https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/n...702404001/

Great article!

I contend that William Bedford is the most talented big man we have ever had.

I know Larry Kenon was awesome. I know Keith Lee was brilliant. I believe James Wiseman may make me rethink my ranking. But for sheer size, athleticism, and skill, Bedford was the best.

(07-16-2019 08:37 AM)tiger86 Wrote:  https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/n...702404001/

Great article!

I contend that William Bedford is the most talented big man we have ever had.

I know Larry Kenon was awesome. I know Keith Lee was brilliant. I believe James Wiseman may make me rethink my ranking. But for sheer size, athleticism, and skill, Bedford was the best.

I posted that he was the most skilled big man we’ve ever had a couple of months ago. From multiple NBA scouts. He was all drugs and women here and we saw him at 60%. He could have been a generational player. Outplayed Akeem O. In the NCAA tournament when he did decide to play

At 7’, he ran the floor like a gazelle...Had great hands... could shoot the midrange jumper and coukd play with his back to the bucket. Bedford, for that period, was a uniquely talented big man. The fact he let drugs, women, etc derail his career is an absolute shame.

(07-16-2019 08:37 AM)tiger86 Wrote:  https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/n...702404001/

Great article!

I contend that William Bedford is the most talented big man we have ever had.

I know Larry Kenon was awesome. I know Keith Lee was brilliant. I believe James Wiseman may make me rethink my ranking. But for sheer size, athleticism, and skill, Bedford was the best.

Surely you jest. You are merging someones athleticism with basketball skill. Kenon and Lee displayed much more basketball skill than Bedford.

(07-16-2019 10:23 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(07-16-2019 08:37 AM)tiger86 Wrote:  https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/n...702404001/

Great article!

I contend that William Bedford is the most talented big man we have ever had.

I know Larry Kenon was awesome. I know Keith Lee was brilliant. I believe James Wiseman may make me rethink my ranking. But for sheer size, athleticism, and skill, Bedford was the best.

Surely you jest. You are merging someones athleticism with basketball skill. Kenon and Lee displayed much more basketball skill than Bedford.

Career field goal %
Rk Pct. Name Years
1. .635 Will Coleman (198-312) 2009-11
2. .627 D.J. Stephens (207-330) 2009-13
3. .614 Joey Dorsey (400-651) 2004-08
4. .600 Tarik Black (369-615) 2010-13
5. .582 Chris Massie (279-479) 2001-03
6. .577 Ronnie Robinson (464-804) 1970-73
7. .567 Marion Hilliard (386-681) 1974-76
.567 William Bedford (514-907) 1983-86
9. .565 Michael Wilson (208-368) 1994-96
10. .563 Derek Phillips (271-481) 1979-84

I don't see Keith Lee or Larry Kenon's name on the this list. Shooting the basketball is a SKILL.

I will say that I had forgotten how freaking good Ronnie Robinson was. He was a double/double machine. 48 in his 3 year career. Keith Lee had 74 in his 4 year career, Larry Kenon had 25 (1 ONE year), and Bedford had 21 in his 3 year career. For comparison, Penny had 17 in his 2 years.

Tomato, Tomatoe.

(07-16-2019 11:30 AM)tiger86 Wrote:  

(07-16-2019 10:23 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(07-16-2019 08:37 AM)tiger86 Wrote:  https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/n...702404001/

Great article!

I contend that William Bedford is the most talented big man we have ever had.

I know Larry Kenon was awesome. I know Keith Lee was brilliant. I believe James Wiseman may make me rethink my ranking. But for sheer size, athleticism, and skill, Bedford was the best.

Surely you jest. You are merging someones athleticism with basketball skill. Kenon and Lee displayed much more basketball skill than Bedford.

Career field goal %
Rk Pct. Name Years
1. .635 Will Coleman (198-312) 2009-11
2. .627 D.J. Stephens (207-330) 2009-13
3. .614 Joey Dorsey (400-651) 2004-08
4. .600 Tarik Black (369-615) 2010-13
5. .582 Chris Massie (279-479) 2001-03
6. .577 Ronnie Robinson (464-804) 1970-73
7. .567 Marion Hilliard (386-681) 1974-76
.567 William Bedford (514-907) 1983-86
9. .565 Michael Wilson (208-368) 1994-96
10. .563 Derek Phillips (271-481) 1979-84

I don't see Keith Lee or Larry Kenon's name on the this list. Shooting the basketball is a SKILL.

I will say that I had forgotten how freaking good Ronnie Robinson was. He was a double/double machine. 48 in his 3 year career. Keith Lee had 74 in his 4 year career, Larry Kenon had 25 (1 ONE year), and Bedford had 21 in his 3 year career. For comparison, Penny had 17 in his 2 years.

Tomato, Tomatoe.

Most of those guys are on the list because a very high percentage of their shots were dunks (certainly the top 4).

(07-16-2019 12:04 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(07-16-2019 11:30 AM)tiger86 Wrote:  

(07-16-2019 10:23 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(07-16-2019 08:37 AM)tiger86 Wrote:  https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/n...702404001/

Great article!

I contend that William Bedford is the most talented big man we have ever had.

I know Larry Kenon was awesome. I know Keith Lee was brilliant. I believe James Wiseman may make me rethink my ranking. But for sheer size, athleticism, and skill, Bedford was the best.

Surely you jest. You are merging someones athleticism with basketball skill. Kenon and Lee displayed much more basketball skill than Bedford.

Career field goal %
Rk Pct. Name Years
1. .635 Will Coleman (198-312) 2009-11
2. .627 D.J. Stephens (207-330) 2009-13
3. .614 Joey Dorsey (400-651) 2004-08
4. .600 Tarik Black (369-615) 2010-13
5. .582 Chris Massie (279-479) 2001-03
6. .577 Ronnie Robinson (464-804) 1970-73
7. .567 Marion Hilliard (386-681) 1974-76
.567 William Bedford (514-907) 1983-86
9. .565 Michael Wilson (208-368) 1994-96
10. .563 Derek Phillips (271-481) 1979-84

I don't see Keith Lee or Larry Kenon's name on the this list. Shooting the basketball is a SKILL.

I will say that I had forgotten how freaking good Ronnie Robinson was. He was a double/double machine. 48 in his 3 year career. Keith Lee had 74 in his 4 year career, Larry Kenon had 25 (1 ONE year), and Bedford had 21 in his 3 year career. For comparison, Penny had 17 in his 2 years.

Tomato, Tomatoe.

Most of those guys are on the list because a very high percentage of their shots were dunks (certainly the top 4).

that and they weren't higher volume shooters / scorers like Lee and Kenon

(07-16-2019 12:04 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(07-16-2019 11:30 AM)tiger86 Wrote:  

(07-16-2019 10:23 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(07-16-2019 08:37 AM)tiger86 Wrote:  https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/n...702404001/

Great article!

I contend that William Bedford is the most talented big man we have ever had.

I know Larry Kenon was awesome. I know Keith Lee was brilliant. I believe James Wiseman may make me rethink my ranking. But for sheer size, athleticism, and skill, Bedford was the best.

Surely you jest. You are merging someones athleticism with basketball skill. Kenon and Lee displayed much more basketball skill than Bedford.

Career field goal %
Rk Pct. Name Years
1. .635 Will Coleman (198-312) 2009-11
2. .627 D.J. Stephens (207-330) 2009-13
3. .614 Joey Dorsey (400-651) 2004-08
4. .600 Tarik Black (369-615) 2010-13
5. .582 Chris Massie (279-479) 2001-03
6. .577 Ronnie Robinson (464-804) 1970-73
7. .567 Marion Hilliard (386-681) 1974-76
.567 William Bedford (514-907) 1983-86
9. .565 Michael Wilson (208-368) 1994-96
10. .563 Derek Phillips (271-481) 1979-84

I don't see Keith Lee or Larry Kenon's name on the this list. Shooting the basketball is a SKILL.

I will say that I had forgotten how freaking good Ronnie Robinson was. He was a double/double machine. 48 in his 3 year career. Keith Lee had 74 in his 4 year career, Larry Kenon had 25 (1 ONE year), and Bedford had 21 in his 3 year career. For comparison, Penny had 17 in his 2 years.

Tomato, Tomatoe.

Most of those guys are on the list because a very high percentage of their shots were dunks (certainly the top 4).

How dare you. Everyone knows DJ Stephens was the greatest, most skilled player ever in the history of forever.....

That name alone at the top of the list should have stopped that poster from continuing...

(07-16-2019 11:30 AM)tiger86 Wrote:  

(07-16-2019 10:23 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(07-16-2019 08:37 AM)tiger86 Wrote:  https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/n...702404001/

Great article!

I contend that William Bedford is the most talented big man we have ever had.

I know Larry Kenon was awesome. I know Keith Lee was brilliant. I believe James Wiseman may make me rethink my ranking. But for sheer size, athleticism, and skill, Bedford was the best.

Surely you jest. You are merging someones athleticism with basketball skill. Kenon and Lee displayed much more basketball skill than Bedford.

Career field goal %
Rk Pct. Name Years
1. .635 Will Coleman (198-312) 2009-11
2. .627 D.J. Stephens (207-330) 2009-13
3. .614 Joey Dorsey (400-651) 2004-08
4. .600 Tarik Black (369-615) 2010-13
5. .582 Chris Massie (279-479) 2001-03
6. .577 Ronnie Robinson (464-804) 1970-73
7. .567 Marion Hilliard (386-681) 1974-76
.567 William Bedford (514-907) 1983-86
9. .565 Michael Wilson (208-368) 1994-96
10. .563 Derek Phillips (271-481) 1979-84

I don't see Keith Lee or Larry Kenon's name on the this list. Shooting the basketball is a SKILL.

I will say that I had forgotten how freaking good Ronnie Robinson was. He was a double/double machine. 48 in his 3 year career. Keith Lee had 74 in his 4 year career, Larry Kenon had 25 (1 ONE year), and Bedford had 21 in his 3 year career. For comparison, Penny had 17 in his 2 years.

Tomato, Tomatoe.

Joey Dorsey couldn't shoot the ball. Hell he could barely execute any sort of post move without a turnover. He could catch an oop though. Some of the rest of the top 5 might have had better skill in the post, but the only one of them that made jump shots was Stephens, and he was not great at it, and hardly did it with any sort of volume. I don't really recall Wilson taking a bunch of jump shots either (I never saw any of the rest of those guys play, but I'm going to guess they weren't jump shooters either).

William Bedford was a classic underachiever... which is why this is such a sad, sad story. Larry Kenon wasn’t... Keith Lee wasn’t. Bedford’s limitations were strictly of his own making... leaving everyone to wonder, what if?

(07-16-2019 12:04 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(07-16-2019 11:30 AM)tiger86 Wrote:  

(07-16-2019 10:23 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(07-16-2019 08:37 AM)tiger86 Wrote:  https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/n...702404001/

Great article!

I contend that William Bedford is the most talented big man we have ever had.

I know Larry Kenon was awesome. I know Keith Lee was brilliant. I believe James Wiseman may make me rethink my ranking. But for sheer size, athleticism, and skill, Bedford was the best.

Surely you jest. You are merging someones athleticism with basketball skill. Kenon and Lee displayed much more basketball skill than Bedford.

Career field goal %
Rk Pct. Name Years
1. .635 Will Coleman (198-312) 2009-11
2. .627 D.J. Stephens (207-330) 2009-13
3. .614 Joey Dorsey (400-651) 2004-08
4. .600 Tarik Black (369-615) 2010-13
5. .582 Chris Massie (279-479) 2001-03
6. .577 Ronnie Robinson (464-804) 1970-73
7. .567 Marion Hilliard (386-681) 1974-76
.567 William Bedford (514-907) 1983-86
9. .565 Michael Wilson (208-368) 1994-96
10. .563 Derek Phillips (271-481) 1979-84

I don't see Keith Lee or Larry Kenon's name on the this list. Shooting the basketball is a SKILL.

I will say that I had forgotten how freaking good Ronnie Robinson was. He was a double/double machine. 48 in his 3 year career. Keith Lee had 74 in his 4 year career, Larry Kenon had 25 (1 ONE year), and Bedford had 21 in his 3 year career. For comparison, Penny had 17 in his 2 years.

Tomato, Tomatoe.

Most of those guys are on the list because a very high percentage of their shots were dunks (certainly the top 4).

Agreed, just like Lee and Kenon (Kenon couldn't dunk because it was illegal, but a 2 ft bunny instead). I know Keith could shoot from distance but when we needed a basket, he was posted up, just like all the rest on the list, because duh, it is a higher % shot.

The fact is Bedford made a higher % than either one, and that requires skill, which was the original point.

(07-16-2019 09:51 AM)WiseMan Wrote:  

(07-16-2019 08:37 AM)tiger86 Wrote:  https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/n...702404001/

Great article!

I contend that William Bedford is the most talented big man we have ever had.

I know Larry Kenon was awesome. I know Keith Lee was brilliant. I believe James Wiseman may make me rethink my ranking. But for sheer size, athleticism, and skill, Bedford was the best.

I posted that he was the most skilled big man we’ve ever had a couple of months ago. From multiple NBA scouts. He was all drugs and women here and we saw him at 60%. He could have been a generational player. Outplayed Akeem O. In the NCAA tournament when he did decide to play

He was as smooth as silk

I don't see how anyone could ever argue Keith Lee was not the most skilled tiger big man ever. Some were more athletic and more explosive, but Lee was as skilled as it gets. He filled the state sheet and was a 6-10 version of CDR scoring the ball. (6-11 with the hair)

He was actually a better FT shooter than CDR.

imagine how good he could have been if he had liked basketball....

(07-16-2019 11:30 AM)tiger86 Wrote:  

(07-16-2019 10:23 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(07-16-2019 08:37 AM)tiger86 Wrote:  https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/n...702404001/

Great article!

I contend that William Bedford is the most talented big man we have ever had.

I know Larry Kenon was awesome. I know Keith Lee was brilliant. I believe James Wiseman may make me rethink my ranking. But for sheer size, athleticism, and skill, Bedford was the best.

Surely you jest. You are merging someones athleticism with basketball skill. Kenon and Lee displayed much more basketball skill than Bedford.

Career field goal %
Rk Pct. Name Years
1. .635 Will Coleman (198-312) 2009-11
2. .627 D.J. Stephens (207-330) 2009-13
3. .614 Joey Dorsey (400-651) 2004-08
4. .600 Tarik Black (369-615) 2010-13
5. .582 Chris Massie (279-479) 2001-03
6. .577 Ronnie Robinson (464-804) 1970-73
7. .567 Marion Hilliard (386-681) 1974-76
.567 William Bedford (514-907) 1983-86
9. .565 Michael Wilson (208-368) 1994-96
10. .563 Derek Phillips (271-481) 1979-84

I don't see Keith Lee or Larry Kenon's name on the this list. Shooting the basketball is a SKILL.

I will say that I had forgotten how freaking good Ronnie Robinson was. He was a double/double machine. 48 in his 3 year career. Keith Lee had 74 in his 4 year career, Larry Kenon had 25 (1 ONE year), and Bedford had 21 in his 3 year career. For comparison, Penny had 17 in his 2 years.

Tomato, Tomatoe.

Nutts. Regarding accomplishments on the basketball court, both individually and what they contributed to their team, Bedford is not in the same conversation as Keith Lee, or Larry Kennon. Bedford never progressed beyond 'good' with the chance to become "great". Lee and Kennon were "Great" and were major reasons their teams almost climbed the mountain.

I hope Bedford can find a life that is all self centered. He wants to start a the director of a community center! He needs to take his own advice and humble himself. He might make a decent director of a community center, but not until he can demonstrate he is a dedicated and productive member of a community center staff. I hope he is growing and that he does find a satisfying and fruitful profession, but this statement tells me he still thinks he can do things just because he is tall, and not because he did the work.

Kenon averaged 20 and 16 his one year. That he was able to put up those numbers while playing with one of our greatest scorers in Larry Finch and one our greatest rebounders in Ronnie Robinson should tell you how great he really was.

And dunking wasn't allowed then.

(07-16-2019 02:34 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(07-16-2019 11:30 AM)tiger86 Wrote:  

(07-16-2019 10:23 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(07-16-2019 08:37 AM)tiger86 Wrote:  https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/n...702404001/

Great article!

I contend that William Bedford is the most talented big man we have ever had.

I know Larry Kenon was awesome. I know Keith Lee was brilliant. I believe James Wiseman may make me rethink my ranking. But for sheer size, athleticism, and skill, Bedford was the best.

Surely you jest. You are merging someones athleticism with basketball skill. Kenon and Lee displayed much more basketball skill than Bedford.

Career field goal %
Rk Pct. Name Years
1. .635 Will Coleman (198-312) 2009-11
2. .627 D.J. Stephens (207-330) 2009-13
3. .614 Joey Dorsey (400-651) 2004-08
4. .600 Tarik Black (369-615) 2010-13
5. .582 Chris Massie (279-479) 2001-03
6. .577 Ronnie Robinson (464-804) 1970-73
7. .567 Marion Hilliard (386-681) 1974-76
.567 William Bedford (514-907) 1983-86
9. .565 Michael Wilson (208-368) 1994-96
10. .563 Derek Phillips (271-481) 1979-84

I don't see Keith Lee or Larry Kenon's name on the this list. Shooting the basketball is a SKILL.

I will say that I had forgotten how freaking good Ronnie Robinson was. He was a double/double machine. 48 in his 3 year career. Keith Lee had 74 in his 4 year career, Larry Kenon had 25 (1 ONE year), and Bedford had 21 in his 3 year career. For comparison, Penny had 17 in his 2 years.

Tomato, Tomatoe.

Nutts. Regarding accomplishments on the basketball court, both individually and what they contributed to their team, Bedford is not in the same conversation as Keith Lee, or Larry Kennon. Bedford never progressed beyond 'good' with the chance to become "great". Lee and Kennon were "Great" and were major reasons their teams almost climbed the mountain.

That’s why NBA scouts raved about him knowing his history and he was drafted 6th and Keith 11th?

(07-16-2019 09:32 PM)WiseMan Wrote:  

(07-16-2019 02:34 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(07-16-2019 11:30 AM)tiger86 Wrote:  

(07-16-2019 10:23 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(07-16-2019 08:37 AM)tiger86 Wrote:  https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/n...702404001/

Great article!

I contend that William Bedford is the most talented big man we have ever had.

I know Larry Kenon was awesome. I know Keith Lee was brilliant. I believe James Wiseman may make me rethink my ranking. But for sheer size, athleticism, and skill, Bedford was the best.

Surely you jest. You are merging someones athleticism with basketball skill. Kenon and Lee displayed much more basketball skill than Bedford.

Career field goal %
Rk Pct. Name Years
1. .635 Will Coleman (198-312) 2009-11
2. .627 D.J. Stephens (207-330) 2009-13
3. .614 Joey Dorsey (400-651) 2004-08
4. .600 Tarik Black (369-615) 2010-13
5. .582 Chris Massie (279-479) 2001-03
6. .577 Ronnie Robinson (464-804) 1970-73
7. .567 Marion Hilliard (386-681) 1974-76
.567 William Bedford (514-907) 1983-86
9. .565 Michael Wilson (208-368) 1994-96
10. .563 Derek Phillips (271-481) 1979-84

I don't see Keith Lee or Larry Kenon's name on the this list. Shooting the basketball is a SKILL.

I will say that I had forgotten how freaking good Ronnie Robinson was. He was a double/double machine. 48 in his 3 year career. Keith Lee had 74 in his 4 year career, Larry Kenon had 25 (1 ONE year), and Bedford had 21 in his 3 year career. For comparison, Penny had 17 in his 2 years.

Tomato, Tomatoe.

Nutts. Regarding accomplishments on the basketball court, both individually and what they contributed to their team, Bedford is not in the same conversation as Keith Lee, or Larry Kennon. Bedford never progressed beyond 'good' with the chance to become "great". Lee and Kennon were "Great" and were major reasons their teams almost climbed the mountain.

That’s why NBA scouts raved about him knowing his history and he was drafted 6th and Keith 11th?

You confuse the NBA game vs the college game. You confuse drafting a player because of their potential in the NBA game vs what that player accomplished in college.

Lee was skinny guy who didn't run well. Lee was as good a college player as has ever played. Bedford was a fantastic athlete who had enormous upside. That is why he was drafted.

If you think Bedford was in the same class of college player as Lee and Kennon so be it. I say you are nutts. I saw them all play multiple times in person.

Just typed a fairly long response with a cut typing finger that needs stitches. Not going tonight. Bedford would have won a NC here if he applied himself. Training staff put too much weight on Keith and ruined his knees. He never recovered.