(09-27-2019 09:52 AM)SMUleopold Wrote:  

(09-26-2019 09:13 PM)pesik Wrote:  your whole post is weird...most of our team has come out in support of king decision...king said he talked to the team about it...its not just king, atleast 4 other players are doing so aswell
--- there s is a "love you bro" thread of players right now from seniors to king and vics versa right now


a take from espn that i found profound... this is drastically better than players who quit on the team to prepare for the nfl draft...which is almost guaranteed for every 1st round not in the playoffs, in todays game..

he has promised to come back and make the team special next season, a season that probably wouldnt have been without him

Which four? They would probably have to be seniors, and probably have to be of some value, so Braylon and Josh Jones? Williams? Lark? Fleming?

Look, let's just say I respectfully disagree with ESPN, and their take on it isn't that profound. It's quitting, regardless. Quitting on the coaches, teammates who are seniors, and those who have to go out and slug it out, but, hey, we'll see how they respond.

Some, like the ones who will now get to start, will probably be fine with the decision. Others, who are already starting and are looking at the possibility of a lesser year - maybe not so much. I mean, let's see what happens to team morale if you get a few injuries - things may go south in a hurry.

I understand people redshirt, that there are rebuilding years, and so on. That's life, that's college athletics. I still say this is a backhanded way to do it, and that not only is bad for college football no matter who is doing it - Houston, SMU, whomever - it may come back to bite you in the rear next year as well.

We'll see.

Assuming this a strategy that the coach and red-shirted players are all committed to (which Im admittedly skeptical of), then Im fine with it. The stated goal of every program is to win a conference championship. That wasnt going to happen this year. If this move results in a 2020 team with a legitimate chance to win the West and play in the 2020 CCG---then it's hard to argue this isnt a smart move--in fact, it's the smartest choice any program truly committed to winning championships could make given the circumstances. Furthermore---if this move was forced on Dana by key players wanting a redo under better circumstances---then the hand wringing is moot. Dana didnt have a choice but to figure out how to make the circumstances work best for the long term good of the program. This is what every team does---they do what best benefits their school/team within the rules of the game. The fact that the NCAA didnt realize the unintended consequences of the red-shirt rule change should give administrators pause when considering rule change proposals on paying players, the olympic model, and liberalizing transfer policies (all of which have far more potential for unintended consequences than the red shirt rule).

(09-27-2019 12:47 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Assuming this a strategy that the coach and red-shirted players are all committed to (which Im admittedly skeptical of), then Im fine with it. The stated goal of every program is to win a conference championship. That wasnt going to happen this year. If this move results in a 2020 team with a legitimate chance to win the West and play in the 2020 CCG---then it's hard to argue this isnt a smart move--in fact, it's the smartest choice any program truly committed to winning championships could make given the circumstances. Furthermore---if this move was forced on Dana by key players wanting a redo under better circumstances---then the hand wringing is moot. Dana didnt have a choice but to figure out how to make the circumstances work best for the long term good of the program. This is what every team does---they do what best benefits their school/team within the rules of the game. The fact that the NCAA didnt realize the unintended consequences of the red-shirt rule change should give administrators pause when considering rule change proposals on paying players, the olympic model, and liberalizing transfer policies (all of which have far more potential for unintended consequences than the red shirt rule).

See now Pesik, this is how you answer.

I don't know why this is a shock. Before the season even started, CDH said red shirts were on the table for anyone that was eligible for one. Players that were on the fence, changed once Houston started the year 1-3. UH did this very thing in 75. Red shirted just about everyone and went 1-10. The next year was our first year in the SWC. We went on to to win the Cotton Bowl, and finish #4.

(09-27-2019 12:47 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-27-2019 09:52 AM)SMUleopold Wrote:  

(09-26-2019 09:13 PM)pesik Wrote:  your whole post is weird...most of our team has come out in support of king decision...king said he talked to the team about it...its not just king, atleast 4 other players are doing so aswell
--- there s is a "love you bro" thread of players right now from seniors to king and vics versa right now


a take from espn that i found profound... this is drastically better than players who quit on the team to prepare for the nfl draft...which is almost guaranteed for every 1st round not in the playoffs, in todays game..

he has promised to come back and make the team special next season, a season that probably wouldnt have been without him

Which four? They would probably have to be seniors, and probably have to be of some value, so Braylon and Josh Jones? Williams? Lark? Fleming?

Look, let's just say I respectfully disagree with ESPN, and their take on it isn't that profound. It's quitting, regardless. Quitting on the coaches, teammates who are seniors, and those who have to go out and slug it out, but, hey, we'll see how they respond.

Some, like the ones who will now get to start, will probably be fine with the decision. Others, who are already starting and are looking at the possibility of a lesser year - maybe not so much. I mean, let's see what happens to team morale if you get a few injuries - things may go south in a hurry.

I understand people redshirt, that there are rebuilding years, and so on. That's life, that's college athletics. I still say this is a backhanded way to do it, and that not only is bad for college football no matter who is doing it - Houston, SMU, whomever - it may come back to bite you in the rear next year as well.

We'll see.

Assuming this a strategy that the coach and red-shirted players are all committed to (which Im admittedly skeptical of), then Im fine with it. The stated goal of every program is to win a conference championship. That wasnt going to happen this year. If this move results in a 2020 team with a legitimate chance to win the West and play in the 2020 CCG---then it's hard to argue this isnt a smart move--in fact, it's the smartest choice any program truly committed to winning championships could make given the circumstances. Furthermore---if this move was forced on Dana by key players wanting a redo under better circumstances---then the hand wringing is moot. Dana didnt have a choice but to figure out how to make the circumstances work best for the long term good of the program. This is what every team does---they do what best benefits their school/team within the rules of the game. The fact that the NCAA didnt realize the unintended consequences of the red-shirt rule change should give administrators pause when considering rule change proposals on paying players, the olympic model, and liberalizing transfer policies (all of which have far more potential for unintended consequences than the red shirt rule).

Nobody is ever going to convince me that tanking a season after 4 games (yes, that's what redshirting your best player and the starting QB is), in hopes of a better season than you otherwise might have had next year, is a good idea, much less the lack of sportsmanship, and the bending of the spirit of the rule.

You can paint that skunk whatever color you like, and give him a fresh haircut, but it's still a skunk.

(09-27-2019 07:37 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-27-2019 12:47 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-27-2019 09:52 AM)SMUleopold Wrote:  

(09-26-2019 09:13 PM)pesik Wrote:  your whole post is weird...most of our team has come out in support of king decision...king said he talked to the team about it...its not just king, atleast 4 other players are doing so aswell
--- there s is a "love you bro" thread of players right now from seniors to king and vics versa right now


a take from espn that i found profound... this is drastically better than players who quit on the team to prepare for the nfl draft...which is almost guaranteed for every 1st round not in the playoffs, in todays game..

he has promised to come back and make the team special next season, a season that probably wouldnt have been without him

Which four? They would probably have to be seniors, and probably have to be of some value, so Braylon and Josh Jones? Williams? Lark? Fleming?

Look, let's just say I respectfully disagree with ESPN, and their take on it isn't that profound. It's quitting, regardless. Quitting on the coaches, teammates who are seniors, and those who have to go out and slug it out, but, hey, we'll see how they respond.

Some, like the ones who will now get to start, will probably be fine with the decision. Others, who are already starting and are looking at the possibility of a lesser year - maybe not so much. I mean, let's see what happens to team morale if you get a few injuries - things may go south in a hurry.

I understand people redshirt, that there are rebuilding years, and so on. That's life, that's college athletics. I still say this is a backhanded way to do it, and that not only is bad for college football no matter who is doing it - Houston, SMU, whomever - it may come back to bite you in the rear next year as well.

We'll see.

Assuming this a strategy that the coach and red-shirted players are all committed to (which Im admittedly skeptical of), then Im fine with it. The stated goal of every program is to win a conference championship. That wasnt going to happen this year. If this move results in a 2020 team with a legitimate chance to win the West and play in the 2020 CCG---then it's hard to argue this isnt a smart move--in fact, it's the smartest choice any program truly committed to winning championships could make given the circumstances. Furthermore---if this move was forced on Dana by key players wanting a redo under better circumstances---then the hand wringing is moot. Dana didnt have a choice but to figure out how to make the circumstances work best for the long term good of the program. This is what every team does---they do what best benefits their school/team within the rules of the game. The fact that the NCAA didnt realize the unintended consequences of the red-shirt rule change should give administrators pause when considering rule change proposals on paying players, the olympic model, and liberalizing transfer policies (all of which have far more potential for unintended consequences than the red shirt rule).

Nobody is ever going to convince me that tanking a season after 4 games (yes, that's what redshirting your best player and the starting QB is), in hopes of a better season than you otherwise might have had next year, is a good idea, much less the lack of sportsmanship, and the bending of the spirit of the rule.

You can paint that skunk whatever color you like, and give him a fresh haircut, but it's still a skunk.

I don't know, dude... think back to when Justin Fuwentezzzz took over for ... no, wait, Coach step was a good recruiter/bad coach. reset: think if Justin took over after Tommy left. Would it have been a good idea to take all the seniors and red-shirt them since the team was talent-poor anyway?

IDK... I see both sides. I like the comment about calling the ticket office and "seeing if I can red-shirt my season tickets."

Point is, Dana just got there. You gotta take that into consideration. He is used to a roster full of 4* recruits. I'm sure the Oklahoma game was an eye-opener for him. Before that, all he had seen was coug-on-coug in practice.

(09-27-2019 09:39 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-27-2019 07:37 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-27-2019 12:47 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-27-2019 09:52 AM)SMUleopold Wrote:  

(09-26-2019 09:13 PM)pesik Wrote:  your whole post is weird...most of our team has come out in support of king decision...king said he talked to the team about it...its not just king, atleast 4 other players are doing so aswell
--- there s is a "love you bro" thread of players right now from seniors to king and vics versa right now


a take from espn that i found profound... this is drastically better than players who quit on the team to prepare for the nfl draft...which is almost guaranteed for every 1st round not in the playoffs, in todays game..

he has promised to come back and make the team special next season, a season that probably wouldnt have been without him

Which four? They would probably have to be seniors, and probably have to be of some value, so Braylon and Josh Jones? Williams? Lark? Fleming?

Look, let's just say I respectfully disagree with ESPN, and their take on it isn't that profound. It's quitting, regardless. Quitting on the coaches, teammates who are seniors, and those who have to go out and slug it out, but, hey, we'll see how they respond.

Some, like the ones who will now get to start, will probably be fine with the decision. Others, who are already starting and are looking at the possibility of a lesser year - maybe not so much. I mean, let's see what happens to team morale if you get a few injuries - things may go south in a hurry.

I understand people redshirt, that there are rebuilding years, and so on. That's life, that's college athletics. I still say this is a backhanded way to do it, and that not only is bad for college football no matter who is doing it - Houston, SMU, whomever - it may come back to bite you in the rear next year as well.

We'll see.

Assuming this a strategy that the coach and red-shirted players are all committed to (which Im admittedly skeptical of), then Im fine with it. The stated goal of every program is to win a conference championship. That wasnt going to happen this year. If this move results in a 2020 team with a legitimate chance to win the West and play in the 2020 CCG---then it's hard to argue this isnt a smart move--in fact, it's the smartest choice any program truly committed to winning championships could make given the circumstances. Furthermore---if this move was forced on Dana by key players wanting a redo under better circumstances---then the hand wringing is moot. Dana didnt have a choice but to figure out how to make the circumstances work best for the long term good of the program. This is what every team does---they do what best benefits their school/team within the rules of the game. The fact that the NCAA didnt realize the unintended consequences of the red-shirt rule change should give administrators pause when considering rule change proposals on paying players, the olympic model, and liberalizing transfer policies (all of which have far more potential for unintended consequences than the red shirt rule).

Nobody is ever going to convince me that tanking a season after 4 games (yes, that's what redshirting your best player and the starting QB is), in hopes of a better season than you otherwise might have had next year, is a good idea, much less the lack of sportsmanship, and the bending of the spirit of the rule.

You can paint that skunk whatever color you like, and give him a fresh haircut, but it's still a skunk.

I don't know, dude... think back to when Justin Fuwentezzzz took over for ... no, wait, Coach step was a good recruiter/bad coach. reset: think if Justin took over after Tommy left. Would it have been a good idea to take all the seniors and red-shirt them since the team was talent-poor anyway?

IDK... I see both sides. I like the comment about calling the ticket office and "seeing if I can red-shirt my season tickets."

Point is, Dana just got there. You gotta take that into consideration. He is used to a roster full of 4* recruits. I'm sure the Oklahoma game was an eye-opener for him. Before that, all he had seen was coug-on-coug in practice.

I don't see a word in there that makes any difference. Everybody has his own opinion. That's mine. If it were Memphis, I would be red hot.

Hahaha.. This thread still going... What a bunch of drama sensitive B%$#@!S

Relax ladies we're only reloading but we will continue been everyone's Superbowl this season and every season after.

If your were a UH senior with no draft potential (which is basically the entire roster), how would you feel.

Glad to put a $50 charity wager (your choice) that King will not be a Cougar next year.

(09-28-2019 12:33 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  If your were a UH senior with no draft potential (which is basically the entire roster), how would you feel.

Glad to put a $50 charity wager (your choice) that King will not be a Cougar next year. All that said I think King is making the right choice, he has given far more to UH than they gave to him. Still is sad as a former college athlete with no questions pro chances. Ya’ll don’t know how hard it would is.

i dont feel like betting but i feel confident he comes back at this point... more seniors have come out they are redshirting and king has vocal supported them on social media (up to publicly 4, could be more)

between the press conference where he very sternly says he wont even enter the portal, and the fact that he is doing this with a bunch of other players he is close to together makes me feel confident about it...a lot of them them are doing this just to join king.. i dont think he will abandon them...

note: king had USC (cali), Oregon, Clemson offers in HS but as a WR..he came to UH to play QB. after he signed, houston moved him to WR right away, king thought he was going to stay at WR after we brought in kyle allen. according a recent article (3 months ago), king's Dad tried to get him to transfer to Oregon if he was going to stay WR between his freshman and sophomore season (he had bigger options at WR)..king refused and told his dad he wanted to stay loyal to houston. he ha remianed loyal before
https://theathletic.com/1172442/2019/08/...kyler-era/

the one situation i seee him leaving is if claytune tune (our backup qb) somehow comes out dominant...and there would be less guilt if he left..

(09-28-2019 12:59 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-28-2019 12:33 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  If your were a UH senior with no draft potential (which is basically the entire roster), how would you feel.

Glad to put a $50 charity wager (your choice) that King will not be a Cougar next year. All that said I think King is making the right choice, he has given far more to UH than they gave to him. Still is sad as a former college athlete with no questions pro chances. Ya’ll don’t know how hard it would is.

i dont feel like betting but i feel confident he comes back at this point... more seniors have come out they are redshirting and king has vocal supported them on social media (up to publicly 4, could be more)

between the press conference where he very sternly says he wont even enter the portal, and the fact that he is doing this with a bunch of other players he is close to together makes me feel confident about it...a lot of them them are doing this just to join king.. i dont think he will abandon them...

note: king had USC (cali), Oregon, Clemson offers in HS but as a WR..he came to UH to play QB. after he signed, houston moved him to WR right away, king thought he was going to stay at WR after we brought in kyle allen. according a recent article (3 months ago), king's Dad tried to get him to transfer to Oregon if he was going to stay WR between his freshman and sophomore season (he had bigger options at WR)..king refused and told his dad he wanted to stay loyal to houston. he ha remianed loyal before
https://theathletic.com/1172442/2019/08/...kyler-era/

the one situation i seee him leaving is if claytune tune (our backup qb) somehow comes out dominant...and there would be less guilt if he left..

He stays at UH then he is a pioneer. Even still he has told this year’s team that they are not worthy of his leadership, which is super strange.

My offer remains. LSU fanboy radio already spent 20 mins today on King as next years starter. We shall see. Trying to think and looking around of the other options: Oregon, Bama, UGA, Mich, Colorado, Wash, A&M, Mich St, Stan, UT aust. Someone will get on him. Hope he stays but have serious doubts. Lamar Jackson and Murray may give him hope as an NFL prospect, right or wrong.

Side Note: The AAC has been on the news or talk of the town lately. Between UCFs run Milton and Kings injury, Ed Olivers draft, New Contract, UConns departure, Memphis Tigers, and Kings decision. This year has seen the AAC getting a lot of publicity not including Houstons MBB cinderellas run and Holgersons departure from P5. Either way you feel about things i think the hollywood motto of there is no such thing as bad publicity only publicity is in play here. or however that thing goes.

im diggin' it.

You right, Agust

The BONGhorns and aggies are always going to force their articles here in Houston but those days of blocking publicity for UH specifically here in Houston are long gone.

https://m.chron.com/sports/cougars/artic...473092.php

https://m.chron.com/sports/cougars/artic...465236.php

(09-28-2019 12:22 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  Hahaha.. This thread still going... What a bunch of drama sensitive B%$#@!S

Relax ladies we're only reloading but we will continue been everyone's Superbowl this season and every season after.

lol

(09-28-2019 07:13 AM)NothingButKnight Wrote:  

(09-28-2019 12:22 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  Hahaha.. This thread still going... What a bunch of drama sensitive B%$#@!S

Relax ladies we're only reloading but we will continue been everyone's Superbowl this season and every season after.

lol

More like everyone's toilet bowl.

College Gameday doesn't like it.

(09-28-2019 07:44 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(09-28-2019 07:13 AM)NothingButKnight Wrote:  

(09-28-2019 12:22 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  Hahaha.. This thread still going... What a bunch of drama sensitive B%$#@!S

Relax ladies we're only reloading but we will continue been everyone's Superbowl this season and every season after.

lol

More like everyone's toilet bowl.

(09-28-2019 07:44 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(09-28-2019 07:13 AM)NothingButKnight Wrote:  

(09-28-2019 12:22 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  Hahaha.. This thread still going... What a bunch of drama sensitive B%$#@!S

Relax ladies we're only reloading but we will continue been everyone's Superbowl this season and every season after.

lol

More like everyone's toilet bowl.

Even with our backups little tigers are going to lose to Houston... Hahaha

(09-28-2019 11:49 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(09-28-2019 07:44 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(09-28-2019 07:13 AM)NothingButKnight Wrote:  

(09-28-2019 12:22 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  Hahaha.. This thread still going... What a bunch of drama sensitive B%$#@!S

Relax ladies we're only reloading but we will continue been everyone's Superbowl this season and every season after.

lol

More like everyone's toilet bowl.

Even with our backups little tigers are going to lose to Houston... Hahaha

Um hmm...so who's redshirting besides King and Corbin? Somebody said Holgorsen talked to a lot of guys, but I haven't heard any other announcements.

(09-28-2019 12:00 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-28-2019 11:49 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(09-28-2019 07:44 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(09-28-2019 07:13 AM)NothingButKnight Wrote:  

(09-28-2019 12:22 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  Hahaha.. This thread still going... What a bunch of drama sensitive B%$#@!S

Relax ladies we're only reloading but we will continue been everyone's Superbowl this season and every season after.

lol

More like everyone's toilet bowl.

Even with our backups little tigers are going to lose to Houston... Hahaha

Um hmm...so who's redshirting besides King and Corbin? Somebody said Holgorsen talked to a lot of guys, but I haven't heard any other announcements.

No more public official statements they are just redshirting...we know A starting Oline and RB are joining....and that's becuase they hinted at it through social media...wont know the official list till we see who is on the field for UNT

(09-28-2019 12:00 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-28-2019 11:49 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(09-28-2019 07:44 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(09-28-2019 07:13 AM)NothingButKnight Wrote:  

(09-28-2019 12:22 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  Hahaha.. This thread still going... What a bunch of drama sensitive B%$#@!S

Relax ladies we're only reloading but we will continue been everyone's Superbowl this season and every season after.

lol

More like everyone's toilet bowl.

Even with our backups little tigers are going to lose to Houston... Hahaha

Um hmm...so who's redshirting besides King and Corbin? Somebody said Holgorsen talked to a lot of guys, but I haven't heard any other announcements.

Listened to CDH on the radio the other day and he is expecting to red-shirt at least 35 players. Might be a few more by years end. The last two head coaches did a horrible job recruiting and red-shirting players.