(04-27-2019 02:58 PM)Potomac Wrote:  I count 6 FCS and 4 D2. Nearly as many D2 as FCS.

13 I-AA and 5 Div II drafted.

I-AA:
-1st Rd/23rd pick Texans: OT Tytus Howard, Alabama St.
-2nd Rd/60th pick Chargers: Safety Nasir Adderly, UD.
3rd Rd
-84th pick Cheifs: DT Khalen Saunders, WIU.
-98th pick Jaguars: Safety Quincy Williams, Murray St.
-5th Rd/166th pick Chargers: QB Easton Stick, NDSU.
6th Rd
-189th pick Browns: OG Drew Forbes, SEMO.
-193rd pick Viking: OT Oli Udoh, Elon.
7th Rd:
-223rd pick Bengals: CB Jordan Brown, SDSU.
-225th pick Bills: DE Darryl Johnson, NC A&T.
-229th pick Redskins: CB Jimmy Moreland, JMU.
-230th pick Raiders: DE Quinton Bell, Prairie View.
-244th pick Saints: LB Kaden Ellis, Idaho.
-248th pick Cardinals: OT Joshua Mills, Morgan St.

(04-27-2019 05:48 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(04-27-2019 02:58 PM)Potomac Wrote:  I count 6 FCS and 4 D2. Nearly as many D2 as FCS.

Final Count I got 11 and 5. Did I miss anyone?

I-AA:
-1st Rd/23rd pick Texans: OT Tytus Howard, Alabama St.
-2nd Rd/60th pick Chargers: Safety Nasir Adderly, UD.
-3rd Rd/99th pick Jaguars: Safety Quincy Williams, Murray St.
-5th Rd/167th pick Chargers: QB Easton Stick, NDSU.
6th Rd
-191st pick Browns: OG Drew Forbes, SEMO.
-195th pick Viking: OT Oli Udoh, Elon.
7th Rd:
-225th pick Bengals: CB Jordan Brown, SDSU.
-229th pick Redskins: CB Jimmy Moreland, JMU.
-232 pick Raiders: DE Quinton Bell, Prairie View.
-246 pick Saints: LB Kaden Ellis, Idaho
-250 pick Cardinals: OT Joshua Mills, Morgan St.

I don’t have the full list but I saw online that there were 13 FCS. The worst season for the subdivision in at least a decade.

(04-27-2019 06:04 PM)Potomac Wrote:  

(04-27-2019 05:48 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(04-27-2019 02:58 PM)Potomac Wrote:  I count 6 FCS and 4 D2. Nearly as many D2 as FCS.

Final Count I got 11 and 5. Did I miss anyone?

I-AA:
-1st Rd/23rd pick Texans: OT Tytus Howard, Alabama St.
-2nd Rd/60th pick Chargers: Safety Nasir Adderly, UD.
-3rd Rd/99th pick Jaguars: Safety Quincy Williams, Murray St.
-5th Rd/167th pick Chargers: QB Easton Stick, NDSU.
6th Rd
-191st pick Browns: OG Drew Forbes, SEMO.
-195th pick Viking: OT Oli Udoh, Elon.
7th Rd:
-225th pick Bengals: CB Jordan Brown, SDSU.
-229th pick Redskins: CB Jimmy Moreland, JMU.
-232 pick Raiders: DE Quinton Bell, Prairie View.
-246 pick Saints: LB Kaden Ellis, Idaho
-250 pick Cardinals: OT Joshua Mills, Morgan St.

I don’t have the full list but I saw online that there were 13 FCS. The worst season for the subdivision in at least a decade.

I left off Khalen Saunders, 3rd Rd pick by the Chiefs out of WIU, and Daryl Johnston, 7th Rd pick by the Bills out of NC A&T. The tracker I was using on the smart phone just showed ‘North Carolina’. It cut off the ‘A&T’, so I assumed that was a Tarhole pick.

Yeah, a low for this decade.
http://www.espn.com/espn/wire?section=ncf&id=26620776

But the below 4 draft rankings only had between 8 and 13 being drafted.
https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-draft-prosp...ml?src=rss

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(04-27-2019 04:07 PM)Potomac Wrote:  

(04-27-2019 04:04 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  Morelands problem is his size measureables- 5’10”/179. Most of the drafted corners have been 5’11”-6’1”, weight 190s to low 200s. Maybe only 1-2 drafted that were as short as 5’10”. Don’t know if any have weighed less than low 190s. Heck, one was listed at 6’3”, I think 213..

Yes. This is the main reason why so many teams are passing on him.

Moreland was the 30th of 32 CBs drafted. The only one smaller was 1 of those 4 graded lower than Moreland, the 5’9/173 Kansas St CB, the smallest and lowest graded of the 32 CBs drafted, taken 6th Rd by the Bears. For whatever reason the Bears decided to take him instead if Moreland.

For the first time ever, JMU has a player drafted in a year Tech has no player drafted. The Chokies end a 25 year drafted player streak.

Oh how the mighty have fallen. Now back to your regularly scheduled thread about how our athletic program is the laughing stock of D1 athletics.

They really did Jimmy a disservice after his great Senior Bowl performance by not including him in the NFL combine. No matter what his measurables would have been there he would have wound up getting picked a lot higher. A lot of teams and rankings really only focus on kids who go through the combine.

Bryan Schor tweeted that he has been released from his CFL contract.

(04-27-2019 08:38 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(04-27-2019 04:07 PM)Potomac Wrote:  

(04-27-2019 04:04 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  Morelands problem is his size measureables- 5’10”/179. Most of the drafted corners have been 5’11”-6’1”, weight 190s to low 200s. Maybe only 1-2 drafted that were as short as 5’10”. Don’t know if any have weighed less than low 190s. Heck, one was listed at 6’3”, I think 213..

Yes. This is the main reason why so many teams are passing on him.

Moreland was the 30th of 32 CBs drafted. The only one smaller was 1 of those 4 graded lower than Moreland, the 5’9/173 Kansas St CB, the smallest and lowest graded of the 32 CBs drafted, taken 6th Rd by the Bears. For whatever reason the Bears decided to take him instead if Moreland.

My thinking is that there is a bias against the FCS guy, that he's too good to be true, perhaps? Better to take a Big conference guy from somewhere else, K-State ugh. It also seemed that the longer Jimmy was under the microscope, those draft guy gurus started putting more emphasis on how many PIs he had and how small he was. Jimmy passed the "eye" test when he got his chance in those post season events. It was staring you in the face, believe it. So like others have thought, I am back to rooting for the Redskins. (I love Arthur Moats but it was really tough rooting for those Steelers.)

In case you haven't seen this one, TJ Eck ran a highlight clip of Jimmy. Turn the volume up and listen to the crowd noise, gave me chills, especially when one of the clips was from that Bridgeforth East location and that 100 yard return.

https://twitter.com/TJEck_TV/status/1120758913614348288

Yeah I had the same thought when watching that TJ clip. It’s really sad on UR’s part that their fans care so little to allow a visiting crowd to totally consume their stadium like JMU fans do. WM fans do too to a lesser extent.

That roar at the RU stadium was actually just me by myself.

(04-28-2019 06:33 AM)Potomac Wrote:  For the first time ever, JMU has a player drafted in a year Tech has no player drafted. The Chokies end a 25 year drafted player streak.

Oh how the mighty have fallen. Now back to your regularly scheduled thread about how our athletic program is the laughing stock of D1 athletics.

Also, Tennessee and Louisville were shut out...which is kinda mind boggling, especially the Vols.

(04-28-2019 07:49 AM)jmuroadwarrior Wrote:  

(04-27-2019 08:38 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(04-27-2019 04:07 PM)Potomac Wrote:  

(04-27-2019 04:04 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  Morelands problem is his size measureables- 5’10”/179. Most of the drafted corners have been 5’11”-6’1”, weight 190s to low 200s. Maybe only 1-2 drafted that were as short as 5’10”. Don’t know if any have weighed less than low 190s. Heck, one was listed at 6’3”, I think 213..

Yes. This is the main reason why so many teams are passing on him.

Moreland was the 30th of 32 CBs drafted. The only one smaller was 1 of those 4 graded lower than Moreland, the 5’9/173 Kansas St CB, the smallest and lowest graded of the 32 CBs drafted, taken 6th Rd by the Bears. For whatever reason the Bears decided to take him instead if Moreland.

My thinking is that there is a bias against the FCS guy, that he's too good to be true, perhaps? Better to take a Big conference guy from somewhere else, K-State ugh. It also seemed that the longer Jimmy was under the microscope, those draft guy gurus started putting more emphasis on how many PIs he had and how small he was. Jimmy passed the "eye" test when he got his chance in those post season events. It was staring you in the face, believe it. So like others have thought, I am back to rooting for the Redskins. (I love Arthur Moats but it was really tough rooting for those Steelers.)

In case you haven't seen this one, TJ Eck ran a highlight clip of Jimmy. Turn the volume up and listen to the crowd noise, gave me chills, especially when one of the clips was from that Bridgeforth East location and that 100 yard return.

https://twitter.com/TJEck_TV/status/1120758913614348288

Delaware had a DB drafted in the 2nd round .

TEXANS drafted a FCS lineman in the first.

(04-28-2019 07:49 AM)jmuroadwarrior Wrote:  

(04-27-2019 08:38 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(04-27-2019 04:07 PM)Potomac Wrote:  

(04-27-2019 04:04 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  Morelands problem is his size measureables- 5’10”/179. Most of the drafted corners have been 5’11”-6’1”, weight 190s to low 200s. Maybe only 1-2 drafted that were as short as 5’10”. Don’t know if any have weighed less than low 190s. Heck, one was listed at 6’3”, I think 213..

Yes. This is the main reason why so many teams are passing on him.

Moreland was the 30th of 32 CBs drafted. The only one smaller was 1 of those 4 graded lower than Moreland, the 5’9/173 Kansas St CB, the smallest and lowest graded of the 32 CBs drafted, taken 6th Rd by the Bears. For whatever reason the Bears decided to take him instead if Moreland.

My thinking is that there is a bias against the FCS guy, that he's too good to be true, perhaps? Better to take a Big conference guy from somewhere else, K-State ugh. It also seemed that the longer Jimmy was under the microscope, those draft guy gurus started putting more emphasis on how many PIs he had and how small he was. Jimmy passed the "eye" test when he got his chance in those post season events. It was staring you in the face, believe it. So like others have thought, I am back to rooting for the Redskins. (I love Arthur Moats but it was really tough rooting for those Steelers.)

In case you haven't seen this one, TJ Eck ran a highlight clip of Jimmy. Turn the volume up and listen to the crowd noise, gave me chills, especially when one of the clips was from that Bridgeforth East location and that 100 yard return.

https://twitter.com/TJEck_TV/status/1120758913614348288

I agree. The K-State CB pick by the Bears was a real head scratcher. The only way to explain it is bias against FCS players.

(04-28-2019 11:33 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(04-28-2019 07:49 AM)jmuroadwarrior Wrote:  

(04-27-2019 08:38 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(04-27-2019 04:07 PM)Potomac Wrote:  

(04-27-2019 04:04 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  Morelands problem is his size measureables- 5’10”/179. Most of the drafted corners have been 5’11”-6’1”, weight 190s to low 200s. Maybe only 1-2 drafted that were as short as 5’10”. Don’t know if any have weighed less than low 190s. Heck, one was listed at 6’3”, I think 213..

Yes. This is the main reason why so many teams are passing on him.

Moreland was the 30th of 32 CBs drafted. The only one smaller was 1 of those 4 graded lower than Moreland, the 5’9/173 Kansas St CB, the smallest and lowest graded of the 32 CBs drafted, taken 6th Rd by the Bears. For whatever reason the Bears decided to take him instead if Moreland.

My thinking is that there is a bias against the FCS guy, that he's too good to be true, perhaps? Better to take a Big conference guy from somewhere else, K-State ugh. It also seemed that the longer Jimmy was under the microscope, those draft guy gurus started putting more emphasis on how many PIs he had and how small he was. Jimmy passed the "eye" test when he got his chance in those post season events. It was staring you in the face, believe it. So like others have thought, I am back to rooting for the Redskins. (I love Arthur Moats but it was really tough rooting for those Steelers.)

In case you haven't seen this one, TJ Eck ran a highlight clip of Jimmy. Turn the volume up and listen to the crowd noise, gave me chills, especially when one of the clips was from that Bridgeforth East location and that 100 yard return.

https://twitter.com/TJEck_TV/status/1120758913614348288

I agree. The K-State CB pick by the Bears was a real head scratcher. The only way to explain it is bias against FCS players.

I don't think so , that CB played 7 games in 2018 and still went 1st/2nd team all big 12, he played in 37 games in the big12. He dropped because of his foot injury but still ran a 4.46 for his pro day. Pick could have went either way ........

Congrats to Jimmy, hope he can keep playing above his size and make it in the NFL.

The NFL has experts analyzing talent, and their job security is tied to how well they evaluate players. If they overlook small school players it's mostly due to the lack of tape (and awareness) against better competition.

So yeah, a CB from Kansas State that's matching up well against elite receivers from Oklahoma, West Virginia, and Baylor is going to get taken over a CB that matches up against FCS receivers. IDK, maybe tape of Jimmy against Kelvin Harmon helped his cause but FCS players have an uphill climb against their P5 peers.

(04-28-2019 12:08 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(04-28-2019 11:33 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(04-28-2019 07:49 AM)jmuroadwarrior Wrote:  

(04-27-2019 08:38 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(04-27-2019 04:07 PM)Potomac Wrote:  Yes. This is the main reason why so many teams are passing on him.

Moreland was the 30th of 32 CBs drafted. The only one smaller was 1 of those 4 graded lower than Moreland, the 5’9/173 Kansas St CB, the smallest and lowest graded of the 32 CBs drafted, taken 6th Rd by the Bears. For whatever reason the Bears decided to take him instead if Moreland.

My thinking is that there is a bias against the FCS guy, that he's too good to be true, perhaps? Better to take a Big conference guy from somewhere else, K-State ugh. It also seemed that the longer Jimmy was under the microscope, those draft guy gurus started putting more emphasis on how many PIs he had and how small he was. Jimmy passed the "eye" test when he got his chance in those post season events. It was staring you in the face, believe it. So like others have thought, I am back to rooting for the Redskins. (I love Arthur Moats but it was really tough rooting for those Steelers.)

In case you haven't seen this one, TJ Eck ran a highlight clip of Jimmy. Turn the volume up and listen to the crowd noise, gave me chills, especially when one of the clips was from that Bridgeforth East location and that 100 yard return.

https://twitter.com/TJEck_TV/status/1120758913614348288

I agree. The K-State CB pick by the Bears was a real head scratcher. The only way to explain it is bias against FCS players.

I don't think so , that CB played 7 games in 2018 and still went 1st/2nd team all big 12, he played in 37 games in the big12. He dropped because of his foot injury but still ran a 4.46 for his pro day. Pick could have went either way ........

So we have a Big XII CB that was injured, and who's measurables (height, weight, speed and the rest of the stuff the scouts make a big deal out of) vs. an uninjured first-team FCS AA who's measurables are equal to (or better) than the Big XII player, and that has consistently demonstrated over his playing career that he's a ball-hawk on D and a beast on special-teams. Da Bears made their choice to go with the FBS player, but that strikes me as an anti-FCS bias. It's a different team ownership and GM/Coaching staff than the one that once-upon-a-time drafted Walter Payton, but I'm placing my money on JM to make Da Bears regret taking a flyer on the K-State kid.

(04-28-2019 12:58 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(04-28-2019 12:08 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(04-28-2019 11:33 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(04-28-2019 07:49 AM)jmuroadwarrior Wrote:  

(04-27-2019 08:38 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  Moreland was the 30th of 32 CBs drafted. The only one smaller was 1 of those 4 graded lower than Moreland, the 5’9/173 Kansas St CB, the smallest and lowest graded of the 32 CBs drafted, taken 6th Rd by the Bears. For whatever reason the Bears decided to take him instead if Moreland.

My thinking is that there is a bias against the FCS guy, that he's too good to be true, perhaps? Better to take a Big conference guy from somewhere else, K-State ugh. It also seemed that the longer Jimmy was under the microscope, those draft guy gurus started putting more emphasis on how many PIs he had and how small he was. Jimmy passed the "eye" test when he got his chance in those post season events. It was staring you in the face, believe it. So like others have thought, I am back to rooting for the Redskins. (I love Arthur Moats but it was really tough rooting for those Steelers.)

In case you haven't seen this one, TJ Eck ran a highlight clip of Jimmy. Turn the volume up and listen to the crowd noise, gave me chills, especially when one of the clips was from that Bridgeforth East location and that 100 yard return.

https://twitter.com/TJEck_TV/status/1120758913614348288

I agree. The K-State CB pick by the Bears was a real head scratcher. The only way to explain it is bias against FCS players.

I don't think so , that CB played 7 games in 2018 and still went 1st/2nd team all big 12, he played in 37 games in the big12. He dropped because of his foot injury but still ran a 4.46 for his pro day. Pick could have went either way ........

So we have a Big XII CB that was injured, and who's measurables (height, weight, speed and the rest of the stuff the scouts make a big deal out of) vs. an uninjured first-team FCS AA who's measurables are equal to (or better) than the Big XII player, and that has consistently demonstrated over his playing career that he's a ball-hawk on D and a beast on special-teams. Da Bears made their choice to go with the FBS player, but that strikes me as an anti-FCS bias. It's a different team ownership and GM/Coaching staff than the one that once-upon-a-time drafted Walter Payton, but I'm placing my money on JM to make Da Bears regret taking a flyer on the K-State kid.

The Bears did bring JM on a visit a couple of weeks ago. Another reason why I don't think is any bias. And it's a very late pick so you can gamble the way you choose.

(04-28-2019 12:58 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  So we have a Big XII CB that was injured, and who's measurables (height, weight, speed and the rest of the stuff the scouts make a big deal out of) vs. an uninjured first-team FCS AA who's measurables are equal to (or better) than the Big XII player, and that has consistently demonstrated over his playing career that he's a ball-hawk on D and a beast on special-teams. Da Bears made their choice to go with the FBS player, but that strikes me as an anti-FCS bias. It's a different team ownership and GM/Coaching staff than the one that once-upon-a-time drafted Walter Payton, but I'm placing my money on JM to make Da Bears regret taking a flyer on the K-State kid.

Oh you know Jimmy is pissed. He's tweeted as much. I'm sure he was irked at every lower ranked P5 CB that came off the board before him. That Kansas State CB is the perfect example. I remembered thinking at the time his name came up, "how the hell did they pick him when he's lower ranked then Jimmy? May as well draft the other P5 CBs that actually were ranked ahead of Jimmy at the time." Whoever made that draft decision is a moron. There were many better options available, why take the current 6th or so best remaining CB?