tanqtonic
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RE: Trump Administration
(07-08-2019 04:01 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote: (07-08-2019 03:49 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: (07-08-2019 01:11 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote: (07-08-2019 01:02 PM)Rice93 Wrote: (07-06-2019 03:39 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: You leave off the information gathering function of the census. Funny that.
As you leave off the question about this being kind of a basic piece of information. Funny that.
Care to answer if you feel or dont feel that citizenship isnt a basic piece of information? Third time asked might be the charm.
I mean, they have already asked:
Is this house, apartment, or mobile home: owned with mortgage, owned without mortgage, rented, occupied without rent?
What is the highest degree or level of school this each person has completed?
Does any person have an issue with learning, remembering, or concentrating?
What kind of work was this person doing?
What time did this person usually leave home to go to work last week?
Wages, salary, commissions, bonuses, or tips from all jobs?
What were the real estate taxes on this property last year?
And, here is some real funny ones from 2000 itself:
What state or country was this person from?
Is this person a citizen of the United States?
If the person was not born in the United States, when did he come to live in the United States?
Not only do they ask these questions, there is a requirement at law to answer them.
So given the issue with the informational aspect of the census, the fact that I have been asked literally almost everything else about the household, that they have *already* deemed it appropriate to ask about the citizenship, *and* that they require that answering their questions is required by law, perhaps that background might be able to help you answer that question you seemingly so studiously avoid.
So, unambiguously for all of us here:
"Seems to be kind of one of those 'basic questions', does it not?" Especially since everything else in the friggin universe is asked, *and* an answer is required by law.
Please help clear this up for us.
Quick response as just getting back from holiday weekend.
These questions that you reference are not found on today's census. It seems that you are referencing questions that might by found on the American Community Survey (not the census). As I understand it, today's census is pretty limited.
This is from the Population Reference Bureau website:
"Census Bureau research strongly suggests that “adding a citizenship question to the 2020 Census would lead to lower self-response rates in households potentially containing noncitizens, resulting in higher fieldwork costs and a lower-quality population count.” [3] Estimates indicate that the addition of a citizenship question to the 2020 Census may put almost one in 10 U.S. households—more than 14 percent of the population, and nearly 45 million people—at greater risk of being missed in the Census. [4] Undercount risk is particularly high among young children (under age 5) because nearly one in five of them lives in a household with at least one noncitizen. [5]"
https://www.prb.org/why-are-they-asking-...questions/
The 10 questions asked in the 2010 census:
How many people were living or staying in this house, apartment, or mobile home on April 1, 2010?
Were there any additional people staying here April 1, 2010 that you did not include in Question 1?
Is this house, apartment, or mobile home: owned with mortgage, owned without mortgage, rented, occupied without rent?
What is your telephone number?
Please provide information for each person living here. Start with a person here who owns or rents this house, apartment, or mobile home. If the owner or renter lives somewhere else, start with any adult living here. This will be Person 1. What is Person 1's name?
What is Person 1's sex?
What is Person 1's age and Date of Birth?
Is Person 1 of Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish origin?
What is Person 1's race?
Does Person 1 sometimes live or stay somewhere else?
https://www.census.gov/history/www/throu.../2010.html
https://www.npr.org/2018/03/27/597436512...s-question
Read the whole article. Citizenship was asked before.
Huh - weird response to me posting what the 2010 questions were on the census, after 93 posted about the American Community Survey, which is now, where the more detailed questions are asked.
I never refuted that a citizenship question has been asked, historically. As you can see in the NPR article, a citizenship question was last asked of every household (e.g. the short-form, 2010 style census I referenced) in 1950. It's been included in the long-form questionnaire (which has gone away, but is basically the American Community Survey) that is not sent to every citizen, and is conducted yearly (not every 10 years).
And it has been asked up until 2000. Albeit not to every household. That means, what, to you re: to the fact of whether it has been asked or not?
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