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(09-23-2019 06:46 PM)Tribal Wrote:  Well...well...well.


https://www.change.org/p/college-of-will...u/25096313

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Interesting. I know the story has been out for some time that a "donor" funded the Shaver buy out. Aside from the "big money", I am curious as to the head count of past donors that decided this year not to donate. Not any difference made up, but actual loss of donors.
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(09-19-2019 03:53 PM)bubbadog57 Wrote:  This is a merry-go-round discussion that has become redundant . It appears we don't really know what happened or what didn't. At this point it's supposition one way or the other and, at this point, it is a dead issue.

(09-23-2019 06:46 PM)Tribal Wrote:  Well...well...well.

https://www.change.org/p/college-of-will...u/25096313

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How much is Huge paying Bubba? Maybe that is where all the money has gone.
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(09-23-2019 06:55 PM)TribeNomad Wrote:  
(09-23-2019 06:46 PM)Tribal Wrote:  Well...well...well.


https://www.change.org/p/college-of-will...u/25096313

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Interesting. I know the story has been out for some time that a "donor" funded the Shaver buy out. Aside from the "big money", I am curious as to the head count of past donors that decided this year not to donate. Not any difference made up, but actual loss of donors.

My sources say that the number is Huge.
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Yesterday was the cutoff for mbb season tickets, correct? I'd love to see the numbers

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(09-24-2019 09:41 AM)Tribal Wrote:  Yesterday was the cutoff for mbb season tickets, correct? I'd love to see the numbers

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I got mine yesterday at the ticket office. The lady there indicated that they were down. With price increase and minimum donation requirements, I am not surprised. To think the price of my tickets were 65.00 per ticket l, now 160.00!!
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Ouch. An opion piece, but nonetheless...

To save you the trouble, the author's daughter swims for W&M.


https://www.dailypress.com/virginiagazet...story.html
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I don't know why the Gazette has this vendetta against Huge. But it's certainly different than the department's media relationships of the past.

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Gazette merely published a mom's opinion

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The opinion piece just got faxed to me by a frat brother, so it’s getting circulated beyond the cozy confines of this community.

Whoever is going to Tribe Talks on Friday should bring this letter up, and get the AD to comment on it.

So, it’s the swim team, and the swim program, co-ed, that has the high ground academically and athletically, has the correct argument re: diversion of resources, and the willingness to go public. This is / will be a problem, and needs to be correctly handled.

Even the Dance people can not justify the swim program getting the shaft just so we can write “William & Mary” on a MBB dance card.

I will say it again ... I have no problem increasing the funding for MBB, but not at the expense of other sports. That is a red line for me.
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Consider, for a moment, how bad it has gotten that a parent of a current student-athlete wrote something like this for public consumption. Not a middle-age angry male messageboard fanatic. The mother of a current student-athlete. Do you think it was Dr. Olszewski's first attempt to have her voice heard? How many times, do you reckon, did she attempt to discuss her issues with AD Samantha Huge before she became so frustrated, she felt the need to go public?





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(10-13-2019 09:12 PM)Tribal Wrote:  Consider, for a moment, how bad it has gotten that a parent of a current student-athlete wrote something like this for public consumption. Not a middle-age angry male messageboard fanatic. The mother of a current student-athlete. Do you think it was Dr. Olszewski's first attempt to have her voice heard? How many times, do you reckon, did she attempt to discuss her issues with AD Samantha Huge before she became so frustrated, she felt the need to go public?

Did you mean how many times did she talk to Huge (and others maybe?) and not get the response she wanted? There's no conspiracy or behind-the-scenes skullduggery preventing W&M swimming from getting the money it would otherwise get. This is the administration's stated policy after spending a significant amount of time and resources making a plan. The "article" could have just been "W&M swimming wins a lot and doesn't get money because it can't make any money, and I'm mad that nobody will change that."
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I re-read the article in light of your take. I suggest you do the same.

“Bleeding resources” and “commercialization” are the key phrases.

If this is the Administration’s “stated policy”, please be so kind as to direct me to that document.

Take your head out of the sand.

Prices have increased. Administrators and consultants have been added. Long-time coaches and administrators have been shown the door, have left, or have retired. There was a general scholarship fiasco. The quality of the soccer teams have vanished, coincident with the new Administration. The swim program is in revolt. A portion of the MBB program fan base is in revolt, and the school is “starting over” from a talent perspective staring the school in the face for the 2020-2021 MBB season. Football attendance through three home games is pitiful. (BTW, that’s 2 of the big 3). The tailgating conversations as to the direction of athletics at W&M are not good.

Have I missed anything? Oh yes, we’re doing very well on diversity! Well tell that to this mother who had the guts to publicly call out the school, while her child is a member of a team being affected. One could argue that this mother “gets it” more than the Administration ... let that sink in!

Know any swim alumni? I do. The situation that the swim program is being put into by this Administration is not sitting well. It is further opening the eyes of other alumni who were non-plussed over the treatment of Shaver, who themselves had been non-plussed over the treatment of other long-time members of the Athletics Department.

The school is now looking at rumblings from the media, alumni, former athletes, parents of athletes, and the athletes themselves. In no way, shape or form, is this a healthy situation.

Instead of gradual change over a period of time befitting a three hundred year old institution, the W&M athletics program has been force-fed massive changes over a short period of time befitting the schedule of an administrator with other potential steps to climb on a career ladder. All this at a time when the state government is funding 11% of operations, according to the latest “beg” from W&M that I received in the mail this week.

If this “new stuff” doesn’t work, there will be a lot of broken pieces left for us to clean up when the next Administration comes to town.

In conclusion, I fully expect to be impressed with an announcement this week about the wonderful changes to Kaplan. That will be very welcome news, and kudos to the AD. But that news will not change the fact that, at W&M, athletes and coaches for a myriad of sports have always flourished despite tight money restrictions, and that seems to be changing, for the worse.

It profit not a man to sell his soul, nor a woman to sell her soul, for the whole world, but to sell the “soul” of a college athletics department for three sports, and a ticket to the Dance?
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Just wait until she starts cutting sports. I actually don't think she has the guts to play that card yet, but when the big donor for Kaplan is announced this weekend, who knows.
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(10-14-2019 05:55 AM)Tribe32 Wrote:  Just wait until she starts cutting sports. I actually don't think she has the guts to play that card yet, but when the big donor for Kaplan is announced this weekend, who knows.

W&M has 23 sports teams and generated $28.4M in revenue. Delaware has 21 sports teams and $40M in revenue. JMU has 18 teams and $48M in revenue. Towson has 19 teams and $27M in revenue. VT has 22 sports teams and generated $87M in revenue. Huge is going to get blamed for economics being a cold and uncaring beast.
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(10-14-2019 09:13 AM)Rocco Wrote:  W&M has 23 sports teams and generated $28.4M in revenue. Delaware has 21 sports teams and $40M in revenue. JMU has 18 teams and $48M in revenue. Towson has 19 teams and $27M in revenue. VT has 22 sports teams and generated $87M in revenue. Huge is going to get blamed for economics being a cold and uncaring beast.

Maybe I'm missing something obvious but how does UD generate so much more revenue than us? $12M would solve a lot of problems in our athletic department.

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(10-14-2019 09:20 AM)zablenoise Wrote:  
(10-14-2019 09:13 AM)Rocco Wrote:  W&M has 23 sports teams and generated $28.4M in revenue. Delaware has 21 sports teams and $40M in revenue. JMU has 18 teams and $48M in revenue. Towson has 19 teams and $27M in revenue. VT has 22 sports teams and generated $87M in revenue. Huge is going to get blamed for economics being a cold and uncaring beast.

Maybe I'm missing something obvious but how does UD generate so much more revenue than us? $12M would solve a lot of problems in our athletic department.

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http://cafidatabase.knightcommission.org...he_money-1

http://cafidatabase.knightcommission.org...he_money-1

They get about $33M in "government support". There's nothing listed for student fees so I assume some form of that comes from fees on their larger student base.
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(10-14-2019 09:26 AM)Rocco Wrote:  
(10-14-2019 09:20 AM)zablenoise Wrote:  
(10-14-2019 09:13 AM)Rocco Wrote:  W&M has 23 sports teams and generated $28.4M in revenue. Delaware has 21 sports teams and $40M in revenue. JMU has 18 teams and $48M in revenue. Towson has 19 teams and $27M in revenue. VT has 22 sports teams and generated $87M in revenue. Huge is going to get blamed for economics being a cold and uncaring beast.

Maybe I'm missing something obvious but how does UD generate so much more revenue than us? $12M would solve a lot of problems in our athletic department.

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http://cafidatabase.knightcommission.org...he_money-1

http://cafidatabase.knightcommission.org...he_money-1

They get about $33M in "government support". There's nothing listed for student fees so I assume some form of that comes from fees on their larger student base.
Wow thanks Rocco. Those charts are highly illustrative.

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If this whiner, loser, parent is so upset; why doesn’t she leave and transfer her snowflake to a pool where she can swim in bliss? This is absurd! The numbers talk and all this BS walks. Huge is trying to build something meaningful. If successful, she’ll be gone. That’s the way it works. We’re lucky to have her.
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(10-14-2019 10:37 AM)SoCal Frank Wrote:  If this whiner, loser, parent is so upset; why doesn’t she leave and transfer her snowflake to a pool where she can swim in bliss? This is absurd! The numbers talk and all this BS walks. Huge is trying to build something meaningful. If successful, she’ll be gone. That’s the way it works. We’re lucky to have her.

I posted this in another thread, but I think many people are missing the fact that Huge was hired to do what she's doing. She wasn't hired to continue the status quo. She was hired to improve performance of the sports that draw the most attention, with the hope that this will enhance the reputation of and benefit the college as a whole. The President who hired her, and the current president, are in favor of this plan. The current president is her boss, if she wasn't in favor of it it wouldn't be happening. This isn't just Huge doing things on her own. I doubt any sports will be cut. But resources may be allocated for a period of time. Sometimes change can be hard, but I think in this case it's necessary. You can't compete in basketball and football without sufficient resources. The athletic department had been operating in a college sports world of 30 years ago and needed some updating.
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I think it is a sad state at W&M when you continue to hear "underfunded" athletic program for all programs BUT a few! How are these teams able to recruit talented athletes? How are current athletes in these programs able to stay positive when they know school funds are being significantly put in some areas and not distributed in a reasonable manner? This could be a big reason why there is a divide among the student athletes.

I am not sure what the solution is; however, after reading many posts relating to this topic, the athletic department should take note!
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