(07-16-2019 08:59 AM)Starfox207 Wrote:  Man, outside of the walls of this conference board, there is absolute hatred of us, our schools, and our conference. But, I think I am beginning to see it.

Honestly, We need a wartime consigliere...not a media Tool. My stance on Aresco I think officially changed. I guess..Ijoined the Aresco HAter Club.

I am not sure if even Genco Abbandando could have helped. As someone else mentioned, the P5 schools don't want to play G5 teams in a bowl. There's nothing to gain from it from their perspective. They have systematically cornered the market on the highest paying and most prestigious bowls.

(07-16-2019 08:47 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(07-16-2019 07:58 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  So, we didn't get the Independence Bowl? I thought that was a lock...

I'd say it is still in the works. IIRC, I don't think any conference has announced formally they are aligned with it. I bet the AAC has a play still to be announced. Aresco had to announce the known for the annual meetings.

I like the idea of a bowl game between the #2 and #3 power rated G5 schools annually in the Indy Bowl. The #1 team goes to the NY6 and these two battle it out with a good post XMas TV slot.

If that's the case, then I don't see the AAC being involved. Can't imagine a non CFP qualifying champ/division winner passing on playing a P5 in favor of a G5. Certainly hasn't been the case up til now. When you get to 3+ place finishers, geography comes into play. Would think it would work for West teams, but East teams will have better destinations if not opponents to choose from. With no P5 tie, doubt it remains a post Christmas date...that is if ESPN is still involved.

(07-16-2019 08:56 AM)pesik Wrote:  omg "its a worse bowl line up"

*looks* ..its the exact same lineup with 1 p5 addition...

Only if you don’t know the difference between an annual tie and a rotating tie or the difference between an in footprint bowl and an out of footprint bowl.

i dont get the hyper whining...we are aware on the average year we only have about 6 bowl team?

annual selection
Military Bowl (Annapolis, Maryland) vs the acc
Lockheed Martin Armed Forces Bowl (Fort Worth, Texas) vs the big 12/SoFi Hawaii Bowl (Honolulu, Hawaii) vs likely byu – alternating years
Bowl game to be named – (Boston, Massachusetts) vs acc

Four Selections Annually From the Following (our choice of the best opponents)
Birmingham Bowl (Birmingham, Alabama) vs sec
Bad Boy Mowers Gasparilla Bowl (Tampa, Florida) vs acc
SERVPRO First Responder Bowl (Dallas, Texas) vs acc
Frisco Bowl (Frisco, Texas) vs any atlarge
Cheribundi Boca Raton Bowl (Boca Raton, Florida) vs g4
AutoNation Cure Bowl (Orlando, Florida) vs g4
Myrtle Beach Bowl (Myrtle Beach, South Carolina) vs g4
New Mexico Bowl (Albuquerque, New Mexico) vs unknown, likely g4

we have acces to the NY6 vs p5 top 10 team

100% of every year, we have also traded bowls with others to get better bowls ... ie. we have played in the Independence bowl and las vegas bowl with no tie ins

(07-16-2019 09:05 AM)mlb Wrote:  Not enough schools travel in this conference. That's why you get ****** bowl tie ins. It is as simple as that.

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I think that matters a lot, but more than that, ALL the bowls want 6-6 P5 teams over any of our schools. And the bowls, the P5 and ESPN make all the decisions.

Anybody who thinks Aresco or anybody else outside that cabal makes the decisions, just isn't thinking it through. To me, it's a miracle the non-P5 kept the NY6 slot (thanks solely to Aresco).

I agree our bowls got worse, but they are all lesser bowls no matter the mix, so who cares? All I care about is a bowl for my team, and the NY6 slot if we win the American.

(07-16-2019 09:13 AM)pesik Wrote:  i dont get the hyper whining...we are aware on the average year we only have about 6 bowl team?

Military Bowl (Annapolis, Maryland) vs the acc
Lockheed Martin Armed Forces Bowl (Fort Worth, Texas) vs the big 12/SoFi Hawaii Bowl (Honolulu, Hawaii) vs likely byu – alternating years
Bowl game to be named – (Boston, Massachusetts) vs acc

Four Selections Annually From the Following (our choice of the best opponents)
Birmingham Bowl (Birmingham, Alabama) vs sec
Bad Boy Mowers Gasparilla Bowl (Tampa, Florida) vs acc
SERVPRO First Responder Bowl (Dallas, Texas) vs acc
Frisco Bowl (Frisco, Texas) vs any atlarge
Cheribundi Boca Raton Bowl (Boca Raton, Florida) vs g4
AutoNation Cure Bowl (Orlando, Florida) vs g4
Myrtle Beach Bowl (Myrtle Beach, South Carolina) vs g4
New Mexico Bowl (Albuquerque, New Mexico) vs unknown, likely g4

we have acces to the NY6 vs p5 top 10 team

100% of every year, we have also traded bowls with other to get better bowls ... ie. we have played i the Independence bowl and las vegas bowl with no tie ins

That’s Only true of Vegas. We had a backup tie to the Indy. There is zero issue with the number of bowls. That’s called a straw man argument. Also, where exactly does it say “our choice”? It’s clearly a multi-conference pool that will largely be set by ESPN—-we will probably get to express preferences—but we are going to do an equal rotation at all those garbage bowls. That’s how pools work.

Looks about the same to me. We’re still going to be in Birmingham and gasparilla and we’ve added Boston.

Outside of the NY6, I couldn’t care less about the bowl games.

(07-16-2019 09:13 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-16-2019 08:56 AM)pesik Wrote:  omg "its a worse bowl line up"

*looks* ..its the exact same lineup with 1 p5 addition...

Only if you don’t know the difference between an annual tie and a rotating tie or the difference between an in footprint bowl and an out of footprint bowl.

we have 1 rotating tie-in and we had it in the last cycle....

explain why its worse..because its undeniably better....

you can say its not vastly improved, but how is it worse?

(07-16-2019 09:15 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(07-16-2019 09:05 AM)mlb Wrote:  Not enough schools travel in this conference. That's why you get ****** bowl tie ins. It is as simple as that.

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I think that matters a lot, but more than that, ALL the bowls want 6-6 P5 teams over any of our schools. And the bowls, the P5 and ESPN make all the decisions.

Anybody who thinks Aresco or anybody else outside that cabal makes the decisions, just isn't thinking it through. To me, it's a miracle the non-P5 kept the NY6 slot (thanks solely to Aresco).

I agree our bowls got worse, but they are all lesser bowls no matter the mix, so who cares? All I care about is a bowl for my team, and the NY6 slot if we win the American.

While I largely agree—even I—who had very limited bowl expectations for this cycle—-think Aresco dropped the ball badly. Whiffed on NOLA, screwed the West Division again—blew a lay up vs the Big10—and in exchange only got a slate of trash bowls that were always going to be there no matter what he did. His only success this round was Fenway—and that’s completely offset by losing annual ties to in footprint P5 bowls in St Pete and Birmingham.

The only way this is a win is IF we get first selection from the pool as Pesci suggests—which is a totally unsupported claim at this point and would be uncharacteristic of any pool I’ve ever seen.

Temple and Navy come out happy here. Everyone else.....not so much.

(07-16-2019 09:15 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(07-16-2019 09:05 AM)mlb Wrote:  Not enough schools travel in this conference. That's why you get ****** bowl tie ins. It is as simple as that.

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I think that matters a lot, but more than that, ALL the bowls want 6-6 P5 teams over any of our schools. And the bowls, the P5 and ESPN make all the decisions.

Anybody who thinks Aresco or anybody else outside that cabal makes the decisions, just isn't thinking it through. To me, it's a miracle the non-P5 kept the NY6 slot (thanks solely to Aresco).

I agree our bowls got worse, but they are all lesser bowls no matter the mix, so who cares? All I care about is a bowl for my team, and the NY6 slot if we win the American.

Most of the 6-6 P5 schools travel better than 90% of the G5s. In this conference probably better than all except Navy, UC, UCF, Memphis and possibly Houston.

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It’s slightly better. I see 4-5 P6 bowls annually. Tell me how I’m wrong. We’re not going to fill New Mexico prior to Birmingham, Tampa, and first responders.

(07-16-2019 09:28 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-16-2019 09:15 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(07-16-2019 09:05 AM)mlb Wrote:  Not enough schools travel in this conference. That's why you get ****** bowl tie ins. It is as simple as that.

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I think that matters a lot, but more than that, ALL the bowls want 6-6 P5 teams over any of our schools. And the bowls, the P5 and ESPN make all the decisions.

Anybody who thinks Aresco or anybody else outside that cabal makes the decisions, just isn't thinking it through. To me, it's a miracle the non-P5 kept the NY6 slot (thanks solely to Aresco).

I agree our bowls got worse, but they are all lesser bowls no matter the mix, so who cares? All I care about is a bowl for my team, and the NY6 slot if we win the American.

While I largely agree—even I—who had very limited bowl expectations for this cycle—-think Aresco dropped the ball badly. Whiffed on NOLA, screwed the West Division again—blew a lay up vs the Big10—and only got a slate of trash bowls that were always going to be there no matter what he did.

how did he screw the west division? you keep saying this but im not sure how

also what layup from the big 10? do you mean acc with Independence? ...the pac12 said they wouldnt commit to the independce unless they had another p5

and that was only 4 days ago..even if aresco had some kind of magic and talked the pac 12 into staying.....it would not have been resolved and signed by this day

(07-16-2019 09:17 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Looks about the same to me. We’re still going to be in Birmingham and gasparilla and we’ve added Boston.

I don't think that can be assumed. It really depends on who else is involved in the pool. B'ham will work with Gasp. to select teams and we know the AAC 10th pick can go to one of B'ham/Gasp/First Responders.

Did u hear that noise? It was our captain Mikey Aresco depositing his $50k weekly salary check. Make that money Mikey!

(07-16-2019 09:28 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-16-2019 09:15 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(07-16-2019 09:05 AM)mlb Wrote:  Not enough schools travel in this conference. That's why you get ****** bowl tie ins. It is as simple as that.

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I think that matters a lot, but more than that, ALL the bowls want 6-6 P5 teams over any of our schools. And the bowls, the P5 and ESPN make all the decisions.

Anybody who thinks Aresco or anybody else outside that cabal makes the decisions, just isn't thinking it through. To me, it's a miracle the non-P5 kept the NY6 slot (thanks solely to Aresco).

I agree our bowls got worse, but they are all lesser bowls no matter the mix, so who cares? All I care about is a bowl for my team, and the NY6 slot if we win the American.

While I largely agree—even I—who had very limited bowl expectations for this cycle—-think Aresco dropped the ball badly. Whiffed on NOLA, screwed the West Division again—blew a lay up vs the Big10—and in exchange only got a slate of trash bowls that were always going to be there no matter what he did. His only success this round was Fenway—and that’s completely offset by losing annual ties to in footprint P5 bowls in St Pete and Birmingham.

The only way this is a win is IF we get first selection from the pool as Pesci suggests—which is a totally unsupported claim at this point and would be uncharacteristic of any pool I’ve ever seen.

But you're agonizing over scraps, and who says Aresco made those decisions you don't like? I just think the indignation over a few tweaks in a lesser bowl schedule is understandable, but futile.

The only real measuring stick is, did we do better than all the G4 conferences? NOT if we went up and down with our own deals. Those are the only conferences we have leverage against. If they got better deals than we did, then yeah, Aresco "screwed up." Otherwise, I don't see it.

(07-16-2019 09:36 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

(07-16-2019 09:17 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Looks about the same to me. We’re still going to be in Birmingham and gasparilla and we’ve added Boston.

I don't think that can be assumed. It really depends on who else is involved in the pool. B'ham will work with Gasp. to select teams and we know the AAC 10th pick can go to one of B'ham/Gasp/First Responders.

its not a pool like that...we are primary partners with all those bowls...the announcements said we renewed contracts with them

we decided what we want till all our teams ae taken and then lower g4 will can choose which ones they want

we choose who we want to send,

(07-16-2019 09:19 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-16-2019 09:13 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-16-2019 08:56 AM)pesik Wrote:  omg "its a worse bowl line up"

*looks* ..its the exact same lineup with 1 p5 addition...

Only if you don’t know the difference between an annual tie and a rotating tie or the difference between an in footprint bowl and an out of footprint bowl.

we have 1 rotating tie-in and we had it in the last cycle....

explain why its worse..because its undeniably better....

you can say its not vastly improved, but how is it worse?

Birmingham was a full tie to a P5 bowl

St Pete was a full tie to a bowl with a partial P5 tie.

Military was a full tie to a P5 bowl

None of our P5 bowls were out of footprint.

We had only one G5 vs G5 out of footprint bowl—a partial Hawaii tie.

We now have 2 out of footprint g5 vs g5 bowls. I’m surprised we didn’t just grab the potato bowl while we were at it,

In addition to how it’s worse—it’s amazing the low hanging fruit we missed. We whiffed on NOLA (New Mexico we want—but not NOLA—really?). We blew a lay up for an annual game vs the Big10. We kept the lowest paying bowl in FBS. Blew an easy layup on the “in footprint” I-bowl. Those were three incredibly easy wide open opportunities for incremental (even significant) improvement. Very disappointing. For 1.8 million a year—it’s borderline incompetent. A potted plant could have landed the same line up,

How is this worse? Its the same as before.