(07-30-2019 08:44 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 08:37 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 08:23 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 08:07 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  Jeez...

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-ai...=64634140]

*edit* I'm all-in on "Orange Man Bad" when it comes to this stuff. Less so on the inflammatory tweets.

The link doesn't work.

Has the story been retracted? (/jk)

I wish.

Here's another try: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-ai...d=64634140

Quote:The language that winds up in Trump’s speech ultimately does not include the direct references to the Gulf leaders but does include a nod to the requested sentiment – expressing his desire to “work with our Gulf allies to develop a positive energy relationship as part of our anti-terrorism strategy.”

Oh, the horror!

Let me just run this speech by this foreign government where I just happen to have business interests. Cool cool.

(07-29-2019 10:37 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  The way I see it, one false accusation of racism based on twisting a man's words is 1000x more evil than those words themselves no matter how vulgar or offensive. I don't care how prim and proper a Democrat's speech, if it's malicious slander it offends me more than a string of explicatives would.

This is the heart of the matter.


And the left are masters at false, twisted accusations of racism.

(07-30-2019 08:58 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 08:44 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 08:37 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 08:23 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 08:07 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  Jeez...

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-ai...=64634140]

*edit* I'm all-in on "Orange Man Bad" when it comes to this stuff. Less so on the inflammatory tweets.

The link doesn't work.

Has the story been retracted? (/jk)

I wish.

Here's another try: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-ai...d=64634140

Quote:The language that winds up in Trump’s speech ultimately does not include the direct references to the Gulf leaders but does include a nod to the requested sentiment – expressing his desire to “work with our Gulf allies to develop a positive energy relationship as part of our anti-terrorism strategy.”

Oh, the horror!

Let me just run this speech by this foreign government where I just happen to have business interests. Cool cool.

He has business interests all over the world. About any foreigner he talks to will be from a country where Trump has business interests.

He consulted with foreign leaders before a speech on energy policy that directly affects their countries. Much of the article is about what he didn't do: he left out most of the suggested language.

What's the story here?

(07-30-2019 09:07 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 08:58 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 08:44 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 08:37 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 08:23 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  The link doesn't work.

Has the story been retracted? (/jk)

I wish.

Here's another try: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-ai...d=64634140

Quote:The language that winds up in Trump’s speech ultimately does not include the direct references to the Gulf leaders but does include a nod to the requested sentiment – expressing his desire to “work with our Gulf allies to develop a positive energy relationship as part of our anti-terrorism strategy.”

Oh, the horror!

Let me just run this speech by this foreign government where I just happen to have business interests. Cool cool.

He has business interests all over the world. About any foreigner he talks to will be from a country where Trump has business interests.

He consulted with foreign leaders before a speech on energy policy that directly affects their countries. Much of the article is about what he didn't do: he left out most of the suggested language.

What's the story here?

Just more co-mingling of his business interests and public policy. This would not be such a concern had he actually made a genuine effort to separate his business interests upon taking office. But he didn't so here we are.

(07-30-2019 09:14 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 09:07 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 08:58 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 08:44 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 08:37 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  I wish.

Here's another try: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-ai...d=64634140

Quote:The language that winds up in Trump’s speech ultimately does not include the direct references to the Gulf leaders but does include a nod to the requested sentiment – expressing his desire to “work with our Gulf allies to develop a positive energy relationship as part of our anti-terrorism strategy.”

Oh, the horror!

Let me just run this speech by this foreign government where I just happen to have business interests. Cool cool.

He has business interests all over the world. About any foreigner he talks to will be from a country where Trump has business interests.

He consulted with foreign leaders before a speech on energy policy that directly affects their countries. Much of the article is about what he didn't do: he left out most of the suggested language.

What's the story here?

Just more co-mingling of his business interests and public policy. This would not be such a concern had he actually made a genuine effort to separate his business interests upon taking office. But he didn't so here we are.

Is there any evidence that he has put the nation's interests second to his business interests? I mean real evidence, not like the Russia probe.

(07-30-2019 09:14 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 09:07 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 08:58 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 08:44 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 08:37 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  I wish.

Here's another try: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-ai...d=64634140

Quote:The language that winds up in Trump’s speech ultimately does not include the direct references to the Gulf leaders but does include a nod to the requested sentiment – expressing his desire to “work with our Gulf allies to develop a positive energy relationship as part of our anti-terrorism strategy.”

Oh, the horror!

Let me just run this speech by this foreign government where I just happen to have business interests. Cool cool.

He has business interests all over the world. About any foreigner he talks to will be from a country where Trump has business interests.

He consulted with foreign leaders before a speech on energy policy that directly affects their countries. Much of the article is about what he didn't do: he left out most of the suggested language.

What's the story here?

Just more co-mingling of his business interests and public policy. This would not be such a concern had he actually made a genuine effort to separate his business interests upon taking office. But he didn't so here we are.

So the concern isn't his seeking their input on a speech, a speech that isn't even substantive.

(07-30-2019 09:07 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 08:58 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 08:44 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 08:37 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 08:23 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  The link doesn't work.

Has the story been retracted? (/jk)

I wish.

Here's another try: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-ai...d=64634140

Quote:The language that winds up in Trump’s speech ultimately does not include the direct references to the Gulf leaders but does include a nod to the requested sentiment – expressing his desire to “work with our Gulf allies to develop a positive energy relationship as part of our anti-terrorism strategy.”

Oh, the horror!

Let me just run this speech by this foreign government where I just happen to have business interests. Cool cool.

He has business interests all over the world. About any foreigner he talks to will be from a country where Trump has business interests.

He consulted with foreign leaders before a speech on energy policy that directly affects their countries. Much of the article is about what he didn't do: he left out most of the suggested language.

What's the story here?

A private businessman in the UAE was given access to a foreign policy speech prior to it being given (thus potentially giving him insider information).

Also, it's a bit ironic that a foreign government was then allowed to review and edit a policy speech that was intended to be about putting America first.

A nice aside

Ben Carson on Baltimore

Carson said he does not consider Cummings a “bad person.”

“I think he actually is working hard to try to help people,” Carson said. “And I certainly don’t think President Trump is a bad person. He’s working very hard — in fact, I asked him today, would you be willing to work with Elijah Cummings to bring some relief to the people of Baltimore? He said he would be happy to."

Be happy to work with Cummings to help Baltimore? Clearly racist.

(07-30-2019 09:38 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Ben Carson on Baltimore

Carson said he does not consider Cummings a “bad person.”

“I think he actually is working hard to try to help people,” Carson said. “And I certainly don’t think President Trump is a bad person. He’s working very hard — in fact, I asked him today, would you be willing to work with Elijah Cummings to bring some relief to the people of Baltimore? He said he would be happy to."

Be happy to work with Cummings to help Baltimore? Clearly racist.

I'm not on the "Trump is a racist" train. With that said... this story isn't especially strong proof that he is NOT a racist IMO.

(07-30-2019 10:00 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 09:38 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Ben Carson on Baltimore

Carson said he does not consider Cummings a “bad person.”

“I think he actually is working hard to try to help people,” Carson said. “And I certainly don’t think President Trump is a bad person. He’s working very hard — in fact, I asked him today, would you be willing to work with Elijah Cummings to bring some relief to the people of Baltimore? He said he would be happy to."

Be happy to work with Cummings to help Baltimore? Clearly racist.

I'm not on the "Trump is a racist" train. With that said... this story isn't especially strong proof that he is NOT a racist IMO.

Well, you are on a train with a bunch of people who fervently believe he is, and cite that as one of the reasons to impeach. But glad to hear you personally do not think he is a racist.

The salient part of that interview to me is that Carson, as a doctor, hesitated to send children back to East Baltimore.

(07-30-2019 10:05 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 10:00 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 09:38 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Ben Carson on Baltimore

Carson said he does not consider Cummings a “bad person.”

“I think he actually is working hard to try to help people,” Carson said. “And I certainly don’t think President Trump is a bad person. He’s working very hard — in fact, I asked him today, would you be willing to work with Elijah Cummings to bring some relief to the people of Baltimore? He said he would be happy to."

Be happy to work with Cummings to help Baltimore? Clearly racist.

I'm not on the "Trump is a racist" train. With that said... this story isn't especially strong proof that he is NOT a racist IMO.

Well, you are on a train with a bunch of people who fervently believe he is, and cite that as one of the reasons to impeach. But glad to hear you personally do not think he is a racist.

The salient part of that interview to me is that Carson, as a doctor, hesitated to send children back to East Baltimore.

There are poor people who live in terrible conditions all over the USA. Inner city, rural, white people, brown people...

(07-30-2019 10:11 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 10:05 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 10:00 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 09:38 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Ben Carson on Baltimore

Carson said he does not consider Cummings a “bad person.”

“I think he actually is working hard to try to help people,” Carson said. “And I certainly don’t think President Trump is a bad person. He’s working very hard — in fact, I asked him today, would you be willing to work with Elijah Cummings to bring some relief to the people of Baltimore? He said he would be happy to."

Be happy to work with Cummings to help Baltimore? Clearly racist.

I'm not on the "Trump is a racist" train. With that said... this story isn't especially strong proof that he is NOT a racist IMO.

Well, you are on a train with a bunch of people who fervently believe he is, and cite that as one of the reasons to impeach. But glad to hear you personally do not think he is a racist.

The salient part of that interview to me is that Carson, as a doctor, hesitated to send children back to East Baltimore.

There are poor people who live in terrible conditions all over the USA. Inner city, rural, white people, brown people...

Yep, and I am sure Carson would have hesitated to send any child back to substandard conditions anywhere.

BUT:

Carson was in Baltimore, and the brouhaha is about Baltimore. He was not in Wyoming or El Paso, and the controversy is not in West Virginia. Not even a good try at a deflection.

(07-30-2019 10:11 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 10:05 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 10:00 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 09:38 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Ben Carson on Baltimore

Carson said he does not consider Cummings a “bad person.”

“I think he actually is working hard to try to help people,” Carson said. “And I certainly don’t think President Trump is a bad person. He’s working very hard — in fact, I asked him today, would you be willing to work with Elijah Cummings to bring some relief to the people of Baltimore? He said he would be happy to."

Be happy to work with Cummings to help Baltimore? Clearly racist.

I'm not on the "Trump is a racist" train. With that said... this story isn't especially strong proof that he is NOT a racist IMO.

Well, you are on a train with a bunch of people who fervently believe he is, and cite that as one of the reasons to impeach. But glad to hear you personally do not think he is a racist.

The salient part of that interview to me is that Carson, as a doctor, hesitated to send children back to East Baltimore.

There are poor people who live in terrible conditions all over the USA. Inner city, rural, white people, brown people...

Yep, and I am sure Carson would have hesitated to send any child back to substandard conditions anywhere.

BUT:

Carson was in Baltimore, and the brouhaha is about Baltimore. He was not in Wyoming or El Paso, and the controversy is not in West Virginia. Not even a good try at a deflection.

(07-30-2019 10:19 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 10:11 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 10:05 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 10:00 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 09:38 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Ben Carson on Baltimore

Carson said he does not consider Cummings a “bad person.”

“I think he actually is working hard to try to help people,” Carson said. “And I certainly don’t think President Trump is a bad person. He’s working very hard — in fact, I asked him today, would you be willing to work with Elijah Cummings to bring some relief to the people of Baltimore? He said he would be happy to."

Be happy to work with Cummings to help Baltimore? Clearly racist.

I'm not on the "Trump is a racist" train. With that said... this story isn't especially strong proof that he is NOT a racist IMO.

Well, you are on a train with a bunch of people who fervently believe he is, and cite that as one of the reasons to impeach. But glad to hear you personally do not think he is a racist.

The salient part of that interview to me is that Carson, as a doctor, hesitated to send children back to East Baltimore.

There are poor people who live in terrible conditions all over the USA. Inner city, rural, white people, brown people...

Yep, and I am sure Carson would have hesitated to send any child back to substandard conditions anywhere.

BUT:

Carson was in Baltimore, and the brouhaha is about Baltimore. He was not in Wyoming or El Paso, and the controversy is not in West Virginia. Not even a good try at a deflection.

Still not a compelling argument for Trump not being a racist.

(07-30-2019 09:24 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 09:07 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 08:58 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 08:44 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 08:37 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  I wish.

Here's another try: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-ai...d=64634140

Quote:The language that winds up in Trump’s speech ultimately does not include the direct references to the Gulf leaders but does include a nod to the requested sentiment – expressing his desire to “work with our Gulf allies to develop a positive energy relationship as part of our anti-terrorism strategy.”

Oh, the horror!

Let me just run this speech by this foreign government where I just happen to have business interests. Cool cool.

He has business interests all over the world. About any foreigner he talks to will be from a country where Trump has business interests.

He consulted with foreign leaders before a speech on energy policy that directly affects their countries. Much of the article is about what he didn't do: he left out most of the suggested language.

What's the story here?

A private businessman in the UAE was given access to a foreign policy speech prior to it being given (thus potentially giving him insider information).

Also, it's a bit ironic that a foreign government was then allowed to review and edit a policy speech that was intended to be about putting America first.

Cooperating with foreign governments - and yes, even sharing information with them - is not inconsistent with putting America first.

(07-30-2019 10:22 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 10:19 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 10:11 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 10:05 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 10:00 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  I'm not on the "Trump is a racist" train. With that said... this story isn't especially strong proof that he is NOT a racist IMO.

Well, you are on a train with a bunch of people who fervently believe he is, and cite that as one of the reasons to impeach. But glad to hear you personally do not think he is a racist.

The salient part of that interview to me is that Carson, as a doctor, hesitated to send children back to East Baltimore.

There are poor people who live in terrible conditions all over the USA. Inner city, rural, white people, brown people...

Yep, and I am sure Carson would have hesitated to send any child back to substandard conditions anywhere.

BUT:

Carson was in Baltimore, and the brouhaha is about Baltimore. He was not in Wyoming or El Paso, and the controversy is not in West Virginia. Not even a good try at a deflection.

Still not a compelling argument for Trump not being a racist.

It's very difficult to prove a negative. But you know that.

(07-30-2019 10:22 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 10:19 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 10:11 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 10:05 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 10:00 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  I'm not on the "Trump is a racist" train. With that said... this story isn't especially strong proof that he is NOT a racist IMO.

Well, you are on a train with a bunch of people who fervently believe he is, and cite that as one of the reasons to impeach. But glad to hear you personally do not think he is a racist.

The salient part of that interview to me is that Carson, as a doctor, hesitated to send children back to East Baltimore.

There are poor people who live in terrible conditions all over the USA. Inner city, rural, white people, brown people...

Yep, and I am sure Carson would have hesitated to send any child back to substandard conditions anywhere.

BUT:

Carson was in Baltimore, and the brouhaha is about Baltimore. He was not in Wyoming or El Paso, and the controversy is not in West Virginia. Not even a good try at a deflection.

Still not a compelling argument for Trump not being a racist.

It is compelling evidence of, at the least, a double standard in using the word 'infested' as proof of racism; and further, decent proof that the terminology 'infested' is not racist in the slightest especially given the context that he (Carson) was referring specifically to Baltimore.

But your side is jumping up and down like irate chimps at the zoo during feeding time over that terminology, isnt it?

(07-30-2019 10:37 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 09:24 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 09:07 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 08:58 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 08:44 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  Oh, the horror!

Let me just run this speech by this foreign government where I just happen to have business interests. Cool cool.

He has business interests all over the world. About any foreigner he talks to will be from a country where Trump has business interests.

He consulted with foreign leaders before a speech on energy policy that directly affects their countries. Much of the article is about what he didn't do: he left out most of the suggested language.

What's the story here?

A private businessman in the UAE was given access to a foreign policy speech prior to it being given (thus potentially giving him insider information).

Also, it's a bit ironic that a foreign government was then allowed to review and edit a policy speech that was intended to be about putting America first.

Cooperating with foreign governments - and yes, even sharing information with them - is not inconsistent with putting America first.

Trump's whole campaign was based on the idea of America dictating the terms and not asking for other's opinions on matters. It's ironic, and not that hard to admit it's ironic, especially given how Trump talks.

I have more issue with using private citizens, who likely have vested business interests, as intermediaries. The guy Barrack gave the speech to had access to information that could be used for personal gain, because what POTUS says matters and can move markets.

(07-30-2019 10:38 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 10:22 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 10:19 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 10:11 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 10:05 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Well, you are on a train with a bunch of people who fervently believe he is, and cite that as one of the reasons to impeach. But glad to hear you personally do not think he is a racist.

The salient part of that interview to me is that Carson, as a doctor, hesitated to send children back to East Baltimore.

There are poor people who live in terrible conditions all over the USA. Inner city, rural, white people, brown people...

Yep, and I am sure Carson would have hesitated to send any child back to substandard conditions anywhere.

BUT:

Carson was in Baltimore, and the brouhaha is about Baltimore. He was not in Wyoming or El Paso, and the controversy is not in West Virginia. Not even a good try at a deflection.

Still not a compelling argument for Trump not being a racist.

It's very difficult to prove a negative. But you know that.

Agree. I never asked him to prove that Trump isn't racist. He was the one that posted a story and implied that it provided strength to the argument that Trump isn't racist.