(08-13-2019 12:41 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 12:34 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  The biggest issue is that they’ll lose 5 of those OOC games.

If ECU loses 5 of those games I'll go ahead and start advocating not just for Dooley to be fired but to just drop basketball.

Holding you to that

(08-14-2019 07:17 AM)8BitPirate Wrote:  I blame the AAC for bring us down. No one cares about basketball in the south. We have no rivalries in this conference. Fans don't care about these teams. We need our own local media deal. Its not our fault!

Am I doing it right UCONN fans?

We were still able to put together decent OOC football schedules despite all those hurdles you listed, but other than that, excellent job.

(08-13-2019 01:21 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 12:41 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 12:34 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  The biggest issue is that they’ll lose 5 of those OOC games.

If ECU loses 5 of those games I'll go ahead and start advocating not just for Dooley to be fired but to just drop basketball.

you played 4 of those teams last year(James Madison, App St, Charlotte, UMES). ECU lost to two of them, beat one handily and beat another by just a basket.

Its possible you lose 5 of those games.

With a completely different roster, only two returning players.

(08-14-2019 06:17 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(08-14-2019 02:32 AM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  

(08-14-2019 01:44 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 07:55 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 05:03 PM)STLWAVE Wrote:  Wowww. The ECU schedule makes Tulane's schedule look ******* exceptional!


Tulane vs ECU OOC by NET

Tulane Average Opponent NET With Tourneys
Best Case: 82
Worst Case: 225

ECU Average Opponent NET With Tourneys
Best Case: 178
Worst Case: 288



Tulane:
SE Louisiana 249
Jackson State 328
Northwestern State 334
Myrtle Beach (Miss. St.) 21
Myrtle Beach (Nova or MTSU) 28 or 248
Myrtle Beach (Utah, CCU, Ohio, Baylor) 97, 153, 177, 34
Southern 340
at Southern Miss 102
Jerry Coangelo Classic (Saint Louis) 107
Alcorn State 347
Clash at the Capitol (Akron) 119
Clash at the Capitol (Liberty or Towson) 53 or 261

ECU:
VMI 306
Navy 281
App State 215
Liberty 53
Evansville 210
George Washington or UMKC 285 or 232
Liberty, Milwaukee, Morgan State or Rice 53, 299, 332, 217
JMU 254
Coppin State 342
Campbell 213
UMES 352
Charlotte 266
Eastern Kentucky 256

East Carolina basketball is such a drag on this conference.

Look I really don’t mean this as an insult. But I still do not understand how a university in basketball rich North Carolina with minimal entrance issues and at a min average facilities (in many ways I would say above average over all D1)can stink this bad. I legit don’t get it.

Let me explain. ECU has always been a football school first. Less than 20 years ago we were members of the Colonial, where we were average at best as a basketball program. Also, when you sit in the backyard of four ACC schools, it’s extremely difficult to recruit, especially if your program has never been close to their level competitively. Things are changing though for the Pirates, and much of that has to do with Coach Dooley and the staff he assembled. Being a member of the AAC is also helping with the recruiting part.
If Dooley successfully brings this program up in line with the other members of the conference, I really believe that the program will stay consistently at that level or better going forward and will not regress.

I get the Fball side but why has UNC wilmington, UNC Charlotte and Davidson been able to function fine with multiple NCAA tournaments over the last 15 years? I am legit just curious. What separates ECU. Minges seems like a competitive complex and you add in a pretty dam good practice facility. Great location, sorry but not very hard entrance issues, how does this happen? I mean fball is more popular and all but has hardly been world beaters, plus why should that kill bball? you have been in decent leagues for 15 years but produced nothing in one if the best recruiting states with other non P5 schools doing just fine. Idk. Not trying pile on it is just confusing. For comparison, Tulane is in one if the best high school football areas in the nation. We have stunk for obvious reasons, our administration has tried to act like we are an ivy league and have made it impossible to recruit the talent in the area. They also have had crap facilities. I don’t see those same barriers with ECU Bball. But hopefully this is a turning point.
As for being a FBall achool, unless I missed something u have been ranked liked twice in your history to end a season. Withe the last time coming 30 years ago. I was actually surprised to see that, not sure giw tou have been able to keep your fanbase. I fuess it is the yearly P5 wins.
The whole ECU bball thing has always perplexed me.

They are basketball schools, only UNC Charlotte recently added football.

My criticism of ECU's schedule (i.e., they could do better) does not detract from my opinion that ECU is on the upswing.

(08-13-2019 10:25 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 09:18 PM)oasispirate Wrote:  I can't wait to play some of you guys this year. We're going to surprise some people. Less than 3 months to go!

No you won’t.

Most of the league will be busy getting battle tested, meanwhile when ECU lines up to play Memphis or Houston, they aren’t going to know what him them. It will be like moving from playing high school teams to blue bloods.

You did your players, fans & the league no justice with this schedule.

The reality is.... your a buy game until proven other wise. Just get bought, beaten and at least have a good SOS


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This schedule is an absolute joke and will hurt us on many levels HOWEVER we beat Cincy in the 2nd conference game last year on Jan 5, coming off an equally bad OOC and were competitive with Memphis and UCF in conf games 3 & 4 on the road just after with an obviously terrible team that had no test OOC. That was the best we played all year infact.

Yes I would like to have seen some more test and just a better overall schedule more for reasons like better NET, NET, NET, RPI, NET and NET as well as attendance, TV, and recruiting etc etc. After the first couple games I don't think the OOC will have much impact on how we do in conference. You'll either get up to speed and run with the bigger dogs or you don't.

(08-14-2019 08:39 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(08-14-2019 06:17 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(08-14-2019 02:32 AM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  

(08-14-2019 01:44 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 07:55 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  East Carolina basketball is such a drag on this conference.

Look I really don’t mean this as an insult. But I still do not understand how a university in basketball rich North Carolina with minimal entrance issues and at a min average facilities (in many ways I would say above average over all D1)can stink this bad. I legit don’t get it.

Let me explain. ECU has always been a football school first. Less than 20 years ago we were members of the Colonial, where we were average at best as a basketball program. Also, when you sit in the backyard of four ACC schools, it’s extremely difficult to recruit, especially if your program has never been close to their level competitively. Things are changing though for the Pirates, and much of that has to do with Coach Dooley and the staff he assembled. Being a member of the AAC is also helping with the recruiting part.
If Dooley successfully brings this program up in line with the other members of the conference, I really believe that the program will stay consistently at that level or better going forward and will not regress.

I get the Fball side but why has UNC wilmington, UNC Charlotte and Davidson been able to function fine with multiple NCAA tournaments over the last 15 years? I am legit just curious. What separates ECU. Minges seems like a competitive complex and you add in a pretty dam good practice facility. Great location, sorry but not very hard entrance issues, how does this happen? I mean fball is more popular and all but has hardly been world beaters, plus why should that kill bball? you have been in decent leagues for 15 years but produced nothing in one if the best recruiting states with other non P5 schools doing just fine. Idk. Not trying pile on it is just confusing. For comparison, Tulane is in one if the best high school football areas in the nation. We have stunk for obvious reasons, our administration has tried to act like we are an ivy league and have made it impossible to recruit the talent in the area. They also have had crap facilities. I don’t see those same barriers with ECU Bball. But hopefully this is a turning point.
As for being a FBall achool, unless I missed something u have been ranked liked twice in your history to end a season. Withe the last time coming 30 years ago. I was actually surprised to see that, not sure giw tou have been able to keep your fanbase. I fuess it is the yearly P5 wins.
The whole ECU bball thing has always perplexed me.

They are basketball schools, only UNC Charlotte recently added football.

So comparatively that’s why ECU stinks vs these directional state schools and a tiny private. i thought it was the Duke, UNC and Wake issue?

LOL there is now a thread on the UConn Boneyard Board devoted 2 East Carolina's out of conference schedule. They're using it as an example of how pathetic the bottom of the basketball conference is and why they needed to get out. And they have a point.

(08-14-2019 06:17 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  I get the Fball side but why has UNC wilmington, UNC Charlotte and Davidson been able to function fine with multiple NCAA tournaments over the last 15 years? I am legit just curious. What separates ECU. Minges seems like a competitive complex and you add in a pretty dam good practice facility. Great location, sorry but not very hard entrance issues, how does this happen? I mean fball is more popular and all but has hardly been world beaters, plus why should that kill bball? you have been in decent leagues for 15 years but produced nothing in one if the best recruiting states with other non P5 schools doing just fine. Idk. Not trying pile on it is just confusing. For comparison, Tulane is in one if the best high school football areas in the nation. We have stunk for obvious reasons, our administration has tried to act like we are an ivy league and have made it impossible to recruit the talent in the area. They also have had crap facilities. I don’t see those same barriers with ECU Bball. But hopefully this is a turning point.
As for being a FBall achool, unless I missed something u have been ranked liked twice in your history to end a season. Withe the last time coming 30 years ago. I was actually surprised to see that, not sure giw tou have been able to keep your fanbase. I fuess it is the yearly P5 wins.
The whole ECU bball thing has always perplexed me.

I never bought the UNC or Duke crap who we don't recruit against. We recruit against VCU, UNCW, ODU, Mason UNCC, etc etc and have done very well recruiting local the last 25 years vs them minus the Herrion years. Attrition has always been a big part of our talent issues.

Overall it's a mix of being very poorly funded until the mid 90's, bad fits, bad hires, and a very bad extension.... Examples Dave Odom was an alum head coach here that left to be an assistant coach at UVA in the 80's, we hired a couple guys after him that were some of the lowest paid coaches in America and one retired in the community after and sold insurance. It was a bad job for a long time until the mid 90's when we renovated Minges and made a push to get into CUSA. Before that nearly all the money went to football and the quality of the job and hires was bad.

I look at it since then and it's mostly a string of bad decisions or bad fits. The first was firing a young Dooley with a winning overall record after a couple of injury plagued bad luck years gave the new AD an excuse. A bad fit Northeastern philly guy in Herrion who never got traction in Gville entering old CUSA and still trying to recruit Philly, just a terrible hire with Stokes and not enough time or chance given to McCarthy with only 2 recruiting classes IMO, and then the most stupid of all 8 year extension for a guy like Lebo who never did anything got lazy and eventually quit walking away from 2 million dollars, that paralyzed the program for half a decade waiting to get rid of him gets us to this point.

(08-14-2019 08:50 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  My criticism of ECU's schedule (i.e., they could do better) does not detract from my opinion that ECU is on the upswing.

I thought last year was terrible, but they hit most every note I wanted them to this off season until this schedule. It's obviously a terrible OOC but I'm going to just shut up and see how they do vs it. If they go something like 11-2 or 12-1 then it's less of an issue and perhaps at least somewhat useful for a team with unprecedented 11 new players working into form before conference. At least that's the only positive I can take from it and I'll give the the oppertunity to win them. If they lose more than 3 or 4 then we got major problems if these teams are as bad as expected.

If a staff of Dooley, Chillious and Roccaforte can't get it done at ECU I don't know who we can reasonably expect to get who can at this point. We literally hired Roccaforte from the top assistant position at a top 25 Virginia Tech to a lower position on our staff last year and beat out Rhode Island for Dooley who was a hot commodity interviewing for 5 known jobs the last 2 years alone.

Unprecedented rebuild being undertaken

https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/...5106950144

I'd argue more should have been done last summer but I think for the most part he's caught up on paper at least to where we should be at this point.

(08-14-2019 09:18 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  LOL there is now a thread on the UConn Boneyard Board devoted 2 East Carolina's out of conference schedule. They're using it as an example of how pathetic the bottom of the basketball conference is and why they needed to get out. And they have a point.

I'd like to counter with the fact that it's a BASKETBALL schedule. None of us are leaving because Temple can't schedule quality tennis opponents.

(08-14-2019 08:53 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 10:25 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 09:18 PM)oasispirate Wrote:  I can't wait to play some of you guys this year. We're going to surprise some people. Less than 3 months to go!

No you won’t.

Most of the league will be busy getting battle tested, meanwhile when ECU lines up to play Memphis or Houston, they aren’t going to know what him them. It will be like moving from playing high school teams to blue bloods.

You did your players, fans & the league no justice with this schedule.

The reality is.... your a buy game until proven other wise. Just get bought, beaten and at least have a good SOS


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This schedule is an absolute joke and will hurt us on many levels HOWEVER we beat Cincy in the 2nd conference game last year on Jan 5, coming off an equally bad OOC and were competitive with Memphis and UCF in conf games 3 & 4 on the road just after with an obviously terrible team that had no test OOC. That was the best we played all year infact.

Yes I would like to have seen some more test and just a better overall schedule more for reasons like better NET, NET, NET, RPI, NET and NET as well as attendance, TV, and recruiting etc etc. After the first couple games I don't think the OOC will have much impact on how we do in conference. You'll either get up to speed and run with the bigger dogs or you don't.

My God.. Build a f'n statue right in the heart of the ECU Campus that says you beat Cincinnati. Thats literally your only rebuttal after any UC fan mentions ECU. You beat UC when they were in a rebuilding year, but we all know damn well that if UC played them 10x, they'd beat them 9 out of 10.

Kudos to ECU for getting to host a school like Cincinnati, because if you weren't in this league, you'd never get a chance to play a Home and Home with UC. Thats just reality. We can be your super bowl. Its fine. It doesn't even burn that we lost to you, **** happens, we lost 3 of our best players in what was supposed to be a transition year.

But back to the point.. Your schedule is an embarassment to the league. You have a squad full of Juco's and freshman, who've never played at the AAC level, You'd think that you'd at least be a Buy game to see what your guys are made of.

Dooley is going to have no idea what works against a defense like Cincinnati or Houston. Like ECU has a respect issue and perception issue as much as a basketball performance issue, so at least lining up your self against a few good teams would give you a chance to change that perception.


But now the problem is, If you do happen to Beat UC or Houston or Memphis 1 time this year, its literally seen as a fluke. Because you did no other proving

(08-14-2019 10:59 AM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  My God.. Build a f'n statue right in the heart of the ECU Campus that says you beat Cincinnati. Thats literally your only rebuttal after any UC fan mentions ECU. You beat UC when they were in a rebuilding year, but we all know damn well that if UC played them 10x, they'd beat them 9 out of 10.

I have literally never mentioned it as a rebuttal to any Cincy fan before that I can recall. It was only that it was so pertinent and flew in the face of your example. . That's other ECU fans, I personally understand it's one game and fluke upsets happen all the time and have pointed to it in that context as a fluke multiple times that hurt the league.

That said it's not just that game, our best stretch of basketball was that game and the following two games where we were competitive on the road vs Memphis and UCF and all were in the first 4 conference games after playing a terrible OOC. It just flys in the face of the preparation myth you were telling which I don't think is overally compelling anyway.

Quote:Kudos to ECU for getting to host a school like Cincinnati, because if you weren't in this league, you'd never get a chance to play a Home and Home with UC. Thats just reality.

We've got many home and homes over the year with P5 schools. NC State, Wake Forest, Georgia, West Virginia, South Carolina, Ole Miss, Virginia Tech etc, infact nearly every year from 1990 until Lebo got here. The fact we havent in the last decade was more of a Lebo being a pu$$y thing IMO. If this continues under Dooley I'll be just as critical.

Fact is you are in a conference with us and get beat but us some too fluke or not, so get over yourself because maybe you aren't what you think you are really.

Quote:But back to the point.. Your schedule is an embarassment to the league.

Which I have been harping on for a decade and completely agree. You aren't going to hear any defense of it from me, I'm not some blind homer. I said last year at ECU was the worst offseason and rotations I've ever seen too. I can also give Dooley some credit for this offseason checking all the boxes I wanted to see other than this monstrosity. I'm just going give him a chance to go 11-2 or better which I don't think is impossible even to go undefeated with the new additions. Don't get me wrong I'm not happy over it but if we win some of the issues are mitigated at least.

(08-14-2019 10:19 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(08-14-2019 09:18 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  LOL there is now a thread on the UConn Boneyard Board devoted 2 East Carolina's out of conference schedule. They're using it as an example of how pathetic the bottom of the basketball conference is and why they needed to get out. And they have a point.

I'd like to counter with the fact that it's a BASKETBALL schedule. None of us are leaving because Temple can't schedule quality tennis opponents.

Basketball isn't tennis, though. We have a few schools here that REALLY put a focus on it and will act accordingly if standards aren't met.

(08-14-2019 06:15 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 12:15 PM)Wudizzle Wrote:  IMO, there's nothing wrong with ECU having a poor schedule. They need to build a culture of winning and pick themselves up off the mat.

The important thing is that they (a) WIN these games and (b) improve the schedule going forward as they improve the program.

There is a lot wrong with this schedule. It will make ECU a 200+ team & it hurts every school in the conference even if ECU wins these games.

Everyone is confusing needing a good schedule to help the league. This is wrong in ECU's case. ECU doesn't need a good non-con schedule. They need to suck less and win more games. That takes time.

Improving the non-con schedule and then losing those games doesn't help ECU, and it doesn't help the league, not in a noticeable way. When you're talking about a team in the 250 range, non-con schedule change has little meaning to the NET of potential tournament teams in the league. That isn't how the math works. ECU would be a Q4 team if they beat 11 of these teams and went 3-15 in league, and they would be a Q4 team if they beat 4 teams on a good non-con schedule and went 3-15 in league. One of those routes allows the potential to improve the program the next season.

Take a look at NCSOS from the last few years. Lots of teams with terrible RPI play top NCSOS and lots of teams with 1-5 NCAA seeds play terrible (275+) NCSOS (including Houston last year, btdubs).

I agree that the schedule is horrible. I agree it would be nice for ECU to not be a boat anchor on the league. I disagree that getting beat up by a tougher schedule is the road to fixing that. As I said earlier, the proof will be in the results. In 2 years they need to have been winning these games and improving the schedule. If BOTH are not true, then they need to try again with a new coach.

(08-14-2019 12:12 PM)Wudizzle Wrote:  

(08-14-2019 06:15 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 12:15 PM)Wudizzle Wrote:  IMO, there's nothing wrong with ECU having a poor schedule. They need to build a culture of winning and pick themselves up off the mat.

The important thing is that they (a) WIN these games and (b) improve the schedule going forward as they improve the program.

There is a lot wrong with this schedule. It will make ECU a 200+ team & it hurts every school in the conference even if ECU wins these games.

Everyone is confusing needing a good schedule to help the league. This is wrong in ECU's case. ECU doesn't need a good non-con schedule. They need to suck less and win more games. That takes time.

Improving the non-con schedule and then losing those games doesn't help ECU, and it doesn't help the league, not in a noticeable way. When you're talking about a team in the 250 range, non-con schedule change has little meaning to the NET of potential tournament teams in the league. That isn't how the math works. ECU would be a Q4 team if they beat 11 of these teams and went 3-15 in league, and they would be a Q4 team if they beat 4 teams on a good non-con schedule and went 3-15 in league. One of those routes allows the potential to improve the program the next season.

Take a look at NCSOS from the last few years. Lots of teams with terrible RPI play top NCSOS and lots of teams with 1-5 NCAA seeds play terrible (275+) NCSOS (including Houston last year, btdubs).

I agree that the schedule is horrible. I agree it would be nice for ECU to not be a boat anchor on the league. I disagree that getting beat up by a tougher schedule is the road to fixing that. As I said earlier, the proof will be in the results. In 2 years they need to have been winning these games and improving the schedule. If BOTH are not true, then they need to try again with a new coach.

Around 2010 when most of us were still in CUSA the league paid for Jerry Palm to come in and council teams on their OOC scheduling at a summer seminar, and his guide lines were to play teams you were slightly better than. So if you thought you were going to a 150 RPI team you play teams around 175 ideally where you would be favored. This schedule is just so bad even in that context though unless we were a 250+ team, and if we are 250+ team again Dooley needs to go.........There is some merit in what you say but overall this schedule still needed to be upgraded. It affects not only the NET which is important but the ticket sales, TV, recruiting etc. There are many aspects that are problematic in making a schedule this bad that will even Shampoo Effect us next year probably when we try to schedule again and with TV, ticket sales etc.

(08-14-2019 10:59 AM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  

(08-14-2019 08:53 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 10:25 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 09:18 PM)oasispirate Wrote:  I can't wait to play some of you guys this year. We're going to surprise some people. Less than 3 months to go!

No you won’t.

Most of the league will be busy getting battle tested, meanwhile when ECU lines up to play Memphis or Houston, they aren’t going to know what him them. It will be like moving from playing high school teams to blue bloods.

You did your players, fans & the league no justice with this schedule.

The reality is.... your a buy game until proven other wise. Just get bought, beaten and at least have a good SOS


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This schedule is an absolute joke and will hurt us on many levels HOWEVER we beat Cincy in the 2nd conference game last year on Jan 5, coming off an equally bad OOC and were competitive with Memphis and UCF in conf games 3 & 4 on the road just after with an obviously terrible team that had no test OOC. That was the best we played all year infact.

Yes I would like to have seen some more test and just a better overall schedule more for reasons like better NET, NET, NET, RPI, NET and NET as well as attendance, TV, and recruiting etc etc. After the first couple games I don't think the OOC will have much impact on how we do in conference. You'll either get up to speed and run with the bigger dogs or you don't.

My God.. Build a f'n statue right in the heart of the ECU Campus that says you beat Cincinnati. Thats literally your only rebuttal after any UC fan mentions ECU. You beat UC when they were in a rebuilding year, but we all know damn well that if UC played them 10x, they'd beat them 9 out of 10.

Kudos to ECU for getting to host a school like Cincinnati, because if you weren't in this league, you'd never get a chance to play a Home and Home with UC. Thats just reality. We can be your super bowl. Its fine. It doesn't even burn that we lost to you, **** happens, we lost 3 of our best players in what was supposed to be a transition year.

Please don't refer to any basketball game involving any basketball teams as a super bowl. The Super Bowl is for sports, and basketball isn't a sport.

We only mention game results in response to UC fans talking trash about our basketball program. Yes, it's very very terrible, and we'll take the trash talk. Only teams that can actually beat us, however, get to talk trash without getting a reminder that you should probably be better than us in basketball first. Won't take that crap from Prairie View A&M, and certainly won't take it from Cindy. Our cardboard cutouts of Michael Jordan from Home Alone will be waiting when you guys are ready to try to redeem yourselves next year.

You guys beat us in football this past year, so you're able to talk some poo in that department until November. Enjoy.

A lot of these contracts expire this year for non conference games. Most of these games were set by Leno and Compher. (JMU, App State, Charlotte, etc). So that should help. Other two problems is that no one wants to play us due to our terrible RPI and we can’t go on the road to play buy games to help our RPI due to the American rule of no buy games in basketball. So we are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Our goal is to increase our record this year (try to hit 20 wins) and use that to schedule better games next year.

Do you think the American will eventually go to 20 conference games after UConn leaves? With 11 teams, everyone plays a true round robin.

I only ask because the Big Ten, Big East, ACC and Pac 12 are all going to it. It's going to be harder and harder for the bottom teams in this league to schedule competitively in the OOC with fewer games available.

The bottom teams would probably love 20 games, while Memphis, Houston and Cincy would despise it.

(08-14-2019 01:54 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  A lot of these contracts expire this year for non conference games. Most of these games were set by Leno and Compher. (JMU, App State, Charlotte, etc). So that should help. Other two problems is that no one wants to play us due to our terrible RPI and we can’t go on the road to play buy games to help our RPI due to the American rule of no buy games in basketball. So we are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Our goal is to increase our record this year (try to hit 20 wins) and use that to schedule better games next year.

This is just wrong, there aren't a "lot" of games from already on the books when he got here. There are Charlotte, JMU and App left over that were on the books before Dooley and UNCW from last year. The joke of it is they are about the BEST games and MARQUEE games of interest the last two years that we have played. These aren't the bad games or problems any ones complaining about, they are the ones the ticket people marketed infact as the best. Dooley had plenty of schedule to shape it however he wanted and just didn't. Call it for what it is.

As to the other excuses you bought into there are other schools in this league with similar issues like Tulane that blow our schedule away the last 5 years and get ACC /p5 teams to play them at home in a 3k seat gym so there really is no excuses. Ive heard them all from some of the ECU fans that will defend anything but their aren't really valid for the last 3 schedules to be near worst in the nation. You have to TRY to make them this bad and this is mostly Dooley at this point and our fans like you that buy the excueses who let them off the hook.

We'll see how we do, I think you just have to adjust the expectations to 11-2 or better record he need to meet now if he is going to make one this bad. For me if he doesn't have AT least a #175ish NET or better I think this year it's a failure so he needs to win enough to meet the very minimum standards of that if he's going to schedule this poorly he better hold up the other end.