I just saw reference to Sen. Murphy's 2 reports (others likely to follow). I read them quickly. His main target is P5 football. Nothing really new. I was surprised that college sports revenue has grown from $4 B to $14 B in the past 14 years. He looks at coaches salaries and lavish facilities. His primary concern is that everyone is getting rich...except the players. He calls is it "The College Sports Industrial Complex". He claims the NCAA cares more about appearing to educate players than actually educating them, and that their graduation rates are inaccurate. He says, "Incremental changes won't fix this crisis." He is envisioning whole-sale changes to college sports. I don't know if this will make a splash or just be ignored. But when you have a US Senator making noise, it takes the conversation to a higher level of impact. I don't think the NCAA wants Senators poking into their operations.

overview: https://www.ctpost.com/sports/article/Mu...127723.php
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/chris-mur...xHKLdbTzzK
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...tions.html

report 1: https://www.scribd.com/document/403373990/Madness-Inc
report 2: https://www.scribd.com/document/41965159...-Classroom

Lucky this didnt some out before the Alton case. It would have further undermined the NCAA's student athlete defense.

AhHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

This being spouted by a US Senator raises it to a whole new level my arse! Most of our US Senators love themselves and some votes and will do almost anything to get self love and votes. They don't give a damn about the NCAA or Amateur Athletes.

This will have absolutely no effect on the NCAA, Amateur Athletics or the Networks behind the Contracts. All this will do is be a temporary talking point to try and grab a few votes from people who've heard enough about politics and have yet to tire of sports.

Louisville had Chris Dodd (UofL Grad / Former CT Senator/ Former Senate Minority Leader) and Mitch McConnell (UofL Grad / Kentucky Senator / Senate Majority Leader) both campaigning for Louisville a spot in a power conference BEFORE The ACC called and it did absolutely nothing for our case.

I doubt a junior senator from the opposition / minority party, in a state with absolutely zero power in the present congress, will be able to do anything. This is nothing more than political grandstanding in a state where the NCAA and college athletics are under the microscope because of UConn’s present situation.

15 states (or 30% of Senators) have no P5 program. They see rivers of money flowing to 65 schools bypassing their states in a time of fewer state dollars for education, higher tuition, and frustrated constituents. That could lead to some serious political resentment. And the NCAA could hand them the ammunition in terms of "real" graduation rates and unjustifiable expenditures (think LSU's new locker room- collegiate facilities more opulent and luxurious than the NFL's). The NCAA might become a political victim of its own success (or excess). And since most of these schools are public schools, I'm sure there can be found some legal justification for government involvement (think title IX). Sen. Murphy's reports by themselves might not be a threat at this time. But keep putting publicity like this on the scales, and a tipping point might be reached- an exasperated public demanding that the government "do something". If I was an NCAA official, having Senators snooping around would make me nervous.

No one hates The NCAA more than this Louisville fan. I am, however, realistic. If 30% of the states don’t have P5 representation, that means 70% does. I can’t see enough Senators willing to upset the apple cart when their constituents favorite universities are getting the biggest bite.

What we would see at the most might be more worthless congressional hearings, some saber rattling and little else. All while The NCAA has its representation working overtime lobbying the most powerful senators.

Unfortunately our government isn’t about actually doing anything to improve a situation. It’s about a bunch of rich people, on both sides of the aisle, trying to figure out how to put more money in their pockets.

(07-25-2019 01:49 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Louisville had Chris Dodd (UofL Grad / Former CT Senator/ Former Senate Minority Leader) and Mitch McConnell (UofL Grad / Kentucky Senator / Senate Majority Leader) both campaigning for Louisville a spot in a power conference BEFORE The ACC called and it did absolutely nothing for our case.

I doubt a junior senator from the opposition / minority party, in a state with absolutely zero power in the present congress, will be able to do anything. This is nothing more than political grandstanding in a state where the NCAA and college athletics are under the microscope because of UConn’s present situation.

How do you know their influence didn't play a role? UofL landed in the ACC, after all, in spite of its conspicuously under-achieving academics. Would you rather the senators hadn't campaigned on your behalf?

Louisville had more to do with Football than politicians. Northeast liberal upset because he thinks he should decide how money should be distributed instead of the ones who actually make it. In the words of Blake Shelton "He can kiss my country A$$!"

(07-25-2019 02:45 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  No one hates The NCAA more than this Louisville fan. I am, however, realistic. If 30% of the states don’t have P5 representation, that means 70% does. I can’t see enough Senators willing to upset the apple cart when their constituents favorite universities are getting the biggest bite.

What we would see at the most might be more worthless congressional hearings, some saber rattling and little else. All while The NCAA has its representation working overtime lobbying the most powerful senators.

Unfortunately our government isn’t about actually doing anything to improve a situation. It’s about a bunch of rich people, on both sides of the aisle, trying to figure out how to put more money in their pockets.

I'm sure the same would be true for New Mexico or NM State if they tried to get New Mexico's senators involved.

(07-25-2019 06:12 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(07-25-2019 02:45 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  No one hates The NCAA more than this Louisville fan. I am, however, realistic. If 30% of the states don’t have P5 representation, that means 70% does. I can’t see enough Senators willing to upset the apple cart when their constituents favorite universities are getting the biggest bite.

What we would see at the most might be more worthless congressional hearings, some saber rattling and little else. All while The NCAA has its representation working overtime lobbying the most powerful senators.

Unfortunately our government isn’t about actually doing anything to improve a situation. It’s about a bunch of rich people, on both sides of the aisle, trying to figure out how to put more money in their pockets.

I'm sure the same would be true for New Mexico or NM State if they tried to get New Mexico's senators involved.

I’ve often thought that the Governor and Senators of New Mexico and Wyoming MUST be getting paid off for allowing EVERY OTHER state in the country that started major college football over a century ago to have a Power program in the cartel while they are the only 2 originals not included.
It’s criminal that every other State that started FB back then is part of the system except New Mexico and Wyoming.
I get that Hawaii, Nevada, Idaho, Connecticut aren’t part of it because they started major college football relatively recently. (Maybe not Hawaii)
New Mexico and Wyoming were original founders of the WAC 60 years ago for goodness sakes.
Criminal.

(07-25-2019 02:45 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  No one hates The NCAA more than this Louisville fan. I am, however, realistic. If 30% of the states don’t have P5 representation, that means 70% does. I can’t see enough Senators willing to upset the apple cart when their constituents favorite universities are getting the biggest bite.

What we would see at the most might be more worthless congressional hearings, some saber rattling and little else. All while The NCAA has its representation working overtime lobbying the most powerful senators.

Unfortunately our government isn’t about actually doing anything to improve a situation. It’s about a bunch of rich people, on both sides of the aisle, trying to figure out how to put more money in their pockets.

I don't disagree with anything in his argument or in the reports. What I will note is that the lone voice of a Senator from the state of the jilted UConn Huskies who are now under a boat load of debt driven by their pursuit of the P5 position comes across more like "Sour Grapes" than it does as a sincere effort to support the student athletes.

I'm on record that I would rather they be payed and for the doing of it to be above board complete with W2's. Now that may not sound like it would stop under the table payouts but it would. Having the IRS comb through donor and AD records for unreported income disbursements would be enough of a deterrent.

(07-25-2019 06:23 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-25-2019 06:12 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(07-25-2019 02:45 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  No one hates The NCAA more than this Louisville fan. I am, however, realistic. If 30% of the states don’t have P5 representation, that means 70% does. I can’t see enough Senators willing to upset the apple cart when their constituents favorite universities are getting the biggest bite.

What we would see at the most might be more worthless congressional hearings, some saber rattling and little else. All while The NCAA has its representation working overtime lobbying the most powerful senators.

Unfortunately our government isn’t about actually doing anything to improve a situation. It’s about a bunch of rich people, on both sides of the aisle, trying to figure out how to put more money in their pockets.

I'm sure the same would be true for New Mexico or NM State if they tried to get New Mexico's senators involved.

I’ve often thought that the Governor and Senators of New Mexico and Wyoming MUST be getting paid off for allowing EVERY OTHER state in the country that started major college football over a century ago to have a Power program in the cartel while they are the only 2 originals not included.
It’s criminal that every other State that started FB back then is part of the system except New Mexico and Wyoming.
I get that Hawaii, Nevada, Idaho, Connecticut aren’t part of it because they started major college football relatively recently. (Maybe not Hawaii)
New Mexico and Wyoming were original founders of the WAC 60 years ago for goodness sakes.
Criminal.

Univ of Idaho started football in 1893. Were part of a major conference one hundred years ago.

Univ of Nevada started football in 1896

I can't wait to hear his critique of the CEO that lives next door to him that makes $50,000/hour while paying his employees minimum wage.

(07-25-2019 01:34 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  AhHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

This being spouted by a US Senator raises it to a whole new level my arse! Most of our US Senators love themselves and some votes and will do almost anything to get self love and votes. They don't give a damn about the NCAA or Amateur Athletes.

This will have absolutely no effect on the NCAA, Amateur Athletics or the Networks behind the Contracts. All this will do is be a temporary talking point to try and grab a few votes from people who've heard enough about politics and have yet to tire of sports.

Orrin Hatch (UT) basically got the BCS amended to make it easier for non-BCS conferences to get in.

The NCAA will not ignore Senators.

As for the other comment about the ACC, note that Utah and Louisville are now in P5 conferences.

(07-25-2019 08:03 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-25-2019 06:23 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I’ve often thought that the Governor and Senators of New Mexico and Wyoming MUST be getting paid off for allowing EVERY OTHER state in the country that started major college football over a century ago to have a Power program in the cartel while they are the only 2 originals not included. ...

Univ of Idaho started football in 1893. Were part of a major conference one hundred years ago.

Univ of Nevada started football in 1896

The plot thickens ... that's the four governors of four states and eight Senators all getting paid off.

If the payoff was in monetary terms, there would have to be a money trail somewhere. Since the normal term for a conspiracy involving 10 or more people is "news", maybe the payoff isn't in monetary terms.

The payoff may be in the form of allowing the Go5 to continue to be treated as having "halfway major" (given Autonomy voting distribution) football.

(07-25-2019 10:41 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-25-2019 01:34 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  AhHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

This being spouted by a US Senator raises it to a whole new level my arse! Most of our US Senators love themselves and some votes and will do almost anything to get self love and votes. They don't give a damn about the NCAA or Amateur Athletes.

This will have absolutely no effect on the NCAA, Amateur Athletics or the Networks behind the Contracts. All this will do is be a temporary talking point to try and grab a few votes from people who've heard enough about politics and have yet to tire of sports.

Orrin Hatch (UT) basically got the BCS amended to make it easier for non-BCS conferences to get in.

The NCAA will not ignore Senators.

As for the other comment about the ACC, note that Utah and Louisville are now in P5 conferences.

Your comments show a certain level of Naivete. The NCAA does what helps the NCAA. UTAH and UofL helped themselves by performed very well and having large numbers of supporters. If all it took was for a Senator or two to complain, UConn would be in the ACC today. Hint for you, they aren't.

(07-25-2019 02:24 PM)MidWestMidMajor Wrote:  15 states (or 30% of Senators) have no P5 program. They see rivers of money flowing to 65 schools bypassing their states in a time of fewer state dollars for education, higher tuition, and frustrated constituents. That could lead to some serious political resentment. And the NCAA could hand them the ammunition in terms of "real" graduation rates and unjustifiable expenditures (think LSU's new locker room- collegiate facilities more opulent and luxurious than the NFL's). The NCAA might become a political victim of its own success (or excess). And since most of these schools are public schools, I'm sure there can be found some legal justification for government involvement (think title IX). Sen. Murphy's reports by themselves might not be a threat at this time. But keep putting publicity like this on the scales, and a tipping point might be reached- an exasperated public demanding that the government "do something". If I was an NCAA official, having Senators snooping around would make me nervous.

This could be a bi-partisan bill to get passed or go after the NCAA and P5 conferences for an anti-trust. That was how Utah got in.

Alaska:red
Conn:blue
Delaware:blue
D.C.:blue
Hawaii:blue
Idaho:red
Maine:red
Mass.:blue (I do not count private schools which are not state run schools)
Montana:red
Nevada:blue
New Hampshire:blue
New Mexico:blue
New York:blue
North Dakota:red
Rhode Island:blue
South Dakota:red
Vermont:purple
Wyoming:red

7 states are Republican control
2 are mixed
9 are Democrat control.

Alaska gets a Notre Dame type deal with the PAC 12 since they are an R1, and the money they get could help make improvements to the school.
UConn going to the ACC would help the ACC north schools out with fans. All the ACC north schools are being beaten by fan support by several G5 schools from the AAC and MWC along with App. State and BYU.
Delaware either to the ACC or Big 10. They are like an AAU type school.
Georgetown to ACC. There seems to be no public University in the state unless you count the hybrid in D3 for the school for the blind and deaf.
Hawaii to the PAC 12.
Boise State to the PAC 12.
Maine to the ACC
UMass. to the Big 10
Montana to the Big 12
UNR to the PAC 12
New Hampshire to ACC
New Mexico to Big 12
Buffalo to the Big 10
North Dakota State to the Big 12
URI to the ACC
South Dakota State to the Big 12.
Vermont to the ACC like Notre Dame
Wyoming to the Big 12.

The P5 could move schools around like Missouri, Arkansas and LSU from SEC to the Big 12 along with Texas A&M. Nebraska and Iowa to the Big 12.
Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida State, Louisville and NC State to SEC.
UNC, Virginia, Kentucky, Pitt and Vanderbilt to the Big 10.
West Virginia, Cincinnati, UCF, USF, Memphis, Navy, Temple and ECU to ACC.
Houston, Tulane and SMU to Big 12.
Tulsa back to C-USA.
MVFC, Southland, OVC, CAA or Southern gets elevated to G5 as a new G5.
AAC is no more.

UTEP, E. Washington, UTSA, Texas State, Weber State, Dixie State, Idaho, Montana State, UNA, Jacksonville State, Lamar, Sam Houston State and some others could move up.

If more members of the Senate of all 3 parties join together from these states might get traction. We know Texas politicians want to get more Texas schools in the P5, and others would follow suit. This right here could force realignment and ESPN, Fox and others have no say so unless the P5 could make AAC, MWC and MVFC to become a power 8 conference.

Alaska to the MWC
Montana and Montana State to MVFC.
Delaware, UConn, UMass., URI, Maine, Vemont, New Hampshire, Buffalo/Stony Brook, Georgetown to the ACC. Some AAC schools move to Big 12 like UCF, USF, Memphis, Houston, Cincinnati and UTSA to the Big 12. UTEP and E. Washington to MWC.

It just up to how the NCAA and P5 schools figure it out on how to get states without P5 rep get into a conference.

Remember, all states must be involved to be a part of the P5 or P8. The top G5 schools could be torn from their conferences to form a new P6 and P7 conferences using the top FCS schools as well.

Sooner or later we are going to see fiscal conservatism rise from the dead and when that happens, someone having to make hard decisions about money flowing to colleges and universities is going to ask why are taxpayers paying this when the colleges and universities are generating $14 billion per year that is funneled into paying assistant coaches basically $100,000 per game and building luxury locker rooms and hiring people to do nothing but watch some game film and jot down notes.

You have a few coaches earning more than the value of every athletic grant-in-aid awarded by the school.

That's the conversation people don't want, the explaining why the school needs Federal assistance when it generates over $100 million from the athletic auxiliary and turns only a small percentage if any back into the school.

And we have an LSU alum starting a GoFundMe to highlight the university library is in terrible shape while they spend $28 million for a new football facility
https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/...13247.html


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(07-26-2019 04:46 AM)Mestophalies Wrote:  

(07-25-2019 10:41 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-25-2019 01:34 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  AhHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

This being spouted by a US Senator raises it to a whole new level my arse! Most of our US Senators love themselves and some votes and will do almost anything to get self love and votes. They don't give a damn about the NCAA or Amateur Athletes.

This will have absolutely no effect on the NCAA, Amateur Athletics or the Networks behind the Contracts. All this will do is be a temporary talking point to try and grab a few votes from people who've heard enough about politics and have yet to tire of sports.

Orrin Hatch (UT) basically got the BCS amended to make it easier for non-BCS conferences to get in.

The NCAA will not ignore Senators.

As for the other comment about the ACC, note that Utah and Louisville are now in P5 conferences.

Your comments show a certain level of Naivete. The NCAA does what helps the NCAA. UTAH and UofL helped themselves by performed very well and having large numbers of supporters. If all it took was for a Senator or two to complain, UConn would be in the ACC today. Hint for you, they aren't.

Your comments show a total lack of knowledge of history. It was Orrin Hatch's hearings that got the BCS more open to the non-BCS conferences. The NCAA HAS to pay attention to politics. The presidents have to deal with politics all the time with their universities. They aren't going to ignore it with the NCAA.