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Anybody else notice the faux paus by the MU cheerleaders?

(09-14-2019 07:00 PM)bearcat72 Wrote:  Anybody else notice the faux paus by the MU cheerleaders?

Reminds me of the old joke, "My boyfriend was wearing his letter sweater when we...…, oh , does he go to Michigan, no Wisconsin_.

(09-14-2019 07:00 PM)bearcat72 Wrote:  Anybody else notice the faux paus by the MU cheerleaders?

"Public Ivy"

"M... W... Like, what's the difference?"

(09-14-2019 08:18 PM)crex043 Wrote:  

(09-14-2019 07:00 PM)bearcat72 Wrote:  Anybody else notice the faux paus by the MU cheerleaders?

"Public Ivy"

Their obsession with trumpeting that 35 year old book has long crossed over into self-parody. It doesn't mean anything. It was the opinion of one guy, and even then, Miami and Vermont were thrown onto the list to make it unique and gin up some controversy. Does anyone think that Cal or Virginia even talk about it anymore much less make it the defining event in their existence? Does anyone think that Miami has ever been a better university than schools like Washington, Wisconsin, Illinois or Minnesota that were left off the list? I'll leave OSU off that latter list because they were just coming out of their forced open admission period that was the very basis for Miami's temporary "public ivy" glory. Look at what's happened since. OSU dominates Miami in rankings and admissions selectivity, so it's pretty clear that the mid 60s to the mid 80s were an abnormal deviation from the normal pecking order in Ohio.

Besides "Ivy League" has always meant more than simply academic excellence. It's also a reference to social cache and elitism as there are schools (Chicago, MIT an Cal Tech notably) that are clearly better than half the Ivy League but have never been seen as having the social cache for the wealthy and elite as have Dartmouth or Brown. And that social and economic elitism is everything a public university should not be striving to replicate.

Miami is a garbage school that's been sitting up in that cornfield smelling their own farts and rereading their holy ancient public ivy text over and over for the last 35 years. It's a self-aggrandizing safety school for conservative preppy kids who want to join a frat and major in business while being surrounded exclusively by other conservative preppy kids who join frats and major in business. It's full of kids who didn't get into Illinois, Wisconsin, Indiana, Michigan or Ohio State and then try to use that yellowed, old book to convince themselves and everyone around them that Miami is actually equal to or better than the schools that rejected them. I may not like everything about Ohio State or everything they do, but I respect them as a university and feel that they provide Ohio with a solid, first class flagship research university. I have no such respect for Miami. I think it's a joke of a school, a poor man's Pepperdine.

Rant over.

(09-15-2019 09:11 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  

(09-14-2019 08:18 PM)crex043 Wrote:  

(09-14-2019 07:00 PM)bearcat72 Wrote:  Anybody else notice the faux paus by the MU cheerleaders?

"Public Ivy"

Their obsession with trumpeting that 35 year old book has long crossed over into self-parody. It doesn't mean anything. It was the opinion of one guy, and even then, Miami and Vermont were thrown onto the list to make it unique and gin up some controversy. Does anyone think that Cal or Virginia even talk about it anymore much less make it the defining event in their existence? Does anyone think that Miami has ever been a better university than schools like Washington, Wisconsin, Illinois or Minnesota that were left off the list? I'll leave OSU off that latter list because they were just coming out of their forced open admission period that was the very basis for Miami's temporary "public ivy" glory. Look at what's happened since. OSU dominates Miami in rankings and admissions selectivity, so it's pretty clear that the mid 60s to the mid 80s were an abnormal deviation from the normal pecking order in Ohio.

Besides "Ivy League" has always meant more than simply academic excellence. It's also a reference to social cache and elitism as there are schools (Chicago, MIT an Cal Tech notably) that are clearly better than half the Ivy League but have never been seen as having the social cache for the wealthy and elite as have Dartmouth or Brown. And that social and economic elitism is everything a public university should not be striving to replicate.

Miami is a garbage school that's been sitting up in that cornfield smelling their own farts and rereading their holy ancient public ivy text over and over for the last 35 years. It's a self-aggrandizing safety school for conservative preppy kids who want to join a frat and major in business while being surrounded exclusively by other conservative preppy kids who join frats and major in business. It's full of kids who didn't get into Illinois, Wisconsin, Indiana, Michigan or Ohio State and then try to use that yellowed, old book to convince themselves and everyone around them that Miami is actually equal to or better than the schools that rejected them. I may not like everything about Ohio State or everything they do, but I respect them as a university and feel that they provide Ohio with a solid, first class flagship research university. I have no such respect for Miami. I think it's a joke of a school, a poor man's Pepperdine.

Rant over.

Damn!!!

(09-15-2019 09:11 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  Their obsession with trumpeting that 35 year old book has long crossed over into self-parody. It doesn't mean anything. It was the opinion of one guy, and even then, Miami and Vermont were thrown onto the list to make it unique and gin up some controversy. Does anyone think that Cal or Virginia even talk about it anymore much less make it the defining event in their existence? Does anyone think that Miami has ever been a better university than schools like Washington, Wisconsin, Illinois or Minnesota that were left off the list? I'll leave OSU off that latter list because they were just coming out of their forced open admission period that was the very basis for Miami's temporary "public ivy" glory. Look at what's happened since. OSU dominates Miami in rankings and admissions selectivity, so it's pretty clear that the mid 60s to the mid 80s were an abnormal deviation from the normal pecking order in Ohio.

Besides "Ivy League" has always meant more than simply academic excellence. It's also a reference to social cache and elitism as there are schools (Chicago, MIT an Cal Tech notably) that are clearly better than half the Ivy League but have never been seen as having the social cache for the wealthy and elite as have Dartmouth or Brown. And that social and economic elitism is everything a public university should not be striving to replicate.

Miami is a garbage school that's been sitting up in that cornfield smelling their own farts and rereading their holy ancient public ivy text over and over for the last 35 years. It's a self-aggrandizing safety school for conservative preppy kids who want to join a frat and major in business while being surrounded exclusively by other conservative preppy kids who join frats and major in business. It's full of kids who didn't get into Illinois, Wisconsin, Indiana, Michigan or Ohio State and then try to use that yellowed, old book to convince themselves and everyone around them that Miami is actually equal to or better than the schools that rejected them. I may not like everything about Ohio State or everything they do, but I respect them as a university and feel that they provide Ohio with a solid, first class flagship research university. I have no such respect for Miami. I think it's a joke of a school, a poor man's Pepperdine.

Rant over.

Beautiful.

I moved to Cincinnati from elsewhere - it didn't take me long to recognize the difference between OSU, UC and Miami alums. The snobs were always the Miami alums. Always.

(09-15-2019 09:11 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  

(09-14-2019 08:18 PM)crex043 Wrote:  

(09-14-2019 07:00 PM)bearcat72 Wrote:  Anybody else notice the faux paus by the MU cheerleaders?

"Public Ivy"

Their obsession with trumpeting that 35 year old book has long crossed over into self-parody. It doesn't mean anything. It was the opinion of one guy, and even then, Miami and Vermont were thrown onto the list to make it unique and gin up some controversy. Does anyone think that Cal or Virginia even talk about it anymore much less make it the defining event in their existence? Does anyone think that Miami has ever been a better university than schools like Washington, Wisconsin, Illinois or Minnesota that were left off the list? I'll leave OSU off that latter list because they were just coming out of their forced open admission period that was the very basis for Miami's temporary "public ivy" glory. Look at what's happened since. OSU dominates Miami in rankings and admissions selectivity, so it's pretty clear that the mid 60s to the mid 80s were an abnormal deviation from the normal pecking order in Ohio.

Besides "Ivy League" has always meant more than simply academic excellence. It's also a reference to social cache and elitism as there are schools (Chicago, MIT an Cal Tech notably) that are clearly better than half the Ivy League but have never been seen as having the social cache for the wealthy and elite as have Dartmouth or Brown. And that social and economic elitism is everything a public university should not be striving to replicate.

Miami is a garbage school that's been sitting up in that cornfield smelling their own farts and rereading their holy ancient public ivy text over and over for the last 35 years. It's a self-aggrandizing safety school for conservative preppy kids who want to join a frat and major in business while being surrounded exclusively by other conservative preppy kids who join frats and major in business. It's full of kids who didn't get into Illinois, Wisconsin, Indiana, Michigan or Ohio State and then try to use that yellowed, old book to convince themselves and everyone around them that Miami is actually equal to or better than the schools that rejected them. I may not like everything about Ohio State or everything they do, but I respect them as a university and feel that they provide Ohio with a solid, first class flagship research university. I have no such respect for Miami. I think it's a joke of a school, a poor man's Pepperdine.

Rant over.

(09-15-2019 10:03 AM)Nittany_Bearcat Wrote:  

(09-15-2019 09:11 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  Their obsession with trumpeting that 35 year old book has long crossed over into self-parody. It doesn't mean anything. It was the opinion of one guy, and even then, Miami and Vermont were thrown onto the list to make it unique and gin up some controversy. Does anyone think that Cal or Virginia even talk about it anymore much less make it the defining event in their existence? Does anyone think that Miami has ever been a better university than schools like Washington, Wisconsin, Illinois or Minnesota that were left off the list? I'll leave OSU off that latter list because they were just coming out of their forced open admission period that was the very basis for Miami's temporary "public ivy" glory. Look at what's happened since. OSU dominates Miami in rankings and admissions selectivity, so it's pretty clear that the mid 60s to the mid 80s were an abnormal deviation from the normal pecking order in Ohio.

Besides "Ivy League" has always meant more than simply academic excellence. It's also a reference to social cache and elitism as there are schools (Chicago, MIT an Cal Tech notably) that are clearly better than half the Ivy League but have never been seen as having the social cache for the wealthy and elite as have Dartmouth or Brown. And that social and economic elitism is everything a public university should not be striving to replicate.

Miami is a garbage school that's been sitting up in that cornfield smelling their own farts and rereading their holy ancient public ivy text over and over for the last 35 years. It's a self-aggrandizing safety school for conservative preppy kids who want to join a frat and major in business while being surrounded exclusively by other conservative preppy kids who join frats and major in business. It's full of kids who didn't get into Illinois, Wisconsin, Indiana, Michigan or Ohio State and then try to use that yellowed, old book to convince themselves and everyone around them that Miami is actually equal to or better than the schools that rejected them. I may not like everything about Ohio State or everything they do, but I respect them as a university and feel that they provide Ohio with a solid, first class flagship research university. I have no such respect for Miami. I think it's a joke of a school, a poor man's Pepperdine.

Rant over.

Beautiful.

I moved to Cincinnati from elsewhere - it didn't take me long to recognize the difference between OSU, UC and Miami alums. The snobs were always the Miami alums. Always.

I have friends who are Miami professors. One of them told me that he thought Miami students weren't necessarily smarter or dumber than at other schools, but they have one big advantage: their parents are professionals and they know how to present themselves & act professionally when it counts. He said Miami grads would make the world's best sales team.

(09-15-2019 10:03 AM)Nittany_Bearcat Wrote:  Beautiful.

I moved to Cincinnati from elsewhere - it didn't take me long to recognize the difference between OSU, UC and Miami alums. The snobs were always the Miami alums. Always.

It really is something to behold. I don't know if it's comical or sad, but is there any other school in the country where the students and alums perception of the place is so far off from where the school really sits on the food chain. They literally just clocked in at 91 in the USNWR rankings, yet their people have the nerve to look down their noses at the rest of the Ohio publics (OSU included) and pretend that they're some elite private school.

(09-15-2019 04:40 PM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  

(09-15-2019 10:03 AM)Nittany_Bearcat Wrote:  Beautiful.

I moved to Cincinnati from elsewhere - it didn't take me long to recognize the difference between OSU, UC and Miami alums. The snobs were always the Miami alums. Always.

It really is something to behold. I don't know if it's comical or sad, but is there any other school in the country where the students and alums perception of the place is so far off from where the school really sits on the food chain. They literally just clocked in at 91 in the USNWR rankings, yet their people have the nerve to look down their noses at the rest of the Ohio publics (OSU included) and pretend that they're some elite private school.

Pretty much any private liberal arts college is the same way. Kenyon, Oberlin, Dennison, Earlham, Wabash. They think they're elite because they used to be elite 2 generations ago. They don't recognize that they're now way behind the schools they used to look down on like Butler, Dayton, OSU, etc.

Funny story - Purdue is called the Boilermakers because Wabash fans said they were mere blacksmiths that made boilers. Not educated upper class "gentlemen" like Wabash. The tables have turned a bit since then.

(09-15-2019 05:00 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(09-15-2019 04:40 PM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  

(09-15-2019 10:03 AM)Nittany_Bearcat Wrote:  Beautiful.

I moved to Cincinnati from elsewhere - it didn't take me long to recognize the difference between OSU, UC and Miami alums. The snobs were always the Miami alums. Always.

It really is something to behold. I don't know if it's comical or sad, but is there any other school in the country where the students and alums perception of the place is so far off from where the school really sits on the food chain. They literally just clocked in at 91 in the USNWR rankings, yet their people have the nerve to look down their noses at the rest of the Ohio publics (OSU included) and pretend that they're some elite private school.

Pretty much any private liberal arts college is the same way. Kenyon, Oberlin, Dennison, Earlham, Wabash. They think they're elite because they used to be elite 2 generations ago. They don't recognize that they're now way behind the schools they used to look down on like Butler, Dayton, OSU, etc.

Funny story - Purdue is called the Boilermakers because Wabash fans said they were mere blacksmiths that made boilers. Not educated upper class "gentlemen" like Wabash. The tables have turned a bit since then.

A false notion once arrived at is not easily dislodged.

That really says it all in terms of institutional reputation for colleges and universities. It's the most unfair way to evaluate schools, especially if your university is on the wrong side of that argument. Unfortunately, prospective students and their parents will fall back on such perceptions.

We see the same bias in the top 25 rankings in college football. I'm betting UCF could beat half the teams ranked above it but won't get the chance and can't rise in the polls because they are a relative newcomer and carry the G5 stigma.

(09-15-2019 05:00 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(09-15-2019 04:40 PM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  

(09-15-2019 10:03 AM)Nittany_Bearcat Wrote:  Beautiful.

I moved to Cincinnati from elsewhere - it didn't take me long to recognize the difference between OSU, UC and Miami alums. The snobs were always the Miami alums. Always.

It really is something to behold. I don't know if it's comical or sad, but is there any other school in the country where the students and alums perception of the place is so far off from where the school really sits on the food chain. They literally just clocked in at 91 in the USNWR rankings, yet their people have the nerve to look down their noses at the rest of the Ohio publics (OSU included) and pretend that they're some elite private school.

Pretty much any private liberal arts college is the same way. Kenyon, Oberlin, Dennison, Earlham, Wabash. They think they're elite because they used to be elite 2 generations ago. They don't recognize that they're now way behind the schools they used to look down on like Butler, Dayton, OSU, etc.

Funny story - Purdue is called the Boilermakers because Wabash fans said they were mere blacksmiths that made boilers. Not educated upper class "gentlemen" like Wabash. The tables have turned a bit since then.

Reminds me of that classic bar scene in the movie "Good Will Hunting" where Matt Damon's character says to the preppy grad student.

"See the sad thing about a guy like you is in about 50 years you’re gonna start doing some thinking on your own and you’re gonna come up with the fact that there are two certainties in life. One, don't do that. And two, you dropped a hundred and fifty grand on a ******’ education you coulda got for a dollar fifty in late charges at the Public Library."

I could buy all that if you are Harvard, but nobody is placing the kid with the degree from Oberlin, Dennison and especially Miami to the top of the pile in the HR department at any company.

I have to disagree about Kenyon and Oberlin. Those schools are incredibly well respected by employers and grad schools. Otherwise, they wouldn't be attracting the level of student body that they are (about equal to the lower Ivies, Northwestern etc).

Now Miami has absolutely nothing in common with them. It's a medium sized public university with moderately selective admissions (not the most selective public in its own state) and no real high quality profile in terms of faculty.

These morons are literally comparing themselves to Stanford and Northwestern and declaring that they have one of the finest business schools in the country.

Like I said above, absolutely delusional about their place on the food chain.

http://http://test.miamihawktalk.com/tal...ompetitive

Bwahahah!

Hell, I attended Miami. Good school but to me it felt like the 5-8th years of high school when I was there.

The thread where Chuck Martin compares playing Ohio Stare to a game at recess where the other team gets the first 85 picks on the playground is priceless.

(09-17-2019 09:28 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  The thread where Chuck Martin compares playing Ohio Stare to a game at recess where the other team gets the first 85 picks on the playground is priceless.

They were so sure UC and Miami were equal programs last week. Now everyone is going insane. It's been pretty tremendous over there.

The Martin quote is a great one.

There are some over there that believe Miami’s losing streak began with Martin. They seem to forget they already lost eight straight against UC beforehand, not to mention years prior to that that equates to 17 out of the last 21. The worm turned many years ago.

Hell, they lost 4 to Captain Tee Time. Lol