(06-12-2019 05:20 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Oooohhhh the arrogant southern boys are afraid of traveling to Syracuse. LOL

If you haven't been to the Cuse lately lots of positive and vibrant changes going on downtown.

You are correct that the salt tears up the highways and cars.

BTW, current temp in Syracuse 76, Boston 71 so statefan that statement about temperature is offbase.

If we southerners want ****** winter weather, all we need to do is drive to Blacksburg.

https://www.usclimatedata.com/climate/sy...s/usny2737

For the record

Syracuse December January February

Hi/Lo 37/23 32/17 42/26

Precept Days 18 19 16

Total Snow For Year 128 Inches


Boston December January February

Hi/Lo 41/28 36/22 45/31

Precept Days 11 13 11

Total Snow For Year 44 Inches

Decent Strip Clubs - Syracuse could not find one, did find one for Mohawk women/
Decent Strip Clubs - Boston - weak, but better than Syracuse and you can always drive to Providence


No one is scared of Syracuse. Syracuse is boring - as boring as Greensboro. That's the real point.

(06-12-2019 07:28 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 05:20 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Oooohhhh the arrogant southern boys are afraid of traveling to Syracuse. LOL

If you haven't been to the Cuse lately lots of positive and vibrant changes going on downtown.

You are correct that the salt tears up the highways and cars.

BTW, current temp in Syracuse 76, Boston 71 so statefan that statement about temperature is offbase.

If we southerners want ****** winter weather, all we need to do is drive to Blacksburg.

https://www.usclimatedata.com/climate/sy...s/usny2737

For the record

Syracuse December January February

Hi/Lo 37/23 32/17 42/26

Precept Days 18 19 16

Total Snow For Year 128 Inches


Boston December January February

Hi/Lo 41/28 36/22 45/31

Precept Days 11 13 11

Total Snow For Year 44 Inches

Decent Strip Clubs - Syracuse could not find one, did find one for Mohawk women/
Decent Strip Clubs - Boston - weak, but better than Syracuse and you can always drive to Providence


No one is scared of Syracuse. Syracuse is boring - as boring as Greensboro. That's the real point.

Thanks for the climate review, but all you proved is Boston is generally a few degrees warmer on average. (not always warmer) Additionally, Boston´s station is very close to downtown (urban heating) and Syracuse´s station is 6 miles north of downtown in a semi-rural area.

Tell you what: go sit at BC´s stadium in late November...I´ll take the Carrier Dome.

Still laughing you checked out strip clubs as a reason of one city is better to visit. It did prove one thing: you either suck at Google search or lied. Cuse has several strip clubs and two nearby casinos.

(06-12-2019 08:35 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 07:28 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 05:20 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Oooohhhh the arrogant southern boys are afraid of traveling to Syracuse. LOL

If you haven't been to the Cuse lately lots of positive and vibrant changes going on downtown.

You are correct that the salt tears up the highways and cars.

BTW, current temp in Syracuse 76, Boston 71 so statefan that statement about temperature is offbase.

If we southerners want ****** winter weather, all we need to do is drive to Blacksburg.

https://www.usclimatedata.com/climate/sy...s/usny2737

For the record

Syracuse December January February

Hi/Lo 37/23 32/17 42/26

Precept Days 18 19 16

Total Snow For Year 128 Inches


Boston December January February

Hi/Lo 41/28 36/22 45/31

Precept Days 11 13 11

Total Snow For Year 44 Inches

Decent Strip Clubs - Syracuse could not find one, did find one for Mohawk women/
Decent Strip Clubs - Boston - weak, but better than Syracuse and you can always drive to Providence


No one is scared of Syracuse. Syracuse is boring - as boring as Greensboro. That's the real point.

Thanks for the climate review, but all you proved is Boston is generally a few degrees warmer on average. (not always warmer) Additionally, Boston´s station is very close to downtown (urban heating) and Syracuse´s station is 6 miles north of downtown in a semi-rural area.

Tell you what: go sit at BC´s stadium in late November...I´ll take the Carrier Dome.

Still laughing you checked out strip clubs as a reason of one city is better to visit. It did prove one thing: you either suck at Google search or lied. Cuse has several strip clubs and two nearby casinos.

I never said I needed the internet to report on your pitiful strip clubs. My eyeballs work well enough. Let me repreat I could not find a decent strip club in Syracuse, but did find one full up of Mohawk women. Understand now?

Why can't you admit Syracuse, as a destination, sucks ass?

Southern people have NO REASON to visit. Yes the finger lakes are nice, but that's a narrow window and we get near the same thing in the Appalachians, or driving up from Boston or NYC. There is no more reason to visit Syracuse as there is to visit Morgantown, or Hartford, or a number of other places attempting to recover from the Fordist collapse. It's not personal.

I damn sure have not hailed Greensboro as a place to visit.

(06-12-2019 07:28 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 05:20 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Oooohhhh the arrogant southern boys are afraid of traveling to Syracuse. LOL

If you haven't been to the Cuse lately lots of positive and vibrant changes going on downtown.

You are correct that the salt tears up the highways and cars.

BTW, current temp in Syracuse 76, Boston 71 so statefan that statement about temperature is offbase.

If we southerners want ****** winter weather, all we need to do is drive to Blacksburg.

https://www.usclimatedata.com/climate/sy...s/usny2737

For the record

Syracuse December January February

Hi/Lo 37/23 32/17 42/26

Precept Days 18 19 16

Total Snow For Year 128 Inches


Boston December January February

Hi/Lo 41/28 36/22 45/31

Precept Days 11 13 11

Total Snow For Year 44 Inches

Decent Strip Clubs - Syracuse could not find one, did find one for Mohawk women/
Decent Strip Clubs - Boston - weak, but better than Syracuse and you can always drive to Providence


No one is scared of Syracuse. Syracuse is boring - as boring as Greensboro. That's the real point.

The NY State through-way seems to bring a sleazy element through town


Its funny seeing you talk about a sleazy element in Syracuse then later reading that you were hunting for strip clubs in Syracuse and Boston. Hint: Lots of people view folks who hang out at strip clubs as sleazy, especially old guys.

https://realestate.usnews.com/places/new-york/syracuse

Your cheap housing stock gets you a ranking of 54 as the best places to live. Good for you.

UT and Texas was number 1
UW and Seattle was number 9
NC State, Duke, and UNC and RDU was 10
Wisky and Madison was 12
Vandy and Nashville was 15
Georgetown and DC was 19
TCU and DFW was 21
Clemson and Greenville was 23
Utah and Salt Lake was 24
BC and Boston was 27
UK and Lexington was 29
UH and Rice and Houston was 30
Wake Forest and Winston Salem was 31
Nebraska and Omaha was 32
Cincy and Cincy was 39
MSU and Lansing was 41
UT and Knoxvill was 46
Pitt and Carniege Mellon and Pittsburgh was 50
Ohio State and Columbus was 51
Syracuse and Syracuse was 54.

Not bad, but nothing great. Feel free to extol the virtues of Syracuse


While not mentioned directly in a lot of studies, several high end strip clubs that are not next to the local truck stops or out at the airport do have a positive correlation with the business and leisure travel vitality of an area. The best example in the Carolina's is Myrtle Beach. If you want to buy a hooker you can use your phone or internet and complete the transaction. If you want to take out a bunch of male clients or buddies you take them to the nice tiddy joint, not the aquarium or putt putt course.

It gives otherwise bored men something to do in the evening without doing something they will really regret. It's juvenile, but at least it's not Dave and Busters. The local whore house is not the local high end strip club. That was my point.

By the way, nothing turns my stomach more than a dozen topless women all with the same 24 boobs done by the same plastic surgeon. Ugh

But I admit, it's been 10-12 years since I had to kill 30 hours in Syracuse. I hear downtown has improved but not seen it myself. But the main road in from the Through-way reminding me of driving into Fayetteville NC in the early 1980's - it looked like Saigon had vomited all over Cumberland county. Ask Lance or Hall what they think.

Only Blacksburg is more boring than Syracuse.

The biggest problem of the current set up is too infrequent inter divisional games except for permanent rival games. The obvious remedy is a 9 conference game schedule but FSU and Clemson vetoed that idea.

So my new proposal (I am sure this idea has been discussed before) would be following:

9 conference games
1 crossover permanent rivial which plays every year (same as the current setup)
2 crossover secondary rivals which play every other year
4 crossover non rivals which play once a four years

To appease FSU and Clemson, they pick the secondary rivals first. My guess for the secondary rivals are:

FSU: GT and VT
Clemson: Miami and VT
Louisville: Miami and Pitt
Wake: UNC and UVa
NC State: Duke and UVa
Syracuse: GT and UNC
BC: Pitt and Duke

GT: Syracuse and FSU
UVa: NC state and Wake
VT: FSU and Clemson
Pitt: Louisville and BC
Miami: Louisville and Clemson
UNC: Syracuse and Wake
Duke: BC and NC state

Would FSU and Clemson buy this?

The pros include:

More frequent inter divisional games
More frequent big matchups (for example Clemson and Miami every other year and Clemson and VT the other years)
More inventory for ACCN

The cons include:

Harder path to the playoff
Rematch for the championship game is likely
One less spot for OOC game

So Statefan: let me cut to the chase

You have not been to Syracuse in over a decade. A ton of changes have happened. It is called the Thruway not the through-Way.

Downtown has undergone a renaissance in the past 5-10 years. One of the largest Mall/Entertainment Centers in the USA is in Syracuse. Onondaga Lake has been cleaned up and bike and hike trails are being added all throughout the city and area. The NY State Fair is one of the biggest and best in the USA. Historic Hotel Syracuse has been reopened after a painstaken year plus remodel.

I haven´t been in a strip club in 20+ years so I´ll yield to your expertise there. Mons Venus was the gold standard back in the day.

Tell you what: you come up to Cuse I´ll host you at my tailgate. You can see one the most beautiful campuses in America. The Carrier Dome sits in the middle of campus not somewhere a mile or two away.

I hope we are finished with the travelogue.

So if Esayem is correct and the ACC expands with Texas and Notre Dame, do the Longhorns to to one division and the Irish the other or do we start all over again?

My bet is that it's Texas to the coastal and Notre Dame to the Atlantic.

(06-12-2019 09:51 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  The biggest problem of the current set up is too infrequent inter divisional games except for permanent rival games. The obvious remedy is a 9 conference game schedule but FSU and Clemson vetoed that idea.

So my new proposal (I am sure this idea has been discussed before) would be following:

9 conference games
1 crossover permanent rivial which plays every year (same as the current setup)
2 crossover secondary rivals which play every other year
4 crossover non rivals which play once a four years

To appease FSU and Clemson, they pick the secondary rivals first. My guess for the secondary rivals are:

FSU: GT and VT
Clemson: Miami and VT
Louisville: Miami and Pitt
Wake: UNC and UVa
NC State: Duke and UVa
Syracuse: GT and UNC
BC: Pitt and Duke

GT: Syracuse and FSU
UVa: NC state and Wake
VT: FSU and Clemson
Pitt: Louisville and BC
Miami: Louisville and Clemson
UNC: Syracuse and Wake
Duke: BC and NC state

Would FSU and Clemson buy this?

The pros include:

More frequent inter divisional games
More frequent big matchups (for example Clemson and Miami every other year and Clemson and VT the other years)
More inventory for ACCN

The cons include:

Harder path to the playoff
Rematch for the championship game is likely
One less spot for OOC game

At one time you would have found many FSU fans complain about the conference schedule, but ever since UofL happened I think most FSU fans have been satisfied. I still don’t understand why SU and BC are not in opposite divisions playing each other in a cross over rival game? Those that wish to play an extra conference game could always schedule it as an OOC game. I think that is the best compromise without forcing everybody in games they don’t want to play in, besides with ND on the schedule every 3rd or 4th year it gets very tricky to balance a 9 game conference schedule. It’s still a “no” for me.

(06-12-2019 09:51 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  The obvious remedy is a 9 conference game schedule but FSU and Clemson vetoed that idea.

So my new proposal would be:

9 conference games

All the rest of that post is noise, so I didn't include it. FSU and Clemson, among others, don't want 9 conference games. Their reasons have little to do with how they are scheduled.

(06-13-2019 04:45 AM)XLance Wrote:  I hope we are finished with the travelogue.

So if Esayem is correct and the ACC expands with Texas and Notre Dame, do the Longhorns to to one division and the Irish the other or do we start all over again?

My bet is that it's Texas to the coastal and Notre Dame to the Atlantic.

I was actually thinking the opposite. Maybe then trade VaTech for BC or something.

I really only see that happening if ND has to join a conference to make the playoffs. In hoops, it became harder and harder for Independents to schedule and make the Dance so ND and DePaul threw in the towel.

(06-13-2019 06:47 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 09:51 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  The biggest problem of the current set up is too infrequent inter divisional games except for permanent rival games. The obvious remedy is a 9 conference game schedule but FSU and Clemson vetoed that idea.

So my new proposal (I am sure this idea has been discussed before) would be following:

9 conference games
1 crossover permanent rivial which plays every year (same as the current setup)
2 crossover secondary rivals which play every other year
4 crossover non rivals which play once a four years

To appease FSU and Clemson, they pick the secondary rivals first. My guess for the secondary rivals are:

FSU: GT and VT
Clemson: Miami and VT
Louisville: Miami and Pitt
Wake: UNC and UVa
NC State: Duke and UVa
Syracuse: GT and UNC
BC: Pitt and Duke

GT: Syracuse and FSU
UVa: NC state and Wake
VT: FSU and Clemson
Pitt: Louisville and BC
Miami: Louisville and Clemson
UNC: Syracuse and Wake
Duke: BC and NC state

Would FSU and Clemson buy this?

The pros include:

More frequent inter divisional games
More frequent big matchups (for example Clemson and Miami every other year and Clemson and VT the other years)
More inventory for ACCN

The cons include:

Harder path to the playoff
Rematch for the championship game is likely
One less spot for OOC game

At one time you would have found many FSU fans complain about the conference schedule, but ever since UofL happened I think most FSU fans have been satisfied. I still don’t understand why SU and BC are not in opposite divisions playing each other in a cross over rival game? Those that wish to play an extra conference game could always schedule it as an OOC game. I think that is the best compromise without forcing everybody in games they don’t want to play in, besides with ND on the schedule every 3rd or 4th year it gets very tricky to balance a 9 game conference schedule. It’s still a “no” for me.

I´ll be at FSU for the Cuse game this Fall. One of the easier tailgates to set up and run. If Cuse manages to beat FSU again I could see another mid-level rivalry form. It will never be on the level of UF, Miami, etc...but bump into a level just below those along with Louisville.

This thread should be renamed...



Or...

(06-13-2019 09:08 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(06-13-2019 06:47 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 09:51 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  The biggest problem of the current set up is too infrequent inter divisional games except for permanent rival games. The obvious remedy is a 9 conference game schedule but FSU and Clemson vetoed that idea.

So my new proposal (I am sure this idea has been discussed before) would be following:

9 conference games
1 crossover permanent rivial which plays every year (same as the current setup)
2 crossover secondary rivals which play every other year
4 crossover non rivals which play once a four years

To appease FSU and Clemson, they pick the secondary rivals first. My guess for the secondary rivals are:

FSU: GT and VT
Clemson: Miami and VT
Louisville: Miami and Pitt
Wake: UNC and UVa
NC State: Duke and UVa
Syracuse: GT and UNC
BC: Pitt and Duke

GT: Syracuse and FSU
UVa: NC state and Wake
VT: FSU and Clemson
Pitt: Louisville and BC
Miami: Louisville and Clemson
UNC: Syracuse and Wake
Duke: BC and NC state

Would FSU and Clemson buy this?

The pros include:

More frequent inter divisional games
More frequent big matchups (for example Clemson and Miami every other year and Clemson and VT the other years)
More inventory for ACCN

The cons include:

Harder path to the playoff
Rematch for the championship game is likely
One less spot for OOC game

At one time you would have found many FSU fans complain about the conference schedule, but ever since UofL happened I think most FSU fans have been satisfied. I still don’t understand why SU and BC are not in opposite divisions playing each other in a cross over rival game? Those that wish to play an extra conference game could always schedule it as an OOC game. I think that is the best compromise without forcing everybody in games they don’t want to play in, besides with ND on the schedule every 3rd or 4th year it gets very tricky to balance a 9 game conference schedule. It’s still a “no” for me.

I´ll be at FSU for the Cuse game this Fall. One of the easier tailgates to set up and run. If Cuse manages to beat FSU again I could see another mid-level rivalry form. It will never be on the level of UF, Miami, etc...but bump into a level just below those along with Louisville.

It took a while for FSU fans (and possibly Clemson fans) to acknowledge each other as rivals, but I think most have embraced it now. UofL seems to be on the fast track to also gaining that status. You’d think NCSU would have gotten there already, but it just does not feel like it.

How about:

South:
Clemson
Florida State
Miami
Georgia Tech
North Carolina
Duke
Virginia

North:
Virginia Tech
Louisville
Pitt
NC State
Boston College
Syracuse
Wake Forest

No fixed crossovers. All rivalry games not on the conference schedule added as OOC games.

(06-13-2019 11:03 AM)ken d Wrote:  How about:

South:
Clemson
Florida State
Miami
Georgia Tech
North Carolina
Duke
Virginia

North:
Virginia Tech
Louisville
Pitt
NC State
Boston College
Syracuse
Wake Forest

No fixed crossovers. All rivalry games not on the conference schedule added as OOC games.

You just killed VT/UVA and NC State/UNC.

(06-13-2019 12:39 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-13-2019 11:03 AM)ken d Wrote:  How about:

South:
Clemson
Florida State
Miami
Georgia Tech
North Carolina
Duke
Virginia

North:
Virginia Tech
Louisville
Pitt
NC State
Boston College
Syracuse
Wake Forest

No fixed crossovers. All rivalry games not on the conference schedule added as OOC games.

You just killed VT/UVA and NC State/UNC.

Play them OOC. Or swap Virginia and NC State, making UNC/UVa the OOC game.

(06-13-2019 10:37 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(06-13-2019 09:08 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(06-13-2019 06:47 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 09:51 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  The biggest problem of the current set up is too infrequent inter divisional games except for permanent rival games. The obvious remedy is a 9 conference game schedule but FSU and Clemson vetoed that idea.

So my new proposal (I am sure this idea has been discussed before) would be following:

9 conference games
1 crossover permanent rivial which plays every year (same as the current setup)
2 crossover secondary rivals which play every other year
4 crossover non rivals which play once a four years

To appease FSU and Clemson, they pick the secondary rivals first. My guess for the secondary rivals are:

FSU: GT and VT
Clemson: Miami and VT
Louisville: Miami and Pitt
Wake: UNC and UVa
NC State: Duke and UVa
Syracuse: GT and UNC
BC: Pitt and Duke

GT: Syracuse and FSU
UVa: NC state and Wake
VT: FSU and Clemson
Pitt: Louisville and BC
Miami: Louisville and Clemson
UNC: Syracuse and Wake
Duke: BC and NC state

Would FSU and Clemson buy this?

The pros include:

More frequent inter divisional games
More frequent big matchups (for example Clemson and Miami every other year and Clemson and VT the other years)
More inventory for ACCN

The cons include:

Harder path to the playoff
Rematch for the championship game is likely
One less spot for OOC game

At one time you would have found many FSU fans complain about the conference schedule, but ever since UofL happened I think most FSU fans have been satisfied. I still don’t understand why SU and BC are not in opposite divisions playing each other in a cross over rival game? Those that wish to play an extra conference game could always schedule it as an OOC game. I think that is the best compromise without forcing everybody in games they don’t want to play in, besides with ND on the schedule every 3rd or 4th year it gets very tricky to balance a 9 game conference schedule. It’s still a “no” for me.

I´ll be at FSU for the Cuse game this Fall. One of the easier tailgates to set up and run. If Cuse manages to beat FSU again I could see another mid-level rivalry form. It will never be on the level of UF, Miami, etc...but bump into a level just below those along with Louisville.

It took a while for FSU fans (and possibly Clemson fans) to acknowledge each other as rivals, but I think most have embraced it now. UofL seems to be on the fast track to also gaining that status. You’d think NCSU would have gotten there already, but it just does not feel like it.

Rivals are either created by geographical proximity or both teams playing games between top teams. Cuse isn´t near anyone (even BC is 5 hours away) so they won´t have any rivals in the ACC until they get back to the Top 25 year in, year out.

(06-13-2019 12:59 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-13-2019 12:39 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-13-2019 11:03 AM)ken d Wrote:  How about:

South:
Clemson
Florida State
Miami
Georgia Tech
North Carolina
Duke
Virginia

North:
Virginia Tech
Louisville
Pitt
NC State
Boston College
Syracuse
Wake Forest

No fixed crossovers. All rivalry games not on the conference schedule added as OOC games.

You just killed VT/UVA and NC State/UNC.

Play them OOC. Or swap Virginia and NC State, making UNC/UVa the OOC game.

OOC games between conference teams defeats the purpose of being in the same conference. That's why we don't see them often.

(06-13-2019 02:14 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(06-13-2019 12:59 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-13-2019 12:39 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-13-2019 11:03 AM)ken d Wrote:  How about:

South:
Clemson
Florida State
Miami
Georgia Tech
North Carolina
Duke
Virginia

North:
Virginia Tech
Louisville
Pitt
NC State
Boston College
Syracuse
Wake Forest

No fixed crossovers. All rivalry games not on the conference schedule added as OOC games.

You just killed VT/UVA and NC State/UNC.

Play them OOC. Or swap Virginia and NC State, making UNC/UVa the OOC game.

OOC games between conference teams defeats the purpose of being in the same conference. That's why we don't see them often.

Having 14 members defeats the purpose of being in the same conference. That's why we sometimes need OOC games between conference mates to continue long standing rivalries.