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(03-26-2019 12:57 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  Earn higher seeds are great. How about winning with the hand your given? Too many times the team already lost before they hit the floor. At some point you have to play someone very good to great. I see teams go into these games with fire in their eyes and excited to take out a big name. UC is the opposite.

This is so true and it frustrates me to no end with UC's current situation. UC definitely take the negative slant / down side on things when it comes to tournament games and matchups. We did it again this year with some of the comments that were made.

(03-26-2019 12:57 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  Earn higher seeds are great. How about winning with the hand your given? Too many times the team already lost before they hit the floor. At some point you have to play someone very good to great. I see teams go into these games with fire in their eyes and excited to take out a big name. UC is the opposite.

The 2017 Crosstown Shootout was something of an epiphany for me. There was a moment during the game where they showed close camera angles of the huddles. Chris Mack was absolutely on fire. His eyes were lit up, jacket billowed out as he quickly turned into the huddle and shouted, "THIS IS A WAR!"

The shot changed to UC's huddle. Mick was doing his best Ben Stein impression (Bueller? Bueller?) while calmly running through his gameplan. Zero fire.

Xavier won 89-76, and it wasn't even that close... and this was against a starting 5 that included 2 future NBA players, 3 if Jarron is drafted.

Maybe Mick has tried to keep emotions down in the Shootout since the brawl, but we just always seem to come out flat in our biggest games (Xavier, OSU, NCAAT) when we should be fired up and playing out of our minds.

(03-26-2019 12:32 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 12:05 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 11:52 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 08:18 AM)skyblade Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 08:09 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I'd be happy with S16's on a consistent basis, ala XU in the past 10 years.

Also, it drives me crazy when Bearcat fans beat the chests about our gaudy regular season record the last few years, as if winning the AAC is a big deal, in light of March failures. its not.

if you win the ACC and flame out in march, it stinks, but you still won the ACC. You still have that and there is still respect nationally...see Virgina.

you win the AAC and flame out in march and it reinforces the notion you really weren't that good and if you played in a 'real conference' you wouldn't have been 30-4.

We are better than that. We should be better than that. Gonzaga. They play in a crap conference and win a ton of regular season games but they are respected and the program thrives because they are March killers.

No reason we can't be like that...none. But with Mick, its flameout after flameout and then some UC fans are like, but but but, 30 wins! Give me a break.

offense is putrid
recruiting is not good
excuses abound
in game coaching, horrible

this is why we lose in March. So what we dominated a mid major conference.

So what are Kelvin Sampson's problems then or Greg Marshall's or Johnny Dawkins? After all, we've been the best and most consistent program in the AAC since it formed. So if Mick can't recruit, can't run offense and can't coach in games and still runs the best program in the AAC, the other teams must be doing a whole lot wrong.

Kelvin Sampson's problem is getting ready for a Sweet Sixteen game. Johnny Dawkins is coping with a 1 point loss to a number 1 overall seed in Duke. Both trump what Cronin has done while in this conference. Greg Marshall has enough prior success to earn some leeway but I would expect them to be back sooner than later.
UC has tied for one regular season AAC championship and won 1 outright. So UC has been the best team in the conference 2 years.
I don't expect 5 star recruits. It's obvious that it would be rare occurrence for that to happen at UC but it would be nice to see high 3 to low 4 star players on a more regular basis who can make limited contributions first year and go from there. We aren't getting enough of those type recruits.

UC has been the clear cut best team one year and earned a two seed. UC has been 2nd best three times have earned a 5, 6, and 7 seed.

Stop focusing on the post-season because the Cats have only had one real opportunity for advancement. Villanova choked many high seeds but they kept earning them and eventually won it twice. UC need better regular season metrics to earn higher seeds.

Can we stop comparing ourselves/Cronin to the Villanova/Jay Wright situation. Jay Wright made 4 Sweet Sixteens, 2 Elite Eights, and a Final Four in his 1st 8 seasons at Nova with a 5 seed, a 12 seed, a 2 seed, and a 3 seed then had some seasons of early tourney drop-outs before winning two titles...that's not the same as a guy who has gotten to the second weekend once in 11 seasons at the helm. In essence, you're arguing to give Cronin the same type of leeway as Wright got, but without the same early success that he had.

So are you saying he was a great Tourney coach at first, then he became a good regular season coach but crappy tourney coach, and then he became a great coach at both? How does that work exactly?

Or is it possible that it's mostly about matchups and the randomness of games between very good teams in a fairly small sample size? And that's it's stupid to think of coaches as somehow great at the regular season and lousy in the NCAA tourney or vice-versa?

(03-26-2019 01:42 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 12:57 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  Earn higher seeds are great. How about winning with the hand your given? Too many times the team already lost before they hit the floor. At some point you have to play someone very good to great. I see teams go into these games with fire in their eyes and excited to take out a big name. UC is the opposite.

The 2017 Crosstown Shootout was something of an epiphany for me. There was a moment during the game where they showed close camera angles of the huddles. Chris Mack was absolutely on fire. His eyes were lit up, jacket billowed out as he quickly turned into the huddle and shouted, "THIS IS A WAR!"

The shot changed to UC's huddle. Mick was doing his best Ben Stein impression (Bueller? Bueller?) while calmly running through his gameplan. Zero fire.

Xavier won 89-76, and it wasn't even that close... and this was against a starting 5 that included 2 future NBA players, 3 if Jarron is drafted.

Maybe Mick has tried to keep emotions down in the Shootout since the brawl, but we just always seem to come out flat in our biggest games (Xavier, OSU, NCAAT) when we should be fired up and playing out of our minds.

I think we had quite a few of his critics here saying he needed to calm down to be more successful and they praised that he seemed to be that way this year through winning the AAC championship. Of course then we lost a game to Iowa and I think they went back into "everything sucks" mode. Sometimes you are damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Mick needed to calm down for his health. I have no problem with him calming down. That's not the issue in my book.

(03-26-2019 02:09 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 12:32 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 12:05 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 11:52 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 08:18 AM)skyblade Wrote:  So what are Kelvin Sampson's problems then or Greg Marshall's or Johnny Dawkins? After all, we've been the best and most consistent program in the AAC since it formed. So if Mick can't recruit, can't run offense and can't coach in games and still runs the best program in the AAC, the other teams must be doing a whole lot wrong.

Kelvin Sampson's problem is getting ready for a Sweet Sixteen game. Johnny Dawkins is coping with a 1 point loss to a number 1 overall seed in Duke. Both trump what Cronin has done while in this conference. Greg Marshall has enough prior success to earn some leeway but I would expect them to be back sooner than later.
UC has tied for one regular season AAC championship and won 1 outright. So UC has been the best team in the conference 2 years.
I don't expect 5 star recruits. It's obvious that it would be rare occurrence for that to happen at UC but it would be nice to see high 3 to low 4 star players on a more regular basis who can make limited contributions first year and go from there. We aren't getting enough of those type recruits.

UC has been the clear cut best team one year and earned a two seed. UC has been 2nd best three times have earned a 5, 6, and 7 seed.

Stop focusing on the post-season because the Cats have only had one real opportunity for advancement. Villanova choked many high seeds but they kept earning them and eventually won it twice. UC need better regular season metrics to earn higher seeds.

Can we stop comparing ourselves/Cronin to the Villanova/Jay Wright situation. Jay Wright made 4 Sweet Sixteens, 2 Elite Eights, and a Final Four in his 1st 8 seasons at Nova with a 5 seed, a 12 seed, a 2 seed, and a 3 seed then had some seasons of early tourney drop-outs before winning two titles...that's not the same as a guy who has gotten to the second weekend once in 11 seasons at the helm. In essence, you're arguing to give Cronin the same type of leeway as Wright got, but without the same early success that he had.

So are you saying he was a great Tourney coach at first, then he became a good regular season coach but crappy tourney coach, and then he became a great coach at both? How does that work exactly?

Or is it possible that it's mostly about matchups and the randomness of games between very good teams in a fairly small sample size?

Its mostly about the fact Villanova has had way better teams than us and Wright is a far superior coach.

(03-26-2019 02:18 PM)jarr Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 02:09 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 12:32 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 12:05 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 11:52 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Kelvin Sampson's problem is getting ready for a Sweet Sixteen game. Johnny Dawkins is coping with a 1 point loss to a number 1 overall seed in Duke. Both trump what Cronin has done while in this conference. Greg Marshall has enough prior success to earn some leeway but I would expect them to be back sooner than later.
UC has tied for one regular season AAC championship and won 1 outright. So UC has been the best team in the conference 2 years.
I don't expect 5 star recruits. It's obvious that it would be rare occurrence for that to happen at UC but it would be nice to see high 3 to low 4 star players on a more regular basis who can make limited contributions first year and go from there. We aren't getting enough of those type recruits.

UC has been the clear cut best team one year and earned a two seed. UC has been 2nd best three times have earned a 5, 6, and 7 seed.

Stop focusing on the post-season because the Cats have only had one real opportunity for advancement. Villanova choked many high seeds but they kept earning them and eventually won it twice. UC need better regular season metrics to earn higher seeds.

Can we stop comparing ourselves/Cronin to the Villanova/Jay Wright situation. Jay Wright made 4 Sweet Sixteens, 2 Elite Eights, and a Final Four in his 1st 8 seasons at Nova with a 5 seed, a 12 seed, a 2 seed, and a 3 seed then had some seasons of early tourney drop-outs before winning two titles...that's not the same as a guy who has gotten to the second weekend once in 11 seasons at the helm. In essence, you're arguing to give Cronin the same type of leeway as Wright got, but without the same early success that he had.

So are you saying he was a great Tourney coach at first, then he became a good regular season coach but crappy tourney coach, and then he became a great coach at both? How does that work exactly?

Or is it possible that it's mostly about matchups and the randomness of games between very good teams in a fairly small sample size?

Its mostly about the fact Villanova has had way better teams than us and Wright is a far superior coach.

agree

(03-26-2019 02:21 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 02:18 PM)jarr Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 02:09 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 12:32 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 12:05 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  UC has been the clear cut best team one year and earned a two seed. UC has been 2nd best three times have earned a 5, 6, and 7 seed.

Stop focusing on the post-season because the Cats have only had one real opportunity for advancement. Villanova choked many high seeds but they kept earning them and eventually won it twice. UC need better regular season metrics to earn higher seeds.

Can we stop comparing ourselves/Cronin to the Villanova/Jay Wright situation. Jay Wright made 4 Sweet Sixteens, 2 Elite Eights, and a Final Four in his 1st 8 seasons at Nova with a 5 seed, a 12 seed, a 2 seed, and a 3 seed then had some seasons of early tourney drop-outs before winning two titles...that's not the same as a guy who has gotten to the second weekend once in 11 seasons at the helm. In essence, you're arguing to give Cronin the same type of leeway as Wright got, but without the same early success that he had.

So are you saying he was a great Tourney coach at first, then he became a good regular season coach but crappy tourney coach, and then he became a great coach at both? How does that work exactly?

Or is it possible that it's mostly about matchups and the randomness of games between very good teams in a fairly small sample size?

Its mostly about the fact Villanova has had way better teams than us and Wright is a far superior coach.

agree

Well that makes 3 of us that all basically agree on the first point about having better teams. But why did Wright's teams suck so bad in the tourney in the middle years if he is a "far superior coach"? (and I'm not saying he isn't a far superior coach).

(03-26-2019 02:26 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 02:21 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 02:18 PM)jarr Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 02:09 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 12:32 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Can we stop comparing ourselves/Cronin to the Villanova/Jay Wright situation. Jay Wright made 4 Sweet Sixteens, 2 Elite Eights, and a Final Four in his 1st 8 seasons at Nova with a 5 seed, a 12 seed, a 2 seed, and a 3 seed then had some seasons of early tourney drop-outs before winning two titles...that's not the same as a guy who has gotten to the second weekend once in 11 seasons at the helm. In essence, you're arguing to give Cronin the same type of leeway as Wright got, but without the same early success that he had.

So are you saying he was a great Tourney coach at first, then he became a good regular season coach but crappy tourney coach, and then he became a great coach at both? How does that work exactly?

Or is it possible that it's mostly about matchups and the randomness of games between very good teams in a fairly small sample size?

Its mostly about the fact Villanova has had way better teams than us and Wright is a far superior coach.

agree

Also agree with the first. But why did Wright's teams suck so bad in the tourney in the middle years if he is a "far superior coach"? (and I'm not saying he isn't a far superior coach).

Because sh*t happens and it is flukey. But that goes both ways, he had had years where he overplayed his seed line to balance it out. Cronin has eithee choked or played to his seed line every year except 2012.

(03-26-2019 02:26 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 02:21 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 02:18 PM)jarr Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 02:09 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 12:32 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Can we stop comparing ourselves/Cronin to the Villanova/Jay Wright situation. Jay Wright made 4 Sweet Sixteens, 2 Elite Eights, and a Final Four in his 1st 8 seasons at Nova with a 5 seed, a 12 seed, a 2 seed, and a 3 seed then had some seasons of early tourney drop-outs before winning two titles...that's not the same as a guy who has gotten to the second weekend once in 11 seasons at the helm. In essence, you're arguing to give Cronin the same type of leeway as Wright got, but without the same early success that he had.

So are you saying he was a great Tourney coach at first, then he became a good regular season coach but crappy tourney coach, and then he became a great coach at both? How does that work exactly?

Or is it possible that it's mostly about matchups and the randomness of games between very good teams in a fairly small sample size?

Its mostly about the fact Villanova has had way better teams than us and Wright is a far superior coach.

agree

Also agree with the first. But why did Wright's teams suck so bad in the tourney in the middle years if he is a "far superior coach"? (and I'm not saying he isn't a far superior coach).

The answer to this is clear. There is a large degree of randomness to single elimination tournament play. Last year's Villanova team was so elite in tournament play they rose above that. He's had other teams that are top 10 type teams that failed to get out of the first weekend, but also had a final four team and his first national championship team. Keep producing great teams and you'll achieve tournament success.

Mick has been a bit unlucky in that you'd expect a couple more deep runs from teams in the 5-7 seed range that he seems to consistently produce. However, the bigger thing in his tournament runs is he only has 1 truly top notch team and that team lost in the first weekend too. If he had 4 or 5 of those type teams, he'd likely have 2-3 sweet 16 and beyond runs. Here's hoping next year gives us that.

(03-26-2019 02:16 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 01:42 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 12:57 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  Earn higher seeds are great. How about winning with the hand your given? Too many times the team already lost before they hit the floor. At some point you have to play someone very good to great. I see teams go into these games with fire in their eyes and excited to take out a big name. UC is the opposite.

The 2017 Crosstown Shootout was something of an epiphany for me. There was a moment during the game where they showed close camera angles of the huddles. Chris Mack was absolutely on fire. His eyes were lit up, jacket billowed out as he quickly turned into the huddle and shouted, "THIS IS A WAR!"

The shot changed to UC's huddle. Mick was doing his best Ben Stein impression (Bueller? Bueller?) while calmly running through his gameplan. Zero fire.

Xavier won 89-76, and it wasn't even that close... and this was against a starting 5 that included 2 future NBA players, 3 if Jarron is drafted.

Maybe Mick has tried to keep emotions down in the Shootout since the brawl, but we just always seem to come out flat in our biggest games (Xavier, OSU, NCAAT) when we should be fired up and playing out of our minds.

I think we had quite a few of his critics here saying he needed to calm down to be more successful and they praised that he seemed to be that way this year through winning the AAC championship. Of course then we lost a game to Iowa and I think they went back into "everything sucks" mode. Sometimes you are damned if you do and damned if you don't.

LOL, the game Cronin got so worked up he embarrassingly went after Macura and had to be dragged off the court into the locker room--that's the one we're citing as him lacking fire?

(03-26-2019 02:42 PM)levydl Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 02:16 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 01:42 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 12:57 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  Earn higher seeds are great. How about winning with the hand your given? Too many times the team already lost before they hit the floor. At some point you have to play someone very good to great. I see teams go into these games with fire in their eyes and excited to take out a big name. UC is the opposite.

The 2017 Crosstown Shootout was something of an epiphany for me. There was a moment during the game where they showed close camera angles of the huddles. Chris Mack was absolutely on fire. His eyes were lit up, jacket billowed out as he quickly turned into the huddle and shouted, "THIS IS A WAR!"

The shot changed to UC's huddle. Mick was doing his best Ben Stein impression (Bueller? Bueller?) while calmly running through his gameplan. Zero fire.

Xavier won 89-76, and it wasn't even that close... and this was against a starting 5 that included 2 future NBA players, 3 if Jarron is drafted.

Maybe Mick has tried to keep emotions down in the Shootout since the brawl, but we just always seem to come out flat in our biggest games (Xavier, OSU, NCAAT) when we should be fired up and playing out of our minds.

I think we had quite a few of his critics here saying he needed to calm down to be more successful and they praised that he seemed to be that way this year through winning the AAC championship. Of course then we lost a game to Iowa and I think they went back into "everything sucks" mode. Sometimes you are damned if you do and damned if you don't.

LOL, the game Cronin got so worked up he embarrassingly went after Macura and had to be dragged off the court into the locker room--that's the one we're citing as him lacking fire?

Well done if that's the same game. As Paul Harvey used to say, that's "the rest of the story."

(03-26-2019 02:30 PM)jarr Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 02:26 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 02:21 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 02:18 PM)jarr Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 02:09 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  So are you saying he was a great Tourney coach at first, then he became a good regular season coach but crappy tourney coach, and then he became a great coach at both? How does that work exactly?

Or is it possible that it's mostly about matchups and the randomness of games between very good teams in a fairly small sample size?

Its mostly about the fact Villanova has had way better teams than us and Wright is a far superior coach.

agree

Also agree with the first. But why did Wright's teams suck so bad in the tourney in the middle years if he is a "far superior coach"? (and I'm not saying he isn't a far superior coach).

Because sh*t happens and it is flukey.

Quote: But that goes both ways, he had had years where he overplayed his seed line to balance it out. Cronin has eithee choked or played to his seed line every year except 2012.

So when it's Wright it's "sh*t happens and it is flukey" but when it's Mick it's "choked"? That silly but telling reveal aside, you are correct that Mick's teams have cumulatively underperformed their seed line and I agree that's not good. I also agree with what sounds like your position vis-a-vis Wright that it tends to balance out over time. As far as what to make of that with relation to Mick and UC, I'll defer to bearcatmark's fine analysis right after your post above.

Nobody can dispute the fluke/luck nature of the March Madness. But, in the same breath, Mick has had 10 years and in that time, a pattern has emerged and that pattern is early exits. You can slice it any way you want, but early exits are the norm for UC under Mick.

Somebody could even say its all luck, I'll go to that polar extreme for the sake of the discussion (not that I believe it)....ok, lets say for sake of argument it is all luck and Mick is just one unlucky guy....either way, early exits are the pattern not the exception.

So whether its skill, luck (unluck) or combo, either way, 6-9 sucks.

If we need to let a coach go because he is just 'unlucky', so be it.

I want to know more about the budget question. When Mick flirted with UNLV, didn't the same thing come up? Something to do with the use of a private plane? I believe this problem was solved. So what is his brother chirping about now? Any specifics?

(03-26-2019 07:54 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  yup...in a mid major conference that has been down no less (that is changing). So...ok golf clap.

Too bad March wins are what counts nationally and for most fans of any program.

Then I guess you should find something else to root for.
It's fair to say he hasn't won in March, it's also fair to say we have been to a final four since '92, to the Sweet Sixteen twice since 2002, and the people acting like we should be a perennial power are basing that belief on absolutely nothing.

The question is the cost/benefit of canning Mick.
We've seemingly hit a wall, but we can always go back down into the abyss. Hell is a long way down.

(03-26-2019 05:21 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 07:54 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  yup...in a mid major conference that has been down no less (that is changing). So...ok golf clap.

Too bad March wins are what counts nationally and for most fans of any program.

Then I guess you should find something else to root for.
It's fair to say he hasn't won in March, it's also fair to say we have been to a final four since '92, to the Sweet Sixteen twice since 2002, and the people acting like we should be a perennial power are basing that belief on absolutely nothing.

The question is the cost/benefit of canning Mick.
We've seemingly hit a wall, but we can always go back down into the abyss. Hell is a long way down.

If the best you got is "go root for someone else", that's pretty weak. And an indictment of the true gravity of the situation. Carry on....

(03-26-2019 05:25 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 05:21 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 07:54 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  yup...in a mid major conference that has been down no less (that is changing). So...ok golf clap.

Too bad March wins are what counts nationally and for most fans of any program.

Then I guess you should find something else to root for.
It's fair to say he hasn't won in March, it's also fair to say we have been to a final four since '92, to the Sweet Sixteen twice since 2002, and the people acting like we should be a perennial power are basing that belief on absolutely nothing.

The question is the cost/benefit of canning Mick.
We've seemingly hit a wall, but we can always go back down into the abyss. Hell is a long way down.

If the best you got is "go root for someone else", that's pretty weak. And an indictment of the true gravity of the situation. Carry on....

If you've followed and read Recluse you know that's about as good as he is going to do. Don't let him get going, he'll take you to some real weird places.

(03-26-2019 05:21 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 07:54 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  yup...in a mid major conference that has been down no less (that is changing). So...ok golf clap.

Too bad March wins are what counts nationally and for most fans of any program.

Then I guess you should find something else to root for.
It's fair to say he hasn't won in March, it's also fair to say we have been to a final four since '92, to the Sweet Sixteen twice since 2002, and the people acting like we should be a perennial power are basing that belief on absolutely nothing.

The question is the cost/benefit of canning Mick.
We've seemingly hit a wall, but we can always go back down into the abyss. Hell is a long way down.

the key is having better teams and higher seeds, UC has underachieved in the NCAA tournament but the numbers clearly show that better seeds advance at a higher rate

(03-26-2019 05:25 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 05:21 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 07:54 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  yup...in a mid major conference that has been down no less (that is changing). So...ok golf clap.

Too bad March wins are what counts nationally and for most fans of any program.

Then I guess you should find something else to root for.
It's fair to say he hasn't won in March, it's also fair to say we have been to a final four since '92, to the Sweet Sixteen twice since 2002, and the people acting like we should be a perennial power are basing that belief on absolutely nothing.

The question is the cost/benefit of canning Mick.
We've seemingly hit a wall, but we can always go back down into the abyss. Hell is a long way down.

If the best you got is "go root for someone else", that's pretty weak. And an indictment of the true gravity of the situation. Carry on....

I really don't get the logic of plug in coach X, get Y results.
I assume most coaches at this level know their players shouldn't look like a bunch of monkeys humping the ball.
Like on the issue of recruiting, someone mentioned recruiting locally, he just signed Mr. Basketball in the state of Ohio, he signed Cumberland before that... Recruiting in general, he can recruit well enough for the Golden State Warriors, for the Houston Rockets and yet, somehow, some up and comer is going to magically make our commit list top 5 material?


Magical thinking I say.