(05-14-2019 07:48 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-14-2019 07:38 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(05-14-2019 06:56 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(05-14-2019 06:50 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(05-13-2019 02:58 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Is male privilege real? How about height privilege?

Height privilege is - but us shorties get the last laugh by living longer.

Taller men get married sooner. No doubt in dating marriage women prefer taller men.

And that is an example of height privilege. A taller man wasn’t given anything but it is easier to move throughout society as a taller man.

There are assumptions made about male doctors(boss) vs female doctors(nurse) in medical settings. Most would agree that males gain advantages in their careers just by being male, not saying that they didn’t work hard for their achievements.

If we all can agree that there are distinct advantages to being male and being tall, where is the hang up when people say that there are advantages to being white? White privilege is not that you got something just because you are white, it’s that there are positive assumptions made about you. Recognize those advantages and try to avoid adding to past inequalities. Simple as that.

In large companies and the government, there are distinct advantages to not being white and not being male.

Hmmmmm, but yet somehow with all of these disadvantages they remain overwhelmingly white and male.*

(05-13-2019 09:15 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  If you are over 40 white and born in a middle class family you had advantages that the poor white and blacks never had. Today 2019 those advantages are almost non existent overall for blacks. They are still there for the poor, white and black but more so the poor white male.

Hard work and being a little lucky can overcome a lot of hardships and disadvantages but 40 years ago this was still a who you know for the good jobs and getting you in the door. That has changed a lot but still a huge advantage. So I would say economic class has more to do with privilege than skin color

Never considered baling hay and pitching manure to be "advantages".

Unless you consider instilling a work ethic to be the advantage.

(05-13-2019 02:58 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Is male privilege real? How about height privilege?

Maybe not, but there IS such a thing as privilege from being considered "attractive"....

https://culturacolectiva.com/fashion/pre...-bad-thing

There have also been studies where a woman with car trouble will get more offers for help if men consider her to be attractive.

Did some people have it better than others, no doubt? However, it's ALWAYS been that way.

IMO, "white privilege" is PC speak that substitutes for reasoned thought and discussion.

I thin the "white privilege" discussion happens in the wrong context. The far left "buzzword" people want to use it as a "oh, well you are white, therefore you will get the job" argument.

Instead you have to look at the affects that slavery and jim crow had on generations of black people.

Going back to when slavery was ended, you basically were left with mostly uneducated black people who had been slaves all their lives. They were promised, "40 acres and a mule", which was then rescinded. So now you have uneducated slaves with no land and no money. Well what do you think happens when those people have children? Those kids are then also uneducated, and still poor.

Then not only that, you had groups like the KKK that would force successful black people to relocate, or they would just get killed.

Then fast forward, Jim Crow laws didn't even end until 1965. So you still had black people who weren't allowed to get the same education as white people. They weren't offered the same jobs as white people, therefore their education and earning potential was severely limited.

Hundreds of years of keeping one particular race uneducated and poor, and then keeping them segregated from being a part of a free society doesn't get erased in one generation. So yeah, being white is a privilege because we were kept from being educated for generations, and then after being held has slaves for hundreds of years, weren't told we were free only to have no land, no education, and no money.

That's the discussion that should be had around white privilege, and not thins "oh, you only have this advantage because of your skin color". If that were the case, Asian people wouldn't be making more money and be more highly educated than white people.

I'm a professor. I've been told by foreigners of all races that they see a huge advantage to being non-white/non-Asian, and female in our profession in the USA.

They generally think that our race-based preference system is crazy, but at least it's not corrupt like their home countries.

This is just a foreign perspective. Then again, most foreigners are extremely racist against black people (not KKK-level hatred, just a general opinion that they're inferior). In fact, I've come around to thinking that the foreign domination of math-based fields makes racial preference systems a necessity.

(05-14-2019 07:38 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(05-14-2019 06:56 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(05-14-2019 06:50 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(05-13-2019 02:58 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Is male privilege real? How about height privilege?

Height privilege is - but us shorties get the last laugh by living longer.

Taller men get married sooner. No doubt in dating marriage women prefer taller men.

And that is an example of height privilege. A taller man wasn’t given anything but it is easier to move throughout society as a taller man.

There are assumptions made about male doctors(boss) vs female doctors(nurse) in medical settings. Most would agree that males gain advantages in their careers just by being male, not saying that they didn’t work hard for their achievements.

If we all can agree that there are distinct advantages to being male and being tall, where is the hang up when people say that there are advantages to being white? White privilege is not that you got something just because you are white, it’s that there are positive assumptions made about you. Recognize those advantages and try to avoid adding to past inequalities. Simple as that.

You are confusing stereotypes with privilege.

And as far as height privilege, there is a point where additional height becomes a burden on the individual and not a privilege. Talk to someone who is 6' 8" and above and see how "easy and privileged" their life is. Try finding clothes, sitting on a plane, etc.

My high school football coach said it best:

"If you're white, you're going to miss out on a job you want some day. If you're not white, you're going to miss out on a promotion some day. It's going to happen. That's the way the world works, but it won't dominate your life unless you let it."

(05-14-2019 07:43 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(05-14-2019 06:21 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(05-14-2019 04:15 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  I don’t think you guys understand what white privilege is.

“White privilege (or white skin privilege) is the societal privilege that in some countries benefits white people over non-white people, particularly if they are otherwise under the same social, political, or economic circumstances. Academic perspectives such as critical race theory and whiteness studies use the concept to analyze how racism and racialized societies affect the lives of white or white-skinned people.

According to Peggy McIntosh, whites in Western societies enjoy advantages that non-whites do not experience, as "an invisible package of unearned assets".[1] White privilege denotes both obvious and less obvious passive advantages that white people may not recognize they have, which distinguishes it from overt bias or prejudice. These include cultural affirmations of one's own worth; presumed greater social status; and freedom to move, buy, work, play, and speak freely. The effects can be seen in professional, educational, and personal contexts. The concept of white privilege also implies the right to assume the universality of one's own experiences, marking others as different or exceptional while perceiving oneself as normal.”

I think you're making a mountain over a mole hill over something that is not an issue except for those looking for an excuse.

Written by someone who it isn’t an issue for. That’s like someone from Montana telling somebody from Mississippi that hurricane recovery isn’t an issue except for those looking for an excuse.

Well obviously you know the obstacles I’ve had to overcome in my life and the sh*t I’ve seen better than I. Tell me how I’m wrong.

(05-14-2019 07:38 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(05-14-2019 06:56 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(05-14-2019 06:50 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(05-13-2019 02:58 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Is male privilege real? How about height privilege?

Height privilege is - but us shorties get the last laugh by living longer.

Taller men get married sooner. No doubt in dating marriage women prefer taller men.

And that is an example of height privilege. A taller man wasn’t given anything but it is easier to move throughout society as a taller man.

There are assumptions made about male doctors(boss) vs female doctors(nurse) in medical settings. Most would agree that males gain advantages in their careers just by being male, not saying that they didn’t work hard for their achievements.

If we all can agree that there are distinct advantages to being male and being tall, where is the hang up when people say that there are advantages to being white? White privilege is not that you got something just because you are white, it’s that there are positive assumptions made about you. Recognize those advantages and try to avoid adding to past inequalities. Simple as that.

Disagree. In USA people are usually judged on their behavior, speech, how they dress etc. In the a workplace enviro being tall or male is not really an advantage, it could be but not overwhelmingly.

(05-14-2019 08:40 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  I thin the "white privilege" discussion happens in the wrong context. The far left "buzzword" people want to use it as a "oh, well you are white, therefore you will get the job" argument.

Instead you have to look at the affects that slavery and jim crow had on generations of black people.

Going back to when slavery was ended, you basically were left with mostly uneducated black people who had been slaves all their lives. They were promised, "40 acres and a mule", which was then rescinded. So now you have uneducated slaves with no land and no money. Well what do you think happens when those people have children? Those kids are then also uneducated, and still poor.

Then not only that, you had groups like the KKK that would force successful black people to relocate, or they would just get killed.

Then fast forward, Jim Crow laws didn't even end until 1965. So you still had black people who weren't allowed to get the same education as white people. They weren't offered the same jobs as white people, therefore their education and earning potential was severely limited.

Hundreds of years of keeping one particular race uneducated and poor, and then keeping them segregated from being a part of a free society doesn't get erased in one generation. So yeah, being white is a privilege because we were kept from being educated for generations, and then after being held has slaves for hundreds of years, weren't told we were free only to have no land, no education, and no money.

That's the discussion that should be had around white privilege, and not thins "oh, you only have this advantage because of your skin color". If that were the case, Asian people wouldn't be making more money and be more highly educated than white people.

Now this is an interesting thought process...

I grew up in a moderate sized Ag and Textile NC city/town. My HS was 85-90% black when I graduated ('91). About half of the white students were in the accelerated/AP/Gifted & Talented classes, while only a small fraction of the black students; however, those classes were split fairly evenly black/white.

What I remember from that school was the most, if not all, of the students in the accelerated level classes had both a mother and father figure in the household. That pattern did not necessarily hold true for the remainder of the school.

I'm just not seeing the "white privilege" but I do see how children with both a mother and father figure outperformed those that did not have both. Of course, this is not an absolute either way.

(05-14-2019 09:01 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(05-14-2019 07:38 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(05-14-2019 06:56 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(05-14-2019 06:50 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(05-13-2019 02:58 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Is male privilege real? How about height privilege?

Height privilege is - but us shorties get the last laugh by living longer.

Taller men get married sooner. No doubt in dating marriage women prefer taller men.

And that is an example of height privilege. A taller man wasn’t given anything but it is easier to move throughout society as a taller man.

There are assumptions made about male doctors(boss) vs female doctors(nurse) in medical settings. Most would agree that males gain advantages in their careers just by being male, not saying that they didn’t work hard for their achievements.

If we all can agree that there are distinct advantages to being male and being tall, where is the hang up when people say that there are advantages to being white? White privilege is not that you got something just because you are white, it’s that there are positive assumptions made about you. Recognize those advantages and try to avoid adding to past inequalities. Simple as that.

You are confusing stereotypes with privilege.

And as far as height privilege, there is a point where additional height becomes a burden on the individual and not a privilege. Talk to someone who is 6' 8" and above and see how "easy and privileged" their life is. Try finding clothes, sitting on a plane, etc.

Stereotypes or assumptions play into privilege. Take those rich kids whose parents got them into USC. Students and teachers would never think to question if they belonged at USC, however, many would assume that black and brown students didn’t belong because of affirmative action.

If you are a tall (6’2”) white male, society would assume that you are the boss in an environment of shorter white males, minorities and women. Those are the images that we are feed and what we all (black, white, brown, Asian) are taught to think is normal.

(05-14-2019 08:40 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  I thin the "white privilege" discussion happens in the wrong context. The far left "buzzword" people want to use it as a "oh, well you are white, therefore you will get the job" argument.

Instead you have to look at the affects that slavery and jim crow had on generations of black people.

Going back to when slavery was ended, you basically were left with mostly uneducated black people who had been slaves all their lives. They were promised, "40 acres and a mule", which was then rescinded. So now you have uneducated slaves with no land and no money. Well what do you think happens when those people have children? Those kids are then also uneducated, and still poor.

Then not only that, you had groups like the KKK that would force successful black people to relocate, or they would just get killed.

Then fast forward, Jim Crow laws didn't even end until 1965. So you still had black people who weren't allowed to get the same education as white people. They weren't offered the same jobs as white people, therefore their education and earning potential was severely limited.

Hundreds of years of keeping one particular race uneducated and poor, and then keeping them segregated from being a part of a free society doesn't get erased in one generation. So yeah, being white is a privilege because we were kept from being educated for generations, and then after being held has slaves for hundreds of years, weren't told we were free only to have no land, no education, and no money.

That's the discussion that should be had around white privilege, and not thins "oh, you only have this advantage because of your skin color". If that were the case, Asian people wouldn't be making more money and be more highly educated than white people.

It’s going to take a legit 100-200 years to overcome the legacy of slavery and Jim Crow.

(05-14-2019 09:11 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(05-14-2019 08:40 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  I thin the "white privilege" discussion happens in the wrong context. The far left "buzzword" people want to use it as a "oh, well you are white, therefore you will get the job" argument.

Instead you have to look at the affects that slavery and jim crow had on generations of black people.

Going back to when slavery was ended, you basically were left with mostly uneducated black people who had been slaves all their lives. They were promised, "40 acres and a mule", which was then rescinded. So now you have uneducated slaves with no land and no money. Well what do you think happens when those people have children? Those kids are then also uneducated, and still poor.

Then not only that, you had groups like the KKK that would force successful black people to relocate, or they would just get killed.

Then fast forward, Jim Crow laws didn't even end until 1965. So you still had black people who weren't allowed to get the same education as white people. They weren't offered the same jobs as white people, therefore their education and earning potential was severely limited.

Hundreds of years of keeping one particular race uneducated and poor, and then keeping them segregated from being a part of a free society doesn't get erased in one generation. So yeah, being white is a privilege because we were kept from being educated for generations, and then after being held has slaves for hundreds of years, weren't told we were free only to have no land, no education, and no money.

That's the discussion that should be had around white privilege, and not thins "oh, you only have this advantage because of your skin color". If that were the case, Asian people wouldn't be making more money and be more highly educated than white people.

Now this is an interesting thought process...

I grew up in a moderate sized Ag and Textile NC city/town. My HS was 85-90% black when I graduated ('91). About half of the white students were in the accelerated/AP/Gifted & Talented classes, while only a small fraction of the black students; however, those classes were split fairly evenly black/white.

What I remember from that school was the most, if not all, of the students in the accelerated level classes had both a mother and father figure in the household. That pattern did not necessarily hold true for the remainder of the school.

I'm just not seeing the "white privilege" but I do see how children with both a mother and father figure outperformed those that did not have both. Of course, this is not an absolute either way.

I think lack of fathers in the home is a big part of it but an epidemic that effects the entire country. That could be another thread. Typically poorer households lack fathers.

(05-14-2019 09:18 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(05-14-2019 09:01 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(05-14-2019 07:38 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(05-14-2019 06:56 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(05-14-2019 06:50 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Height privilege is - but us shorties get the last laugh by living longer.

Taller men get married sooner. No doubt in dating marriage women prefer taller men.

And that is an example of height privilege. A taller man wasn’t given anything but it is easier to move throughout society as a taller man.

There are assumptions made about male doctors(boss) vs female doctors(nurse) in medical settings. Most would agree that males gain advantages in their careers just by being male, not saying that they didn’t work hard for their achievements.

If we all can agree that there are distinct advantages to being male and being tall, where is the hang up when people say that there are advantages to being white? White privilege is not that you got something just because you are white, it’s that there are positive assumptions made about you. Recognize those advantages and try to avoid adding to past inequalities. Simple as that.

You are confusing stereotypes with privilege.

And as far as height privilege, there is a point where additional height becomes a burden on the individual and not a privilege. Talk to someone who is 6' 8" and above and see how "easy and privileged" their life is. Try finding clothes, sitting on a plane, etc.

Stereotypes or assumptions play into privilege. Take those rich kids whose parents got them into USC. Students and teachers would never think to question if they belonged at USC, however, many would assume that black and brown students didn’t belong because of affirmative action.

If you are a tall (6’2”) white male, society would assume that you are the boss in an environment of shorter white males, minorities and women. Those are the images that we are feed and what we all (black, white, brown, Asian) are taught to think is normal.

Southern Cal has been known as Univ of spoiled children forever. They take legacies also. Sometimes people do question AA's admissions because universities freely admit to accepting AA's with lower grades and test scores. There is a AA student group that is mad at the number of Caribbean and African blacks at Harvard, who get it on merit lol.

(05-14-2019 09:18 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(05-14-2019 09:01 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(05-14-2019 07:38 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(05-14-2019 06:56 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(05-14-2019 06:50 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Height privilege is - but us shorties get the last laugh by living longer.

Taller men get married sooner. No doubt in dating marriage women prefer taller men.

And that is an example of height privilege. A taller man wasn’t given anything but it is easier to move throughout society as a taller man.

There are assumptions made about male doctors(boss) vs female doctors(nurse) in medical settings. Most would agree that males gain advantages in their careers just by being male, not saying that they didn’t work hard for their achievements.

If we all can agree that there are distinct advantages to being male and being tall, where is the hang up when people say that there are advantages to being white? White privilege is not that you got something just because you are white, it’s that there are positive assumptions made about you. Recognize those advantages and try to avoid adding to past inequalities. Simple as that.

You are confusing stereotypes with privilege.

And as far as height privilege, there is a point where additional height becomes a burden on the individual and not a privilege. Talk to someone who is 6' 8" and above and see how "easy and privileged" their life is. Try finding clothes, sitting on a plane, etc.

Stereotypes or assumptions play into privilege. Take those rich kids whose parents got them into USC. Students and teachers would never think to question if they belonged at USC, however, many would assume that black and brown students didn’t belong because of affirmative action.

If you are a tall (6’2”) white male, society would assume that you are the boss in an environment of shorter white males, minorities and women. Those are the images that we are feed and what we all (black, white, brown, Asian) are taught to think is normal.

I was not taught to think of these things as normal.

I've noticed that leftists tend to have much stronger culturally-formed opinions about what is "normal."

Essentially, if you grew up being told that everyone has the same opportunities, you're probably on the right. But if you grew up being told that tall white men are the leaders, you're probably on the left.

(05-14-2019 09:39 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(05-14-2019 09:18 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(05-14-2019 09:01 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(05-14-2019 07:38 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(05-14-2019 06:56 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Taller men get married sooner. No doubt in dating marriage women prefer taller men.

And that is an example of height privilege. A taller man wasn’t given anything but it is easier to move throughout society as a taller man.

There are assumptions made about male doctors(boss) vs female doctors(nurse) in medical settings. Most would agree that males gain advantages in their careers just by being male, not saying that they didn’t work hard for their achievements.

If we all can agree that there are distinct advantages to being male and being tall, where is the hang up when people say that there are advantages to being white? White privilege is not that you got something just because you are white, it’s that there are positive assumptions made about you. Recognize those advantages and try to avoid adding to past inequalities. Simple as that.

You are confusing stereotypes with privilege.

And as far as height privilege, there is a point where additional height becomes a burden on the individual and not a privilege. Talk to someone who is 6' 8" and above and see how "easy and privileged" their life is. Try finding clothes, sitting on a plane, etc.

Stereotypes or assumptions play into privilege. Take those rich kids whose parents got them into USC. Students and teachers would never think to question if they belonged at USC, however, many would assume that black and brown students didn’t belong because of affirmative action.

If you are a tall (6’2”) white male, society would assume that you are the boss in an environment of shorter white males, minorities and women. Those are the images that we are feed and what we all (black, white, brown, Asian) are taught to think is normal.

I was not taught to think of these things as normal.

I've noticed that leftists tend to have much stronger culturally-formed opinions about what is "normal."

Essentially, if you grew up being told that everyone has the same opportunities, you're probably on the right. But if you grew up being told that tall white men are the leaders, you're probably on the left.

maybe it's why most women on the far left are ugly. They are told from the beginning that pretty women have it made and are given everything, so they in turn become angry and spiteful. lol

That's not cool...

(05-14-2019 09:39 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(05-14-2019 09:18 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(05-14-2019 09:01 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(05-14-2019 07:38 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(05-14-2019 06:56 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Taller men get married sooner. No doubt in dating marriage women prefer taller men.

And that is an example of height privilege. A taller man wasn’t given anything but it is easier to move throughout society as a taller man.

There are assumptions made about male doctors(boss) vs female doctors(nurse) in medical settings. Most would agree that males gain advantages in their careers just by being male, not saying that they didn’t work hard for their achievements.

If we all can agree that there are distinct advantages to being male and being tall, where is the hang up when people say that there are advantages to being white? White privilege is not that you got something just because you are white, it’s that there are positive assumptions made about you. Recognize those advantages and try to avoid adding to past inequalities. Simple as that.

You are confusing stereotypes with privilege.

And as far as height privilege, there is a point where additional height becomes a burden on the individual and not a privilege. Talk to someone who is 6' 8" and above and see how "easy and privileged" their life is. Try finding clothes, sitting on a plane, etc.

Stereotypes or assumptions play into privilege. Take those rich kids whose parents got them into USC. Students and teachers would never think to question if they belonged at USC, however, many would assume that black and brown students didn’t belong because of affirmative action.

If you are a tall (6’2”) white male, society would assume that you are the boss in an environment of shorter white males, minorities and women. Those are the images that we are feed and what we all (black, white, brown, Asian) are taught to think is normal.

I was not taught to think of these things as normal.

I've noticed that leftists tend to have much stronger culturally-formed opinions about what is "normal."

Essentially, if you grew up being told that everyone has the same opportunities, you're probably on the right. But if you grew up being told that tall white men are the leaders, you're probably on the left.

I don’t know how old you are but pick up almost any magazine or turn on nearly any tv show (there are exceptions), certain groups of people play certain stereotypical roles. That’s where most children get their information about what is normal. That’s very powerful.

(05-14-2019 09:41 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  

(05-14-2019 09:39 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(05-14-2019 09:18 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(05-14-2019 09:01 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(05-14-2019 07:38 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  And that is an example of height privilege. A taller man wasn’t given anything but it is easier to move throughout society as a taller man.

There are assumptions made about male doctors(boss) vs female doctors(nurse) in medical settings. Most would agree that males gain advantages in their careers just by being male, not saying that they didn’t work hard for their achievements.

If we all can agree that there are distinct advantages to being male and being tall, where is the hang up when people say that there are advantages to being white? White privilege is not that you got something just because you are white, it’s that there are positive assumptions made about you. Recognize those advantages and try to avoid adding to past inequalities. Simple as that.

You are confusing stereotypes with privilege.

And as far as height privilege, there is a point where additional height becomes a burden on the individual and not a privilege. Talk to someone who is 6' 8" and above and see how "easy and privileged" their life is. Try finding clothes, sitting on a plane, etc.

Stereotypes or assumptions play into privilege. Take those rich kids whose parents got them into USC. Students and teachers would never think to question if they belonged at USC, however, many would assume that black and brown students didn’t belong because of affirmative action.

If you are a tall (6’2”) white male, society would assume that you are the boss in an environment of shorter white males, minorities and women. Those are the images that we are feed and what we all (black, white, brown, Asian) are taught to think is normal.

I was not taught to think of these things as normal.

I've noticed that leftists tend to have much stronger culturally-formed opinions about what is "normal."

Essentially, if you grew up being told that everyone has the same opportunities, you're probably on the right. But if you grew up being told that tall white men are the leaders, you're probably on the left.

maybe it's why most women on the far left are ugly. They are told from the beginning that pretty women have it made and are given everything, so they in turn become angry and spiteful. lol

Exhibit A why GTS complains that liberals don’t contribute on this board. It’s much easier to troll comments like this or to simply log off.