Speaking of bad timing...I'd say that the fact that realignment fever was gripping the CF world, with rumors of Clemson and FSU flirting with (and maybe even some over the clothes stuff) with other conferences, also doomed UConn.

There was no way Tobacco road was going to be able to force UConn down the football schools' throats and tell them to like it, as might have happened a few years earlier.

A kinder way to put it might just be that the ACC had come around to the importance of football. Not that Louisville has a juggernaut football program, or is less than elite in basketball, but I think the academic pill is one that I think the conference would have choked on in less "desparate" times.

As for taking them for non-football sports now...totally unnecessary and they belong there in the Big East, and always have.

(07-08-2019 01:33 PM)Wear Purple Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 01:11 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  I thought UCONN hoped ESPN would grease the skids for their entry into the ACC. Thus, there was no reason to sell the Huskies. I don’t think anyone saw the football school revolt coming.

That's an interesting view. UConn President, Susan Herbst, now in her late 50's and who is stepping down this summer, was the Vice-Chancellor of the University System of Georgia and a faculty member at Georgia Tech prior to being named Prez at UConn. If she thought the deep south sector of the ACC (aka football school revolt) was going to support UConn's entry into the ACC, then she was either incredibly naive or lived with her head in the sand for years before moving to Connecticut - both of which are of course possible.

There is a huge divide between athletics and the general faculty that all GT folks know about and beyatch about for decades. So, maybe she really was that naive or ignorant. Then again, maybe she knew full well what was going to be the case against UConn and tried to change the mindsets behind the scenes. Also a possibility I suppose.

Certainly sounds like a creature of The Hill .... unaware of how it fits into a broader system ... myopic .... self-absorbed .... but with unquestionable academic credentials.

Expansion slots are precious. Using one ties up a valuable slot that may have a more valuable use in the future. What if Texas suddenly wanted a Notre Dame like deal. While a long shot, it is a possibility. What if ND lost its mind and decided to join for football, we'd need another football program not a basketball only. If we really were considering a basketball only invite, should we consider other candidates - Villanova? Georgetown? St. John's? If there is absolutely no urgency, it is not wise to act.

(07-09-2019 01:42 PM)orangefan Wrote:  Expansion slots are precious. Using one ties up a valuable slot that may have a more valuable use in the future. What if Texas suddenly wanted a Notre Dame like deal. While a long shot, it is a possibility. What if ND lost its mind and decided to join for football, we'd need another football program not a basketball only. If we really were considering a basketball only invite, should we consider other candidates - Villanova? Georgetown? St. John's? If there is absolutely no urgency, it is not wise to act.

Couldn't have said it any better, orangefan. Well stated.

To add to your comment about slots being precious, another point folks need to remember and pay closer attention to (IMO) is the extra mouth to feed is another cut from the conference kitty. And that applies not just to the ACC, but to any conference. It is one reason I won't be surprised at all to see the AAC stay with what they have - at least for a while.

When adding or replacing, a big stable power conference like the ACC is in a position where it doesn't have to worry over its members all see it as a stepping stone to a higher conference. Every member of the AAC would leave tomorrow to a P5 given the chance. It is as much about survival as it is expanding/replacing. The ACC - along with the Big 10+4 and SEC in particular - is looking to find the prime rib at the meat counter and bypassing the cube steak at the end.

In the ACC's case, though it applies to all conferences, from a financial perspective we must add only those who will add far more revenue to enhance the kitty to the point where once the money cuts are distributed out that it isn't a significant drop. Or, at least, the feeling is that in time it will grow to that point.

For example, let's say the ACC in the coming years tops total distribution around the $600M mark (approaching but still not where the Big 10+4 and SEC are or will be at the same time...but play along for the sake of example)....

$600M divided 15 ways (to keep numbers clean I'll just say ND gets full cut though that may not be the case of course) is $40M per school. Add in another mouth to feed and it is now $37.5M. $2.5M doesn't sound too terribly bad...though, that can be the difference in keeping quality assistant FB coaches or keeping a successful head basketball coach. Whoever joins needs to be able to add in $40M alone in revenue for the original 15 schools to stay at the $40M/year level. I think the prime rib who can add that are the ones that have been mentioned before (Penn State, Texas, etc...even as unlikely as their departures from their respective conferences are). As orangefan correctly points out, the ACC is under no urgency to act hastily for cube steak (ok ok, the cube steak reference was mine).

I've always been a "UCONN to the ACC made sense" guy but now, consider it a bullet dodged. You guys chose well with UL. Hoping that the AAC can turn this into a double win by luring BYU.

(07-09-2019 05:24 PM)Wear Purple Wrote:  

(07-09-2019 01:42 PM)orangefan Wrote:  Expansion slots are precious. Using one ties up a valuable slot that may have a more valuable use in the future. What if Texas suddenly wanted a Notre Dame like deal. While a long shot, it is a possibility. What if ND lost its mind and decided to join for football, we'd need another football program not a basketball only. If we really were considering a basketball only invite, should we consider other candidates - Villanova? Georgetown? St. John's? If there is absolutely no urgency, it is not wise to act.

Couldn't have said it any better, orangefan. Well stated.

To add to your comment about slots being precious, another point folks need to remember and pay closer attention to (IMO) is the extra mouth to feed is another cut from the conference kitty. And that applies not just to the ACC, but to any conference. It is one reason I won't be surprised at all to see the AAC stay with what they have - at least for a while.

When adding or replacing, a big stable power conference like the ACC is in a position where it doesn't have to worry over its members all see it as a stepping stone to a higher conference. Every member of the AAC would leave tomorrow to a P5 given the chance. It is as much about survival as it is expanding/replacing. The ACC - along with the Big 10+4 and SEC in particular - is looking to find the prime rib at the meat counter and bypassing the cube steak at the end.

In the ACC's case, though it applies to all conferences, from a financial perspective we must add only those who will add far more revenue to enhance the kitty to the point where once the money cuts are distributed out that it isn't a significant drop. Or, at least, the feeling is that in time it will grow to that point.

For example, let's say the ACC in the coming years tops total distribution around the $600M mark (approaching but still not where the Big 10+4 and SEC are or will be at the same time...but play along for the sake of example)....

$600M divided 15 ways (to keep numbers clean I'll just say ND gets full cut though that may not be the case of course) is $40M per school. Add in another mouth to feed and it is now $37.5M. $2.5M doesn't sound too terribly bad...though, that can be the difference in keeping quality assistant FB coaches or keeping a successful head basketball coach. Whoever joins needs to be able to add in $40M alone in revenue for the original 15 schools to stay at the $40M/year level. I think the prime rib who can add that are the ones that have been mentioned before (Penn State, Texas, etc...even as unlikely as their departures from their respective conferences are). As orangefan correctly points out, the ACC is under no urgency to act hastily for cube steak (ok ok, the cube steak reference was mine).

Did you mean to say "cube steak" or "tube steak"?

(07-09-2019 06:40 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-09-2019 05:24 PM)Wear Purple Wrote:  

(07-09-2019 01:42 PM)orangefan Wrote:  Expansion slots are precious. Using one ties up a valuable slot that may have a more valuable use in the future. What if Texas suddenly wanted a Notre Dame like deal. While a long shot, it is a possibility. What if ND lost its mind and decided to join for football, we'd need another football program not a basketball only. If we really were considering a basketball only invite, should we consider other candidates - Villanova? Georgetown? St. John's? If there is absolutely no urgency, it is not wise to act.

Couldn't have said it any better, orangefan. Well stated.

To add to your comment about slots being precious, another point folks need to remember and pay closer attention to (IMO) is the extra mouth to feed is another cut from the conference kitty. And that applies not just to the ACC, but to any conference. It is one reason I won't be surprised at all to see the AAC stay with what they have - at least for a while.

When adding or replacing, a big stable power conference like the ACC is in a position where it doesn't have to worry over its members all see it as a stepping stone to a higher conference. Every member of the AAC would leave tomorrow to a P5 given the chance. It is as much about survival as it is expanding/replacing. The ACC - along with the Big 10+4 and SEC in particular - is looking to find the prime rib at the meat counter and bypassing the cube steak at the end.

In the ACC's case, though it applies to all conferences, from a financial perspective we must add only those who will add far more revenue to enhance the kitty to the point where once the money cuts are distributed out that it isn't a significant drop. Or, at least, the feeling is that in time it will grow to that point.

For example, let's say the ACC in the coming years tops total distribution around the $600M mark (approaching but still not where the Big 10+4 and SEC are or will be at the same time...but play along for the sake of example)....

$600M divided 15 ways (to keep numbers clean I'll just say ND gets full cut though that may not be the case of course) is $40M per school. Add in another mouth to feed and it is now $37.5M. $2.5M doesn't sound too terribly bad...though, that can be the difference in keeping quality assistant FB coaches or keeping a successful head basketball coach. Whoever joins needs to be able to add in $40M alone in revenue for the original 15 schools to stay at the $40M/year level. I think the prime rib who can add that are the ones that have been mentioned before (Penn State, Texas, etc...even as unlikely as their departures from their respective conferences are). As orangefan correctly points out, the ACC is under no urgency to act hastily for cube steak (ok ok, the cube steak reference was mine).

Did you mean to say "cube steak" or "tube steak"?

Remember that the ACC office gets an equal cut, you are really dividing by 16.

(07-09-2019 07:26 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Remember that the ACC office gets an equal cut, you are really dividing by 16.

Actually, I think the ACC office gets more than an equal cut - closer to 10%. I'm talking about after they skim 10% off the top. Good point to remind all of their cut though.

(07-09-2019 05:42 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  I've always been a "UCONN to the ACC made sense" guy but now, consider it a bullet dodged. You guys chose well with UL. Hoping that the AAC can turn this into a double win by luring BYU.

Amen to the post above. UConn is a financial dumpster fire right now and is in the process of throwing its FB program under the bus with their current move back to the BE Nostalgic Era for regional play. UConn posters are salivating over bus rides to Seton Hall, Providence, and St John's. Villanova travel is the same as travel to Temple and G'Town has to be a flight unless their programs are going to sit on a bus in traffic for 6- 8 hours one way. Some one in the ACC should tell them Syracuse, ND, L'Ville, VT, BC, and Miami all left for the ACC and the only real nostalgic area rivals left are Villanova and G'Town. To make a play off the food references above, maybe UConn has settled on leaving cube steak for tube steak because they surely aren't leaving the AAC for Prime Rib on the P5 buffet table.

I used to like the idea of Connecticut in the ACC, but lately the program seems to be settling into a niche as a northeast regional court sport power. Huskies fans seem to be getting comfortable with this, and there is something to be said for short road trips with known rivals. The program is looking less and less like a Power 5 contender, though, as a result.

If Notre Dame signed on for ACC football next week, the conference would check in with Penn State and Texas first as the Cincy Bearcats got their luggage out of the closet.

(07-10-2019 10:38 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  I used to like the idea of Connecticut in the ACC, but lately the program seems to be settling into a niche as a northeast regional court sport power. Huskies fans seem to be getting comfortable with this, and there is something to be said for short road trips with known rivals. The program is looking less and less like a Power 5 contender, though, as a result.

If Notre Dame signed on for ACC football next week, the conference would check in with Penn State and Texas first as the Cincy Bearcats got their luggage out of the closet.

Penn State will listen but won't come, Texas will want the current ND deal, and the Cincy Bearcats already have their bags packed and are out the door now that you mentioned them.

(07-11-2019 10:47 AM)panite Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 10:38 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  I used to like the idea of Connecticut in the ACC, but lately the program seems to be settling into a niche as a northeast regional court sport power. Huskies fans seem to be getting comfortable with this, and there is something to be said for short road trips with known rivals. The program is looking less and less like a Power 5 contender, though, as a result.

If Notre Dame signed on for ACC football next week, the conference would check in with Penn State and Texas first as the Cincy Bearcats got their luggage out of the closet.

Penn State will listen but won't come, Texas will want the current ND deal, and the Cincy Bearcats already have their bags packed and are out the door now that you mentioned them.

Cincinnati President:

(07-10-2019 10:38 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  I used to like the idea of Connecticut in the ACC, but lately the program seems to be settling into a niche as a northeast regional court sport power. Huskies fans seem to be getting comfortable with this, and there is something to be said for short road trips with known rivals. The program is looking less and less like a Power 5 contender, though, as a result.

If Notre Dame signed on for ACC football next week, the conference would check in with Penn State and Texas first as the Cincy Bearcats got their luggage out of the closet.

We never even unpacked. We've been living out of boxes since 2012.

(07-11-2019 10:47 AM)panite Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 10:38 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  I used to like the idea of Connecticut in the ACC, but lately the program seems to be settling into a niche as a northeast regional court sport power. Huskies fans seem to be getting comfortable with this, and there is something to be said for short road trips with known rivals. The program is looking less and less like a Power 5 contender, though, as a result.

If Notre Dame signed on for ACC football next week, the conference would check in with Penn State and Texas first as the Cincy Bearcats got their luggage out of the closet.

Penn State will listen but won't come, Texas will want the current ND deal, and the Cincy Bearcats already have their bags packed and are out the door now that you mentioned them.

(07-11-2019 11:17 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 10:38 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  I used to like the idea of Connecticut in the ACC, but lately the program seems to be settling into a niche as a northeast regional court sport power. Huskies fans seem to be getting comfortable with this, and there is something to be said for short road trips with known rivals. The program is looking less and less like a Power 5 contender, though, as a result.

If Notre Dame signed on for ACC football next week, the conference would check in with Penn State and Texas first as the Cincy Bearcats got their luggage out of the closet.

We never even unpacked. We've been living out of boxes since 2012.

(07-11-2019 11:17 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  We never even unpacked. We've been living out of boxes since 2012.

........

(07-11-2019 11:17 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 10:38 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  I used to like the idea of Connecticut in the ACC, but lately the program seems to be settling into a niche as a northeast regional court sport power. Huskies fans seem to be getting comfortable with this, and there is something to be said for short road trips with known rivals. The program is looking less and less like a Power 5 contender, though, as a result.

If Notre Dame signed on for ACC football next week, the conference would check in with Penn State and Texas first as the Cincy Bearcats got their luggage out of the closet.

We never even unpacked. We've been living out of boxes since 2012.

That’s a plus 3 post right there

(07-08-2019 06:53 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  In the end the Louisville was lucky that Maryland couldn’t manage its money; otherwise Louisville would still be in The American.

IMO, if Maryland had stayed in the ACC, UofL and UC are virtual locks to be in the Big 12 right now. It would have made way too much sense back in 2015/2016 as the playoff was settling in...

The only other realistic candidate would have been BYU, and it's clear from the 2016 saga that the Big 12 couldn't get over their issues.

Damn those stupid turtles and their crazy state flag.

(07-12-2019 01:55 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 06:53 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  In the end the Louisville was lucky that Maryland couldn’t manage its money; otherwise Louisville would still be in The American.

IMO, if Maryland had stayed in the ACC, UofL and UC are virtual locks to be in the Big 12 right now. It would have made way too much sense back in 2015/2016 as the playoff was settling in...

The only other realistic candidate would have been BYU, and it's clear from the 2016 saga that the Big 12 couldn't get over their issues.

Damn those stupid turtles and their crazy state flag.

https://president.osu.edu/presidents/kirwan.html

Kirwan is the main source of your pain.

(07-12-2019 02:11 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(07-12-2019 01:55 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 06:53 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  In the end the Louisville was lucky that Maryland couldn’t manage its money; otherwise Louisville would still be in The American.

IMO, if Maryland had stayed in the ACC, UofL and UC are virtual locks to be in the Big 12 right now. It would have made way too much sense back in 2015/2016 as the playoff was settling in...

The only other realistic candidate would have been BYU, and it's clear from the 2016 saga that the Big 12 couldn't get over their issues.

Damn those stupid turtles and their crazy state flag.

https://president.osu.edu/presidents/kirwan.html

Kirwan is the main source of your pain.

O$U has always been the evil empire.