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(10-07-2019 01:57 PM)dsquare Wrote:  Frisco Texas or Hawaii, book it.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...ons-week-6

Damn, this Kyle Bonagura is either clueless or he hates UC... a few days after beating UCF he's projecting UC in the AAC's 5th bowl slot against North Texas?

(10-07-2019 01:57 PM)dsquare Wrote:  Frisco Texas or Hawaii, book it.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...ons-week-6

Hey, I like Tropical Smoothie Cafe at least.

(10-07-2019 02:26 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 01:57 PM)dsquare Wrote:  Frisco Texas or Hawaii, book it.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...ons-week-6

Damn, this Kyle Bonagura is either clueless or he hates UC... a few days after beating UCF he's projecting UC in the AAC's 5th bowl slot against North Texas?

These projectors have no clue. I saw one that had USF in a bowl. Look at the schedule and there is no future wins beyond perhaps ECU.

Almost anyone herein could do a better job of predicting.

Cincinnati, UCF, and Memphis are going to be slotted above every other team in the American as those three have largest fan bases. Tulane, Temple, and SMU will be sent wherever the is room.

Win the league and UC will be playing a power 6 team or an undefeated Boise State. Remember a 12-1 finish might be good enough for an at-large. Long way to go but my goal is to win the league.

(10-07-2019 12:20 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  It's so pathetically defeatist to shy away from playing elite teams because we're worried it might keep us from getting into a NY6 over Boise Freaking State. Did everyone suddenly forget what put Boise on the map? All those 11 win seasons would mean far less if they didn't beat Oklahoma. Schedule the best and continue trying to become the best.

boise's only P5 opponent that year was oregon state at HOME. they played oklahoma in a bowl game. as i said before, we should strive for the path that has worked for boise state and focus on going undefeated and then taking our shot in a big bowl game. this "defeatist" strategy proved very successful for the very team you're suggesting we emulate lol, and would work for us as well. this strategy ensures that only your best teams play top opponents on a neutral field, giving you your best possible shot at winning, which again is what boise state did.

(10-07-2019 02:35 PM)doss2 Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 02:26 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 01:57 PM)dsquare Wrote:  Frisco Texas or Hawaii, book it.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...ons-week-6

Damn, this Kyle Bonagura is either clueless or he hates UC... a few days after beating UCF he's projecting UC in the AAC's 5th bowl slot against North Texas?

These projectors have no clue. I saw one that had USF in a bowl. Look at the schedule and there is no future wins beyond perhaps ECU.

Almost anyone herein could do a better job of predicting.

McMurphy has us in the Gasparilla Bowl:

Quote:Gasparilla Bowl – (American vs. C-USA)
Projection: Cincinnati vs. Florida Atlantic

Has locked this in since the beginning of the season. But he also has these projections:

Quote:Military Bowl – (ACC vs. American)
Projection: Florida State vs. Tulane

Liberty Bowl – (Big 12 vs. SEC)
Projection: Oklahoma State vs. Virginia Tech**

Independence Bowl – (ACC vs. SEC)
Projection: North Carolina vs. Wyoming**

**-Replaces team from league that can’t fill bowl.

Now i get that most bowl games don't want repeat participants so maybe that's the thought process of putting Tulane ahead of us but i can't imagine that Tulane fans will travel to the NE for that. Also, that the bowl committees would prefer Wyoming or VA Tech over Cincy. it's not guaranteed that Tech can even make a bowl.

Argued the above for years. Go undefeated and then catch a big brand name opponent in neutral bowl game when they are not as hyped for the game. UCF and Boise did this.

Stop scheduling those games and playoffs will never be a possibility. I realize everyone's already resigned themselves to that fate but frankly I haven't and Id hope the administration hasn't either.

All you can do is what you can do... Win and everything else will take care of itself.

(10-07-2019 05:33 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Stop scheduling those games and playoffs will never be a possibility. I realize everyone's already resigned themselves to that fate but frankly I haven't and Id hope the administration hasn't either.

Only chance at a playoff will come from expanding the field to include an automatic spot for the G5.

Better off going undefeated than take a beating in a buy game.

(10-07-2019 06:59 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 05:33 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Stop scheduling those games and playoffs will never be a possibility. I realize everyone's already resigned themselves to that fate but frankly I haven't and Id hope the administration hasn't either.

Only chance at a playoff will come from expanding the field to include an automatic spot for the G5.

Better off going undefeated than take a beating in a buy game.

An undefeated season with wins over OSU, UFC, Memphis, UCLA, etc... would definitely get the CFP committee’s attention. We actually had a shot this year that none of the past G5 teams had due to the much higher strength of schedule we played compared to those teams.

Unfortunately it just came at the wrong time and against the wrong team. We would be better served playing a good team that is perennial top 25 but not one of the perennial elite teams. Some of the PAC12 teams or B12 teams not names Oklahoma or Texas or a Michigan State or even Michigan team may give us what we need but it would also likely require things fall our way amongst other teams.

(10-07-2019 06:59 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 05:33 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Stop scheduling those games and playoffs will never be a possibility. I realize everyone's already resigned themselves to that fate but frankly I haven't and Id hope the administration hasn't either.

Only chance at a playoff will come from expanding the field to include an automatic spot for the G5.

Better off going undefeated than take a beating in a buy game.

I have no doubt that if we went undefeated against our current schedule we'd be very legitimately in the playoff discussion this year. I also have little doubt that Boise won't be legitimately in that discussion if they go undefeated against their schedule this year. No G5 team is going to get a gift, it will have to be demanded or at least earned based upon performance.

More importantly, what if it's not a "beating"? What if it's the greatest win in school history instead? As discussed in another thread, all games are a function of percentages - even the Washington Generals beat the Globetrotters possibly as many as 6 times for crying out loud.

What % would this UC team in week 2 beat the current OSU team? I don't know, but I do know that a UC team much inferior to this one very nearly beat a National Champion OSU team not all that incredibly long ago. You don't have to sweep a lengthy series with OSU, you just have to have the current game be the one-in-whatever that you actually win. And you can't win a game you don't play.

(10-07-2019 07:57 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 06:59 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 05:33 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Stop scheduling those games and playoffs will never be a possibility. I realize everyone's already resigned themselves to that fate but frankly I haven't and Id hope the administration hasn't either.

Only chance at a playoff will come from expanding the field to include an automatic spot for the G5.

Better off going undefeated than take a beating in a buy game.

I have no doubt that if we went undefeated against our current schedule we'd be very legitimately in the playoff discussion this year. I also have little doubt that Boise won't be legitimately in that discussion if they go undefeated against their schedule this year. No G5 team is going to get a gift, it will have to be demanded or at least earned based upon performance.

More importantly, what if it's not a "beating"? What if it's the greatest win in school history instead? As discussed in another thread, all games are a function of percentages - even the Washington Generals beat the Globetrotters possibly as many as 6 times for crying out loud.

What % would this UC team in week 2 beat the current OSU team? I don't know, but I do know that a UC team much inferior to this one very nearly beat a National Champion OSU team not all that incredibly long ago. You don't have to sweep a lengthy series with OSU, you just have to have the current game be the one-in-whatever that you actually win. And you can't win a game you don't play.

Basically zero chance in Columbus. Ohio State would have to give the game away to get beat by anyone this season at home.

College football is like professional wrestling, UC isn’t a main eventer but an upper mid-carder that needs to be protected. The entire structure has more in common with WWE than it does every other level of football.

UC’s job is to win games and protect their brand. Buy game beatings vs elite teams don’t do that. Winning games against the next tier does.

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I disagree. I think the players and the fans love the big games per year. I was pretty pumped for the OSU game this year, and I'm pretty pumped for the Notre Dame game in 2 years. If UC gets pounded vs ND-- so be it. I'm still glad they get a chance to face some top teams as it's a chance to make a statement if they win.

Secondly-- the buy games are important for UC, as they do the $$$$$ to keep Fickell here as I strongly suspect he will be getting a nice raise this offseason (along with his assistants.)

Besides, how many times in UC history have they gone 11-1, and that 1 loss was a buy game? I'd rather get beatdown from time to time, than face a cupcake like UT Martin.

Better off going undefeated than take a beating in a buy game.
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I disagree. I think the players and the fans love the big games per year. I was pretty pumped for the OSU game this year, and I'm pretty pumped for the Notre Dame game in 2 years. If UC gets pounded vs ND-- so be it. I'm still glad they get a chance to face some top teams as it's a chance to make a statement if they win.

Secondly-- the buy games are important for UC, as they do the $$$$$ to keep Fickell here as I strongly suspect he will be getting a nice raise this offseason (along with his assistants.)

Besides, how many times in UC history have they gone 11-1, and that 1 loss was a buy game? I'd rather get beatdown from time to time, than face a cupcake like UT Martin.
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If that one loss keeps UC out of the Cotton Bowl then it’s a bad idea. Notre Dame is beatable or at least is a more realistic opportunity than Ohio State or Bama. The recruiting at the top level is crazy.

(10-07-2019 08:38 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 07:57 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 06:59 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 05:33 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Stop scheduling those games and playoffs will never be a possibility. I realize everyone's already resigned themselves to that fate but frankly I haven't and Id hope the administration hasn't either.

Only chance at a playoff will come from expanding the field to include an automatic spot for the G5.

Better off going undefeated than take a beating in a buy game.

I have no doubt that if we went undefeated against our current schedule we'd be very legitimately in the playoff discussion this year. I also have little doubt that Boise won't be legitimately in that discussion if they go undefeated against their schedule this year. No G5 team is going to get a gift, it will have to be demanded or at least earned based upon performance.

More importantly, what if it's not a "beating"? What if it's the greatest win in school history instead? As discussed in another thread, all games are a function of percentages - even the Washington Generals beat the Globetrotters possibly as many as 6 times for crying out loud.

What % would this UC team in week 2 beat the current OSU team? I don't know, but I do know that a UC team much inferior to this one very nearly beat a National Champion OSU team not all that incredibly long ago. You don't have to sweep a lengthy series with OSU, you just have to have the current game be the one-in-whatever that you actually win. And you can't win a game you don't play.

Basically zero chance in Columbus.

I guess that's the crux of it. I'm glad you are just a skeptical fan (that's not intended as a criticism) rather than a player, coach or AD at UC. Believe what you want, but I've seen way too many crazy upsets in sports and in life to think that way especially when we are talking about a football team as high performing as UC's.

(10-07-2019 09:09 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 08:38 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 07:57 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 06:59 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 05:33 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Stop scheduling those games and playoffs will never be a possibility. I realize everyone's already resigned themselves to that fate but frankly I haven't and Id hope the administration hasn't either.

Only chance at a playoff will come from expanding the field to include an automatic spot for the G5.

Better off going undefeated than take a beating in a buy game.

I have no doubt that if we went undefeated against our current schedule we'd be very legitimately in the playoff discussion this year. I also have little doubt that Boise won't be legitimately in that discussion if they go undefeated against their schedule this year. No G5 team is going to get a gift, it will have to be demanded or at least earned based upon performance.

More importantly, what if it's not a "beating"? What if it's the greatest win in school history instead? As discussed in another thread, all games are a function of percentages - even the Washington Generals beat the Globetrotters possibly as many as 6 times for crying out loud.

What % would this UC team in week 2 beat the current OSU team? I don't know, but I do know that a UC team much inferior to this one very nearly beat a National Champion OSU team not all that incredibly long ago. You don't have to sweep a lengthy series with OSU, you just have to have the current game be the one-in-whatever that you actually win. And you can't win a game you don't play.

Basically zero chance in Columbus.

I guess that's the crux of it. I'm glad you are just a skeptical fan (that's not intended as a criticism) rather than a player, coach or AD at UC. Believe what you want, but I've seen way too many crazy upsets in sports and in life to think that way especially when we are talking about a football team as high performing as UC's.

I think the cards were heavily stacked against us in the OSU game for a few reasons. First, Ryan Day is still trying to make a name for himself. The very last thing he wants is to lose to an instate opponent who happens to be coached by someone who played and coached at OSU for like 30 years and is considered basically a legend there. There was zero chance Fick and UC were going to catch OSU off guard based on that, along with their 11-2 record a season ago, and beating a P5 school in week 1. It also just happens to be one of the best OSU teams they have had based on talent.

That said, I agree with you because eventually the cards won’t be that stacked against us and we with how we are recruiting and developing players we can catch an elite team off guard. I mean Michigan State has beat OSU several times and I believe we are approaching them in terms of talent and coaching.

I would obviously prefer we get a home and away, or a 2 for 1, especially while we are still building the program. Fick still has this team on the way up in my opinion and we haven’t peaked yet.

Last, I still believe if we finish with only one loss against an undefeated OSU team we will find our way into the NY6 bowl. I guess in a way we need to root for OSU to continue winning and not drop a game, but if thy happens we are in very good position for a NY6 bowl game. Our resume would compare very favorably to Boise State, or any other G5 team.

(10-07-2019 09:45 PM)C1ncy4Life Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 09:09 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 08:38 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  Basically zero chance in Columbus.

I guess that's the crux of it. I'm glad you are just a skeptical fan (that's not intended as a criticism) rather than a player, coach or AD at UC. Believe what you want, but I've seen way too many crazy upsets in sports and in life to think that way especially when we are talking about a football team as high performing as UC's.

I think the cards were heavily stacked against us in the OSU game for a few reasons. First, Ryan Day is still trying to make a name for himself. The very last thing he wants is to lose to an instate opponent who happens to be coached by someone who played and coached at OSU for like 30 years and is considered basically a legend there. There was zero chance Fick and UC were going to catch OSU off guard based on that, along with their 11-2 record a season ago, and beating a P5 school in week 1. It also just happens to be one of the best OSU teams they have had based on talent.

That said, I agree with you because eventually, the cards won’t be that stacked against us and we with how we are recruiting and developing players we can catch an elite team off guard. I mean Michigan State has beat OSU several times and I believe we are approaching them in terms of talent and coaching.

I would obviously prefer we get a home and away, or a 2 for 1, especially while we are still building the program. Fick still has this team on the way up in my opinion and we haven’t peaked yet.

Last, I still believe if we finish with only one loss against an undefeated OSU team we will find our way into the NY6 bowl. I guess in a way we need to root for OSU to continue winning and not drop a game, but if thy happens we are in very good position for a NY6 bowl game. Our resume would compare very favorably to Boise State, or any other G5 team.

I don't know about all that motivation stuff being unique, but the bottom line imo is OSU is playing the best football of any college team in the nation so far this season. I didn't necessarily think that coming into the season or even going into week 2 but that's the consensus right now based upon the cumulative Massey ratings and I agree with them. We had a bad night and ran into an absolute buzzsaw that probably would have beaten us easily even if we had a good night. Wrong team at the wrong time. But that won't always be the case going forward especially if you think our program still has room to grow as you noted.

I think most of us agree that we can still make the New Years 6 games even with one loss to an elite team this year depending upon how the rest of the season goes down. Speaking generally now, if you think beating a team like OSU at OSU is impossible or that the playoffs are impossible even if we did win a game like that amidst an undefeated season, then I see where you are coming from in not scheduling the game - even if I don't agree. But if you dream higher, e.g. a playoff spot or at least a legendary win in the history of UC, then the only way for us to get there in the AAC is to have one or more big non-conference wins like OSU would have been. And you can't win 'em if ya don't play 'em.

Agreed^ The goal for every G5 team should be to emulate UCF's rise. And the one thing they were missing in the last two seasons was an elite win that truly generated controversy with selection committee. I'm not saying it's realistic for us to go undefeated for two straight seasons. But consider how much talent we are going to have in 2021 (Ridder's senior year) when we travel to south bend. I'm already giddy at the opportunity to go in there and get a program defining win.

"osu had one of their best teams ever. they wont always be that good. our program is still growing. we'll do better next time" -every UC fan since 2002

even if by some miracle we had won we still wouldnt sniff the playoff. "new coach, new QB, UC got lucky and caught them early in the year. one lucky game doesnt deserve a playoff spot" it would NEVER be viewed nationally as UC having a big win, but as osu stumbling.

did you guys not watch ucf? even after they beat auburn in the bowl, nobody respects them. had they won that game during the regular season it wouldnt have made a difference, and they hit the jackpot of going undefeated on a season when nobody else did. then they went undefeated the next season and still didnt even get considered. neither season was it a close call that came down to sos. they never even got looked at. sorry to be the one to tell you santa's not real, but college football playoff is fixed and we're on the wrong side.

scheduling buy games years in advance hoping the stars align is not a strategy to build our program. its just foolish. we eek out a win last year against ohio u and suddenly people want to charge columbus. schedule winnable games. that way on down years we dont get humiliated, and on up years we're setup for a conference win and legit run at a NY6 bowl. those are our season goals. anybody talking playoffs isnt accepting reality.
win as many games as possible and grow the program so that when realignment happens again our resume has the most wins and and very few 42-0 stompings. that loss hurts recruiting, pushed away casual fans and will be a serious black eye for the rest of the season as it will be mentioned on every televised game for the rest of the year -both our games and osu's. not the way to build national respect.