(09-23-2019 08:53 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Let's sweep away all the BS in this thread.

King quit. Nothing more or less. No way to defend it. Absolutely zero evidence there is any injury. He just didn't like the way things were going.

Exactly like UConn, only just a guy rather than a whole school.

Welcome to 2019?

It sounds like cfb is headed the way of the rest of young society. "This is hard and I don't feel like dealing with this now so I need some me time"

This is the opposite of the attitude you are supposed to draw from team sports and especially football. If in fact players' attitude was/is "you go ahead and do you man" ....smh.

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I think that the first year in any coaching regime is a throw away year, the coaches don’t have the make up an excuse, the fans will come up with their own; changing cultures, changing offensive/defensive philosophies, etc. so if coach is going to tank a season, you might as well do it in year 1. Allow your first recruiting class to get some playing time (likely promised anyway) and build for the future. Personally I think this is a decent strategy.

(09-23-2019 08:54 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(09-23-2019 08:53 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Let's sweep away all the BS in this thread.

King quit. Nothing more or less. No way to defend it. Absolutely zero evidence there is any injury. He just didn't like the way things were going.

Exactly like UConn, only just a guy rather than a whole school.

Once again it was the coach that told him to redshirt, not king. Kings dad is the one that jumped the gun and made the statement he would just transfer instead.


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Is he injured? Why the RS?

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(09-24-2019 06:56 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  The new feel good narrative on tanking the season? I’f so, all advertisers and ticket holders should be given the opportunity for a refund.

It’s amateur hour in Houston.

And yet none of that is happening in baseball or the nfl, where multiple teams are openly tanking.


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(09-24-2019 07:15 AM)panama Wrote:  

(09-23-2019 08:54 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(09-23-2019 08:53 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Let's sweep away all the BS in this thread.

King quit. Nothing more or less. No way to defend it. Absolutely zero evidence there is any injury. He just didn't like the way things were going.

Exactly like UConn, only just a guy rather than a whole school.

Once again it was the coach that told him to redshirt, not king. Kings dad is the one that jumped the gun and made the statement he would just transfer instead.


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Is he injured? Why the RS?

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Because the coach considers this a lost season and would rather tank this season and prepare for next year.


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What is gained from taking in college football? In the pro sports, you get a better draft pick which allows you to acquire better players.

In college... its the opposite? Having a dumpster fire season would only hurt recruiting. Nothing is gained?

(09-24-2019 07:16 AM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(09-24-2019 07:15 AM)panama Wrote:  

(09-23-2019 08:54 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(09-23-2019 08:53 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Let's sweep away all the BS in this thread.

King quit. Nothing more or less. No way to defend it. Absolutely zero evidence there is any injury. He just didn't like the way things were going.

Exactly like UConn, only just a guy rather than a whole school.

Once again it was the coach that told him to redshirt, not king. Kings dad is the one that jumped the gun and made the statement he would just transfer instead.


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Is he injured? Why the RS?

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Because the coach considers this a lost season and would rather tank this season and prepare for next year.


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What does that tell me as a nondescript Sr. on this team?

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(09-24-2019 07:22 AM)KnightNasty Wrote:  What is gained from taking in college football? In the pro sports, you get a better draft pick which allows you to acquire better players.

In college... its the opposite? Having a dumpster fire season would only hurt recruiting. Nothing is gained?

In the this case we gain leadership for next year. True it doesn’t work it in all cases but in this case it does.


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(09-24-2019 07:34 AM)panama Wrote:  

(09-24-2019 07:16 AM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(09-24-2019 07:15 AM)panama Wrote:  

(09-23-2019 08:54 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(09-23-2019 08:53 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Let's sweep away all the BS in this thread.

King quit. Nothing more or less. No way to defend it. Absolutely zero evidence there is any injury. He just didn't like the way things were going.

Exactly like UConn, only just a guy rather than a whole school.

Once again it was the coach that told him to redshirt, not king. Kings dad is the one that jumped the gun and made the statement he would just transfer instead.


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Is he injured? Why the RS?

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Because the coach considers this a lost season and would rather tank this season and prepare for next year.


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What does that tell me as a nondescript Sr. on this team?

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I’m hearing that multiple seniors have already been told to take a redshirt if they can.


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(09-24-2019 07:12 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  I think that the first year in any coaching regime is a throw away year, the coaches don’t have the make up an excuse, the fans will come up with their own; changing cultures, changing offensive/defensive philosophies, etc. so if coach is going to tank a season, you might as well do it in year 1. Allow your first recruiting class to get some playing time (likely promised anyway) and build for the future. Personally I think this is a decent strategy.

I think it's a little ridiculous. Most coaches only get 3 years if they are bad. If they scrap this year, what if there is actually a key injury in 2020 or 2021? I'm assuming that they won't pack it in next year if they lose their first game again.

They are also being very cavalier with recruiting. Would you stay on a team if there is a chance they'll purposefully tank in any season where they start 0-1?

Houston fans are so full of ****. Here’s the truth: Holgorsen sucks and your program is in shambles.

(09-24-2019 07:46 AM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  Houston fans are so full of ****. Here’s the truth: Holgorsen sucks and your program is in shambles.

Good to see you’re hatred of houston hasn’t clouded your judgement.


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(09-24-2019 07:45 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(09-24-2019 07:12 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  I think that the first year in any coaching regime is a throw away year, the coaches don’t have the make up an excuse, the fans will come up with their own; changing cultures, changing offensive/defensive philosophies, etc. so if coach is going to tank a season, you might as well do it in year 1. Allow your first recruiting class to get some playing time (likely promised anyway) and build for the future. Personally I think this is a decent strategy.

I think it's a little ridiculous. Most coaches only get 3 years if they are bad. If they scrap this year, what if there is actually a key injury in 2020 or 2021? I'm assuming that they won't pack it in next year if they lose their first game again.

They are also being very cavalier with recruiting. Would you stay on a team if there is a chance they'll purposefully tank in any season where they start 0-1?

Its risky for sure, but its riskier not to do it.


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(09-24-2019 07:50 AM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(09-24-2019 07:46 AM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  Houston fans are so full of ****. Here’s the truth: Holgorsen sucks and your program is in shambles.

Good to see you’re hatred of houston hasn’t clouded your judgement.


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Dude you actually believe someone’s father would just pull a transfer out of their ass and tweet it to the world. He’s gone buddy.

And don’t flatter yourself

(09-24-2019 07:15 AM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(09-24-2019 06:56 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  The new feel good narrative on tanking the season? I’f so, all advertisers and ticket holders should be given the opportunity for a refund.

It’s amateur hour in Houston.

And yet none of that is happening in baseball or the nfl, where multiple teams are openly tanking.


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This is the equivalence you are going with? Bless your soul.

(09-23-2019 11:43 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(09-23-2019 11:37 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-23-2019 11:11 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(09-23-2019 11:02 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-23-2019 09:00 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  Wrong... Holgerson said multiple times before the season he wanted another year with king. Holgerson had him start the first 4 games to see how it would work out and it didn’t. So Holgerson told him to redshirt so he could have another year to work with him. Holgerson already has multiple other seniors that are now redshirting after the tulane loss.


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I seriously doubt that is true. If it is, then Holgorsen is a freaking idiot. Not to mention, pulling a stunt like that is against the spirit of the redshirt rule, lol. Not to mention, that has to be the dumbest explanation possible. It just gets worse and worse. Keep digging that hole.

And before long, there will be a Holgorsen mod to the rules, lol.

Why is it a stupid stunt? Seriously? If the only choices you have are A. Lose all your best players in an attempt to win 6 games at absolutely best and then have to stretch out the rebuild 3 more years because of it. Or B. Redshirt them and have veteran players who now have had a year to learn the new system and will be much more ready to go as well as help the new recruits that come in.

Tbh you’re really digging just to find a reason to bag on Houston. There literally is no positive reason to NOT redshirt king this year.

Just because people don’t like that the coach has figured out a new way to game the system doesn’t mean it should be changed.


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You are totally full of crap, dude. That's what people say when they don't have a sound argument. Plus, you don't know crap about me, so don't act like you do.

I have never bagged on Houston about anything, and I'm not now. I'm neutral. I don't have it in for Houston. Don't flatter yourself by thinking otherwise. It's just a fascinating story, that's all.

I just don't believe Holgorsen talked King and Corbin into this. It makes little sense, no matter how you want to spin it into some brilliant coaching strategy.

You think the coach decided to tank the rest of the season to give them a better chance next year? No coach in his right mind would do that.

Based on what King's dad said earlier today, what I really think happened is King and Corbin got disgusted with the team's record, and decided to transfer before they blew their year of eligibility.

That's essentially what King's dad said earlier today. When they went to Holgorsen, he talked them into doing the redshirt thing, and sleeping on it, rather than telling people they are transferring. That decision can be made much later now, after everybody calms down. It also doesn't make Holgorsen look as bad.

That scenario makes much more sense than this being some brilliant strategic move by Holgorsen, who willingly gives his team a much worse record this season in hopes it's better next year.

You continue to make claims but provide absolutely no reason to back them up? Once again ill ask why wouldn’t a coach tank a season that he already knows is lost? It makes no sense to NOT tank the season when you know it will only hurt the team. Until you can answer that I don’t want to hear you’re speciation on an issue were all the facts have proven you wrong.

Once again ill post this tweet which pretty much proves all your transfer claims wrong.


https://mobile.twitter.com/LoganHolgorse...6503927809

Lets be real though if this strategy works and pays off you will hate it because it means other teams will realize it works and try it themselves. Then you’ll have to deal with the spirit of college football being ruined in your eyes.

Ill even go a far as to say any coach that doesn’t tank when he knows it will help the team is an idiot.


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If this turns out to be a grand plan by Holgorsen and King to have a better season next year, I believe there are many holes in the plan.
As a recruit or recruits parents or handlers can you trust a program that throws away a full year? These players only have four years of eligibility why would you spend it with a program that doesn’t value all four years?

There’s nothing to stop King from being a graduate transfer if a better opportunity arises.

Will King ever come back to his 2018? No guarantees of that, based on 4 games this year.

This is college football not professional. Tanking a year or two in a professional sports team is very different than tanking in college. Paid pros are going to get paid. College kids went to a school and a coach that promised them their best effort to play win and get a degree. To me this is unethical and will leave a stigma on Houston that will remain long after Holgorsen is gone.

I know some Houston fans here believe everyone wants them to fail; it’s not true so stop crying about it. But if this turns out to be a redshirt play by Holgorsen and King, I don’t like it.

(09-24-2019 07:50 AM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(09-24-2019 07:45 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(09-24-2019 07:12 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  I think that the first year in any coaching regime is a throw away year, the coaches don’t have the make up an excuse, the fans will come up with their own; changing cultures, changing offensive/defensive philosophies, etc. so if coach is going to tank a season, you might as well do it in year 1. Allow your first recruiting class to get some playing time (likely promised anyway) and build for the future. Personally I think this is a decent strategy.

I think it's a little ridiculous. Most coaches only get 3 years if they are bad. If they scrap this year, what if there is actually a key injury in 2020 or 2021? I'm assuming that they won't pack it in next year if they lose their first game again.

They are also being very cavalier with recruiting. Would you stay on a team if there is a chance they'll purposefully tank in any season where they start 0-1?

Its risky for sure, but its riskier not to do it.


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Explain. You're 0-1 in the West right now. If you were 0-3, maybe I could see the point in tanking the season. Memphis lost to Tulane and made the championship game last year. Just seems premature. If your goal is undefeated or nothing every year, you're going to end up with a whole lot of nothing.

(09-24-2019 07:22 AM)KnightNasty Wrote:  What is gained from taking in college football? In the pro sports, you get a better draft pick which allows you to acquire better players.

In college... its the opposite? Having a dumpster fire season would only hurt recruiting. Nothing is gained?

we are using the word tanking becuase its convenient...we actually dont intend to throw away the season...we are just pushing alot of the good players eligibility to next year who runs out eligibility runs out this year..houston has a ton of transfers we couldnt get eligible this year in the in the wings and few senior players

lke i said earlier i see this similar to a coach benching a better senior qb, for a worse underclass qb on a 1-3 team....they could win more games with the senior but they are building for the future

(09-24-2019 08:06 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-24-2019 07:22 AM)KnightNasty Wrote:  What is gained from taking in college football? In the pro sports, you get a better draft pick which allows you to acquire better players.

In college... its the opposite? Having a dumpster fire season would only hurt recruiting. Nothing is gained?

we are using the word tanking becuase its convenient...we actually dont intend to throw away the season...we are just pushing alot of the good players eligibility to next year who runs out eligibility runs out this year..houston has a ton of transfers we couldnt get eligible this year in the in the wings and few senior players

lke i said earlier i see this similar to a coach benching a better senior qb, for a worse underclass qb on a 1-3 team....they could win more games with the senior but they are building for the future

but of course a coach (with a brain) would generally only bench that Sr QB if they were going to be getting more than a single year and probably more than two years out of the younger QB

few coaches in college are just going to bench a clearly better Sr QB for one that is a Jr with no concern for the win loss record if they were smart they would at least play the Sr to start games and if games got out of hand one way or the other then put the Jr in the game

there are coaches that would bench a Sr for a So QB, but only if they knew the talent was there and even then they would probably have the Sr at the ready if the younger guy was just getting them blown out or playing horrible

in this case taking a guy out for a year so you can put him back in for the next year has huge risk and all the more so with a player that is not exactly big for his position and that has been getting knocked around a lot already

and an even bigger risk with loading up the entire team for one big season with no concern for 2021.....and again I am sure the rebuttal will be "well the guys playing this year (in the give up season) will have experience for 2021".....yea or they might have a lot of game tape to show schools for 2020 when they jump in the transfer portal because they are not in the mood to go back to riding the bench

if Tune plays well at all he is probably as good as gone (if king indeed stays) and I would not be surprised to see others follow when they find they are back to riding the bench for the guys that sat out this year

all of this is going to screw up a lot of player development and if next year does not pan out then 2021 is probably a disaster and even if next year is good then there is still a lot of risk for 2021 especially if guys playing clean up this year decide they they have no interest in going back to the bench

(09-24-2019 07:50 AM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(09-24-2019 07:45 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(09-24-2019 07:12 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  I think that the first year in any coaching regime is a throw away year, the coaches don’t have the make up an excuse, the fans will come up with their own; changing cultures, changing offensive/defensive philosophies, etc. so if coach is going to tank a season, you might as well do it in year 1. Allow your first recruiting class to get some playing time (likely promised anyway) and build for the future. Personally I think this is a decent strategy.

I think it's a little ridiculous. Most coaches only get 3 years if they are bad. If they scrap this year, what if there is actually a key injury in 2020 or 2021? I'm assuming that they won't pack it in next year if they lose their first game again.

They are also being very cavalier with recruiting. Would you stay on a team if there is a chance they'll purposefully tank in any season where they start 0-1?

Its risky for sure, but its riskier not to do it.


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Its riskier to not throw away the season? Huh?