also uH fans seem to not understand how recruiting works......teams are not limited to recruiting in their own state they can recruit anywhere in the USA or even internationally so putting up some meaningless stat about how many prospects WV produces shows nothing
how many does Idaho produce....probably not many yet Boise has a much longer, more consistent, and better history of winning than a program in the bestest mostest greatest recruiting fertilities evAR!!!!
and somehow no matter how many times the fans of one program declare Boise dead Boise still ends up and has consistently better seasons then they do and has never had to give up on a season yet even with many coaching changes
it is all the more laughable to talk about the Astros......as if recruiting in college goes by draft order or you get better picks when you tank a season or you can make trades for younger players......here is a hint when you win more in college it makes it easier to recruit you do not get a better draft pick and I do not remember any top coach coming in and tanking a season and all the more so thinking it would not work against recruiting
boise solely hasnt won the mwc in like 6 years....and boise succes is becuase they were able to keep a winning coach for 9 years.... ive said this before the reason i like holgs a lot is becuase he really want to stay in houston till he is done coaching..
a common argument before was that he just wants to cash checks till he retires and doesnt care winning like that....ironically now, its i cant believe a coaches would go to such measures to win games
as far as your recrutiting points.. getting people to come west viriginia isnt easy at all.. west virginia has lived off of juco despite being..they have an abnornal amount of jucos for a p5 team not named kansas st...
well it looks like right here in 2017 Boise won their division clearly and beat Fresno in the CCG to win the MWC outright
Boise was 7-1 in their division with the next closest 5-3 so they CLEARLY won their division outright
and they beat Fresno in the CCG which means they won the MWC outright
facts seem to get in the way of your alternate reality
and Peterson was not at Boise 9 years he was there 8 years......again those pesky facts getting in the way of alternate realities
not to mention that Boise started their streak of having very good seasons well before Peterson and they had several coaching changes along the way
winning the MWC aside (which your alternate reality has already proven to be just that a figment of your imagination) I would say a streak of 17 seasons with 12 of those seasons ending being ranked is pretty good and shows that a program can recruit well even in a state with few D1-A prospects and they can also translate that to winning seasons
also uH fans seem to not understand how recruiting works......teams are not limited to recruiting in their own state they can recruit anywhere in the USA or even internationally so putting up some meaningless stat about how many prospects WV produces shows nothing
how many does Idaho produce....probably not many yet Boise has a much longer, more consistent, and better history of winning than a program in the bestest mostest greatest recruiting fertilities evAR!!!!
and somehow no matter how many times the fans of one program declare Boise dead Boise still ends up and has consistently better seasons then they do and has never had to give up on a season yet even with many coaching changes
it is all the more laughable to talk about the Astros......as if recruiting in college goes by draft order or you get better picks when you tank a season or you can make trades for younger players......here is a hint when you win more in college it makes it easier to recruit you do not get a better draft pick and I do not remember any top coach coming in and tanking a season and all the more so thinking it would not work against recruiting
boise solely hasnt won the mwc in like 6 years....and boise succes is becuase they were able to keep a winning coach for 9 years.... ive said this before the reason i like holgs a lot is becuase he really want to stay in houston till he is done coaching..
a common argument before was that he just wants to cash checks till he retires and doesnt care winning like that....ironically now, its i cant believe a coaches would go to such measures to win games
as far as your recrutiting points.. getting people to come west viriginia isnt easy at all.. west virginia has lived off of juco despite being..they have an abnornal amount of jucos for a p5 team not named kansas st...
well it looks like right here in 2017 Boise won their division clearly and beat Fresno in the CCG to win the MWC outright
Boise was 7-1 in their division with the next closest 5-3 so they CLEARLY won their division outright
and they beat Fresno in the CCG which means they won the MWC outright
facts seem to get in the way of your alternate reality
and Peterson was not at Boise 9 years he was there 8 years......again those pesky facts getting in the way of alternate realities
not to mention that Boise started their streak of having very good seasons well before Peterson and they had several coaching changes along the way
winning the MWC aside (which your alternate reality has already proven to be just that a figment of your imagination) I would say a streak of 17 seasons with 12 of those seasons ending being ranked is pretty good and shows that a program can recruit well even in a state with few D1-A prospects and they can also translate that to winning seasons
shows that it takes more than just existing in the most fertilitilizer greatestest bestest recruiting grounds evAR to be a consistent top team
because 12 ranked seasons out of 17 beats two ranked seasons in that same time period.....imaginary periods of time between winning the MWC aside
if you want to have a conversation... have a conversation..
my boise point was that they barely win the mwc in recent years....that is true
your 8 year vs 9 year comment was literally just petty.."haha i got another one" when it literally didnt change my point at all..8 years is still extremely long for a successful g5 coach
you obviously just want to be petty, so ill leave you be
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also uH fans seem to not understand how recruiting works......teams are not limited to recruiting in their own state they can recruit anywhere in the USA or even internationally so putting up some meaningless stat about how many prospects WV produces shows nothing
how many does Idaho produce....probably not many yet Boise has a much longer, more consistent, and better history of winning than a program in the bestest mostest greatest recruiting fertilities evAR!!!!
and somehow no matter how many times the fans of one program declare Boise dead Boise still ends up and has consistently better seasons then they do and has never had to give up on a season yet even with many coaching changes
it is all the more laughable to talk about the Astros......as if recruiting in college goes by draft order or you get better picks when you tank a season or you can make trades for younger players......here is a hint when you win more in college it makes it easier to recruit you do not get a better draft pick and I do not remember any top coach coming in and tanking a season and all the more so thinking it would not work against recruiting
boise solely hasnt won the mwc in like 6 years....and boise succes is becuase they were able to keep a winning coach for 9 years.... ive said this before the reason i like holgs a lot is becuase he really want to stay in houston till he is done coaching..
a common argument before was that he just wants to cash checks till he retires and doesnt care winning like that....ironically now, its i cant believe a coaches would go to such measures to win games
as far as your recrutiting points.. getting people to come west viriginia isnt easy at all.. west virginia has lived off of juco despite being..they have an abnornal amount of jucos for a p5 team not named kansas st...
well it looks like right here in 2017 Boise won their division clearly and beat Fresno in the CCG to win the MWC outright
Boise was 7-1 in their division with the next closest 5-3 so they CLEARLY won their division outright
and they beat Fresno in the CCG which means they won the MWC outright
facts seem to get in the way of your alternate reality
and Peterson was not at Boise 9 years he was there 8 years......again those pesky facts getting in the way of alternate realities
not to mention that Boise started their streak of having very good seasons well before Peterson and they had several coaching changes along the way
winning the MWC aside (which your alternate reality has already proven to be just that a figment of your imagination) I would say a streak of 17 seasons with 12 of those seasons ending being ranked is pretty good and shows that a program can recruit well even in a state with few D1-A prospects and they can also translate that to winning seasons
shows that it takes more than just existing in the most fertilitilizer greatestest bestest recruiting grounds evAR to be a consistent top team
because 12 ranked seasons out of 17 beats two ranked seasons in that same time period.....imaginary periods of time between winning the MWC aside
if you want to have a conversation... have a conversation..
my boise point was that they barely win the mwc in recent years....that is true
your 8 year vs 9 year comment was literally just petty.."haha i got another one" when it literally didnt change my point at all..8 years is still extremely long for a successful g5 coach
you obviously just want to be petty, so ill leave you be
So you think boise’s success is purely based off of a coach that was there for 8 seasons? (Not trying to sound rude, just want to make sure I’m understanding your point correctly).. Since 1999 (two seasons after going FBS) Boise has had 16 seasons with 10+ wins, 7 of which were under Petersen. Pokey Allen, Dirk Koetter, & Dan Hawkins started building the Boise State program well before Petersen. So that point is wrong. Also, Boise has won the MWC 3 times since they joined the league, 2 have been out right in the last 5 years (2014, 2017) so that point of not winning in 6 years is wrong as well.
By no means am I coming here to toot the horn, I understand this thread is on a different topic & im sure very few people have interest in BSU on this board. However I’m not sure the point you are making is going to hold up with the facts.
Boise has been able to recruit Texas, California, & Florida (recently) very well for the last 15 plus years. At the end of the day that, coupled with smart coaches that can develop talent very well, is a big part of Boise’s success.
Anyway, I didn’t come here to get into a useless arguement, just thought I’d give my two cents & clarify some things. I think Dana was a pretty good hire for Houston. Obviously it will take a few seasons to really see how it’s going to shake out, but I think Houston is a good job that gives coaches a great opportunity to be successful. Wishing y’all the very best. Bummed our game got bumped to 2025.. however I am pretty stoked to take on UCF. Cheers.
RE: UH QB D'Eriq King to sit out rest of season, redshirt
(09-25-2019 08:01 PM)pesik Wrote:
(09-25-2019 07:09 PM)va-eagle Wrote:
(09-25-2019 12:38 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:
(09-25-2019 12:32 PM)Jugnaut Wrote: We need to pin this thread for the evitable implosion when King announces that he got his degree and will be grad transferring to a P5 program for his last year to improve his draft stock. He's playing Houston for suckers. He is gone, but doesn't want it to be known because he wants to keep his scholarship and not be hated until he's done attending classes there. His dad let the cat out of the bag.
Very possible. While I absolutely believe Dana wanted to redshirt as much talent as possible this year---I remain skeptical that redshirting King was Dana's idea or preference. It may just be damage control. Maybe not. Like I said---I remain skeptical. That said, if it was Dana's idea, Im ok with it as the idea behind it is to build the program. Thats what the UH football program has lacked since the Briles/Sumlin period. It has not been in the hands of a competent coach who expected to be here more than a couple of years since that Briles/Sumlin period. Levine would have been here for the long term--but he simply wasnt competent (though he did recruit fairly well). Herman was very competent and a good recruiter, but it was clear early on he was never going to be a long term holder of the job. Applewhite was not a competent coach and, even worse, was a poor recruiter to boot. The program needed a guy who was competent, could assemble a quality staff who could recruit the area, and would be here a while. The program needed that stability and continuity for at least 4 or 5 years. Dana fit that set of needs perfectly.
I saw a tweet that his dad said he was redshirting and would transfer. Then something from King that he was going to redshirt this season, but hadn't spoken with his coach yet. Definitely wasn't Dana's idea.
king said the dad mispoke.....they had a presser the very next day (yesterday) with numerous interviews..they basically explained the timeline
1- note: dana has atleast 20 articles this preseason that he wanted to red-shirt as many seniors as possible
2- immediately after the tulane loss last friday dana gathered a bunch of seniors and brought the idea to them, but said they had to decide themselves
3- king said forget transferring, the idea of even redshirting wasnt something in the realm of possibilities in his mind...his mindset was just pushing through the rest of the season
4- a bunch of players together decided over the weekend they wanted to do it..
5- dana hints there might be more players but didnt give names
His father, Eric, told a Houston-area FOX affiliate that transferring is "the best decision for him at this point," and that the decision was "very, very tough. He's got a lot of teammates riding on him."
If his father miss-spoke, it was that his father divulged details King had shared with him before King had fully decided he was staying at UH. Doesn't matter really, we just have to wait and see how it turns out.
If I were Dana and this was my master plan prior to the season, I might have not played King in the Prairie View game and saved his 4th game for a conf game. The backup QB only had 1 pass attempt in the Prairie View game. If Dana wanted to redshirt King, why not play backup more in the FCS game when you are up 34-10 at half?
RE: UH QB D'Eriq King to sit out rest of season, redshirt
(09-26-2019 11:56 AM)va-eagle Wrote:
(09-25-2019 08:01 PM)pesik Wrote:
(09-25-2019 07:09 PM)va-eagle Wrote:
(09-25-2019 12:38 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:
(09-25-2019 12:32 PM)Jugnaut Wrote: We need to pin this thread for the evitable implosion when King announces that he got his degree and will be grad transferring to a P5 program for his last year to improve his draft stock. He's playing Houston for suckers. He is gone, but doesn't want it to be known because he wants to keep his scholarship and not be hated until he's done attending classes there. His dad let the cat out of the bag.
Very possible. While I absolutely believe Dana wanted to redshirt as much talent as possible this year---I remain skeptical that redshirting King was Dana's idea or preference. It may just be damage control. Maybe not. Like I said---I remain skeptical. That said, if it was Dana's idea, Im ok with it as the idea behind it is to build the program. Thats what the UH football program has lacked since the Briles/Sumlin period. It has not been in the hands of a competent coach who expected to be here more than a couple of years since that Briles/Sumlin period. Levine would have been here for the long term--but he simply wasnt competent (though he did recruit fairly well). Herman was very competent and a good recruiter, but it was clear early on he was never going to be a long term holder of the job. Applewhite was not a competent coach and, even worse, was a poor recruiter to boot. The program needed a guy who was competent, could assemble a quality staff who could recruit the area, and would be here a while. The program needed that stability and continuity for at least 4 or 5 years. Dana fit that set of needs perfectly.
I saw a tweet that his dad said he was redshirting and would transfer. Then something from King that he was going to redshirt this season, but hadn't spoken with his coach yet. Definitely wasn't Dana's idea.
king said the dad mispoke.....they had a presser the very next day (yesterday) with numerous interviews..they basically explained the timeline
1- note: dana has atleast 20 articles this preseason that he wanted to red-shirt as many seniors as possible
2- immediately after the tulane loss last friday dana gathered a bunch of seniors and brought the idea to them, but said they had to decide themselves
3- king said forget transferring, the idea of even redshirting wasnt something in the realm of possibilities in his mind...his mindset was just pushing through the rest of the season
4- a bunch of players together decided over the weekend they wanted to do it..
5- dana hints there might be more players but didnt give names
His father, Eric, told a Houston-area FOX affiliate that transferring is "the best decision for him at this point," and that the decision was "very, very tough. He's got a lot of teammates riding on him."
If his father miss-spoke, it was that his father divulged details King had shared with him before King had fully decided he was staying at UH. Doesn't matter really, we just have to wait and see how it turns out.
If I were Dana and this was my master plan prior to the season, I might have not played King in the Prairie View game and saved his 4th game for a conf game. The backup QB only had 1 pass attempt in the Prairie View game. If Dana wanted to redshirt King, why not play backup more in the FCS game when you are up 34-10 at half?
King was never in the master plan....
dana was very honest and said the reason he spoke to king about it was that we were 1-3
the master pan was to redshirt as many seniors as possible while still maintaining enough players to win (if there was a back up good enough, you were red-shirting).. since the offense was 80% king i doubt the original plan included king...
after the hail mary loss to tulane it shifted to just red-shirt all the talent, try and win without them
RE: UH QB D'Eriq King to sit out rest of season, redshirt
(09-26-2019 12:11 PM)pesik Wrote: King was never in the master plan....
dana was very honest and said the reason he spoke to king about it was that we were 1-3
the master pan was to redshirt as many seniors as possible while still maintaining enough players to win (if there was a back up good enough, you were red-shirting).. since the offense was 80% king i doubt the original plan included king...
after the hail mary loss to tulane it shifted to just red-shirt all the talent, try and win without them
Okay. So to be clear on this
Dana has said "Forget the 2019 team, we are selling out for 2020"
RE: UH QB D'Eriq King to sit out rest of season, redshirt
(09-26-2019 01:42 PM)SMUleopold Wrote:
(09-26-2019 12:11 PM)pesik Wrote: King was never in the master plan....
dana was very honest and said the reason he spoke to king about it was that we were 1-3
the master pan was to redshirt as many seniors as possible while still maintaining enough players to win (if there was a back up good enough, you were red-shirting).. since the offense was 80% king i doubt the original plan included king...
after the hail mary loss to tulane it shifted to just red-shirt all the talent, try and win without them
Okay. So to be clear on this
Dana has said "Forget the 2019 team, we are selling out for 2020"
Am I reading this correctly?
Even better, they raised the white flag after exactly one conference game.
RE: UH QB D'Eriq King to sit out rest of season, redshirt
D'Eriq King quit on his team, period. No one will ever convince me otherwise I have coached a lot of football, and seen a lot of quitters. True teammates stick in there with their brothers, through thick and thin, in good times and in bad, period. You mean to tell me he put blood, sweat, and tears into the team, through camp, and through 4 games, battling with his brothers, and now wants to quit. This is, by pure definition, a QUITTER. I don't care the reason. True brothers don't quit on each other, no matter how the season is going. I don't care what any Houston fan says to try to smooth this over. D'Eriq King is a quitter, plain and simple. He quit on his brothers, who have been sweating and battling this year, and for this year's team. The end.
RE: UH QB D'Eriq King to sit out rest of season, redshirt
(09-26-2019 01:42 PM)SMUleopold Wrote:
(09-26-2019 12:11 PM)pesik Wrote: King was never in the master plan....
dana was very honest and said the reason he spoke to king about it was that we were 1-3
the master pan was to redshirt as many seniors as possible while still maintaining enough players to win (if there was a back up good enough, you were red-shirting).. since the offense was 80% king i doubt the original plan included king...
after the hail mary loss to tulane it shifted to just red-shirt all the talent, try and win without them
Okay. So to be clear on this
Dana has said "Forget the 2019 team, we are selling out for 2020"
Am I reading this correctly?
his biggest message this season was about redshirting players
he has been hyping tune this offseason...this notion that we are quitinging is fun talk but everyone on our roster is actuallypumpoed about this...a lof of them feel disrescpeted that we think the season is over be cause they are playing...
imo he lowered the season for 2019, but still intends to fully compete....and yes he put that higher ceiling back into 2020
RE: UH QB D'Eriq King to sit out rest of season, redshirt
(09-26-2019 03:08 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote: D'Eriq King quit on his team, period. No one will ever convince me otherwise I have coached a lot of football, and seen a lot of quitters. True teammates stick in there with their brothers, through thick and thin, in good times and in bad, period. You mean to tell me he put blood, sweat, and tears into the team, through camp, and through 4 games, battling with his brothers, and now wants to quit. This is, by pure definition, a QUITTER. I don't care the reason. True brothers don't quit on each other, no matter how the season is going. I don't care what any Houston fan says to try to smooth this over. D'Eriq King is a quitter, plain and simple. He quit on his brothers, who have been sweating and battling this year, and for this year's team. The end.
i frankly dont care about any of ya'll opinion on this ....like 6 players are saying te same thing happened publicly on their own account...but you swear you know what happened havent never met anyone involved...thats your purgative
here is d'eriq kings presser
he makes it very clear this whole thing was never in his thought process, the mentality was just trying to improve the season.... dana then pulled the king and a ton of other players aside and talked to them about the possibility of redshirting but that they had to make the decision, he wasnt going to force them
this wasnt a secret meeting that they made up, this was in front of tons of witnesses ..corbin references this meeting....dana himself references this meeting...dana notes there are also other players that might join but wont give names
BullsFanInTX i belive in your psychic powers to know all things normally..but today i dont care
(This post was last modified: 09-26-2019 05:57 PM by pesik.)
RE: UH QB D'Eriq King to sit out rest of season, redshirt
weirdly enough....the vitriol and hate for this decision is coming exclusively from ya'll in this thread
almost every media outlet says they understand; espn, cbs, mcmurphy, jerry palm, gamedy .. all understand, some praising the decision, most say as long as he comes back they dont see how this can be an issue..some would be okay with this decision even of he left.....
cbs noted hit was 1st year of coach.. McMurphy noted two 6/7 win seasons or 1 great season after a down season
espn said this is abusing the rule...but if you look beyond that this absolutely the decision that needs to be made, king has to improve his passing (which has faltered this season) if you care about his future at all and his chances as a pro this had to happen
herbstreit was the only iffy person on espn, and he said he has to see how the team responds...if the team still make a bowl this is a win, if not he feels for some of the seniors, but he understands the decision
david pollock noted how king gave up tons of big offers to come to play QB at houston...he is then immediately switched to WR AT Houston and doesnt complain...that king has sacrificed a lot for the team as is
(This post was last modified: 09-26-2019 07:43 PM by pesik.)
UH QB D'Eriq King to sit out rest of season, redshirt
(09-26-2019 06:22 PM)pesik Wrote: weirdly enough....the vitriol and hate for this decision is coming exclusively from ya'll in this thread
almost every media outlet says they under espn, cbs, mcmurphy, jerry palm, gamedy .. all understand, some praising the decision, most say as long as he comes back they dont see how this can be an issue..some would be okay with this decision even of he left.....
cbs noted hit was 1st year of coach.. McMurphy noted two 6/7 win seasons or 1 great season after a down season
espn said this is abusing the rule...but if you look beyond that this absolutely the decision that needs to be made, king has to improve his passing (which has faltered this season) if you care about his future at all and his chances as a pro this had to happen
herbstreit was the only iffy person on espn, and he said he has to see how the team responds...if the team still make a bowl this is a win, if not he feels for some of the seniors, but he understands the decision
david pollock noted how king gave up tons of big offers to come to play QB at houston...he is then immediately switched to WR AT Houston and doesnt complain...that king has sacrificed a lot for the team as is
Thats what i have found funny about this. More non UH fans are hating this than UH fans. Why do they even care? If anything it just means an easy win for them. It ain’t their school so it shouldn’t matter.
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RE: UH QB D'Eriq King to sit out rest of season, redshirt
(09-26-2019 06:43 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:
(09-26-2019 06:22 PM)pesik Wrote: weirdly enough....the vitriol and hate for this decision is coming exclusively from ya'll in this thread
almost every media outlet says they under espn, cbs, mcmurphy, jerry palm, gamedy .. all understand, some praising the decision, most say as long as he comes back they dont see how this can be an issue..some would be okay with this decision even of he left.....
cbs noted hit was 1st year of coach.. McMurphy noted two 6/7 win seasons or 1 great season after a down season
espn said this is abusing the rule...but if you look beyond that this absolutely the decision that needs to be made, king has to improve his passing (which has faltered this season) if you care about his future at all and his chances as a pro this had to happen
herbstreit was the only iffy person on espn, and he said he has to see how the team responds...if the team still make a bowl this is a win, if not he feels for some of the seniors, but he understands the decision
david pollock noted how king gave up tons of big offers to come to play QB at houston...he is then immediately switched to WR AT Houston and doesnt complain...that king has sacrificed a lot for the team as is
Thats what i have found funny about this. More non UH fans are hating this than UH fans. Why do they even care? If anything it just means an easy win for them. It ain’t their school so it shouldn’t matter.
Sent from the warp via the ruinous powers of chaos.
Because they are afraid it might work? Dennis Dodd like the idea.
RE: UH QB D'Eriq King to sit out rest of season, redshirt
(09-26-2019 05:43 PM)shere khan Wrote: Talked to a friend in Houston. He is gonna red shirt his girlfriend. Training program, diet, put some work in. Thinks next year can be special.
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UH QB D'Eriq King to sit out rest of season, redshirt
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