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We need to stay out of this one. Let China or Russia police this incident

If it's Iran and an attack is lunched better be ready for FULL Nuclear, if not Iran will wreck the Middle East.

Meh, go Iran. **** Saudi Arabia. **** them both, but **** Saudi Arabia more.

I'm taking and have taken the Rand Paul route, we do not have any business in that fight. Let the Arabs defend their own assets. Why should we put our military in harms way for a bunch of oil rich royalty. Stay out of it Trump.

I suggest a mod merge this with 'poke poke the bear' and apply a subject title that at least mentions 'Iran drones' in some capacity....

yeah, yeah, yeah.....I know....this coming from my arse....

I honestly think this thread should be pinned.....this one is worthy of paying very close attention to moving forward...

(09-15-2019 08:19 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  I'm taking and have taken the Rand Paul route, we do not have any business in that fight. Let the Arabs defend their own assets. Why should we put our military in harms way for a bunch of oil rich royalty. Stay out of it Trump.

I completely agree.....

I could also see this as another caveat at DJT's disposal to help with future trade negotiations with those slimy bastages...

the Yuan is being squeezed like an asian hooker for the first time,..

I haven't heard anyone come up with that posit....but they will very soon....they just won't say it in 'stink-420-style'....

How does this effect Alabama?

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Here is the elephant in the room. We don't depend on Saudi--or Mideast--oil. NAFTA is basically oil self-sufficient, and the US by itself is close, thanks to fracking. Some Saudi oil may make its way here, but that's just in the normal flow of commerce.

But China does. It imports a lot of oil, and 2/3 of it comes from the Mideast. That fraction may go down slightly with a new pipeline from Siberia, but China will still depend heavily on the Mideast. Without it, their economy collapses and they have mass starvation. Until somebody figures out how to run a pipeline across the Himalayas, that oil has to come by sea, through the Straits of Hormuz, around India, and through the Straits of Malacca or some other passage through Indonesia. And China does not yet have a navy that can secure that supply chain.

We do it for them, in our role as world policeman. We are also doing it for Japan, South Korea, and others. If we pull out, there is a very likely possibility that China, Japan, India, and the others will get involved in some kind of battle over securing oil supplies. China does not really have the upper hand in such a struggle. China's other option would be to invade Siberia and take over Russia's extensive oil and gas fields. There was a Clancy novel about that.

China has a very capable navy when the opponent is Iran. I suspect China could be very very disruptive to Iran’s interests if they decide to do so. Let’s be honest—Iran isn’t going to invade China. So, if there is a Iran-China conflict—-it’s far more likely Iran feels the brunt of it. I doubt Iran could ship one drop of oil to anyone if China decides it wants to go that route.

(09-15-2019 06:57 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  If it's Iran and an attack is lunched better be ready for FULL Nuclear, if not Iran will wreck the Middle East.

It's Iran, or their proxies. This is/was an obvious, blatant attack on Saudi. The Saudi's have plenty of money, arms, jets etc., but the will to fight? Will they fight?

I'm very skeptical. 3000 cousins living on an ocean of oil and hiring foreigners to do their bidding to make them comfy. Not sure I see it.

But. If nothing else, this is NOT our war. If Iran (moolahs) wants to gamble on their own demise? Guess they just rolled the die.

With our now, new found, energy independence, this has much less direct impact on us, as in US- 'Muricans.

Saudi can take it on, or those more directly impacted- i.e. China, Japan, Indonesia, likely Australia and Europe as well.

Time for these "New Nato" jokers to step up. Thinking we're done with this crap.

(09-15-2019 08:27 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  I suggest a mod merge this with 'poke poke the bear' and apply a subject title that at least mentions 'Iran drones' in some capacity....

yeah, yeah, yeah.....I know....this coming from my arse....

I honestly think this thread should be pinned.....this one is worthy of paying very close attention to moving forward...

Thought I'd posted about this, pretty sure about it actually. but hadn't bothered to look again, yet.

Either one is fine, merge them. Both reasonably clevah titles...


Effing Kurk Cuzins. Over-paid hack.

So am I hearing we are perfectly fine with China going scorched Earth in Iran and taking it over? Is it better to have China running a country in the ME?

(09-15-2019 08:19 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  I'm taking and have taken the Rand Paul route, we do not have any business in that fight. Let the Arabs defend their own assets. Why should we put our military in harms way for a bunch of oil rich royalty. Stay out of it Trump.

That right there is the best thing I've read lately on this board...

No worries, they only gave him blanks.

Good, we're all in agreement. I'm looking forward to seeing folks criticize Trump if he doesn't sit this one out.

(09-16-2019 07:41 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Good, we're all in agreement. I'm looking forward to seeing folks criticize Trump if he doesn't sit this one out.

We've had no issue criticizing the man on certain points... Maybe not all of us at one time, but we've all said something..

When's the last time a lib has criticized a dem politician?

(09-16-2019 07:32 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  So am I hearing we are perfectly fine with China going scorched Earth in Iran and taking it over? Is it better to have China running a country in the ME?

I’m not “fine” with any of it.

Schit like this is unnecessary in any semblance of a sane world and I have next to NO idea what whoever did this thought it would accomplish in a constructive way.

But, pretty clear to me this is an act of war, I’ll leave it to the paygrade of the Pompeo’s of the world to decide on our response.

Not sure how I see Saudi just letting this go without a response. But, what?

(09-16-2019 07:41 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Good, we're all in agreement. I'm looking forward to seeing folks criticize Trump if he doesn't sit this one out.

You certainly look forward to some very odd things.

I don’t know of anyone that looks forward to war, least of all those charged with waging it.

(09-16-2019 07:32 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  So am I hearing we are perfectly fine with China going scorched Earth in Iran and taking it over? Is it better to have China running a country in the ME?

When the country is Iran, I think China might very well do a better job of running it than the people currently in charge.

But running Iran wouldn't solve China's problem. It maybe reduces risk as far as production and getting the oil the Straits of Hormuz, but that oil still has a few thousand miles to go, around India and through the Straits of Malacca or otherwise through the Indonesian archipelago. That route is fraught with peril every foot of the way, and China does not yet have a navy that can protect it