(09-06-2019 07:34 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(09-05-2019 09:36 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  Our play calling isn’t always the best either.

Some speculate that the playbook is limited b/c we are working around our QB’s limitations. It sure seems that way.

Do you think we’d be able to throw the ball down field with great success if Anthony Miller was still here?

I know this much.....our TEs (which seemed awesome 2 years ago) seem almost non-existent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eks5T1Hwog

first play of the game. riley throws a screen. its a numbers game. always has been. the offense hasnt really changed folks. we are a running team & qb has the RPO when the defense stacks the box

(09-06-2019 10:28 AM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 07:34 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(09-05-2019 09:36 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  Our play calling isn’t always the best either.

Some speculate that the playbook is limited b/c we are working around our QB’s limitations. It sure seems that way.

Do you think we’d be able to throw the ball down field with great success if Anthony Miller was still here?

I know this much.....our TEs (which seemed awesome 2 years ago) seem almost non-existent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eks5T1Hwog

first play of the game. riley throws a screen. its a numbers game. always has been. the offense hasnt really changed folks. we are a running team & qb has the RPO when the defense stacks the box

Incredible 89 yard bomb from Riley to Miller. I wish Brady had that kind of arm.

(09-06-2019 10:38 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 10:28 AM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 07:34 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(09-05-2019 09:36 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  Our play calling isn’t always the best either.

Some speculate that the playbook is limited b/c we are working around our QB’s limitations. It sure seems that way.

Do you think we’d be able to throw the ball down field with great success if Anthony Miller was still here?

I know this much.....our TEs (which seemed awesome 2 years ago) seem almost non-existent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eks5T1Hwog

first play of the game. riley throws a screen. its a numbers game. always has been. the offense hasnt really changed folks. we are a running team & qb has the RPO when the defense stacks the box

Incredible 89 yard bomb from Riley to Miller. I wish Brady had that kind of arm.

ha. amazing what having an AA WR can do for your team.

(09-06-2019 10:22 AM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  

(09-05-2019 01:50 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(09-05-2019 12:37 PM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  

(09-05-2019 07:44 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(09-04-2019 10:41 AM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  the receivers do struggle to get separation. you can track his throws but when the offensive game plan is to get to the line, count the hats in the box, then play the numbers on the outside, its just the game plan. nothing White can do about that. flawed stat really.

also, i wouldnt forget this is probably the best d line will face all year. they had pressure all game. Shot ourselves in the foot with the penalties as well.

Maybe, but I saw at least a few throws where the receiver was wide open and Brady either under or over threw. The Dykes throw was criminal.

The other 2 he got too much air under them and left them short. One allowed the defensive back to bat it down and the other the receiver was unable to catch in stride.

The Dykes throw yes..however he over threw him. People whine about his lack of arm strength and he overthrew someone. The pop throw was a LAUNCH. He was running to the right hash and had to throw it across his body, at least 25 yards, not to mention diagonal diatance

He does short hop more than he over throws; however, I’m not going to celebrate b/c he threw a ball 40 yards. Who cares how far he threw it if it’s not a completion?

IMO it’s more crucial that he complete a pass like that since we rarely throw downfield.

that throw was a completion.

Not sure which throw you’re talking about. I’m referring to the surefire TD he airmailed over Dykes.

(09-06-2019 10:51 AM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 10:38 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 10:28 AM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 07:34 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(09-05-2019 09:36 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  Our play calling isn’t always the best either.

Some speculate that the playbook is limited b/c we are working around our QB’s limitations. It sure seems that way.

Do you think we’d be able to throw the ball down field with great success if Anthony Miller was still here?

I know this much.....our TEs (which seemed awesome 2 years ago) seem almost non-existent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eks5T1Hwog

first play of the game. riley throws a screen. its a numbers game. always has been. the offense hasnt really changed folks. we are a running team & qb has the RPO when the defense stacks the box

Incredible 89 yard bomb from Riley to Miller. I wish Brady had that kind of arm.

ha. amazing what having an AA WR can do for your team.

Hehe. Now let’s try to actually answer the question.

Do you think we have a good deep ball threat? If we have (or had) one, do you think Brady could get said player the ball?

(09-06-2019 10:28 AM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 07:34 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(09-05-2019 09:36 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  Our play calling isn’t always the best either.

Some speculate that the playbook is limited b/c we are working around our QB’s limitations. It sure seems that way.

Do you think we’d be able to throw the ball down field with great success if Anthony Miller was still here?

I know this much.....our TEs (which seemed awesome 2 years ago) seem almost non-existent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eks5T1Hwog

first play of the game. riley throws a screen. its a numbers game. always has been. the offense hasnt really changed folks. we are a running team & qb has the RPO when the defense stacks the box

And I can also go find plenty of highlights of Riley throwing down the field... throws White only makes in his dreams.

(09-06-2019 10:51 AM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 10:38 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 10:28 AM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 07:34 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(09-05-2019 09:36 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  Our play calling isn’t always the best either.

Some speculate that the playbook is limited b/c we are working around our QB’s limitations. It sure seems that way.

Do you think we’d be able to throw the ball down field with great success if Anthony Miller was still here?

I know this much.....our TEs (which seemed awesome 2 years ago) seem almost non-existent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eks5T1Hwog

first play of the game. riley throws a screen. its a numbers game. always has been. the offense hasnt really changed folks. we are a running team & qb has the RPO when the defense stacks the box

Incredible 89 yard bomb from Riley to Miller. I wish Brady had that kind of arm.

ha. amazing what having an AA WR can do for your team.

Amazing what the threat of actually being able to stretch the field can do. It stops the DBs from being able to cheat up and sell out on screen passes.

(09-06-2019 12:05 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 10:22 AM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  

(09-05-2019 01:50 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(09-05-2019 12:37 PM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  

(09-05-2019 07:44 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  Maybe, but I saw at least a few throws where the receiver was wide open and Brady either under or over threw. The Dykes throw was criminal.

The other 2 he got too much air under them and left them short. One allowed the defensive back to bat it down and the other the receiver was unable to catch in stride.

The Dykes throw yes..however he over threw him. People whine about his lack of arm strength and he overthrew someone. The pop throw was a LAUNCH. He was running to the right hash and had to throw it across his body, at least 25 yards, not to mention diagonal diatance

He does short hop more than he over throws; however, I’m not going to celebrate b/c he threw a ball 40 yards. Who cares how far he threw it if it’s not a completion?

IMO it’s more crucial that he complete a pass like that since we rarely throw downfield.

that throw was a completion.

Not sure which throw you’re talking about. I’m referring to the surefire TD he airmailed over Dykes.

i'm referring to the throw to Pop. I think Dykes pulled up on that route.

(09-06-2019 12:55 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 10:51 AM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 10:38 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 10:28 AM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 07:34 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  Some speculate that the playbook is limited b/c we are working around our QB’s limitations. It sure seems that way.

Do you think we’d be able to throw the ball down field with great success if Anthony Miller was still here?

I know this much.....our TEs (which seemed awesome 2 years ago) seem almost non-existent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eks5T1Hwog

first play of the game. riley throws a screen. its a numbers game. always has been. the offense hasnt really changed folks. we are a running team & qb has the RPO when the defense stacks the box

Incredible 89 yard bomb from Riley to Miller. I wish Brady had that kind of arm.

ha. amazing what having an AA WR can do for your team.

Amazing what the threat of actually being able to stretch the field can do. It stops the DBs from being able to cheat up and sell out on screen passes.

i dont think you understand how those plays work lol. They are literally planned when memphis has a 2 on 1 advantage on the outside... has nothing to do with the deep route.

(09-06-2019 12:39 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 10:51 AM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 10:38 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 10:28 AM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 07:34 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  Some speculate that the playbook is limited b/c we are working around our QB’s limitations. It sure seems that way.

Do you think we’d be able to throw the ball down field with great success if Anthony Miller was still here?

I know this much.....our TEs (which seemed awesome 2 years ago) seem almost non-existent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eks5T1Hwog

first play of the game. riley throws a screen. its a numbers game. always has been. the offense hasnt really changed folks. we are a running team & qb has the RPO when the defense stacks the box

Incredible 89 yard bomb from Riley to Miller. I wish Brady had that kind of arm.

ha. amazing what having an AA WR can do for your team.

Hehe. Now let’s try to actually answer the question.

Do you think we have a good deep ball threat? If we have (or had) one, do you think Brady could get said player the ball?

we saw him throw it 40 yards downfield to Coxie last yr in the bowl game.

(09-06-2019 01:52 PM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 12:39 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 10:51 AM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 10:38 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 10:28 AM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eks5T1Hwog

first play of the game. riley throws a screen. its a numbers game. always has been. the offense hasnt really changed folks. we are a running team & qb has the RPO when the defense stacks the box

Incredible 89 yard bomb from Riley to Miller. I wish Brady had that kind of arm.

ha. amazing what having an AA WR can do for your team.

Hehe. Now let’s try to actually answer the question.

Do you think we have a good deep ball threat? If we have (or had) one, do you think Brady could get said player the ball?

we saw him throw it 40 yards downfield to Coxie last yr in the bowl game.

It’s not a distance thing, White throws a lob, Ferguson but it in a line

It's still a bs premise.

The idea we HAVE to compare Brady vs. Riley and Lynch is the problem.

Those guys were top 10 CFB qb's in their last year.

At some point it just has to be accepted that Brady isn't them--and for that matter NO Tigers qb's prior to Pax and Riley were within arms length of those two.

Maybe we can just hope Norvell goes out and recruits a QB who becomes one of the best qb's in college football--because that is absolutely normal to expect that.

In the meantime, the "guy" many here wanted instead of noodle-armed Brady averaged 100 yards a game in JUCO and is currently warming the bench at a mid level MAC school.

And then there is the other guy Norvell ran off who just had a 14 for 32 with 197 yards game for Illinois State vs. NIU.

But, ok.

(09-06-2019 01:14 PM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 12:55 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 10:51 AM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 10:38 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 10:28 AM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eks5T1Hwog

first play of the game. riley throws a screen. its a numbers game. always has been. the offense hasnt really changed folks. we are a running team & qb has the RPO when the defense stacks the box

Incredible 89 yard bomb from Riley to Miller. I wish Brady had that kind of arm.

ha. amazing what having an AA WR can do for your team.

Amazing what the threat of actually being able to stretch the field can do. It stops the DBs from being able to cheat up and sell out on screen passes.

i dont think you understand how those plays work lol. They are literally planned when memphis has a 2 on 1 advantage on the outside... has nothing to do with the deep route.

I don't think you understand the premise of my statement... Screens are much more effective when there is a deep threat. Just like play action is much more effective when a football team can actually run. Without a deep threat teams are able to press in and sell out on short throws and screens.

(09-06-2019 03:36 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  It's still a bs premise.

The idea we HAVE to compare Brady vs. Riley and Lynch is the problem.

Those guys were top 10 CFB qb's in their last year.

At some point it just has to be accepted that Brady isn't them--and for that matter NO Tigers qb's prior to Pax and Riley were within arms length of those two.

Maybe we can just hope Norvell goes out and recruits a QB who becomes one of the best qb's in college football--because that is absolutely normal to expect that.

In the meantime, the "guy" many here wanted instead of noodle-armed Brady averaged 100 yards a game in JUCO and is currently warming the bench at a mid level MAC school.

And then there is the other guy Norvell ran off who just had a 14 for 32 with 197 yards game for Illinois State vs. NIU.

But, ok.

Fair points. I agree we currently don’t have a better option. However, I’m trying to temper my expectations b/c I’m not confident Brady can lead us to the lofty expectations predicted prior to the season. Maybe those expectations were unrealistic to begin with, but we are favored in all of our games.

The defense looked good in the first game. Hopefully we’ve turned the corner there. However, it would be incredibly frustrating for our defense to be good now and our offense to be the weak link (given how good we’ve been offensively over the past several years). We’ll see how it plays out.

I think we have some weapons on offense. I hope we can make it all work together and utilize the talent we have.

(09-06-2019 04:41 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 03:36 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  It's still a bs premise.

The idea we HAVE to compare Brady vs. Riley and Lynch is the problem.

Those guys were top 10 CFB qb's in their last year.

At some point it just has to be accepted that Brady isn't them--and for that matter NO Tigers qb's prior to Pax and Riley were within arms length of those two.

Maybe we can just hope Norvell goes out and recruits a QB who becomes one of the best qb's in college football--because that is absolutely normal to expect that.

In the meantime, the "guy" many here wanted instead of noodle-armed Brady averaged 100 yards a game in JUCO and is currently warming the bench at a mid level MAC school.

And then there is the other guy Norvell ran off who just had a 14 for 32 with 197 yards game for Illinois State vs. NIU.

But, ok.

Fair points. I agree we currently don’t have a better option. However, I’m trying to temper my expectations b/c I’m not confident Brady can lead us to the lofty expectations predicted prior to the season. Maybe those expectations were unrealistic to begin with, but we are favored in all of our games.

The defense looked good in the first game. Hopefully we’ve turned the corner there. However, it would be incredibly frustrating for our defense to be good now and our offense to be the weak link (given how good we’ve been offensively over the past several years). We’ll see how it plays out.

I think we have some weapons on offense. I hope we can make it all work together and utilize the talent we have.

There was ONE game last year that we weren't within 3 points going into the last play of the 3rd quarter. Tulane wasn't on Brady. Navy and the first UCF were 1 point losses, neither were really Brady's fault either. UCF we lead by 7 going into the 4th.

Defense is the reason we will win every game this year. While I honestly don't know if our offense will be better in the second half, I know our defense sure will be.

The rest of this is opinions. Some are closer to correct, some are completely wrong and some are in the middle of those two.

(09-06-2019 12:39 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 10:51 AM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 10:38 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 10:28 AM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 07:34 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  Some speculate that the playbook is limited b/c we are working around our QB’s limitations. It sure seems that way.

Do you think we’d be able to throw the ball down field with great success if Anthony Miller was still here?

I know this much.....our TEs (which seemed awesome 2 years ago) seem almost non-existent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eks5T1Hwog

first play of the game. riley throws a screen. its a numbers game. always has been. the offense hasnt really changed folks. we are a running team & qb has the RPO when the defense stacks the box

Incredible 89 yard bomb from Riley to Miller. I wish Brady had that kind of arm.

ha. amazing what having an AA WR can do for your team.

Hehe. Now let’s try to actually answer the question.

Do you think we have a good deep ball threat? If we have (or had) one, do you think Brady could get said player the ball?

No & no.

Is the OP planning on grading all of the players on each side of the ball every play? I submit, if every player performed his assignment 'on time' every play, we would win the NC.

(09-06-2019 05:25 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  Is the OP planning on grading all of the players on each side of the ball every play? Otherwise, why just the QB? I submit, if every player performed his assignment 'on time' every play, we would win the NC.

NC, nope. AAC, I would say so.

(09-06-2019 04:26 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 01:14 PM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 12:55 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 10:51 AM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 10:38 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Incredible 89 yard bomb from Riley to Miller. I wish Brady had that kind of arm.

ha. amazing what having an AA WR can do for your team.

Amazing what the threat of actually being able to stretch the field can do. It stops the DBs from being able to cheat up and sell out on screen passes.

i dont think you understand how those plays work lol. They are literally planned when memphis has a 2 on 1 advantage on the outside... has nothing to do with the deep route.

I don't think you understand the premise of my statement... Screens are much more effective when there is a deep threat. Just like play action is much more effective when a football team can actually run. Without a deep threat teams are able to press in and sell out on short throws and screens.

nope..the premise is get the ball where there are less defenders. if the advantage on the inside, he hands off the ball. if it's outside, he gets it outside. they dont ONLY run the RPO. The RPO doesnt work ideally if defense is at the line pressing. it takes away the prime reason you run the play.

(09-06-2019 04:49 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 04:41 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 03:36 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  It's still a bs premise.

The idea we HAVE to compare Brady vs. Riley and Lynch is the problem.

Those guys were top 10 CFB qb's in their last year.

At some point it just has to be accepted that Brady isn't them--and for that matter NO Tigers qb's prior to Pax and Riley were within arms length of those two.

Maybe we can just hope Norvell goes out and recruits a QB who becomes one of the best qb's in college football--because that is absolutely normal to expect that.

In the meantime, the "guy" many here wanted instead of noodle-armed Brady averaged 100 yards a game in JUCO and is currently warming the bench at a mid level MAC school.

And then there is the other guy Norvell ran off who just had a 14 for 32 with 197 yards game for Illinois State vs. NIU.

But, ok.

Fair points. I agree we currently don’t have a better option. However, I’m trying to temper my expectations b/c I’m not confident Brady can lead us to the lofty expectations predicted prior to the season. Maybe those expectations were unrealistic to begin with, but we are favored in all of our games.

The defense looked good in the first game. Hopefully we’ve turned the corner there. However, it would be incredibly frustrating for our defense to be good now and our offense to be the weak link (given how good we’ve been offensively over the past several years). We’ll see how it plays out.

I think we have some weapons on offense. I hope we can make it all work together and utilize the talent we have.

There was ONE game last year that we weren't within 3 points going into the last play of the 3rd quarter. Tulane wasn't on Brady. Navy and the first UCF were 1 point losses, neither were really Brady's fault either. UCF we lead by 7 going into the 4th.

Defense is the reason we will win every game this year. While I honestly don't know if our offense will be better in the second half, I know our defense sure will be.

The rest of this is opinions. Some are closer to correct, some are completely wrong and some are in the middle of those two.

had the lead in both Navy and UCF and we didnt keep it. partially poor defense, partially on norvell running a very conservative offense when he has the lead. not sure any loss was his fault, but since we arent throwing 80 yards bombs, doesnt matter, stupid brady ...