If you are over 40 white and born in a middle class family you had advantages that the poor white and blacks never had. Today 2019 those advantages are almost non existent overall for blacks. They are still there for the poor, white and black but more so the poor white male.

Hard work and being a little lucky can overcome a lot of hardships and disadvantages but 40 years ago this was still a who you know for the good jobs and getting you in the door. That has changed a lot but still a huge advantage. So I would say economic class has more to do with privilege than skin color

(05-13-2019 09:15 PM)Nittany_Bearcat Wrote:  I was told to "check my privilege" just this morning. I've been thinking about the incident quite a bit today.

There is a little eatery inside my office building. I go in there at 7 AM to get a breakfast burrito and water. The lady in front of me is in a wheelchair and has a service dog. I've seen her a few times before.

So she gets her food, but she drops her cookie (a sugar cookie) as she's wheeling away. Her dog sees the cookie hit the floor, and thinks it is now HIS cookie. He puts it in his mouth before being told "no." Regardless, the cookie is now ruined.

She's upset, and says "well, that was a wasted $2, now I don't get a cookie." Note that the eatery staff, which is good folk and would have given her another cookie if they noticed, haven't seen any of this.

I say, "don't worry about it, I'll buy one for you, on me."

Well, she got PISSED. "I don't need your financial assistance, you are only offering that because you think I'm helpless being handicapped - you wouldn't offer that $2 to an able-bodied person! Check your privilege! I'm no more in need of assistance to buy a cookie than others!"

I was a bit stunned by it all, but at the same time I do wonder if she was partially right (if it was someone else who dropped the cookie, would I have offered?).

The staff did notice by this point, and gave her another cookie.

I dont see this as privilege....

I see it more that you were in line with a nasty complaining bitchh with a chip on her shoulder. She probably goes through the day in the same mood even if she ate the cookie. If she could afford to buy another one that's what she should have done instead of letting others standing close by hear her complain

There's advantages to being white. The question is are they big enough to create social and economic disparities? No.

(05-13-2019 09:39 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  There's advantages to being white. The question is are they big enough to create social and economic disparities? No.

So the ability to receive higher education, pass down wealth, and have an employer that looks like you over the course of generations creates no social or economic disparities? I see.

(05-13-2019 09:58 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  So the ability to receive higher education, pass down wealth, and have an employer that looks like you over the course of generations

Literally millions of black, Asian, Hispanic and may other races are currently enjoying these same privileges in America today.

I don’t think you guys understand what white privilege is.

“White privilege (or white skin privilege) is the societal privilege that in some countries benefits white people over non-white people, particularly if they are otherwise under the same social, political, or economic circumstances. Academic perspectives such as critical race theory and whiteness studies use the concept to analyze how racism and racialized societies affect the lives of white or white-skinned people.

According to Peggy McIntosh, whites in Western societies enjoy advantages that non-whites do not experience, as "an invisible package of unearned assets".[1] White privilege denotes both obvious and less obvious passive advantages that white people may not recognize they have, which distinguishes it from overt bias or prejudice. These include cultural affirmations of one's own worth; presumed greater social status; and freedom to move, buy, work, play, and speak freely. The effects can be seen in professional, educational, and personal contexts. The concept of white privilege also implies the right to assume the universality of one's own experiences, marking others as different or exceptional while perceiving oneself as normal.”

(05-14-2019 04:15 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  I don’t think you guys understand what white privilege is.

“White privilege (or white skin privilege) is the societal privilege that in some countries benefits white people over non-white people, particularly if they are otherwise under the same social, political, or economic circumstances. Academic perspectives such as critical race theory and whiteness studies use the concept to analyze how racism and racialized societies affect the lives of white or white-skinned people.

According to Peggy McIntosh, whites in Western societies enjoy advantages that non-whites do not experience, as "an invisible package of unearned assets".[1] White privilege denotes both obvious and less obvious passive advantages that white people may not recognize they have, which distinguishes it from overt bias or prejudice. These include cultural affirmations of one's own worth; presumed greater social status; and freedom to move, buy, work, play, and speak freely. The effects can be seen in professional, educational, and personal contexts. The concept of white privilege also implies the right to assume the universality of one's own experiences, marking others as different or exceptional while perceiving oneself as normal.”

We understand exactly what it is, a tool to divide people and foment hatred along racial lines.

This is what the left does.

They can't win the free debate of ideas and issues, so they have to rely on creating division and hatred.

(05-14-2019 04:15 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  I don’t think you guys understand what white privilege is.

“White privilege (or white skin privilege) is the societal privilege that in some countries benefits white people over non-white people, particularly if they are otherwise under the same social, political, or economic circumstances. Academic perspectives such as critical race theory and whiteness studies use the concept to analyze how racism and racialized societies affect the lives of white or white-skinned people.

According to Peggy McIntosh, whites in Western societies enjoy advantages that non-whites do not experience, as "an invisible package of unearned assets".[1] White privilege denotes both obvious and less obvious passive advantages that white people may not recognize they have, which distinguishes it from overt bias or prejudice. These include cultural affirmations of one's own worth; presumed greater social status; and freedom to move, buy, work, play, and speak freely. The effects can be seen in professional, educational, and personal contexts. The concept of white privilege also implies the right to assume the universality of one's own experiences, marking others as different or exceptional while perceiving oneself as normal.”

I think you're making a mountain over a mole hill over something that is not an issue except for those looking for an excuse.

(05-13-2019 02:58 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Is male privilege real? How about height privilege?

Height privilege is - but us shorties get the last laugh by living longer.

(05-14-2019 06:50 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(05-13-2019 02:58 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Is male privilege real? How about height privilege?

Height privilege is - but us shorties get the last laugh by living longer.

Taller men get married sooner. No doubt in dating marriage women prefer taller men.

(05-13-2019 09:15 PM)Nittany_Bearcat Wrote:  I was told to "check my privilege" just this morning. I've been thinking about the incident quite a bit today.

There is a little eatery inside my office building. I go in there at 7 AM to get a breakfast burrito and water. The lady in front of me is in a wheelchair and has a service dog. I've seen her a few times before.

So she gets her food, but she drops her cookie (a sugar cookie) as she's wheeling away. Her dog sees the cookie hit the floor, and thinks it is now HIS cookie. He puts it in his mouth before being told "no." Regardless, the cookie is now ruined.

She's upset, and says "well, that was a wasted $2, now I don't get a cookie." Note that the eatery staff, which is good folk and would have given her another cookie if they noticed, haven't seen any of this.

I say, "don't worry about it, I'll buy one for you, on me."

Well, she got PISSED. "I don't need your financial assistance, you are only offering that because you think I'm helpless being handicapped - you wouldn't offer that $2 to an able-bodied person! Check your privilege! I'm no more in need of assistance to buy a cookie than others!"

I was a bit stunned by it all, but at the same time I do wonder if she was partially right (if it was someone else who dropped the cookie, would I have offered?).

The staff did notice by this point, and gave her another cookie.

Rather bitter, ungrateful person. No wonder she is so miserable. She's adding to her lack of privilege. Same thing applies to people who go looking for racism everywhere.

(05-13-2019 09:15 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  If you are over 40 white and born in a middle class family you had advantages that the poor white and blacks never had. Today 2019 those advantages are almost non existent overall for blacks. They are still there for the poor, white and black but more so the poor white male.

Hard work and being a little lucky can overcome a lot of hardships and disadvantages but 40 years ago this was still a who you know for the good jobs and getting you in the door. That has changed a lot but still a huge advantage. So I would say economic class has more to do with privilege than skin color

There is no class difference on employment now vs. 40 years ago. There is a little less sexism. Racism was limited by 1980 but it has continued to decrease. If you go back 50 years, there was more of a difference on racism and sexism, but not on class.

(05-14-2019 06:21 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(05-14-2019 04:15 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  I don’t think you guys understand what white privilege is.

“White privilege (or white skin privilege) is the societal privilege that in some countries benefits white people over non-white people, particularly if they are otherwise under the same social, political, or economic circumstances. Academic perspectives such as critical race theory and whiteness studies use the concept to analyze how racism and racialized societies affect the lives of white or white-skinned people.

According to Peggy McIntosh, whites in Western societies enjoy advantages that non-whites do not experience, as "an invisible package of unearned assets".[1] White privilege denotes both obvious and less obvious passive advantages that white people may not recognize they have, which distinguishes it from overt bias or prejudice. These include cultural affirmations of one's own worth; presumed greater social status; and freedom to move, buy, work, play, and speak freely. The effects can be seen in professional, educational, and personal contexts. The concept of white privilege also implies the right to assume the universality of one's own experiences, marking others as different or exceptional while perceiving oneself as normal.”

I think you're making a mountain over a mole hill over something that is not an issue except for those looking for an excuse.

Affirmation of one's own worth has nothing to do with skin color. Whites are more likely to commit suicide.
Presumption of social status has to do with the clothes you choose to wear.
There is no limit of freedom to move, buy, work or play freely.
If anything, white people have more limits on speaking freely.

(05-13-2019 09:58 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(05-13-2019 09:39 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  There's advantages to being white. The question is are they big enough to create social and economic disparities? No.

So the ability to receive higher education, pass down wealth, and have an employer that looks like you over the course of generations creates no social or economic disparities? I see.

Wait, blacks can't go to college?? They don't have ANY wealth at all to pass down?? And I don't wan't to work for someone just because they look like me. Do black people? Isn't that bigotry in and of itself?

Still batting .000.

(05-14-2019 04:57 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(05-14-2019 04:15 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  I don’t think you guys understand what white privilege is.

“White privilege (or white skin privilege) is the societal privilege that in some countries benefits white people over non-white people, particularly if they are otherwise under the same social, political, or economic circumstances. Academic perspectives such as critical race theory and whiteness studies use the concept to analyze how racism and racialized societies affect the lives of white or white-skinned people.

According to Peggy McIntosh, whites in Western societies enjoy advantages that non-whites do not experience, as "an invisible package of unearned assets".[1] White privilege denotes both obvious and less obvious passive advantages that white people may not recognize they have, which distinguishes it from overt bias or prejudice. These include cultural affirmations of one's own worth; presumed greater social status; and freedom to move, buy, work, play, and speak freely. The effects can be seen in professional, educational, and personal contexts. The concept of white privilege also implies the right to assume the universality of one's own experiences, marking others as different or exceptional while perceiving oneself as normal.”

We understand exactly what it is, a tool to divide people and foment hatred along racial lines.

This is what the left does.

They can't win the free debate of ideas and issues, so they have to rely on creating division and hatred.

Exactly right.

White privilege is a concept invented by upper class and upper middle class white liberals living in their urban bubbles who feel guilty about slavery and Jim Crow. I'd love to see one of them try to explain to a laid off factory worker with a high school education living in a county in Iowa with 0.5% Black people.

Its those people who assume the universality of their experiences and opinions, which is why there is such a divide in this country. There are more poor white people than poor Black people (not %, but actual numbers).

(05-14-2019 04:15 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  I don’t think you guys understand what white privilege is.

“White privilege (or white skin privilege) is the societal privilege that in some countries benefits white people over non-white people, particularly if they are otherwise under the same social, political, or economic circumstances. Academic perspectives such as critical race theory and whiteness studies use the concept to analyze how racism and racialized societies affect the lives of white or white-skinned people.

According to Peggy McIntosh, whites in Western societies enjoy advantages that non-whites do not experience, as "an invisible package of unearned assets".[1] White privilege denotes both obvious and less obvious passive advantages that white people may not recognize they have, which distinguishes it from overt bias or prejudice. These include cultural affirmations of one's own worth; presumed greater social status; and freedom to move, buy, work, play, and speak freely. The effects can be seen in professional, educational, and personal contexts. The concept of white privilege also implies the right to assume the universality of one's own experiences, marking others as different or exceptional while perceiving oneself as normal.”

I applaud your attempt to actually be a part of the conversation; however, I'm struggling to find any real tangible privilege in what you wrote. I call BS to most of that, as I can point to any number of non-whites that can or have done exactly what you point to as the basis or proof of privilege.

(05-14-2019 06:56 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(05-14-2019 06:50 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(05-13-2019 02:58 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Is male privilege real? How about height privilege?

Height privilege is - but us shorties get the last laugh by living longer.

Taller men get married sooner. No doubt in dating marriage women prefer taller men.

And that is an example of height privilege. A taller man wasn’t given anything but it is easier to move throughout society as a taller man.

There are assumptions made about male doctors(boss) vs female doctors(nurse) in medical settings. Most would agree that males gain advantages in their careers just by being male, not saying that they didn’t work hard for their achievements.

If we all can agree that there are distinct advantages to being male and being tall, where is the hang up when people say that there are advantages to being white? White privilege is not that you got something just because you are white, it’s that there are positive assumptions made about you. Recognize those advantages and try to avoid adding to past inequalities. Simple as that.

(05-14-2019 06:21 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(05-14-2019 04:15 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  I don’t think you guys understand what white privilege is.

“White privilege (or white skin privilege) is the societal privilege that in some countries benefits white people over non-white people, particularly if they are otherwise under the same social, political, or economic circumstances. Academic perspectives such as critical race theory and whiteness studies use the concept to analyze how racism and racialized societies affect the lives of white or white-skinned people.

According to Peggy McIntosh, whites in Western societies enjoy advantages that non-whites do not experience, as "an invisible package of unearned assets".[1] White privilege denotes both obvious and less obvious passive advantages that white people may not recognize they have, which distinguishes it from overt bias or prejudice. These include cultural affirmations of one's own worth; presumed greater social status; and freedom to move, buy, work, play, and speak freely. The effects can be seen in professional, educational, and personal contexts. The concept of white privilege also implies the right to assume the universality of one's own experiences, marking others as different or exceptional while perceiving oneself as normal.”

I think you're making a mountain over a mole hill over something that is not an issue except for those looking for an excuse.

Written by someone who it isn’t an issue for. That’s like someone from Montana telling somebody from Mississippi that hurricane recovery isn’t an issue except for those looking for an excuse.

(05-14-2019 07:38 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(05-14-2019 06:56 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(05-14-2019 06:50 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(05-13-2019 02:58 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Is male privilege real? How about height privilege?

Height privilege is - but us shorties get the last laugh by living longer.

Taller men get married sooner. No doubt in dating marriage women prefer taller men.

And that is an example of height privilege. A taller man wasn’t given anything but it is easier to move throughout society as a taller man.

There are assumptions made about male doctors(boss) vs female doctors(nurse) in medical settings. Most would agree that males gain advantages in their careers just by being male, not saying that they didn’t work hard for their achievements.

If we all can agree that there are distinct advantages to being male and being tall, where is the hang up when people say that there are advantages to being white? White privilege is not that you got something just because you are white, it’s that there are positive assumptions made about you. Recognize those advantages and try to avoid adding to past inequalities. Simple as that.

In large companies and the government, there are distinct advantages to not being white and not being male.