Sounds like marketing double speak meant to highlight the ACC's TV set advantage and ignore carriage.

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The shows actually sound pretty enticing. I feel like I would get brainwashed if I watch “the class that saved Coach K”. I’m sure it will be a hard core Duke love fest. Let me know when they make a documentary called “The art of the flop: How coach K conned the conference”

Here's more on Swofford's presentation, including him talking about distribution being "a three-year process as contracts expire/renew."
https://accsports.com/acc-news/john-swof...-and-more/

I assume he's talking about the general carrier contracts with ESPN. Eventually, the ACCN contract provisions will just be a part of the larger ESPN contract with carriers but, for now, most of the ACCN contracts will be stand alone contracts because ESPN's general contracts with many carriers aren't up for renewal until later. ESPN will have greater leverage with the carriers when keeping/losing all of ESPN is what's at stake. I think those contract negotiations are coming up over the next three years.

(07-17-2019 10:07 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  Apparently, Swofford didn't announce any new carrier contracts today. However, there's this from the 247 Sports summary of Swofford's presentation:

"Said the new ACC Network, set to launch at 7 p.m. on Aug. 22, will draw the largest population and most TV sets of any conference. The first show will be a two-hour special edition show call "All ACC" that will introduce the on-air talent.

"At 9 p.m. that night, there will be a special on Duke basketball called "The Class that Saved Coach K."

"A few other original programs: Previously announced all-access, four-part series leading up to Clemson's 2019 season; a one-hour special on Louisville's fall camp prep; a special on Bobby Bowden titled the "Bowden Dynasty"; Wes Durham and Mark Packer will host a regular morning show; "ACC Traditions" will be a collaborative show with Raycom and will highlight various conference traditions.

There will be another special show on Clemson Football titled "Greatest Ever: The 2018 Clemson Tigers." It will document Clemson in the Cotton Bowl and National Championship. "
https://247sports.com/college/clemson/Ar...133722701/

What does "draw" the most TV sets mean? Maybe he said or meant to say "draw on."

I will skip all of these and tune in for actual ND games only.

But, Swofford won't care, I guess. He will get my ACC Network money.

None of the suggested programming is compelling at all to me, though.

Neither would be coaches' shows of other teams and classic games, even ND ones. I am not big on watching old games where I know what happened.

I tuned out of ESPN long, long ago for the same reason. I only watch the actual games themselves, not any "talking head" analysis, pre-game shows, coaches shows or halftime/postgame shows, Outside the Lines, 30 for 30 (or whatever its called) or any such non-game programming.

Conversely, I cannot envision a fan of another ACC team actually tuning in and wanting to watch/actually watching any such ND-related programming, either.

But, I know most people are not like me and I hope that they all tune in to these shows and make all ACC schools, including ND, a boatload of money.

Its ok to come out of your bubble once in a while. The world won't end.

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No, but I would be so disinterested and bored that I might want it to.

Its not a "bubble". I don't want to watch such ND related content, either.

Its just that, other than the actual games themselves, this kind of "filler" programming is meaningless to me.

Are you saying that you would love to watch hours of documentaries and insider shows about Notre Dame athletics ??

(07-17-2019 10:59 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  Here's more on Swofford's presentation, including him talking about distribution being "a three-year process as contracts expire/renew."
https://accsports.com/acc-news/john-swof...-and-more/

I assume he's talking about the general carrier contracts with ESPN. Eventually, the ACCN contract provisions will just be a part of the larger ESPN contract with carriers but, for now, most of the ACCN contracts will be stand alone contracts because ESPN's general contracts with many carriers aren't up for renewal until later. ESPN will have greater leverage with the carriers when keeping/losing all of ESPN is what's at stake. I think those contract negotiations are coming up over the next three years.

Absolutely...they've got enough on board now that the network won't fail before the other contracts come through. The worst case scenario is that we have to wait for the other deals to renew. The ACC edition, and really the Disney negotiations overall, have actually been pretty easy and uneventful compared to the past. There's little question that it will be included in any new Disney contracts. I think we're kind of past the "Cable Networks vs. ESPN in a death battle" stage everyone was hyping a few years ago. They need each other and both sides know it.

That said...there is NO QUESTION the hard desire is to be on everywhere by launch. They delayed it to let enough renewals roll through to make that easier. If they didn't care about a delayed rollout, they could have launched a year ago with Alltice and added the others as they came up. They want full(ish) carriage at launch.

And so to some extent, I think this "three year roll up" is posturing. Everyone knows the ACC wants full carriage badly at launch, and I'm sure negotiations reflect that, so Swofford is kind of walking that perception back...

"Hey, if we have to wait for the next contract, that's cool. We could live with that all along. It's going to be added on the next contract, you know that, I know that, and if they want to delay the inevitable by playing hardball, that's fine. We have always been planning a three year process, no problem for us. Meanwhile, our folks will just switch to DirectTV or Vue for a couple years, and you can see if you can try to pull them back in a year or two. Up to you."

They've been pretty open about how badly they want to launch with carriage, so I don't know that anyone is really going to buy that ESPN/ACC is fine walking away.

Getting it added in between contracts was always going to be the challenge. I still lean toward it happening for most before the first Clemson game, but we'll see.

We'll never know, but I would love to know the nuts and bolts of what's actually up for negotiation/concessions about it. It's not really the carriage price, because that's established by now, but I'm sure it's a lot of other things that would be interesting to know and that people rarely think about.

(07-17-2019 11:07 AM)TerryD Wrote:  But, I know most people are not like me and I hope that they all tune in to these shows and make all ACC schools, including ND, a boatload of money.

Count this Cardinal fan as definitely not like you.

I will watch every second of ACC coverage. I've had the $ec and Big networks for a while and turn into those sometimes......wishing I was watching ACC stuff. Hell "off season workout, Prep for this coming season, reviews of coaching staff, etc..... I want to learn more about all our fellow brethren in this awesome conference and this is the perfect way to do that!

(07-17-2019 10:59 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  Here's more on Swofford's presentation, including him talking about distribution being "a three-year process as contracts expire/renew."
https://accsports.com/acc-news/john-swof...-and-more/

I assume he's talking about the general carrier contracts with ESPN. Eventually, the ACCN contract provisions will just be a part of the larger ESPN contract with carriers but, for now, most of the ACCN contracts will be stand alone contracts because ESPN's general contracts with many carriers aren't up for renewal until later. ESPN will have greater leverage with the carriers when keeping/losing all of ESPN is what's at stake. I think those contract negotiations are coming up over the next three years.

Trying to lower expectations isn't what you want the conference commissioner to do a few weeks before launch.

What do you want him to say?

(07-18-2019 08:54 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-17-2019 10:59 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  Here's more on Swofford's presentation, including him talking about distribution being "a three-year process as contracts expire/renew."
https://accsports.com/acc-news/john-swof...-and-more/

I assume he's talking about the general carrier contracts with ESPN. Eventually, the ACCN contract provisions will just be a part of the larger ESPN contract with carriers but, for now, most of the ACCN contracts will be stand alone contracts because ESPN's general contracts with many carriers aren't up for renewal until later. ESPN will have greater leverage with the carriers when keeping/losing all of ESPN is what's at stake. I think those contract negotiations are coming up over the next three years.

Trying to lower expectations isn't what you want the conference commissioner to do a few weeks before launch.

The ACC ALWAYS sandbags. Always

(07-18-2019 12:08 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(07-18-2019 08:54 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-17-2019 10:59 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  Here's more on Swofford's presentation, including him talking about distribution being "a three-year process as contracts expire/renew."
https://accsports.com/acc-news/john-swof...-and-more/

I assume he's talking about the general carrier contracts with ESPN. Eventually, the ACCN contract provisions will just be a part of the larger ESPN contract with carriers but, for now, most of the ACCN contracts will be stand alone contracts because ESPN's general contracts with many carriers aren't up for renewal until later. ESPN will have greater leverage with the carriers when keeping/losing all of ESPN is what's at stake. I think those contract negotiations are coming up over the next three years.

Trying to lower expectations isn't what you want the conference commissioner to do a few weeks before launch.

The ACC ALWAYS sandbags. Always

I wouldn't agree that they always sandbag but they have been extremely secretive with Swofford in charge. Extremely. Apparently the ADs like it like that since they too have become extremely secretive about conference business.

(07-18-2019 12:12 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(07-18-2019 12:08 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(07-18-2019 08:54 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-17-2019 10:59 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  Here's more on Swofford's presentation, including him talking about distribution being "a three-year process as contracts expire/renew."
https://accsports.com/acc-news/john-swof...-and-more/

I assume he's talking about the general carrier contracts with ESPN. Eventually, the ACCN contract provisions will just be a part of the larger ESPN contract with carriers but, for now, most of the ACCN contracts will be stand alone contracts because ESPN's general contracts with many carriers aren't up for renewal until later. ESPN will have greater leverage with the carriers when keeping/losing all of ESPN is what's at stake. I think those contract negotiations are coming up over the next three years.

Trying to lower expectations isn't what you want the conference commissioner to do a few weeks before launch.

The ACC ALWAYS sandbags. Always

I wouldn't agree that they always sandbag but they have been extremely secretive with Swofford in charge. Extremely. Apparently the ADs like it like that since they too have become extremely secretive about conference business.

You think they were less secretive with Gene Corrigan? The AD's are errand boys to the Presidents and Chancellors. I don't remember Bob James being that open either. There is more media to ask stupid questions and to ask the same question over and over again so I disagree, to me the ACC remains as secretive as ever.

By the way can we count on Duke to vote in another Carolina grad and ad as Commissioner?

(07-18-2019 12:22 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(07-18-2019 12:12 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(07-18-2019 12:08 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(07-18-2019 08:54 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-17-2019 10:59 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  Here's more on Swofford's presentation, including him talking about distribution being "a three-year process as contracts expire/renew."
https://accsports.com/acc-news/john-swof...-and-more/

I assume he's talking about the general carrier contracts with ESPN. Eventually, the ACCN contract provisions will just be a part of the larger ESPN contract with carriers but, for now, most of the ACCN contracts will be stand alone contracts because ESPN's general contracts with many carriers aren't up for renewal until later. ESPN will have greater leverage with the carriers when keeping/losing all of ESPN is what's at stake. I think those contract negotiations are coming up over the next three years.

Trying to lower expectations isn't what you want the conference commissioner to do a few weeks before launch.

The ACC ALWAYS sandbags. Always

I wouldn't agree that they always sandbag but they have been extremely secretive with Swofford in charge. Extremely. Apparently the ADs like it like that since they too have become extremely secretive about conference business.

You think they were less secretive with Gene Corrigan? The AD's are errand boys to the Presidents and Chancellors. I don't remember Bob James being that open either. There is more media to ask stupid questions and to ask the same question over and over again so I disagree, to me the ACC remains as secretive as ever.

By the way can we count on Duke to vote in another Carolina grad and ad as Commissioner?

I can't imagine Duke or anybody else voting for Bubba Cunningham to be ACC Commissioner.

(07-18-2019 12:08 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(07-18-2019 08:54 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-17-2019 10:59 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  Here's more on Swofford's presentation, including him talking about distribution being "a three-year process as contracts expire/renew."
https://accsports.com/acc-news/john-swof...-and-more/

I assume he's talking about the general carrier contracts with ESPN. Eventually, the ACCN contract provisions will just be a part of the larger ESPN contract with carriers but, for now, most of the ACCN contracts will be stand alone contracts because ESPN's general contracts with many carriers aren't up for renewal until later. ESPN will have greater leverage with the carriers when keeping/losing all of ESPN is what's at stake. I think those contract negotiations are coming up over the next three years.

Trying to lower expectations isn't what you want the conference commissioner to do a few weeks before launch.

The ACC ALWAYS sandbags. Always

I agree with this. Always sandbagging.

And they've been secretive as long as I can remember. By design, and I also think the ACC has a different type of fan base/booster culture than the other conferences, which makes it easier to operate in such secrecy.

(07-18-2019 05:00 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  

(07-18-2019 12:08 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(07-18-2019 08:54 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-17-2019 10:59 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  Here's more on Swofford's presentation, including him talking about distribution being "a three-year process as contracts expire/renew."
https://accsports.com/acc-news/john-swof...-and-more/

I assume he's talking about the general carrier contracts with ESPN. Eventually, the ACCN contract provisions will just be a part of the larger ESPN contract with carriers but, for now, most of the ACCN contracts will be stand alone contracts because ESPN's general contracts with many carriers aren't up for renewal until later. ESPN will have greater leverage with the carriers when keeping/losing all of ESPN is what's at stake. I think those contract negotiations are coming up over the next three years.

Trying to lower expectations isn't what you want the conference commissioner to do a few weeks before launch.

The ACC ALWAYS sandbags. Always

I agree with this. Always sandbagging.

And they've been secretive as long as I can remember. By design, and I also think the ACC has a different type of fan base/booster culture than the other conferences, which makes it easier to operate in such secrecy.

Paternalistic, southern Tidewater culture. Otherwise known as the Cotillion Club or elitist model. It matches what has been delineated many times in recent essays, and research.

From the Chronicle of Higher Education:

https://www.chronicle.com/article/The-11...res/132391

Tidewater: Built by the younger sons of southern English gentry, it was meant to reproduce the semifeudal manorial society of the countryside they'd left behind, where economic, political, and social affairs were run by and for landed aristocrats. Tidewater has always been fundamentally conservative, with great value placed on respect for authority and tradition, and very little on equality or public participation in politics. The most powerful region in the 17th and 18th centuries, today it is in decline, having been boxed out of westward expansion by its boisterous Appalachian neighbors and, more recently, eaten away by the expanding Midlands.

Duke, UNC, UVa, MD, and WF were all born of this culture. VT and NC State have always been made subservient to this culture.

(07-18-2019 06:39 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(07-18-2019 05:00 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  

(07-18-2019 12:08 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(07-18-2019 08:54 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-17-2019 10:59 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  Here's more on Swofford's presentation, including him talking about distribution being "a three-year process as contracts expire/renew."
https://accsports.com/acc-news/john-swof...-and-more/

I assume he's talking about the general carrier contracts with ESPN. Eventually, the ACCN contract provisions will just be a part of the larger ESPN contract with carriers but, for now, most of the ACCN contracts will be stand alone contracts because ESPN's general contracts with many carriers aren't up for renewal until later. ESPN will have greater leverage with the carriers when keeping/losing all of ESPN is what's at stake. I think those contract negotiations are coming up over the next three years.

Trying to lower expectations isn't what you want the conference commissioner to do a few weeks before launch.

The ACC ALWAYS sandbags. Always

I agree with this. Always sandbagging.

And they've been secretive as long as I can remember. By design, and I also think the ACC has a different type of fan base/booster culture than the other conferences, which makes it easier to operate in such secrecy.

Paternalistic, southern Tidewater culture. Otherwise known as the Cotillion Club or elitist model. It matches what has been delineated many times in recent essays, and research.

From the Chronicle of Higher Education:

https://www.chronicle.com/article/The-11...res/132391

Tidewater: Built by the younger sons of southern English gentry, it was meant to reproduce the semifeudal manorial society of the countryside they'd left behind, where economic, political, and social affairs were run by and for landed aristocrats. Tidewater has always been fundamentally conservative, with great value placed on respect for authority and tradition, and very little on equality or public participation in politics. The most powerful region in the 17th and 18th centuries, today it is in decline, having been boxed out of westward expansion by its boisterous Appalachian neighbors and, more recently, eaten away by the expanding Midlands.

Duke, UNC, UVa, MD, and WF were all born of this culture. VT and NC State have always been made subservient to this culture.

I barely understand how you mix MD in this. Mixing in Duke and WFU is bizarre.

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