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Am I missing something here. What about Kithcart? We are looking for 2 point guards??? Guess it is the same old same old with Jeff. Anybody who is aggressive on the offensive end, and plays with good pace has no chance.

(04-23-2019 09:19 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Am I missing something here. What about Kithcart? We are looking for 2 point guards??? Guess it is the same old same old with Jeff. Anybody who is aggressive on the offensive end, and plays with good pace has no chance.

I was thinking about that also. I think it's more to do with succession than kithcart. We will have to true pg's that will graduate together in 2 seasons now. I'd like to see another to rs behind them.

You aren't missing anything, unfortunately. Our days of organically developing veteran teams to a system within a hierarchy are over. They say you cannot do that anymore. Now you have to scramble for Band Aids each spring/summer and start from scratch each fall. The P5s are loving it. Unless it turns out this guy is the next Ja Morant, this will likely do more harm than good... especially if it means Kithcart sits on the bench stewing in resentment.

I doubt JJ brought Curry in to sit behind Kithcart, and we all know, JJ does not do multiple point guards. The starter will play at least 30 minutes per game, probably more like 35+. The recruiting focus suggests that Kithcart is not in the plans at point, and with X, Oliver, Godwin, Wade on the wings, there isn't much chance he is going to get many minutes there either. Unfortunately, the writing is on the wall for Justice. I would be surprised if he doesn't transfer at this point, especially if he can manage to graduate before his eligibility runs out.

I'm not convinced Kithcart is the answer. I saw occasions of poor production by the team when he penetrated. Either he got his shot blocked, got in too deep to score, got cut off from dishing out...whatever, it just seemed like the offense stuttered when he was doing more than sitting outside and shooting. I'm not sure he is a facilitator. Granted he was in the shadow of Caver even when on the court. It wasn't like he had that many reps with Caver on the bench.

Therefore, I'm glad for Curry's commitment. Like Bit_9 said, both of these guys graduate in two seasons. We should get a HS PG now with the intent to redshirt next year.

Lastly, agree, another big body grad transfer would be awesome. Reece will not be that body inside.

So way to early starting lineup: Curry, Godwin/Oliver, Green, Kalu and Dickens.

Perhaps they are not convinced that Kithcart is the answer at PG. Perhaps they believe that adding competition at the position will make it stronger and improve both players. I don't think depth at what might be the most important position on the court, the guy who runs your offense, is a bad thing.

(04-23-2019 09:35 AM)jumpshooter Wrote:  Perhaps they are not convinced that Kithcart is the answer at PG. Perhaps they believe that adding competition at the position will make it stronger and improve both players. I don't think depth at what might be the most important position on the court, the guy who runs your offense, is a bad thing.

Would it motivate you if they hired someone from outside your organization to take on some of your responsibilities and change the way things are done?

Well, everyone responds differently to motivational tactics, but probably not. You would probably start looking for another job. Best practices today says the best way to motivate an individual is to empower them.

I don't find that to be the case with athletes, and I've been around a lot, at the highest level. Competition motivates the best of them, as well as inner drive to succeed. I don't know anything about Kithcart's personality, so you may be correct that he'll tuck his tail and sulk. But I'm skeptical.

My understanding is there is concern about Kithcart's grades and he has work to do this summer...

(04-23-2019 08:06 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 02:21 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  I will wait and see, but seems sort of like a panic move to ensure we get someone at that spot. I do think uncertainty of his health affected our recruiting this year.

Wayyyyy off the mark. This is a huge get for the staff.

I trust people that believe in him. Im just not ready to yet and I hope Im 100% wrong.

I don't see what the issue is. Kitchart has to show the ability to be a point guard to earn 30 minutes per game. He could very well be in competition with Curry (or beat him out). We played a bit with Kitchart and Caver last year, why couldn't Curry/Kitchart play together?

At the very least we needed another point guard. If Curry ends up better than Kitchart, thats a good problem to have. People have this perception that we never change anything on offense, but it is always dependant on the talent on hand. With Arledge, they played him at the top of the wing...couldn't do that with Porter/Stith. With Freeman, they ran plays for him at the elbow. With Stith, they liked him coming off screens on the baseline. With Caver, they played more pick and roll to utilize his talent.

(04-23-2019 09:53 AM)Cant Tame the Lion Wrote:  My understanding is there is concern about Kithcart's grades and he has work to do this summer...

That would make sense at least. The claims of poor production or maybe he just isn't the answer weren't jiving as the eye test showed him to be fully capable of taking over the team. It would just be be nice to be able to develop a team and not have to hit the reset button and start over at least one time. I, for one, am rooting for Justice to do what he has to do and win the starting job. I'd rather our starting PG be in his 3rd year of this system than his 1st. That is the toughest position to just plug in a new player.

(04-23-2019 09:59 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(04-23-2019 09:53 AM)Cant Tame the Lion Wrote:  My understanding is there is concern about Kithcart's grades and he has work to do this summer...

That would make sense at least. The claims of poor production or maybe he just isn't the answer weren't jiving as the eye test showed him to be fully capable of taking over the team. It would just be be nice to be able to develop a team and not have to hit the reset button and start over at least one time. I, for one, am rooting for Justice to do what he has to do and win the starting job. I'd rather our starting PG be in his 3rd year of this system than his 1st. That is the toughest position to just plug in a new player.

Agreed. I hope that neither has to log the minutes that Caver did.

(04-23-2019 09:59 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(04-23-2019 09:53 AM)Cant Tame the Lion Wrote:  My understanding is there is concern about Kithcart's grades and he has work to do this summer...

That would make sense at least. The claims of poor production or maybe he just isn't the answer weren't jiving as the eye test showed him to be fully capable of taking over the team. It would just be be nice to be able to develop a team and not have to hit the reset button and start over at least one time. I, for one, am rooting for Justice to do what he has to do and win the starting job. I'd rather our starting PG be in his 3rd year of this system than his 1st. That is the toughest position to just plug in a new player.

Y’all really think they were going to go into the season with just Kithcart? Have you ever heard of “competition”. That’s how you get better. No one is getting playing time handed to them. If Kithcart deserves the job and earns the minutes then he will play. I like Kithcart but no one is giving him anything. If these players want to act entitled and hang their heads when stuff doesn’t go their way then good riddance. Just go transfer like everyone else. That’s not the coaching staffs fault. Their job is to get the talent on the team, not to ensure players don’t get their feelings hurt. I love this addition. Team desperately needed another veteran ball handler and they got one.

(04-23-2019 09:34 AM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  I'm not convinced Kithcart is the answer. I saw occasions of poor production by the team when he penetrated. Either he got his shot blocked, got in too deep to score, got cut off from dishing out...whatever, it just seemed like the offense stuttered when he was doing more than sitting outside and shooting. I'm not sure he is a facilitator. Granted he was in the shadow of Caver even when on the court. It wasn't like he had that many reps with Caver on the bench.

Therefore, I'm glad for Curry's commitment. Like Bit_9 said, both of these guys graduate in two seasons. We should get a HS PG now with the intent to redshirt next year.

Lastly, agree, another big body grad transfer would be awesome. Reece will not be that body inside.

So way to early starting lineup: Curry, Godwin/Oliver, Green, Kalu and Dickens.

I am not sure we were watching the same games. In the very few instances when he was running the point, our offense was actually significantly better, and more players were involved. You may be confusing times when he was playing the 2 along side Caver. I would argue that the 2 is not his natural position. I see Kithcart and a mid major version of Jared Harper.

(04-23-2019 10:06 AM)Prideofalion Wrote:  

(04-23-2019 09:59 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(04-23-2019 09:53 AM)Cant Tame the Lion Wrote:  My understanding is there is concern about Kithcart's grades and he has work to do this summer...

That would make sense at least. The claims of poor production or maybe he just isn't the answer weren't jiving as the eye test showed him to be fully capable of taking over the team. It would just be be nice to be able to develop a team and not have to hit the reset button and start over at least one time. I, for one, am rooting for Justice to do what he has to do and win the starting job. I'd rather our starting PG be in his 3rd year of this system than his 1st. That is the toughest position to just plug in a new player.

Y’all really think they were going to go into the season with just Kithcart? Have you ever heard of “competition”. That’s how you get better. No one is getting playing time handed to them. If Kithcart deserves the job and earns the minutes then he will play. I like Kithcart but no one is giving him anything. If these players want to act entitled and hang their heads when stuff doesn’t go their way then good riddance. Just go transfer like everyone else. That’s not the coaching staffs fault. Their job is to get the talent on the team, not to ensure players don’t get their feelings hurt. I love this addition. Team desperately needed another veteran ball handler and they got one.

Geez nobody said he is sulking. My point is I think he would be a breath of fresh air for a JJ offense that has struggled for about a quarter of a century, but that JJ just can't bring himself to let a guy who might go off script to make a play from time to time get the minutes.

(04-23-2019 08:47 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(04-23-2019 08:06 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 02:21 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  I will wait and see, but seems sort of like a panic move to ensure we get someone at that spot. I do think uncertainty of his health affected our recruiting this year.

Wayyyyy off the mark. This is a huge get for the staff.

I don't think it is WAY off the mark because there are still TBD's plus he was playing against JUCO competition. I agree there are wait and see aspects to this recruit but there are clear indications this was an appropriate and nice get.

"Panic move" is way off the mark. This was not a panic move. They really wanted this kid.

(04-23-2019 10:16 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(04-23-2019 09:34 AM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  I'm not convinced Kithcart is the answer. I saw occasions of poor production by the team when he penetrated. Either he got his shot blocked, got in too deep to score, got cut off from dishing out...whatever, it just seemed like the offense stuttered when he was doing more than sitting outside and shooting. I'm not sure he is a facilitator. Granted he was in the shadow of Caver even when on the court. It wasn't like he had that many reps with Caver on the bench.

Therefore, I'm glad for Curry's commitment. Like Bit_9 said, both of these guys graduate in two seasons. We should get a HS PG now with the intent to redshirt next year.

Lastly, agree, another big body grad transfer would be awesome. Reece will not be that body inside.

So way to early starting lineup: Curry, Godwin/Oliver, Green, Kalu and Dickens.

I am not sure we were watching the same games. In the very few instances when he was running the point, our offense was actually significantly better, and more players were involved. You may be confusing times when he was playing the 2 along side Caver. I would argue that the 2 is not his natural position. I see Kithcart and a mid major version of Jared Harper.

Not going to disagree with you. Maybe the instances were done with Caber in. I just have memories of him doing poorly when driving at times.

They also have Jason Wade (I think), who is more veteran than this guy and played minutes at PG last season successfully. Your "good riddance" attitude sounds good in principle, but it is a proven schit organizational management practice. It is my opinion that adding this guy was an unnecessary risk unless Wade is leaving and there is a real risk that Kith is ineligible. Guards are ball handlers were the least of our concerns at least as far as the public knows. We have 2 forwards that need to improve rapidly, Reece who wasted the year, plus Carver who is what he is.

(04-23-2019 10:22 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(04-23-2019 10:06 AM)Prideofalion Wrote:  

(04-23-2019 09:59 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(04-23-2019 09:53 AM)Cant Tame the Lion Wrote:  My understanding is there is concern about Kithcart's grades and he has work to do this summer...

That would make sense at least. The claims of poor production or maybe he just isn't the answer weren't jiving as the eye test showed him to be fully capable of taking over the team. It would just be be nice to be able to develop a team and not have to hit the reset button and start over at least one time. I, for one, am rooting for Justice to do what he has to do and win the starting job. I'd rather our starting PG be in his 3rd year of this system than his 1st. That is the toughest position to just plug in a new player.

Y’all really think they were going to go into the season with just Kithcart? Have you ever heard of “competition”. That’s how you get better. No one is getting playing time handed to them. If Kithcart deserves the job and earns the minutes then he will play. I like Kithcart but no one is giving him anything. If these players want to act entitled and hang their heads when stuff doesn’t go their way then good riddance. Just go transfer like everyone else. That’s not the coaching staffs fault. Their job is to get the talent on the team, not to ensure players don’t get their feelings hurt. I love this addition. Team desperately needed another veteran ball handler and they got one.

Geez nobody said he is sulking. My point is I think he would be a breath of fresh air for a JJ offense that has struggled for about a quarter of a century, but that JJ just can't bring himself to let a guy who might go off script to make a play from time to time get the minutes.

Hopefully he can be better off the court, so he can have the opportunity to be a breath of fresh air....