-23-2019 08:17 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-22-2019 09:39 PM)pesik Wrote:  - freshman tristen newton will surpise some people, really young, can be special when he adds weight as a 6'5 point guard

This is what I most wanted to hear that he was doing well. Most importantly he also said he doesn't make many mistakes which is what we need without Robinson from the PG position just for it to be a neutral/steady early, and just let Gardner and the other talent and size around it win out in the OOC as much as we are on the road in November.

When you average 38 ppg on a top 5 team in Texas 5A like Newton and get to within a game of the state championship and score 3000+ points in your career you would think it would be hard to surprise people but apparently it still is with this guy. I hadn't really expected him to play much this year with all the older options we brought in over him like Robinson and just Point guard being a tricky position for freshman early making mistakes, but hopefully this injury is an opportunity he can run with.

According to 247 Sports, Newton is unrated, but had offers from Evansville, Jackson St, Northeastern, and Tx Rio Grande Valley.

https://247sports.com/Player/Tristen-New...ol-234532/

No $hit, that's the entire point. It's like no one knew about him or cared if they did which is baffling for a guy that's an insanely athletic 6-5 Point guard with his statline, leading a top ranked team in Texas and with these crazy highlights.





I think he's a steal of a recruit. Roccaforte in an interview last week was pretty giddy sounding when talking about the story of how he got him. He said he got tipped off that there was this 6-5 Point guard that can "get his shot at anytime" you might want to look at. He was like, yeah we can use one of those. It was almost like what am I missing here everyone needs those guy. Pretty much implied he was slept on.

burgess (his high school) lost the 1st round of the playoff, he wasnt a game off the championship
and like noted before he wasnt some secret numerous d1 coaches went to el paso to check him (including smu), none offered

also the person who tipped him off was a texas tech coach

(10-23-2019 10:13 AM)pesik Wrote:  burgess (his high school) lost the 1st round of the playoff, he wasnt a game off the championship

his high school team was 29-5 last year and ranked #4 in Texas 5A from what I read. It must have been a previous year that he lead them to the semifinals, but I know I found that info somewhere.

He averaged averaged 28.3ppg, 6.8rpg, 4.7apg, 2.9spg as a Junior and 22.8ppg, 6.8rpg, 4.2 apg, 3.0spg as a Sophmore so he was a star regardless and the entire point was his teams were damn good and highly ranked in 5A texas basketball all while he put up insane stats leading them. It changes nothing to the point.

Quote:and like noted before he wasnt some secret numerous d1 coaches went to el paso to check him (including smu), none offered

also the person who tipped him off was a texas tech coach

I'm the one that put that info on this board, duh I know this. Either way he looks like a steal of a recruit and I'm glad these people are blind even as he put up insane stats on highly ranked teams, and insane highlights. Texas Tech was in the National Championship game last year, it's easily understandable how they might not need him. Good to have friends out there though. He was on their radar and they thought he could help us which is what Dooley said, and they have a good eye for talent.

https://www.gosanangelo.com/story/sports...506144002/

29-4 and #5 ranked in 5A last year going into the playoffs. Do forgive me being off by one ranking spot, since I had pulled it from memory since last spring and didn't re-look it up immediately because I didn't expect a fact checker on any of that. If their playoff run wasn't last year it must have been one of the two previous years he was killing it as well. Either way the team was good and he was playing winning basketball even while averaging 38 and 9 last year and had putting up big numbers 2 other years on top of it. Nothing should come as a shock. If he ends up damn good here it wont surprise me at all and if he was on SMU's team I would say the exact same thing months ago after he came to my awareness.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_conti...Ay22CPbxp8

Fred Van Vleet's Opening Night Highlights

While Fred will never reach the heights of Wiseman's status, he scored 34 points and had 7 Assists last night on opening Night in the NBA. He wasn't even drafted in the first two rounds and may never be an NBA All Star, but anyone can see his value to the Raptors has increased in his two NBA years. Last year he was a valuable presence in the NBA Championship Finals, and averaged 14 points during the Finals. While he may never be an NBA All Star, last night he started, and we will see how far he goes during his career, but he had a great night last night.

(10-23-2019 11:04 AM)Shockit Wrote:  While Fred will never reach the heights of Wiseman's status, he scored 34 points and had 7 Assists last night on opening Night in the NBA.

You don't know that. There are bust in the top 5 of the NBA draft every year much less with a guy who hasn't played a college game yet. How many of these can't miss 7footers coming out of high school have done nothing in the NBA even if they were drafted high? Tons.

Van Fleet already has an established career averaging 11ppg and 5apg on NBA champ at 24 years old, lots of people would take that floor of an NBA career all day everyday, and he still has a few years to improve more.

What impressed me is he started at Shooting Guard last night, or I guess you could say 6-1 Lowry did depending on how you want to allocated their roles. He was playing off the ball a lot at 5-11 or whatever he really is.

These player rankings and draft positions aren't everything, just look at the Raptors roster and what all the guys were drafted. Even Kawhi was 15th outside of the lottery and the MVP Giannis was outside the lottery too in the overall league.

(10-23-2019 11:37 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-23-2019 11:04 AM)Shockit Wrote:  While Fred will never reach the heights of Wiseman's status, he scored 34 points and had 7 Assists last night on opening Night in the NBA.

You don't know that. There are bust in the top 5 of the NBA draft every year much less with a guy who hasn't played a college game yet. How many of these can't miss 7footers coming out of high school have done nothing in the NBA even if they were drafted high? Tons.

Van Fleet already has an established career averaging 11ppg and 5apg on NBA champ at 24 years old, lots of people would take that floor of an NBA career all day everyday, and he still has a few years to improve more.

What impressed me is he started at Shooting Guard last night, or I guess you could say 6-1 Lowry did depending on how you want to allocated their roles. He was playing off the ball a lot at 5-11 or whatever he really is.

Fred can very well play himself into a Max contract this year

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(10-23-2019 11:40 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(10-23-2019 11:37 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-23-2019 11:04 AM)Shockit Wrote:  While Fred will never reach the heights of Wiseman's status, he scored 34 points and had 7 Assists last night on opening Night in the NBA.

You don't know that. There are bust in the top 5 of the NBA draft every year much less with a guy who hasn't played a college game yet. How many of these can't miss 7footers coming out of high school have done nothing in the NBA even if they were drafted high? Tons.

Van Fleet already has an established career averaging 11ppg and 5apg on NBA champ at 24 years old, lots of people would take that floor of an NBA career all day everyday, and he still has a few years to improve more.

What impressed me is he started at Shooting Guard last night, or I guess you could say 6-1 Lowry did depending on how you want to allocated their roles. He was playing off the ball a lot at 5-11 or whatever he really is.

Fred can very well play himself into a Max contract this year

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I wouldn't go that far, but he I think he will get above average starter money, like 18-20 million if he keeps playing like he did last year with some improvement. PG is a little underpaid relative the bigger positions, just because there are so many of them and fewer quality wings.

https://youtu.be/WOMZiKG9x2c

sampson explains his defensive philosophy (this is an x and os podcast meant for coaches)

summary while avoiding going too deep: (its really ong and informative, summary only covers a very small bit)--

- the key to his defensive philosophy is doubling everyone in the post, that he calls "monster"-- very unique philosophy
- talk how teams are trying to prevent it and how it works...also its retreats
- the key to beating it is not being a great low post scorer, its being a great low post passer, which is rare for big

- the reasons last year's defense was so good, was because corey and galen knew how to stop players off the dribble and stay in front. its hard to spread the floor without that, thats the sole part of his defense that needs talent..everything else is schematic and can be done by anyone

- notes most guards are 1 move guards, winning the "1st dribble" is essential ...help defense must never fail or the whole scheme falls apart..must work on it every practice

- can't make a bad defender great but can make him better with improving their stance and confidence ..

- good teams talk on the court, bad teams are quiet...must be emphasized

- our guards will be posting up, difference from last year to this year with new size

- when recruiting must have a "a leader" in every class who values winning and will do whatever it takes to winning ...
-- has constant competitions in practice, playing hard is not good enough, are you competing to win...part of the culture

- talent, toughness and togetherness are his keys to winning..need atleast 2 be good, 3 to be championship caliber

- identify your best player, every team has one and coach them the hardest

- every system has a weakness, its give and take .. Sampson emphasizes offensive rebounding, so knows his transition defense is going to be a weakness..notes how virginia is the opposite
- experimented in italy; completely abandoned transition D, had all 5 crash the offensive boards...extremely successful, only 4 points total in all games were given up because of that, but had 11 extra possessions above normal, might attempt in real games

- we'll shoot way less 3s, but we werent a 3pt shooting team, we just had elite shooters last year and played to our strength

- college coaches are really bad at spacing compared to the nba

(10-23-2019 11:40 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(10-23-2019 11:37 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-23-2019 11:04 AM)Shockit Wrote:  While Fred will never reach the heights of Wiseman's status, he scored 34 points and had 7 Assists last night on opening Night in the NBA.

You don't know that. There are bust in the top 5 of the NBA draft every year much less with a guy who hasn't played a college game yet. How many of these can't miss 7footers coming out of high school have done nothing in the NBA even if they were drafted high? Tons.

Van Fleet already has an established career averaging 11ppg and 5apg on NBA champ at 24 years old, lots of people would take that floor of an NBA career all day everyday, and he still has a few years to improve more.

What impressed me is he started at Shooting Guard last night, or I guess you could say 6-1 Lowry did depending on how you want to allocated their roles. He was playing off the ball a lot at 5-11 or whatever he really is.

Fred can very well play himself into a Max contract this year

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Fred ain't dead ... That's what I said !!

(10-23-2019 11:40 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(10-23-2019 11:37 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-23-2019 11:04 AM)Shockit Wrote:  While Fred will never reach the heights of Wiseman's status, he scored 34 points and had 7 Assists last night on opening Night in the NBA.

You don't know that. There are bust in the top 5 of the NBA draft every year much less with a guy who hasn't played a college game yet. How many of these can't miss 7footers coming out of high school have done nothing in the NBA even if they were drafted high? Tons.

Van Fleet already has an established career averaging 11ppg and 5apg on NBA champ at 24 years old, lots of people would take that floor of an NBA career all day everyday, and he still has a few years to improve more.

What impressed me is he started at Shooting Guard last night, or I guess you could say 6-1 Lowry did depending on how you want to allocated their roles. He was playing off the ball a lot at 5-11 or whatever he really is.

Fred can very well play himself into a Max contract this year

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I'm sure there are a couple dumb GM's with cap space eating a hole in their pockets. That doesn't mean Fred deserves the max though.

(10-23-2019 04:21 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(10-23-2019 11:40 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(10-23-2019 11:37 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-23-2019 11:04 AM)Shockit Wrote:  While Fred will never reach the heights of Wiseman's status, he scored 34 points and had 7 Assists last night on opening Night in the NBA.

You don't know that. There are bust in the top 5 of the NBA draft every year much less with a guy who hasn't played a college game yet. How many of these can't miss 7footers coming out of high school have done nothing in the NBA even if they were drafted high? Tons.

Van Fleet already has an established career averaging 11ppg and 5apg on NBA champ at 24 years old, lots of people would take that floor of an NBA career all day everyday, and he still has a few years to improve more.

What impressed me is he started at Shooting Guard last night, or I guess you could say 6-1 Lowry did depending on how you want to allocated their roles. He was playing off the ball a lot at 5-11 or whatever he really is.

Fred can very well play himself into a Max contract this year

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I'm sure there are a couple dumb GM's with cap space eating a hole in their pockets. That doesn't mean Fred deserves the max though.

Depends. If plays like he has been since the finals last year... He probably deserves it.

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