(08-29-2019 01:51 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  The issue of her affair with the guy is *her* business, and the campaign guys. And of course her husband's and his wife's.

Which husband - the one she married to get into the country, or the one she filed tax returns with and who is the father of her children? Maybe both?

(08-29-2019 03:34 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-29-2019 01:51 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  The issue of her affair with the guy is *her* business, and the campaign guys. And of course her husband's and his wife's.

Which husband - the one she married to get into the country, or the one she filed tax returns with and who is the father of her children? Maybe both?

The now current, (probably soon to be ex-husband).

I think that would make him the third marriage. And the first. The father of her children. Not #2 who is the one that putatively is the issue of the potential immigration fraud aspect.

(08-29-2019 04:10 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I think that would make him the third marriage. And the first. Th

So that would make the tally three marriages, zero divorces. Reminds me of my Anglo grandfather, who married 4 times, never divorced. He sure did like the Latina beauties.

(08-29-2019 05:42 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-29-2019 04:10 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I think that would make him the third marriage. And the first. Th

So that would make the tally three marriages, zero divorces. Reminds me of my Anglo grandfather, who married 4 times, never divorced. He sure did like the Latina beauties.

I think this is the marriage line:

Congresswoman Omar married Hirsi (Islamic faith based, no documentation) in 2002 and had two children with him.

She reportedly split from Hirsi first in 2008 (Islamic faith based, no documentation).

She then marries Ahmed Elmi in 2009 (marriage certificate and all). Funny thing is no one has ever identified Ahmed; Ilhan refuses to talk of him --- but there are some very odd issues with him and the marriage. Kind of like Ihan's residence of record was still with Hirsi, and a whole raft of other things.

Elmi and Omar separated just two years later, in 2011, but did not get a legal divorce. Elmi moved back to London.

Omar and Hirsi got back together in 2012 and had their third child while Omar was separated from but still legally married to Elmi.


And ----
Omar filed joint tax returns with Hirsi in 2014 and 2015 while she was still legally married to Elmi, and she was fined by Minnesota's campaign-finance watchdog for paying a lawyer with campaign funds to fix the mistake, since federal law prohibits people from filing joint returns with a person who is not their spouse.

Omar and Elmi listed an address in the Minneapolis suburb of Columbia Heights on their 2009 marriage-license application — and it was the same location Hirsi listed as his home address when applying for a business license with the state government that same year.

Hirsi "listed his address at a single Cedar Riverside address consistently in 2006, 2008, 2009, 2010, and 2011," the same address Omar listed in separate traffic-violation cases, including during the time he was split from Omar.

Omar officially divorced Elmi in 2017 and legally married Hirsi in 2018.

In 2018, Congresswoman Omar reunites with Hirsi in a civil ceremony. Now, in 2019, it is reported that she has separated from Hirsi once again.

A lot of things point to the Omar marriage to #2 being a sham.

Some would say there is some 'smoke' about.

Now *only* if Ilhan would identify and make husband #2 available to vet, I am sure this could be cleared up. But the tact seems to be no comment and stall.

Heh.... one is the Babylon Bee, the other isnt.

Laughing that Pence and his entire staff are staying at a Trump property 100+ miles from meetings in Ireland because Trump suggested he do so.

Another example of how unhinged he has become. I'm not sure why at a Dorian update (which was today in a Facebook Live event at the Oval Office) that you'd even feel the need to bring forth a projection that was a week old. But of course the part that everyone is now wondering about is 'who was messing with the sharpie'?

It sure looks like Alabama was circled in there just so he could say he was right about Alabama all along. Some people are mentioning how messing with official weather forecasts is a crime but that's a big stretch. I think the bigger takeaway is even when he is wrong, he can't stand to admit it. And then he'll go to unbelievable measures to try to convince people he was right all along.

You can't trust him to tell the truth at all.

(09-04-2019 08:14 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

Another example of how unhinged he has become. I'm not sure why at a Dorian update (which was today in a Facebook Live event at the Oval Office) that you'd even feel the need to bring forth a projection that was a week old. But of course the part that everyone is now wondering about is 'who was messing with the sharpie'?

It sure looks like Alabama was circled in there just so he could say he was right about Alabama all along. Some people are mentioning how messing with official weather forecasts is a crime but that's a big stretch. I think the bigger takeaway is even when he is wrong, he can't stand to admit it. And then he'll go to unbelievable measures to try to convince people he was right all along.

You can't trust him to tell the truth at all.

I don't trust any of them.

(09-04-2019 11:23 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(09-04-2019 08:14 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

Another example of how unhinged he has become. I'm not sure why at a Dorian update (which was today in a Facebook Live event at the Oval Office) that you'd even feel the need to bring forth a projection that was a week old. But of course the part that everyone is now wondering about is 'who was messing with the sharpie'?

It sure looks like Alabama was circled in there just so he could say he was right about Alabama all along. Some people are mentioning how messing with official weather forecasts is a crime but that's a big stretch. I think the bigger takeaway is even when he is wrong, he can't stand to admit it. And then he'll go to unbelievable measures to try to convince people he was right all along.

You can't trust him to tell the truth at all.

I don't trust any of them.

FEMA?

(09-05-2019 06:36 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  FEMA?

FEMA may be the most misunderstood federal agency of them all.

FEMA doesn't actually respond to emergencies. That is not its mission and it does not have the personnel or resources to do so. The concept is that state and local governments are the responders, and in so doing they incur excessive expenditures, which FEMA reimburses. FEMA is a bunch of bean counters with a pot of money to repay the responders for their costs to respond, no more, no less.

The reason we get uneven quality of disaster responses is because different states vary widely in their level of preparedness. Louisiana wasn't prepared for Katrina and did not handle it well, although there probably is no way to prepare adequately for a direct hit on below-sea-level New Orleans. Puerto Rico obviously wasn't prepared for Maria. What we need is some sort of standing disaster response agency. It probably needs to remain at the state and local level, but there needs to be some way to achieve more consistency across states. One thing that would help is to have an organization that can train for disaster response, instead of putting things together ad hoc when disaster strikes. I think the best approach would be to make the National Guard primary mission become disaster response and civil defense, instead of being sort of a second-string army reserve. They do it now, but as mainly a collateral duty instead of a primary one. Make it their primary mission, and train and equip them for it.

(09-05-2019 06:36 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(09-04-2019 11:23 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(09-04-2019 08:14 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

Another example of how unhinged he has become. I'm not sure why at a Dorian update (which was today in a Facebook Live event at the Oval Office) that you'd even feel the need to bring forth a projection that was a week old. But of course the part that everyone is now wondering about is 'who was messing with the sharpie'?

It sure looks like Alabama was circled in there just so he could say he was right about Alabama all along. Some people are mentioning how messing with official weather forecasts is a crime but that's a big stretch. I think the bigger takeaway is even when he is wrong, he can't stand to admit it. And then he'll go to unbelievable measures to try to convince people he was right all along.

You can't trust him to tell the truth at all.

I don't trust any of them.

FEMA?

Oh, now you think Brownie did a good job?

But I was referring to the politicians, like the one in the quote I was answering.

6 out of 7

Recently lad found a case of a venue turning down an interracial couple. It seems as if this rare occurrence is proof we still have a racially prejudiced society.

Well, if one instance is all that is needed, here is one that involves MS-13 members in the country illegally.

We need to thank Lad for proving trump's assertions about illegals correct.

(09-05-2019 10:19 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Oh, now you think Brownie did a good job?

Actually, in terms of what was actually his job, Brownie probably did do a good job. The problem was that Blanco and Nagin did piss-poor jobs, actually particularly Blanco, because there wasn't really a lot that Nagin could do once Blanco screwed the pooch.

The things that went wrong weren't really FEMA's responsibility. The one FEMA responsibility that didn't work out very well is that they negotiate contracts with providers for equipment, supplies, and services in the event to an emergency. The problem was that all the suppliers got knocked out too, and thus were not able to fulfill their contracts, so that all had to be done on the fly.

(09-09-2019 04:31 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-05-2019 10:19 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Oh, now you think Brownie did a good job?

Actually, in terms of what was actually his job, Brownie probably did do a good job. The problem was that Blanco and Nagin did piss-poor jobs, actually particularly Blanco, because there wasn't really a lot that Nagin could do once Blanco screwed the pooch.

The things that went wrong weren't really FEMA's responsibility. The one FEMA responsibility that didn't work out very well is that they negotiate contracts with providers for equipment, supplies, and services in the event to an emergency. The problem was that all the suppliers got knocked out too, and thus were not able to fulfill their contracts, so that all had to be done on the fly.

I didn’t have a problem with FEMA, but Lad sings in a different chorus.

(09-09-2019 04:38 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 04:31 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-05-2019 10:19 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Oh, now you think Brownie did a good job?

Actually, in terms of what was actually his job, Brownie probably did do a good job. The problem was that Blanco and Nagin did piss-poor jobs, actually particularly Blanco, because there wasn't really a lot that Nagin could do once Blanco screwed the pooch.

The things that went wrong weren't really FEMA's responsibility. The one FEMA responsibility that didn't work out very well is that they negotiate contracts with providers for equipment, supplies, and services in the event to an emergency. The problem was that all the suppliers got knocked out too, and thus were not able to fulfill their contracts, so that all had to be done on the fly.

I didn’t have a problem with FEMA, but Lad sings in a different chorus.

???

(09-09-2019 04:59 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 04:38 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 04:31 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-05-2019 10:19 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Oh, now you think Brownie did a good job?

Actually, in terms of what was actually his job, Brownie probably did do a good job. The problem was that Blanco and Nagin did piss-poor jobs, actually particularly Blanco, because there wasn't really a lot that Nagin could do once Blanco screwed the pooch.

The things that went wrong weren't really FEMA's responsibility. The one FEMA responsibility that didn't work out very well is that they negotiate contracts with providers for equipment, supplies, and services in the event to an emergency. The problem was that all the suppliers got knocked out too, and thus were not able to fulfill their contracts, so that all had to be done on the fly.

I didn’t have a problem with FEMA, but Lad sings in a different chorus.

???

The chorus I am referring to the Democratic chorus of disapproval over how Katrina was handled. FEMA was widely blamed.

(09-09-2019 05:29 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 04:59 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 04:38 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 04:31 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-05-2019 10:19 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Oh, now you think Brownie did a good job?

Actually, in terms of what was actually his job, Brownie probably did do a good job. The problem was that Blanco and Nagin did piss-poor jobs, actually particularly Blanco, because there wasn't really a lot that Nagin could do once Blanco screwed the pooch.
The things that went wrong weren't really FEMA's responsibility. The one FEMA responsibility that didn't work out very well is that they negotiate contracts with providers for equipment, supplies, and services in the event to an emergency. The problem was that all the suppliers got knocked out too, and thus were not able to fulfill their contracts, so that all had to be done on the fly.

I didn’t have a problem with FEMA, but Lad sings in a different chorus.

???

The chorus I am referring to the Democratic chorus of disapproval over how Katrina was handled. FEMA was widely blamed.

I think the problem with Katrina and Maria is how poorly Louisiana/New Orleans and Puerto Rico/San Juan were prepared to deal with hurricanes of such magnitude. At least Louisiana seemed to learn something from the experience and the somewhat less threatening Gustav was handled far better. I'm not sure about Puerto Rico.

What we need is some agency that is tasked specifically with disaster response and civil defense, That is sort of supposed to be a National Guard mission, but their training is focused more on being a reserve army reserve. I think their mission should be redefined to make civil defense and disaster response their primary mission, and train and equip them accordingly.

A story from personal experience. Toward the end of my naval reserve experience, I was in a unit responsible for mobilizing to coordinate civilian shipping of military hardware in wartime. Our standard template was shipping tanks and equipment to western Europe in the event of a Soviet invasion. The Navy had given us a canned training program built around that scenario. but we and a sister unit opted to spend more of our time actually getting out into the port areas, participating in a Gulf Coast Readiness Council (including Coast Guard, Navy, Army, National Guard, FEMA, law enforcement, and other agencies) that dealt with planning for all sorts of emergencies, and in the process getting to know the people and places with whom we would work if the balloon went up. It did, sorta, with Desert Shield/Desert Storm, and about half the personnel in two units were called to active duty. I remember the comment of a friend who was recalled, "I was a bit apprehensive until I went to our first meeting and realized I already knew everybody in the room." As one example, in our pre-training we had identified needs for communication and office space, and had already made arrangements to obtain such things. Our counterparts in some other ports were working out of their cars for the first couple of weeks. As a result, Houston far outperformed expectations both in shipping materials over to the Middle East, and in handling retrograde that was brought back afterwards.

We need to be doing active preparation and training for hurricanes and other emergencies. It is one thing to have a plan, it is another to have practiced it to the point that you can execute it, and have identified any facility and equipment shortcomings that can be rectified. And, I might add, it is another and worse thing to go off the plan and do something stupid like shelter in place for a major hurricane hitting squarely at a place that is below sea level.

Shelter in place --- the Gulf coast equivalent of 'duck and cover'

I am not sure where we had the MW discussion, but I wanted to let people know this anecdote.

I used to have a 50% interest in a food processing company. I sold my interest to the other main stockholder long ago. I was talking to his widow, who runs the company now.

She complained about the difficulty of getting and keeping good help. I jokingly said the $15 MW would take care of that. She said they were already offering more than that, and she cannot get most of her hires to even show up for work the first day, much less come back the second day.

What’s the problem, I asked.

“Nobody wants to work hard. They’ve never had to work hard before. They want to sit around in air conditioning and get paid for it.”

The work involves working in the heat, and occasionally lifting boxes of up to 60 pounds.

We hear a bunch about a “living wage”. Maybe those wanting a living wage should be prepared to work for it.

(09-14-2019 04:28 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I am not sure where we had the MW discussion, but I wanted to let people know this anecdote.

I used to have a 50% interest in a food processing company. I sold my interest to the other main stockholder long ago. I was talking to his widow, who runs the company now.

She complained about the difficulty of getting and keeping good help. I jokingly said the $15 MW would take care of that. She said they were already offering more than that, and she cannot get most of her hires to even show up for work the first day, much less come back the second day.

What’s the problem, I asked.

“Nobody wants to work hard. They’ve never had to work hard before. They want to sit around in air conditioning and get paid for it.”

The work involves working in the heat, and occasionally lifting boxes of up to 60 pounds.

We hear a bunch about a “living wage”. Maybe those wanting a living wage should be prepared to work for it.

What wage has she been offering? Most of the guys I work with that do work hard and are willing to break their backs get paid closer to $40 an hour because that is what it will take to get someone to bust their ass.

But there definitely is a shortage of people willing to do hard manual labor for low pay.