(09-22-2019 11:01 AM)westwolf Wrote:  MWC is 5 - 2 vs P5. They might have a claim.

To be fair, PAC-12 teams outside of USC, Oregon, and Stanford are just MWC level teams with a better TV deal.

The AAC has been losing to teams like Ohio State, Oklahoma, Penn State, etc.

A 1 point loss to Pitt on the road could happen to anyone.

(09-22-2019 02:37 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 11:01 AM)westwolf Wrote:  MWC is 5 - 2 vs P5. They might have a claim.

To be fair, PAC-12 teams outside of USC, Oregon, and Stanford are just MWC level teams with a better TV deal.

The AAC has been losing to teams like Ohio State, Oklahoma, Penn State, etc.

A 1 point loss to Pitt on the road could happen to anyone.

But the UCF narrative was Pitt was horrible...so a loss was inconceivable to the nouveau riche.

(09-22-2019 02:34 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 02:30 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 02:29 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 09:22 AM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 09:13 AM)PicksUp Wrote:  Only the AAC fanboys believed that nonsense. Talk about circle jerk. You guys can go to your safe space in the AAC boards and claim UCF won the 2017 title.

When was the last time UTEP was relevant? Oh yeah never.

At least their school has a natty in one of the two sports that matter.

No one outside of AAC circles and sportswriters looking for "hits" seriously believed UCF won a National Championship in 2017.

Syracuse fan talking Natty's....


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(09-22-2019 02:49 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 02:37 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 11:01 AM)westwolf Wrote:  MWC is 5 - 2 vs P5. They might have a claim.

To be fair, PAC-12 teams outside of USC, Oregon, and Stanford are just MWC level teams with a better TV deal.

The AAC has been losing to teams like Ohio State, Oklahoma, Penn State, etc.

A 1 point loss to Pitt on the road could happen to anyone.

But the UCF narrative was Pitt was horrible...so a loss was inconceivable to the nouveau riche.

That's why you play the games.

Anyone who is not impressed by UCF's last three years is either drug addled or butthurt.

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(09-22-2019 02:30 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 02:29 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 09:22 AM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 09:13 AM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(09-21-2019 10:13 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  UCF did deserve playoff inclusion last year, all AAC fans know it
Boise deserved BCS bowls many years, No AAC fans want to admit it
We all are a part of the same hypocrisy

Only the AAC fanboys believed that nonsense. Talk about circle jerk. You guys can go to your safe space in the AAC boards and claim UCF won the 2017 title.

When was the last time UTEP was relevant? Oh yeah never.

At least their school has a natty in one of the two sports that matter.

No one outside of AAC circles and sportswriters looking for "hits" seriously believed UCF won a National Championship in 2017.

Syracuse fan talking Natty's....


Sure, I'll hang up and listen.

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At least Syracuse has championships in both revenue sports. Its a little different than a Georgia State fan talking championships.

(09-22-2019 03:29 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 02:30 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 02:29 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 09:22 AM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 09:13 AM)PicksUp Wrote:  Only the AAC fanboys believed that nonsense. Talk about circle jerk. You guys can go to your safe space in the AAC boards and claim UCF won the 2017 title.

When was the last time UTEP was relevant? Oh yeah never.

At least their school has a natty in one of the two sports that matter.

No one outside of AAC circles and sportswriters looking for "hits" seriously believed UCF won a National Championship in 2017.

Syracuse fan talking Natty's....


Sure, I'll hang up and listen.

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At least Syracuse has championships in both revenue sports. Its a little different than a Georgia State fan talking championships.

We have had football 10 years. FBS 5. What's everyone else's excuse?

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(09-22-2019 03:46 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 03:29 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 02:30 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 02:29 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 09:22 AM)BraveKnight Wrote:  When was the last time UTEP was relevant? Oh yeah never.

At least their school has a natty in one of the two sports that matter.

No one outside of AAC circles and sportswriters looking for "hits" seriously believed UCF won a National Championship in 2017.

Syracuse fan talking Natty's....


Sure, I'll hang up and listen.

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At least Syracuse has championships in both revenue sports. Its a little different than a Georgia State fan talking championships.

We have had football 10 years. FBS 5. What's everyone else's excuse?

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Winning championships are tough...play 9-10 P5 programs every year and see.

We played WMU yesterday and they hung tough but they also lost their two best offensive players and two other big contributers in the process. Attrition is real.

The Biggest schools stockpile kids on the 2nd and 3rd team who would start for most of the other 115 teams out there. UCF would've lost at least 2-3 games in most P5 leagues in 2017 with that team. Injuries would've happened at a higher clip and they don't have the depth of Bama, Clemson, Notre Dame, Georgia, Ohio State, etc...

They are a nice story of a new program building but they were not a playoff team...I'd have no issue saying they were a Top 10 team in 2017 though.

Found a clip of Quo writing this post...

(09-22-2019 02:04 PM)RockyMTNTiger Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 01:07 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 09:42 AM)RockyMTNTiger Wrote:  A team on a two + year winning streak, ranked by just about the entire known college football world
goes on the road and loses by one point to a fair to middling ACC team. Good grief the horror. Whatever happened to the on-any-given-day tagline used by all the almost or used to be blue blood programs that get their nuts kicked in by one of the world's have-nots? UCF may or may not be as good this year as in past years but to come to a definitive conclusion based on a 1 point loss on the road in an effort to validate some preconceived signature anti AAC mantra is not just silly its fully contrived and valueless.

If you weren't so badly biased, you would realize your statement was nonsensical. Because rather than drawing a conclusion based on one game, i drew it based on all of the games since 2017.

That's what 24-0 and 4-2 refer to. Literally all the games

Badly biased? Nonsensical? Please child. You chose to trot this post out after a 1 point on the road loss by a team in the midst of a huge winning period: its your myopia that leads you down these pointless and vapid arguments in a sort of comical effort to support some deep personal paranoia and hurt you carry. Get real.

The Memphis Tigers fan claims he isn't badly biased? Then what else can we blame your obviously wrong claim about me citing one game to my case on? Sheer stupidity? Sorry, but this isn't the AAC fanboy board, you can't get away with that here.

24 - 0

4 - 2

All the games. Good Lord.

(09-22-2019 03:29 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 02:30 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 02:29 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 09:22 AM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 09:13 AM)PicksUp Wrote:  Only the AAC fanboys believed that nonsense. Talk about circle jerk. You guys can go to your safe space in the AAC boards and claim UCF won the 2017 title.

When was the last time UTEP was relevant? Oh yeah never.

At least their school has a natty in one of the two sports that matter.

No one outside of AAC circles and sportswriters looking for "hits" seriously believed UCF won a National Championship in 2017.

Syracuse fan talking Natty's....


Sure, I'll hang up and listen.

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At least Syracuse has championships in both revenue sports. Its a little different than a Georgia State fan talking championships.

I miss throttling Sorry Cuse every year.

(09-22-2019 03:21 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 02:49 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 02:37 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 11:01 AM)westwolf Wrote:  MWC is 5 - 2 vs P5. They might have a claim.

To be fair, PAC-12 teams outside of USC, Oregon, and Stanford are just MWC level teams with a better TV deal.

The AAC has been losing to teams like Ohio State, Oklahoma, Penn State, etc.

A 1 point loss to Pitt on the road could happen to anyone.

But the UCF narrative was Pitt was horrible...so a loss was inconceivable to the nouveau riche.

That's why you play the games.

Anyone who is not impressed by UCF's last three years is either drug addled or butthurt.

Nobody said what UCF has done the past 2+ years wasn't impressive. It is.

But UCF hasn't been worthy of CFP playoff consideration. That's partially the point that UCF fans have missed all along - it's not either/or. You *can* have a very impressive season and *still* not be worthy of the playoffs. Only 4/130 can get in, so the bar is very high. Just look at Ohio State the last two season - very impressive each year, also not worthy of the playoffs each year.

Too high for UCF, and rightly so.

(09-22-2019 04:29 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 03:46 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 03:29 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 02:30 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 02:29 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  At least their school has a natty in one of the two sports that matter.

No one outside of AAC circles and sportswriters looking for "hits" seriously believed UCF won a National Championship in 2017.

Syracuse fan talking Natty's....


Sure, I'll hang up and listen.

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At least Syracuse has championships in both revenue sports. Its a little different than a Georgia State fan talking championships.

We have had football 10 years. FBS 5. What's everyone else's excuse?

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Winning championships are tough...play 9-10 P5 programs every year and see.

We played WMU yesterday and they hung tough but they also lost their two best offensive players and two other big contributers in the process. Attrition is real.

The Biggest schools stockpile kids on the 2nd and 3rd team who would start for most of the other 115 teams out there. UCF would've lost at least 2-3 games in most P5 leagues in 2017 with that team. Injuries would've happened at a higher clip and they don't have the depth of Bama, Clemson, Notre Dame, Georgia, Ohio State, etc...

They are a nice story of a new program building but they were not a playoff team...I'd have no issue saying they were a Top 10 team in 2017 though.

1. If we were in a P5 conference, we'd recruit at the P5 level.
2. The AAC is occupying the same competitive space as the Big East was during the BCS era post-2005. We have 12 teams versus 8, so the exact comparison is a little difficult and probably results in a slightly easier slate, but the quality at the top of the conference is about the same. The only difference is that an arbitrary label has been assigned and the media narrative is following that. I'd absolutely put the Top 8 in the AAC up against the Top 8 of the Big East. But for that arbitrary label change, UCF would have played for the national title at least in 2017, maybe not last year with 2 undefeated teams from higher conferences (see Cincy's undefeated season).

UCF vs WVU -> slight edge, WVU, I think their line play was better than what we've had, but that's the RichRod teams; Stewart on, I'd say UCF
Houston vs UL -> tie, very similar levels of success and big wins
Memphis vs Pitt -> UM, Stache had a few decent teams, but Pitt was pretty mediocre
Navy vs Rutgers -> Schiano years, adv Rutgers; post Schiano, adv Navy
Temple vs Syracuse -> adv Temple, Cuse was total garbage most of those years
Cincy = Cincy
USF = USF
UConn = UConn (dug their own grave while still an AQ team with bad coaching hires)

Anyway, yesterday kind of reminded me of 2006 WVU with Pat White shitting the bed against Wannstache's Pitt. We aren't as good as that 2006 WVU team, but the point is Pitt gets up for one big game a year and nothing else; that's been their MO for a long time now.

The problem with the initial post is that while Quo is biased butt hurt with the AAC and therefore must denigrate UCF - he has built his faulty conclusion on a skimpy foundation with illogical consideration. If it took more than a second to realize I am not a UCF supporter one way or the other he might have began to reason that my difficulty with his erroneous thought process has more to do with all of us have-nots in general and not UCF in particular. My argument is simple: Any other non power conference program that proved themselves with an identical record over a similar amount of time whether it be Boise, Marshall, BYU or University XYC would have earned the right. Moreover, any concrete conclusion reached by a historical analysis of 6 games is a puny, weak and flawed foundation for such a theory.

(09-22-2019 05:05 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 03:29 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 02:30 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 02:29 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 09:22 AM)BraveKnight Wrote:  When was the last time UTEP was relevant? Oh yeah never.

At least their school has a natty in one of the two sports that matter.

No one outside of AAC circles and sportswriters looking for "hits" seriously believed UCF won a National Championship in 2017.

Syracuse fan talking Natty's....


Sure, I'll hang up and listen.

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At least Syracuse has championships in both revenue sports. Its a little different than a Georgia State fan talking championships.

I miss throttling Sorry Cuse every year.

All that throttling got you a permanent position in the G5. Have fun.

(09-22-2019 06:13 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 05:05 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 03:29 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 02:30 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 02:29 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  At least their school has a natty in one of the two sports that matter.

No one outside of AAC circles and sportswriters looking for "hits" seriously believed UCF won a National Championship in 2017.

Syracuse fan talking Natty's....


Sure, I'll hang up and listen.

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At least Syracuse has championships in both revenue sports. Its a little different than a Georgia State fan talking championships.

I miss throttling Sorry Cuse every year.

All that throttling got you a permanent position in the G5. Have fun.

Lot of good it seems to be doing for you guys.

(09-22-2019 05:12 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 04:29 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 03:46 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 03:29 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 02:30 PM)panama Wrote:  Syracuse fan talking Natty's....


Sure, I'll hang up and listen.

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At least Syracuse has championships in both revenue sports. Its a little different than a Georgia State fan talking championships.

We have had football 10 years. FBS 5. What's everyone else's excuse?

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Winning championships are tough...play 9-10 P5 programs every year and see.

We played WMU yesterday and they hung tough but they also lost their two best offensive players and two other big contributers in the process. Attrition is real.

The Biggest schools stockpile kids on the 2nd and 3rd team who would start for most of the other 115 teams out there. UCF would've lost at least 2-3 games in most P5 leagues in 2017 with that team. Injuries would've happened at a higher clip and they don't have the depth of Bama, Clemson, Notre Dame, Georgia, Ohio State, etc...

They are a nice story of a new program building but they were not a playoff team...I'd have no issue saying they were a Top 10 team in 2017 though.

1. If we were in a P5 conference, we'd recruit at the P5 level.
What does this have to do with anything? Your teams are your teams, this isn't affirmative action where you get 10 extra points added to your games
2. The AAC is occupying the same competitive space as the Big East was during the BCS era post-2005. We have 12 teams versus 8, so the exact comparison is a little difficult and probably results in a slightly easier slate, but the quality at the top of the conference is about the same. The only difference is that an arbitrary label has been assigned and the media narrative is following that. I'd absolutely put the Top 8 in the AAC up against the Top 8 of the Big East. But for that arbitrary label change, UCF would have played for the national title at least in 2017, maybe not last year with 2 undefeated teams from higher conferences (see Cincy's undefeated season).

UCF vs WVU -> slight edge, WVU, I think their line play was better than what we've had, but that's the RichRod teams; Stewart on, I'd say UCF
Houston vs UL -> tie, very similar levels of success and big wins
Memphis vs Pitt -> UM, Stache had a few decent teams, but Pitt was pretty mediocre
Navy vs Rutgers -> Schiano years, adv Rutgers; post Schiano, adv Navy)
Temple vs Syracuse -> adv Temple, Cuse was total garbage most of those years
Cincy = Cincy
USF = USF
UConn = UConn (dug their own grave while still an AQ team with bad coaching hires)
These arbitrary diatribes are cute. BTW, Cuse was 18-1 over the last 19 games versus Temple and beat them the only time we played them post 2005. Cuse is 4-0 in Bowl wins versus P5 teams post 2005. Temple is 0-3 versus P5 teams in Bowls (2 of which are ACC teams) during the same period. The BCS Big East and the 2013+ ACC has been better than any league UCF has been in at the time. You can't always assume a 7-5 AAC team is better than a 4 or 5 win ACC team. The bottom of the AAC is generally filled with lay ups which pad your wins.
Anyway, yesterday kind of reminded me of 2006 WVU with Pat White shitting the bed against Wannstache's Pitt. We aren't as good as that 2006 WVU team, but the point is Pitt gets up for one big game a year and nothing else; that's been their MO for a long time now.

(09-22-2019 05:12 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 04:29 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 03:46 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 03:29 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 02:30 PM)panama Wrote:  Syracuse fan talking Natty's....


Sure, I'll hang up and listen.

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At least Syracuse has championships in both revenue sports. Its a little different than a Georgia State fan talking championships.

We have had football 10 years. FBS 5. What's everyone else's excuse?

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Winning championships are tough...play 9-10 P5 programs every year and see.

We played WMU yesterday and they hung tough but they also lost their two best offensive players and two other big contributers in the process. Attrition is real.

The Biggest schools stockpile kids on the 2nd and 3rd team who would start for most of the other 115 teams out there. UCF would've lost at least 2-3 games in most P5 leagues in 2017 with that team. Injuries would've happened at a higher clip and they don't have the depth of Bama, Clemson, Notre Dame, Georgia, Ohio State, etc...

They are a nice story of a new program building but they were not a playoff team...I'd have no issue saying they were a Top 10 team in 2017 though.

1. If we were in a P5 conference, we'd recruit at the P5 level.
2. The AAC is occupying the same competitive space as the Big East was during the BCS era post-2005. We have 12 teams versus 8, so the exact comparison is a little difficult and probably results in a slightly easier slate, but the quality at the top of the conference is about the same. The only difference is that an arbitrary label has been assigned and the media narrative is following that. I'd absolutely put the Top 8 in the AAC up against the Top 8 of the Big East. But for that arbitrary label change, UCF would have played for the national title at least in 2017, maybe not last year with 2 undefeated teams from higher conferences (see Cincy's undefeated season).

UCF vs WVU -> slight edge, WVU, I think their line play was better than what we've had, but that's the RichRod teams; Stewart on, I'd say UCF
Houston vs UL -> tie, very similar levels of success and big wins
Memphis vs Pitt -> UM, Stache had a few decent teams, but Pitt was pretty mediocre
Navy vs Rutgers -> Schiano years, adv Rutgers; post Schiano, adv Navy
Temple vs Syracuse -> adv Temple, Cuse was total garbage most of those years
Cincy = Cincy
USF = USF
UConn = UConn (dug their own grave while still an AQ team with bad coaching hires)

Anyway, yesterday kind of reminded me of 2006 WVU with Pat White shitting the bed against Wannstache's Pitt. We aren't as good as that 2006 WVU team, but the point is Pitt gets up for one big game a year and nothing else; that's been their MO for a long time now.

We have already done this comparison of the BE and the current AAC. And it was no contest. The AAC has not been close to the BE from 2005. And rather doing a comparison based on your perception, BCS data and computers, wins and losses, team and conference rankings and SOS were what were used. Even comparisons against the MWC were used. There is no comparison.

(09-22-2019 05:19 PM)RockyMTNTiger Wrote:  The problem with the initial post is that while Quo is biased butt hurt with the AAC and therefore must denigrate UCF - he has built his faulty conclusion on a skimpy foundation with illogical consideration. If it took more than a second to realize I am not a UCF supporter one way or the other he might have began to reason that my difficulty with his erroneous thought process has more to do with all of us have-nots in general and not UCF in particular. My argument is simple: Any other non power conference program that proved themselves with an identical record over a similar amount of time whether it be Boise, Marshall, BYU or University XYC would have earned the right. Moreover, any concrete conclusion reached by a historical analysis of 6 games is a puny, weak and flawed foundation for such a theory.

While 6 games would be hard to prove statisically valid...it is all you can go on.

I agree Quo has a hard on for UCF but he is a USF fan.

FBS college football has the lamest playoff structure of any sport in any level. That is why UCF has not been considered and also why it is lame.

(09-22-2019 04:29 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 03:46 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 03:29 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 02:30 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 02:29 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  At least their school has a natty in one of the two sports that matter.

No one outside of AAC circles and sportswriters looking for "hits" seriously believed UCF won a National Championship in 2017.

Syracuse fan talking Natty's....


Sure, I'll hang up and listen.

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At least Syracuse has championships in both revenue sports. Its a little different than a Georgia State fan talking championships.

We have had football 10 years. FBS 5. What's everyone else's excuse?

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Winning championships are tough...play 9-10 P5 programs every year and see.

We played WMU yesterday and they hung tough but they also lost their two best offensive players and two other big contributers in the process. Attrition is real.

The Biggest schools stockpile kids on the 2nd and 3rd team who would start for most of the other 115 teams out there. UCF would've lost at least 2-3 games in most P5 leagues in 2017 with that team. Injuries would've happened at a higher clip and they don't have the depth of Bama, Clemson, Notre Dame, Georgia, Ohio State, etc...

They are a nice story of a new program building but they were not a playoff team...I'd have no issue saying they were a Top 10 team in 2017 though.

Nice theory...



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