(06-20-2019 01:12 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  There is a difference between concentration camps and death camps. The definition of a concentration camp is hoarding people into detention without a trial. Look it up brainiacs. That’s EXACTLY what we are doing.

Facts and such. Quit watching Fox News and try to educate yourselves boys. It has to be embarrassing at some point.

Yeah, except she also included "Never Again" which is a direct reference to the killing of millions of Jews by the Nazis.

Quit being so dense.

(06-20-2019 01:12 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  There is a difference between concentration camps and death camps. The definition of a concentration camp is hoarding people into detention without a trial. Look it up brainiacs. That’s EXACTLY what we are doing.

Fine, if you're going to make that distinction, then don't equate the two. Say clearly, "concentration camps, but not death camps like Dachau, Buchenwald, and Auschwitz." Because right now, what's going on is suggesting cheaply a dishonest equivalence between the two in the minds of listeners. And, of course, she chose that exact wording because that is precisely the connection that she wants to be made.

By the way, they're not concentration camps using the definition you gave. People are not being hoarded into them. They are coming voluntarily to the border. The question is then what to do with them. You got a better suggestion, brainiac?

Guys....c'mon. Concentration camps have never been connected to the Holocaust. Anybody who is anyone already knows this...AOC says experts say so.

Also, we've always been at war with Eastasia.

The experts do say so. So did you read the link?

(06-20-2019 09:23 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The experts do say so. So did you read the link?

I did read the link. I think it's the most disingenuous scramble to justify an idiot I've ever seen. Everyone knows perfectly well the link she was trying to make between Nazis and Southern Border Detention camps.

I did not support Trump in 2016, but this is the complete BULL SH*T that is gonna get me to financially support a presidential candidate for the first time in my life for 2020. AOC and her ilk are the craziest bunch of radicals I've ever seen....and every day they top themselves.

(06-20-2019 09:23 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The experts do say so. So did you read the link?

It doesn't take an expert to pick up a history book or watch archival videos of the Allies liberating the concentration camps. They documented it well so it would not be forgotten nor misconstrued. The people defending Beto and the village idiot Cortez are resorting to Webster's definition of "concentration" to try to vindicate idiotic comparisons. Trying to distinguish between concentration camp or death camp is pathetic.

(06-20-2019 07:32 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 01:14 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Read.

https://www.newsweek.com/concentration-c...er-1444843

Dachau, Buchenwald, and Auschwitz were all Nazi concentration camps. If you find something similar on the southern border let me know but you and I both know you won't.

I’ve never heard any of those three referred to as “death camps” once in my life until this recent spate of ignorance by the lunatic fringe.

Concentration camp isn’t really a death camp cause they let you work yourself to death while they starve you too. Mmmm, kay.

So a concentration camp is a death camp with daytime “activities”. Got it.


These people aren’t just certifiably nuts, they’re sick. Ill.

(06-20-2019 10:37 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 07:32 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 01:14 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Read.

https://www.newsweek.com/concentration-c...er-1444843

Dachau, Buchenwald, and Auschwitz were all Nazi concentration camps. If you find something similar on the southern border let me know but you and I both know you won't.

I’ve never heard any of those three referred to as “death camps” once in my life until this recent spate of ignorance by the lunatic fringe.

Concentration camp isn’t really a death camp cause they let you work yourself to death while they starve you too. Mmmm, kay.

So a concentration camp is a death camp with daytime “activities”. Got it.


These people aren’t just certifiable nuts, they’re sick. Ill.

This is what happens when we elect bartenders with twitter accounts to public office. They try to spark outrage by comparing their political foes with the most outrageous, most egregious regimes of all time. That was clearly the intent. When it fell on its face and failed they resort to the "you know I meant something else and you're just twisting my words" defense and then hive-mentality attacking anyone who dares question their ideology. That's the exact definition of fascism if I've ever seen it. THAT is the exact style of communication that led to German concentration camps.

But hey... like Mach's favorite quote says... "Those who don't study history are doomed to repeat it."

Shameful characterization by O'Rourke.

(06-20-2019 01:12 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  There is a difference between concentration camps and death camps. The definition of a concentration camp is hoarding people into detention without a trial. Look it up brainiacs. That’s EXACTLY what we are doing.

Facts and such. Quit watching Fox News and try to educate yourselves boys. It has to be embarrassing at some point.

Technically you might be correct, but the overall perception among 95% of the populace is death camp = concentration camp. Libs sure try to justify their volatile accusations.

Oh and Fox has been much more accurate than fake news CNN and MSNBC.


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(06-20-2019 11:46 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 01:12 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  There is a difference between concentration camps and death camps. The definition of a concentration camp is hoarding people into detention without a trial. Look it up brainiacs. That’s EXACTLY what we are doing.

Facts and such. Quit watching Fox News and try to educate yourselves boys. It has to be embarrassing at some point.

Technically you might be correct, but the overall perception among 95% of the populace is death camp = concentration camp. Libs sure try to justify their volatile accusations.

Oh and Fox has been much more accurate than fake news CNN and MSNBC.


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I think it flows the opposite way

Say “concentration camps”, people think = death camps. Primarily because no one has ever widely used “death camps”.

Least not to my knowledge and I know my WWII pretty well.

(06-20-2019 11:52 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 11:46 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 01:12 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  There is a difference between concentration camps and death camps. The definition of a concentration camp is hoarding people into detention without a trial. Look it up brainiacs. That’s EXACTLY what we are doing.

Facts and such. Quit watching Fox News and try to educate yourselves boys. It has to be embarrassing at some point.

Technically you might be correct, but the overall perception among 95% of the populace is death camp = concentration camp. Libs sure try to justify their volatile accusations.

Oh and Fox has been much more accurate than fake news CNN and MSNBC.


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I think it flows the opposite way

Say “concentration camps”, people think = death camps. Primarily because no one has ever widely used “death camps”.

Least not to my knowledge and I know my WWII pretty well.

I stand corrected.


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De nada.



No big deal (obviously) it’s just that I legit don’t think I’ve heard that term ever used until whatever it is, 3-4 days ago?

(06-20-2019 11:46 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 01:12 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  There is a difference between concentration camps and death camps. The definition of a concentration camp is hoarding people into detention without a trial. Look it up brainiacs. That’s EXACTLY what we are doing.

Facts and such. Quit watching Fox News and try to educate yourselves boys. It has to be embarrassing at some point.

Technically you might be correct, but the overall perception among 95% of the populace is death camp = concentration camp. Libs sure try to justify their volatile accusations.

Oh and Fox has been much more accurate than fake news CNN and MSNBC.


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I think technically they would be detention camps since we are detaining illegals and those seeking asylum.

(06-20-2019 12:03 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  De nada.



No big deal (obviously) it’s just that I legit don’t think I’ve heard that term ever used until whatever it is, 3-4 days ago?

I've heard the term used but always interchangeably with concentration camp.

They knew exactly what they were saying each time.

Their handlers are teaching them well.

Are they concentration camps by the original definition...which came way before the Holocaust? Yes, most likely. That being said, since the Holocaust, they've taken on the additional meaning of also being death camps. Therefore, it's just best not to use the term without a bunch of qualifiers around it....so bottom line...just don't use it.

(06-20-2019 01:12 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  There is a difference between concentration camps and death camps. The definition of a concentration camp is hoarding people into detention without a trial. Look it up brainiacs. That’s EXACTLY what we are doing.

Facts and such. Quit watching Fox News and try to educate yourselves boys. It has to be embarrassing at some point.

And currently legislative leaders of Poland would say you're as bad as AOC, Mach.

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Would you like me to quote you the key line?

... by devising a chain of CONCENTRATION CAMPS IN ORDER TO _EXTERMINATE_ those who they believed were subhuman...

Sorry, but I'll take that Polish legislature's defintion before I'll take your public school teaching brain

(06-20-2019 04:00 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 01:12 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  There is a difference between concentration camps and death camps. The definition of a concentration camp is hoarding people into detention without a trial. Look it up brainiacs. That’s EXACTLY what we are doing.

Facts and such. Quit watching Fox News and try to educate yourselves boys. It has to be embarrassing at some point.

And currently legislative leaders of Poland would say you're as bad as AOC, Mach.

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Would you like me to quote you the key line?

... by devising a chain of CONCENTRATION CAMPS IN ORDER TO _EXTERMINATE_ those who they believed were subhuman...

Sorry, but I'll take that Polish legislature's defintion before I'll take your public school teaching brain

Democrats are lunatics....playing semantics. Lunatics.

(06-20-2019 03:44 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Are they concentration camps by the original definition...which came way before the Holocaust? Yes, most likely. That being said, since the Holocaust, they've taken on the additional meaning of also being death camps. Therefore, it's just best not to use the term without a bunch of qualifiers around it....so bottom line...just don't use it.

I'm not aware that the Governments of those C-A countries are rounding up their own people and shipping them to the border against their will(?). If so, feel free to correct me.

I'm also not aware that these illegal aliens (there is NO such thing as an "illegal immigrant", immigrants are here/there legally) are being held against their free will. Can they not just leave if they want to? Again, if so feel free to correct me.

These aren't even internment camps like those put in place by FDR. Those people were rounded up based on their appearance and/or their ethnicity. For having done NOTHING wrong except living while Japanese. They also were stripped to the barest of possessions and some of them were quite well off at the time. They lost their homes, their land, their jobs, cars and whatever else.

So, just keeping rough score so far, we can pretty easily and logically dismiss 3 so far:

Death Camps(?)- scratch
Concentration camps- scratch
Internment camps- scratch

But apparently we need to find something to call them for the faux OUTRAGERS! and of course, #orangemanbad.

So, that said, why don't we just call them what they really are?

Summer Camp!
or
Temporary Housing

These people are in better living conditions than the bums, addicts and hobos living in the streets of LA, NY, Seattle, Portland or Fran Sicko. If this is so unacceptable to the pearl clutchers, why don't we just send these people to those places? Sure they'd really think that a big step up...

(06-20-2019 03:44 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Are they concentration camps by the original definition...which came way before the Holocaust? Yes, most likely. That being said, since the Holocaust, they've taken on the additional meaning of also being death camps. Therefore, it's just best not to use the term without a bunch of qualifiers around it....so bottom line...just don't use it.

I agree. Detention camp is the correct characterization. Of course...That does not trigger Beto's base. He intentionally used the term to try and gain political points with his followers. He knows damn well that these are not concentration camps in any respect.