(09-25-2019 10:03 AM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 09:43 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Would you let your son play for a coach willing to quit on a season and leave the less favored twisting in the wind?

It depends... if this is a one time thing it won’t matter. But if the coach starts doing this every year then no. But as I’ve said multiple times it requires a unique situation to work in the first place. Its not something that’s going to be able to work at a program maybe but once every 10 years.


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Houston created a valid talking point for rivals on the recruiting trail. Your coach is the shifty sort willing to exploit loopholes and throw players under the bus.

I was going to post this in another thread... I think it's a valid point, something to consider... so I'm posting it here.

(09-25-2019 10:14 AM)Digetydog Wrote:  Doesn’t every team have an obligation to field its best team in AAC games?

What if Team A wins the West because Houston tanked for them while putting up their best team against Team B?

New Rule Proposal: players who have started more than 3 games in a season may not redshirt unless the team doctor certifies that the player is injured or the player transfers to another school.

Don't think they are tanking the season. They will probably wind up with the same record either way.

The process might effect future recruiting if it fails to produce an NY6 Bowl next season and Playoff conversation.

With all the talk from some of the "Blue Bloods" about the "Transfer Portal" and the way it gives those kids (Stockpiled) a way out, I wouldn't be surprised to see changes that favor the "P5" coming to the "Transfer Portal" or the NCAA slapping Houston with violations just for being creative and taking advantage of a loophole that was intended to be used by "P5".

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(09-25-2019 10:20 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 10:03 AM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 09:43 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Would you let your son play for a coach willing to quit on a season and leave the less favored twisting in the wind?

It depends... if this is a one time thing it won’t matter. But if the coach starts doing this every year then no. But as I’ve said multiple times it requires a unique situation to work in the first place. Its not something that’s going to be able to work at a program maybe but once every 10 years.


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Houston created a valid talking point for rivals on the recruiting trail. Your coach is the shifty sort willing to exploit loopholes and throw players under the bus.

that will be easy to talk around..this will be viewed as good thing not a bad...again its year 1 of a coach...no one is making percepition from year 1

and the talking points is 30% of our players when they finished being "seniors" will not have degrees..because no one was redshirting

you guys are making a big deal about this now but holgs for the last 6 months has made countless comments about wanting to redshirt seniors even before the season

but im sure the "quit thing" will resonate more than making sure players get degrees

(09-25-2019 10:03 AM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 09:43 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Would you let your son play for a coach willing to quit on a season and leave the less favored twisting in the wind?

It depends... if this is a one time thing it won’t matter. But if the coach starts doing this every year then no. But as I’ve said multiple times it requires a unique situation to work in the first place. Its not something that’s going to be able to work at a program maybe but once every 10 years.


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So far it’s once out of one season so 100%.

Bears repeating....

"The winning is defined at University of Houston as 10 and 2," she told faculty and staff at the annual holiday party at her home. "We'll fire coaches at 8 and 4."
- Renu Khator, chancellor and president of the University of Houston - 12/9/16

(09-25-2019 11:07 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Bears repeating....

"The winning is defined at University of Houston as 10 and 2," she told faculty and staff at the annual holiday party at her home. "We'll fire coaches at 8 and 4."
- Renu Khator, chancellor and president of the University of Houston - 12/9/16

my god ....remove all context, why dont you...

this is a funny joke out of context...but people legitimately try and bring this up in real conversation like they are proving a point...

the full context was that we will not plateau at 8-4...you will not keep a job at houston passing 8-4 seasons as a success...if we feel the best you are capable of is 8-4 seasons you are fired,..

it has never been we will fire you at your 1st 8-4 season....weirdly enough holgs is going along with the true nature of that quote by redshiritng....this season would have been medicore, without king next year would have been medicore, holgs is trying to avoid that

Obviously a first year HC gets a pass. Obviously redshirting for the long term makes sense, and it could cost you success in your year.

But nobody is going to believe the coach when he springs it on you four games into what has to be percieved as a disappointing season so far.

If UH was 3-1 and he did it then people wouldn't be so suspicious. If he had said it at the beginning of the season people wouldn't be so suspicious. If he had said it before his own QB said so it also may not have looked so suspicious.

But he better damn well win 10 next season, regardless of injuries, schedule, etc. because I honestly think Houston struggles from here on out.

And he better recognize the conference is about to get better, too. Tulane, SMU, Memphis, Tulsa etc. also don't see themselves as gimmes anymore, either.

Whatever happens to the "team" concept - what's best for the "team"?

(09-25-2019 11:15 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 11:07 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Bears repeating....

"The winning is defined at University of Houston as 10 and 2," she told faculty and staff at the annual holiday party at her home. "We'll fire coaches at 8 and 4."
- Renu Khator, chancellor and president of the University of Houston - 12/9/16

my good ....remove all context, why dont you...

this is a funny joke out of context...but people legitimately try and bring this up in real conversation like they are proving a point...

the full context was that we will not plateau at 8-4...you will not keep a job at houston passing 8-4 seasons as a success...if we feel the best you are capable of is 8-4 seasons you re fired,..

it has never been we will fire you at your 1st 8-4 season....weirdly enough holgs is going along with the true nature of that quote by redshiritng....this owuld have been medicore, without king next year would have been medicore, holgs is trying to avoid that

She was not joking. Houston actually does fire coaches going 8-4.

How long will you give your current coach to win ten games in the regular season?

(09-25-2019 11:33 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 11:15 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 11:07 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Bears repeating....

"The winning is defined at University of Houston as 10 and 2," she told faculty and staff at the annual holiday party at her home. "We'll fire coaches at 8 and 4."
- Renu Khator, chancellor and president of the University of Houston - 12/9/16

my good ....remove all context, why dont you...

this is a funny joke out of context...but people legitimately try and bring this up in real conversation like they are proving a point...

the full context was that we will not plateau at 8-4...you will not keep a job at houston passing 8-4 seasons as a success...if we feel the best you are capable of is 8-4 seasons you re fired,..

it has never been we will fire you at your 1st 8-4 season....weirdly enough holgs is going along with the true nature of that quote by redshiritng....this owuld have been medicore, without king next year would have been medicore, holgs is trying to avoid that

She was not joking. Houston actually does fire coaches going 8-4.

How long will you give your current coach to win ten games in the regular season?

What's even funnier is Dana won 10 games once in his entire coaching career with his own players. He inherited the entire team the other time he won 10 games and the Orange Bowl. Other than that he has been extremely mediocre.

(09-25-2019 11:42 AM)GimmethatPiratebooty Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 11:33 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 11:15 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 11:07 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Bears repeating....

"The winning is defined at University of Houston as 10 and 2," she told faculty and staff at the annual holiday party at her home. "We'll fire coaches at 8 and 4."
- Renu Khator, chancellor and president of the University of Houston - 12/9/16

my good ....remove all context, why dont you...

this is a funny joke out of context...but people legitimately try and bring this up in real conversation like they are proving a point...

the full context was that we will not plateau at 8-4...you will not keep a job at houston passing 8-4 seasons as a success...if we feel the best you are capable of is 8-4 seasons you re fired,..

it has never been we will fire you at your 1st 8-4 season....weirdly enough holgs is going along with the true nature of that quote by redshiritng....this owuld have been medicore, without king next year would have been medicore, holgs is trying to avoid that

She was not joking. Houston actually does fire coaches going 8-4.

How long will you give your current coach to win ten games in the regular season?

What's even funnier is Dana won 10 games once in his entire coaching career with his own players. He inherited the entire team the other time he won 10 games the Orange Bowl. Other than that he has been extremely mediocre.

He averaged 7.6 wins per year at WV and won two out of seven bowl games. His win totals over the last three years are: 10, 7, and 8. At Houston, a similar trend would result in a firing, but instead Houston hired him.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_Holgorsen

(09-25-2019 11:52 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 11:42 AM)GimmethatPiratebooty Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 11:33 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 11:15 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 11:07 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Bears repeating....

"The winning is defined at University of Houston as 10 and 2," she told faculty and staff at the annual holiday party at her home. "We'll fire coaches at 8 and 4."
- Renu Khator, chancellor and president of the University of Houston - 12/9/16

my good ....remove all context, why dont you...

this is a funny joke out of context...but people legitimately try and bring this up in real conversation like they are proving a point...

the full context was that we will not plateau at 8-4...you will not keep a job at houston passing 8-4 seasons as a success...if we feel the best you are capable of is 8-4 seasons you re fired,..

it has never been we will fire you at your 1st 8-4 season....weirdly enough holgs is going along with the true nature of that quote by redshiritng....this owuld have been medicore, without king next year would have been medicore, holgs is trying to avoid that

She was not joking. Houston actually does fire coaches going 8-4.

How long will you give your current coach to win ten games in the regular season?

What's even funnier is Dana won 10 games once in his entire coaching career with his own players. He inherited the entire team the other time he won 10 games the Orange Bowl. Other than that he has been extremely mediocre.

He averaged 7.6 wins per year at WV and won two out of seven bowl games. His win totals over the last three years are: 10, 7, and 8. At Houston, a similar trend would result in a firing, but instead Houston hired him.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_Holgorsen

yes...he did that in WVU recruiting grounds..vs big 12 teams recruiting in Texas..did i mention he was located in west virginia

him and the kansas twins were on the bottom of the totem pole in the big 12 in ability to get talent as was still competitive ...

he is atop the totem pole in the AAC, in one of the high school talent meccas in the nation in houston, texas

(09-25-2019 11:52 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 11:42 AM)GimmethatPiratebooty Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 11:33 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 11:15 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 11:07 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Bears repeating....

"The winning is defined at University of Houston as 10 and 2," she told faculty and staff at the annual holiday party at her home. "We'll fire coaches at 8 and 4."
- Renu Khator, chancellor and president of the University of Houston - 12/9/16

my good ....remove all context, why dont you...

this is a funny joke out of context...but people legitimately try and bring this up in real conversation like they are proving a point...

the full context was that we will not plateau at 8-4...you will not keep a job at houston passing 8-4 seasons as a success...if we feel the best you are capable of is 8-4 seasons you re fired,..

it has never been we will fire you at your 1st 8-4 season....weirdly enough holgs is going along with the true nature of that quote by redshiritng....this owuld have been medicore, without king next year would have been medicore, holgs is trying to avoid that

She was not joking. Houston actually does fire coaches going 8-4.

How long will you give your current coach to win ten games in the regular season?

What's even funnier is Dana won 10 games once in his entire coaching career with his own players. He inherited the entire team the other time he won 10 games the Orange Bowl. Other than that he has been extremely mediocre.

He averaged 7.6 wins per year at WV and won two out of seven bowl games. His win totals over the last three years are: 10, 7, and 8. At Houston, a similar trend would result in a firing, but instead Houston hired him.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_Holgorsen

and before UH fans bring up how hard it is to recruit at WVU, they should look at the recruiting rankings. WVU recruited basically on par with the rest of the Big 12 outside of OU and UT according to Rivals.

Every school has obligation to improve their programs

(09-25-2019 12:12 PM)GimmethatPiratebooty Wrote:  and before UH fans bring up how hard it is to recruit at WVU, they should look at the recruiting rankings. WVU recruited basically on par with the rest of the Big 12 outside of OU and UT according to Rivals.

according the 247 compsite the average 7th out of 10 the last few years ..and they were 3 points away from a playoff spot last season

(09-25-2019 11:42 AM)GimmethatPiratebooty Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 11:33 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 11:15 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 11:07 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Bears repeating....

"The winning is defined at University of Houston as 10 and 2," she told faculty and staff at the annual holiday party at her home. "We'll fire coaches at 8 and 4."
- Renu Khator, chancellor and president of the University of Houston - 12/9/16

my good ....remove all context, why dont you...

this is a funny joke out of context...but people legitimately try and bring this up in real conversation like they are proving a point...

the full context was that we will not plateau at 8-4...you will not keep a job at houston passing 8-4 seasons as a success...if we feel the best you are capable of is 8-4 seasons you re fired,..

it has never been we will fire you at your 1st 8-4 season....weirdly enough holgs is going along with the true nature of that quote by redshiritng....this owuld have been medicore, without king next year would have been medicore, holgs is trying to avoid that

She was not joking. Houston actually does fire coaches going 8-4.

How long will you give your current coach to win ten games in the regular season?

What's even funnier is Dana won 10 games once in his entire coaching career with his own players. He inherited the entire team the other time he won 10 games and the Orange Bowl. Other than that he has been extremely mediocre.

lol---coach hiring criticism from an ECU fan....the very definition of irony.

How did Memphis fans get invited to holiday party
At UH chancellor's home

(09-25-2019 11:52 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 11:42 AM)GimmethatPiratebooty Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 11:33 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 11:15 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 11:07 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Bears repeating....

"The winning is defined at University of Houston as 10 and 2," she told faculty and staff at the annual holiday party at her home. "We'll fire coaches at 8 and 4."
- Renu Khator, chancellor and president of the University of Houston - 12/9/16

my good ....remove all context, why dont you...

this is a funny joke out of context...but people legitimately try and bring this up in real conversation like they are proving a point...

the full context was that we will not plateau at 8-4...you will not keep a job at houston passing 8-4 seasons as a success...if we feel the best you are capable of is 8-4 seasons you re fired,..

it has never been we will fire you at your 1st 8-4 season....weirdly enough holgs is going along with the true nature of that quote by redshiritng....this owuld have been medicore, without king next year would have been medicore, holgs is trying to avoid that

She was not joking. Houston actually does fire coaches going 8-4.

How long will you give your current coach to win ten games in the regular season?

What's even funnier is Dana won 10 games once in his entire coaching career with his own players. He inherited the entire team the other time he won 10 games the Orange Bowl. Other than that he has been extremely mediocre.

He averaged 7.6 wins per year at WV and won two out of seven bowl games. His win totals over the last three years are: 10, 7, and 8. At Houston, a similar trend would result in a firing, but instead Houston hired him.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_Holgorsen

True---BUT----He won the Big East the only year he coached in it. He coached the Mountaineers while they were stepping up in class with Big12 membership. He had a winning record in 7 out of 8 seasons, despite playing in a league where every conference road game is over a 1000 miles away. And---he earned those winning records despite being 1000 miles from the leagues primary recruiting grounds and being at a massive budget/facility deficit to most of the leagues other members. Not to mention he built one of the best offenses we ever had when he was in Houston as an OC.

Look---hiring a coach is always a crap shoot---but Dana is by far the most accomplished and qualified coach Houston has hired in decades.

(09-25-2019 12:20 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 12:12 PM)GimmethatPiratebooty Wrote:  and before UH fans bring up how hard it is to recruit at WVU, they should look at the recruiting rankings. WVU recruited basically on par with the rest of the Big 12 outside of OU and UT according to Rivals.

according the 247 compsite the average 7th out of 10 the last few years ..and they were 3 points away from a playoff spot last season

I said Rivals. Also how were they 3 points away from a playoff spot with 3 losses and they didn't even make the conference championship game, mostly because Dana blew a huge lead on the road at Ok St?