Well, I don't know what Fishman had in mind, but I would think it is defamatory if there were like 40 documents returned for the FOIA request, and all the DM focused on was this nothingburger letter. OTOH, the timeline of events is pretty damning.

(05-23-2019 11:54 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(05-23-2019 08:51 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(05-23-2019 08:41 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(05-23-2019 08:04 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(05-23-2019 07:32 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  So you and Bowen are going to take on a whistle blower?

Why would he do that..?

Well this person 'whistleblowed' that Bowen was sitting with somebody at a game and they decided to get up and change seats ---- even The National Enquirer would have to bend itself in a pretzel to find any meaning in that. Calling this person a whistleblower does a disservice to true whistleblowers and the sacrifices and risks they experience.

Don't bother with facts. They don't fit his narrative.

you acted like you were itching to sue somebody, "hope he has my card still"

I am asking who you are going to sue?

This is a pretty simple question in response to your post...

It could be someone else, if so who?

and what good facts are there?

Bowen has responded that he never saw the letter and that the letter had nothing to do with his resignation. Yet the letter, one filled with baseless innuendo that might harm not just his personal life and social reputation but also future job prospects, was presented by the University as part of the document request on the matter. If the University was either negligent or malicious in the matter I could see how Bowen might have a case there.

So two people have responded for Mr Fishman?

One says that he should sue the Daily Memphian, another says the University. This is why I asked Mr Fishman himself he seemed to be very confident that he could mop up in this case. I am waiting to hear from the real attorney.

I'd be interested in hearing this too unless the goal is to settle out of court from the get go.

Well the unredacted version of the letter is now out. It seems like we already know all the salacious stuff, you know where Bowen sets next to a person. And that same person gets his hotel Key for him because he's arriving late. The unredacted parts apparently are about University Personnel not being sociable enough and seemingly not caring about winning or actually wanting the ladies team to lose. Honestly, it's even worse than I thought. I'm still wondering why this may have triggered a potential investigation if in fact it did.

So, after 3 days, I guess I got my wish. "Be careful what you wish for..."

(05-24-2019 09:54 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Well the unredacted version of the letter is now out. It seems like we already know all the salacious stuff, you know where Bowen sets next to a person. And that same person gets his hotel Key for him because he's arriving late. The unredacted parts apparently are about University Personnel not being sociable enough and seemingly not caring about winning or actually wanting the ladies team to lose. Honestly, it's even worse than I thought. I'm still wondering why this may have triggered a potential investigation if in fact it did.

If such flimsy allegations, if that's what these are, routinely trigger investigations at the University of Memphis, Lord help those employees and good luck with morale.

Any time a mgmt person is involved in with a subordinate (direct or indirect) where 15 or more persons work (in the case of state or local gov employers), any and all decisions made (or influenced) by that mgmt person that might affect that subordinate are subject to investigation if there is a complaint made. Doesn't matter whether the complaint is later found to be invalid, it has to be investigated to determine the facts. And if you believe the DM published account, Bowen when confronted with the contents of the letter, "chose to resign in lieu of an investigation". Practically speaking, given the alleged relationship between Bowen & Rudd, Bowen may well of said, 'it's not worth it, I will resign,' especially given he had one foot out the door already.

Even with the resignation, there will still be an internal investigation to ascertain from the subordinate that the superior didn't leverage the work relationship in exchange for personal favors & from the prospective of the entire organization a determination that decisions haven't been made in favor of that subordinate that would not have been made apart from the relationship.

Yet none of that goes to what should trigger an investigation and that's the point here... There's really nothing there in my opinion. Let me also say this, the Commercial Appeal requested any documentation from the University showing or indicating that Bowen resigned in lieu of Investigation. The university could not provide any. We haven't heard the end of this one I'm pretty sure.

(05-25-2019 08:40 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  Yet none of that goes to what should trigger an investigation and that's the point here... There's really nothing there in my opinion. Let me also say this, the Commercial Appeal requested any documentation from the University showing or indicating that Bowen resigned in lieu of Investigation. The university could not provide any. We haven't heard the end of this one I'm pretty sure.

It goes directly to why an investigation is required.....
"Any time a mgmt person is involved in with a subordinate (direct or indirect) where 15 or more persons work (in the case of state or local gov employers), any and all decisions made (or influenced) by that mgmt person that might affect that subordinate are subject to investigation if there is a complaint made. Doesn't matter whether the complaint is later found to be invalid, it has to be investigated to determine the facts......"

He’s gone. Lets move on.

Well I don't read a letter like this one that way. And it stretches credulity to do it in my opinion. The letter comes off its either Petty orn attempt to make the department a little more professional, I guess it can be read both ways. But it's really a laundry list of what are considered by this person to be things that need to be corrected. From attire that's too informal, to Administration officials who did not greet her properly, to getting a hotel key for someone who's arriving late which I find out later is standard procedure, to Bowen spending more time witj one person then she thought look proper. And note, she's even not talking about a 'pattern of behavior' here. This is one trip and her observations on that one trip. It looks like a general complaint letter about one trip ... whether petty or not is a matter of opinion I guess. if I was an administrator I would not read this is anything else. It's looking more like an opportunity, at least in my eyes, then anything else. And now we find at the University doesn't have documentation in support of its alleged reasons for Bowen's resignation. Honestly I think the tables have turned and they're going to have some explaining to do for the production of this letter.

Documentation for reasons for his resignation??? That's on Bowen, he resigned.

(05-25-2019 09:41 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Documentation for reasons for his resignation??? That's on Bowen, he resigned.

Bowen gave his reasons when he resigned. You can believe him or disbelieving but he said he resigned to pursue other opportunities. Later the University in effect said that isn't true when they produced, as a reason for his resignation, the now-infamous letter. A public production they had to know what effect Bowen future prospects. And now we find out that despite the fact that the University issued a statement that Bowen resigned in lieu of an investigation they have no contemporaneous evidence in support of that and Bowen denies it. So here we are, it's very clear, at least to me, that the public production of this document could harm Bowens position with fiture potential employers. So yes, at least in my opinion, the tables have turned and the University has some explaining to do. If they had no support they should have never produced this flimsy document to the public and let Bowens explanation stand.

Speculation & opinion..... sports forums, OK.

(05-25-2019 10:00 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(05-25-2019 09:41 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Documentation for reasons for his resignation??? That's on Bowen, he resigned.

Bowen gave his reasons when he resigned. You can believe him or disbelieving but he said he resigned to pursue other opportunities. Later the University in effect said that isn't true when they produced, as a reason for his resignation, the now-infamous letter. A public production they had to know what effect Bowen future prospects. And now we find out that despite the fact that the University issued a statement that Bowen resigned in lieu of an investigation they have no contemporaneous evidence in support of that and Bowen denies it. So here we are, it's very clear, at least to me, that the public production of this document could harm Bowens position with fiture potential employers. So yes, at least in my opinion, the tables have turned and the University has some explaining to do. If they had no support they should have never produced this flimsy document to the public and let Bowens explanation stand.

Well said. The administration punched itself in the nose.

(05-23-2019 12:31 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(05-23-2019 12:02 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(05-23-2019 12:01 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(05-23-2019 11:57 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(05-23-2019 11:37 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Well if no one wants to go 'on the record' with all the information you apparently know --- than that's the end of it as far as the newspaper. You have no sources --- and if you want to maintain credibility you don't publish this nonsensical letter. That's how credible, ethical journalism works.

Y'all are shooting the messenger. Be my guest, but it still leaves this hard fast rule.

Don't date the employees.

Forget the moralistic high ground. Forget circling the wagons around someone with whom you identify. Dating employees opens the university/corporation to a ton of potential lawsuits.

Great rule but we're don't know enough about this situation to know if it even applies in this case.

WE don't need to know. lol

Yes WE do!! WEneedtoknow

(05-25-2019 10:00 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(05-25-2019 09:41 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Documentation for reasons for his resignation??? That's on Bowen, he resigned.

Bowen gave his reasons when he resigned. You can believe him or disbelieving but he said he resigned to pursue other opportunities. Later the University in effect said that isn't true when they produced, as a reason for his resignation, the now-infamous letter. A public production they had to know what effect Bowen future prospects. And now we find out that despite the fact that the University issued a statement that Bowen resigned in lieu of an investigation they have no contemporaneous evidence in support of that and Bowen denies it. So here we are, it's very clear, at least to me, that the public production of this document could harm Bowens position with fiture potential employers. So yes, at least in my opinion, the tables have turned and the University has some explaining to do. If they had no support they should have never produced this flimsy document to the public and let Bowens explanation stand.

Bowen's explanation is the very first reason people started asking why he was resigning. Bowen has been pursuing other opportunities since he arrived. There was no reason to resign to do what he has been doing his entire time here anyway.

The retracted letter still identifies the Assoc athletic director involved, if that person was getting advancements or special favors because of a “special” relationship then the school is obligated to investigate that. A look at Bowen’s cell phone calls and texts would probably be a good place to start.

All I get is
Radio silence
So lonely
No communication
Radio silence
Anybody? Can you hear me?
Need a little mercy
Gonna take a little faith to see
The mission
It all comes down to me.
And only me.