I've seen my name a few times now and I just want to clarify whether this is a supplementary role or as a replacement. I don't have a ton of interest in the latter.

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As I understand it, your role would be to put in the spam bin all of the complaints about Tribal so that the owner of the site doesn’t have to deal with our sensitivities.

:-)

Another list I don't even get nominated for...screw you people, I have had it!

I vote for Hyperduke

If nominated, I shall not compete; if selected, I shall not serve!!

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(03-21-2019 08:23 AM)zablenoise Wrote:  I've seen my name a few times now and I just want to clarify whether this is a supplementary role or as a replacement. I don't have a ton of interest in the latter.

I think that there are four proofs that this role is meant as a replacement.

1. georgia_tech_swagger said: "I have quite the ludicrous backlog of, as George Carlin would say, complaints and grievances over this board over the last few weeks".

That says that there were multiple complaints over a several week span (and, for the record, none of them were from me --although I understand why they were made). g_t_s has to pay attention to that.

2. g_t_s also said: "more blood and fresh blood from the commons. Additional hands make for lighter work." The words "more" and "additional" imply a supplemental role for the newbie. "Fresh" is clear. So I'll grant that this paragraph is ambiguous and that is why I count only four proofs instead of five.

3. However, post 25 (A Quest Called Tribe) said Tribal "quite simply did nothing to deserve ouster", to which g_t_s said (in post 32) "That's your narrative, Jack. Don't put it in front of me." That seems pretty clear. Remember, the board relies on each of us seeing and sometimes clicking on ads. Whenever a poster leaves the board then that is lost revenue for the board. That is obviously important to the board.

4. Tribal has not chimed in to say (clarify) that this exercise is to find him an assistant. If it were, I'm sure that clarification would have already occurred.

5. Lastly, there is this post on the W&M Tribe Talk board (although I do note that Tribal has continued to post on CSNbbs Tribe Talk since he wrote that):

http://www.wmtribetalk.com/viewtopic.php?p=323#p323

So it seems clear (to me, anyway) that a replacement is being sought.

Actually, when I went back and saw the "additional hands" line I assumed that I had misread the post initially, and that it's supplement and not replace.

I certainly hope so.

(03-21-2019 11:00 AM)Zorch Wrote:  

(03-21-2019 08:23 AM)zablenoise Wrote:  I've seen my name a few times now and I just want to clarify whether this is a supplementary role or as a replacement. I don't have a ton of interest in the latter.

I think that there are four proofs that this role is meant as a replacement.

1. georgia_tech_swagger said: "I have quite the ludicrous backlog of, as George Carlin would say, complaints and grievances over this board over the last few weeks".

That says that there were multiple complaints over a several week span (and, for the record, none of them were from me --although I understand why they were made). g_t_s has to pay attention to that.

2. g_t_s also said: "more blood and fresh blood from the commons. Additional hands make for lighter work." The words "more" and "additional" imply a supplemental role for the newbie. "Fresh" is clear. So I'll grant that this paragraph is ambiguous and that is why I count only four proofs instead of five.

3. However, post 25 (A Quest Called Tribe) said Tribal "quite simply did nothing to deserve ouster", to which g_t_s said (in post 32) "That's your narrative, Jack. Don't put it in front of me." That seems pretty clear. Remember, the board relies on each of us seeing and sometimes clicking on ads. Whenever a poster leaves the board then that is lost revenue for the board. That is obviously important to the board.

4. Tribal has not chimed in to say (clarify) that this exercise is to find him an assistant. If it were, I'm sure that clarification would have already occurred.

5. Lastly, there is this post on the W&M Tribe Talk board (although I do note that Tribal has continued to post on CSNbbs Tribe Talk since he wrote that):

http://www.wmtribetalk.com/viewtopic.php?p=323#p323

So it seems clear (to me, anyway) that a replacement is being sought.

I spoke with the site admin and, it's NOT a replacement. So much for your "proof." Gotta be careful with that word.

I didn't "chime in" because I generally let things go. I don't feel the need to correct you all on everything...just like I didn't correct you when you claimed that I threatened to ban posters if they disagreed with or challenged me. That's not true on any level and I challenge anyone on here to find where I said that. What I said, Zorch, is the public attack on me, as a moderator, is a bannable offense but that I didn't care. I don't care what people call me. Call me evil, an idiot, a jerk, an a-hole...whatever, I simply do not care. I care about what my family and friends think of me. Period.

Evidently, a lot of people complained. Absolutely their right. I know many posters on here have a couple to several accounts all going back to the same IP address. I also confirmed that several collaborated to flood the admin with complaints. On three separate occassions over the past five years, I have offered to assist people in filing a complaint about me. You should know, am I correct? I want people to know they have options if they don't like what I've said or done. I would NEVER attempt to muzzle someone.

The admin looked at the complaibts and he can share his opinion if he wants to do that...our conversation is confidential.

So, point being is I have thick skin and I'm not easily offended. I do tend to be hyperprotective of people I care about but that's different. I think a poster or two who are close to Huge felt insulted on her behalf so I get that. The people who stated they were leaving because of me have logged on so they're not "gone."

Finally, there are several posters who are not happy with how this moderator situation is being handled and they'd be happy to go elsewhere. They view it as petty and whining but worse yet, censorship to appease and enable complainers. I think posters have a right to complain about me and I have the right to be demonstrative so long as I don't violate the site AUP. I hold a lot of Librarian views so I believe in free Will and one's ability to express himself. I also think it's great when others challenge those views. We find comfort among those who agree with us and growth among those who don't. Be open-minded, stop being so tied to being "right" all the time, and be prepared to learn from others. That's all I'm going to say on the matter.



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(03-20-2019 04:17 PM)nj alum Wrote:  I nominate whoever complained and grieved ... and if I were the Moderator ... when the newbies come on board ... it's their show.

The silence remains deafening.

All that I can hear are .... crickets!

I think I’ll go into my kitchen and turn on the heat.

:-)

(03-21-2019 11:53 AM)Tribal Wrote:  I didn't "chime in" because I generally let things go. I don't feel the need to correct you all on everything...just like I didn't correct you when you claimed that I threatened to ban posters if they disagreed with or challenged me. That's not true on any level and I challenge anyone on here to find where I said that. What I said, Zorch, is the public attack on me, as a moderator, is a bannable offense but that I didn't care. I don't care what people call me. Call me evil, an idiot, a jerk, an a-hole...whatever, I simply do not care. I care about what my family and friends think of me. Period.

Evidently, a lot of people complained. Absolutely their right. I know many posters on here have a couple to several accounts all going back to the same IP address. I also confirmed that several collaborated to flood the admin with complaints. On three separate occassions over the past five years, I have offered to assist people in filing a complaint about me. You should know, am I correct? I want people to know they have options if they don't like what I've said or done. I would NEVER attempt to muzzle someone.

1. Seems clear that since there was evident confusion about this that you should have clarified sooner.

2. Your use of "you" in "just like I didn't correct you when you ..." Is deceptive. Anyone can re-read the posts and see that I never said that -- and yet you are quick to lay it at my feet.

3. Since you have apparently learned the identity (at least the IP addresses) of folks who complained against you then you also know that I am not one of them. Yet you felt the need to unload on me specifically?

4. Whether you see it or not, your bullying attitude seems clearly intended to muzzle people. I just think that it is not a good look for a moderator -- time for a change.

Now see I started us right off by saying we weren't going to air laundry ... and some people proceeded to start laundering. Well I'll finish the laundry since everybody wants to connect their own dots:

- As stated, the complaints are running high ... two standard deviations above the Memphis board, which acts as a cranky barometer around here.
- I can see there's obviously factions here at play. And some of this factionism is political or at least has the whiff of politics to it.
- You don't solve the problem of factions by choosing one ... that's why I'm not looking to simply replace Tribal
- Fresh blood, preferably of the neutral variety, and preferably with desktop access so they can forum ban (Tribal is only using TapaTalk which doesn't have our custom features in it like forum banning) is a good first step. That's all I'm looking to do right now. Most of the complaints I've read through are petty and resentful trench warfare over some genuinely asinine stuff. One of the benefits to adding an additional moderator is being able to pass somebody off to another mod. It helps get rid of petty human emotions like pride that get in the way. 40 year old men don't like being told no on a message board, and they can get cranky about it.
- In the complaints I've gotten about Tribal where I've actually dug to the bottom I've found the complainer's behavior more objectionable than Tribal's
- That being said Tribal isn't perfect, which you would expect of somebody who is .. oh I don't know .. human. Tribal can knee jerk at times, and he does have a tendency to run to (Bizarro TribeTalk?) and cry if everything isn't sunshine and rainbows here. THAT, btw, gets me 10 fold closer to removing Tribal as a mod than anything that has been complained about. I have trouble trusting a mod who is one foot out the door. This is a public way of saying if that's the road you wanna take Tribal, go the f*** ahead and take it and let me replace you as mod cleanly with somebody who is all in on this board. Just because it's a mod spot doesn't mean conflict of interest isn't important. I'm also not a fan of my PMs to Tribal getting either forwarded or summarized to other people.


Now, continuing the original point of this thread, let's get back to mod nominations.

Dean Wormer has read the riot act and left the room.

Mr. J- we need some video from Animal House along the lines of-

Well, that was nice.

He really means it this time.

Time for a Toga party.

To-ga. To-ga.

(03-21-2019 12:48 PM)nj alum Wrote:  Dean Wormer has read the riot act and left the room.

Mr. J- we need some video from Animal House along the lines of-

Well, that was nice.

He really means it this time.

Time for a Toga party.

To-ga. To-ga.

John Vernon died over a decade ago and ergo is ineligible to be a mod.

Here we go:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y1Mk7idVfcA

(03-21-2019 12:53 PM)nj alum Wrote:  Here we go:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y1Mk7idVfcA

We don't do double secret probation. We just put people in the middle of the Pinelands and then close all the WaWas. You'll wish you were in The Walking Dead instead after a few hours.

I am fine with zablenoise as a supplement to Tribal.

(03-21-2019 12:56 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(03-21-2019 12:53 PM)nj alum Wrote:  Here we go:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y1Mk7idVfcA

We don't do double secret probation. We just put people in the middle of the Pinelands and then close all the WaWas. You'll wish you were in The Walking Dead instead after a few hours.

Hey, this sounds like my pledge “ride” into the middle of nowhere in James City County in 1978. You sure you’re not a Sig Ep from way back?

As a mod on a fellow CAA forum, I feel partly to blame for this. Several months ago, GTS gave mod permissions across CAA forums to a few of us, including Tribal (you can see it at the top of the page when using the traditional view, vice Tapatalk).

I’ll be quite honest here, I have been hesitant to moderate another team’s forum because that is typically viewed as the outsider coming in to police a fight between family members and we all know that would be taken by Tribe fans as less than pleasing, especially considering we are in a conference together.

As a mod, you all should know that Tribal has your back. Him and I have conversed in the past and he’s passed on valuable experience to me and I’m sure others.

Going forward, I don’t mind taking a more active approach but know I wouldn’t take any definitive action without some sort of input one way or another from your in house mod(s).

With that, I implore those seeking a replacement of Tribal to rethink their position. Everyone, even us mods need course correcting on occasion but the majority of the time Tribal, as many of you already noted, has been a fair and quality moderator on your behalf. Just remember, he’s a fan just like all of you.

With that being said, vote. I’ll be supporting any and all WM mods now and in the future. I’ll also do a better job of assisting from the sidelines without overstepping.

Cheers Tribe fans,

CGHawk06


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Tribal and I are on the same page, for the public record. So continue forth with the nominations.

CG: Your reluctance to moderate outside CAA General/UNCW is well founded and the right default. If things are clearly getting out of hand and the locals aren't around get a supermod, all of which have means to reach me relatively quickly.

(03-21-2019 01:27 PM)nj alum Wrote:  Hey, this sounds like my pledge “ride” into the middle of nowhere in James City County in 1978. You sure you’re not a Sig Ep from way back?

Did you see the Jersey devil? Did you see the Pinies? Were they one in the same? Which diner did you stumble into first? Did they let you pump your own gas?

(03-21-2019 12:35 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  - You don't solve the problem of factions by choosing one ... that's why I'm not looking to simply replace Tribal
- Fresh blood, preferably of the neutral variety, and preferably with desktop access so they can forum ban (Tribal is only using TapaTalk which doesn't have our custom features in it like forum banning) is a good first step. That's all I'm looking to do right now.

Thanks for clarifying. I am a long-time lurker and infrequent poster (except for a squall of recent activity, due to interesting basketball drama), but I do enjoy the quality of discussion on this board overall under Tribal's management. If we need a Rust Cohle to Tribal's Marty, I can live with it.

Sounds like mrjoolius has declined to serve, but he is a great candidate and I wish he'd reconsider. He's got a strong connection to the College, he's a real workhorse in those recruiting threads, and I've never read one intemperate syllable from him in many years of browsing.