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(03-20-2019 10:30 PM)tribeintexas Wrote:  Now is the time for President Rowe to intervene. This fiasco will cost us 3 potential starters and maybe more not to mention many loyal supporters threatening to cut their donations. I think this has reached a point where AD Huge cannot resolve this mess. Those of us who can reach President Rowe should do so before it is too late.

I 100% agree. I have already done that earlier today -- and that was before the Audige/Milon news! I gave her my opinion that it was not too late for HER to turn this around (since no replacement for Tony has yet been named). If every other one of us on this board were to do the same then ....well, at least we will all know that we tried!
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(03-20-2019 10:30 PM)tribeintexas Wrote:  Now is the time for President Rowe to intervene. This fiasco will cost us 3 potential starters and maybe more not to mention many loyal supporters threatening to cut their donations. I think this has reached a point where AD Huge cannot resolve this mess. Those of us who can reach President Rowe should do so before it is too late.

I don't think this was Huge going out on her own. Appeals to others in the administration aren't likely to find sympathetic ears.
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(03-20-2019 09:41 PM)LeadBolt Wrote:  Would some one please reassure me that there is a cure around the corner that is going to expose me as an unnecessary worry wort being overly pessimistic?

We all can hope that the player advisory committee that includes their teammate Paul Rowley working with the AD hits a homerun in the new HC. Both Pierce and Audige expressed their interest in meeting the new HC and staff when hired. So far Milon has made no announcement online officially. We all can also hope and pray.
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(03-20-2019 11:00 PM)TribeInTheBurg Wrote:  
(03-20-2019 10:30 PM)tribeintexas Wrote:  Now is the time for President Rowe to intervene. This fiasco will cost us 3 potential starters and maybe more not to mention many loyal supporters threatening to cut their donations. I think this has reached a point where AD Huge cannot resolve this mess. Those of us who can reach President Rowe should do so before it is too late.

I don't think this was Huge going out on her own. Appeals to others in the administration aren't likely to find sympathetic ears.

I agree Huge does not make the move without Rowe agreement but it never hurts to professionally express your disapproval.
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(03-20-2019 11:06 PM)wmmii Wrote:  
(03-20-2019 11:00 PM)TribeInTheBurg Wrote:  
(03-20-2019 10:30 PM)tribeintexas Wrote:  Now is the time for President Rowe to intervene. This fiasco will cost us 3 potential starters and maybe more not to mention many loyal supporters threatening to cut their donations. I think this has reached a point where AD Huge cannot resolve this mess. Those of us who can reach President Rowe should do so before it is too late.

I don't think this was Huge going out on her own. Appeals to others in the administration aren't likely to find sympathetic ears.

I agree Huge does not make the move without Rowe agreement but it never hurts to professionally express your disapproval.

I think that Huge instigated the move and was able to talk Rowe into it. I am 100% sure that both women were caught totally by surprise by the extent of the backlash. I think Huge will never voluntarily retract her move but I think that Rowe probably has better awareness of the optics involved and could thus overrule her. It might mean that Huge would have to resign in order to save face -- but I think Rowe should be willing to accept that resignation. That is why I have written to Rowe several times but I have not wasted my time writing to Huge.
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(03-20-2019 11:12 PM)Zorch Wrote:  
(03-20-2019 11:06 PM)wmmii Wrote:  
(03-20-2019 11:00 PM)TribeInTheBurg Wrote:  
(03-20-2019 10:30 PM)tribeintexas Wrote:  Now is the time for President Rowe to intervene. This fiasco will cost us 3 potential starters and maybe more not to mention many loyal supporters threatening to cut their donations. I think this has reached a point where AD Huge cannot resolve this mess. Those of us who can reach President Rowe should do so before it is too late.

I don't think this was Huge going out on her own. Appeals to others in the administration aren't likely to find sympathetic ears.

I agree Huge does not make the move without Rowe agreement but it never hurts to professionally express your disapproval.

I think that Huge instigated the move and was able to talk Rowe into it. I am 100% sure that both women were caught totally by surprise by the extent of the backlash. I think Huge will never voluntarily retract her move but I think that Rowe probably has better awareness of the optics involved and could thus overrule her. It might mean that Huge would have to resign in order to save face -- but I think Rowe should be willing to accept that resignation. That is why I have written to Rowe several times but I have not wasted my time writing to Huge.

Agree with your thoughts on how this coaching decision was orchestrated.
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So, so, very predictable. Did Huge really think the players would just sit tight while she shopped for the next HC. Huge has broken it, virtually no chance all the pieces come back together now, she owns it.

Because Huge and Rowe failed to recognize the progress of the program under Shaver relative to our history and resources, we have gone from the doorstep of achieving their stated goal (and the sole stated reason for firing Shaver) all the way back to a rudderless program in shambles. Good luck landing a quality HC when half the team is leaning towards the exits.

I really feel for Tony. Not only was he mistreated, he now has to watch all his hard work turn to rot.

If it is true that WM has to pay out Shaver 1.7M, the ultimate insult to injury, then I can't see myself giving to the College (athletics) until Huge is gone. This is easily the worst decision I have seen the out of the athletics department since I arrived on campus (1995). Stupid, needless, self-inflicted wound...and the hits keep coming.
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(03-20-2019 08:48 PM)Tribal Wrote:  How's everybody doing tonight? Who's ready for Knight?


William & Mary’s Matt Milon will explore a transfer, source told @Stadium. Averaged 13 per game and would be a grad transfer. Began his career at BC.



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I have so much respect for these young players. I wish them nothing but the best moving forward at new schools. They signed on to play for Shaver. Basketball is essentially the most important element of their lives. Losing the opportunity to play for the coach they committed to is perhaps the saddest part of this entire debacle. These players only have four years to maximize their performance. Having those years interrupted whilst a new AD makes a move that creates uncertainty isn’t what they signed up for, especially at an underdog school like W&M. An unexpected coaching change like this one basically introduces the recruiting process all over again for them to consider their best fit, relationship with coaching staff, coach’s system, etc. They could all decide to stay here. But if it were me, if I was in their shoes (and could dunk a basketball!), i’d maybe reevaluate some previous schools I’d been considering, see who expresses interest, and keep options open. Without a coach, and for each of the three players having performed well enough to be highly sought after by some really well-regarded programs, it’s not surprising to see them exploring the transfer market. I bet they’ll have fun watching the NCAA tourney this year, perhaps watching more closely than in years past. I think a new coaching hire could happen sooner than any of the players signing elsewhere, as it’s unlikely any of the 68 teams are recruiting during the actual tournament. And since we’re not hiring any coach from the tournament, lots of unemployed coaches are sitting around waiting for the phone to ring. I’d at least expect more progress to be made on the coaching search this week than the players will make looking at other schools.
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(03-21-2019 12:02 AM)WMTribe90 Wrote:  So, so, very predictable. Did Huge really think the players would just sit tight while she shopped for the next HC. Huge has broken it, virtually no chance all the pieces come back together now, she owns it.

Because Huge and Rowe failed to recognize the progress of the program under Shaver relative to our history and resources, we have gone from the doorstep of achieving their stated goal (and the sole stated reason for firing Shaver) all the way back to a rudderless program in shambles. Good luck landing a quality HC when half the team is leaning towards the exits.

I really feel for Tony. Not only was he mistreated, he now has to watch all his hard work turn to rot.

If it is true that WM has to pay out Shaver 1.7M, the ultimate insult to injury, then I can't see myself giving to the College (athletics) until Huge is gone. This is easily the worst decision I have seen the out of the athletics department since I arrived on campus (1995). Stupid, needless, self-inflicted wound...and the hits keep coming.

Agree 100%. Maybe we could hire Tony Shaver, a new AD, and Huge could revert to a special assistant role like she was demoted to once before while she was at Delaware.
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Whenever there's a new coach, players consider transferring. It's perfectly reasonable to expect people to explore their options. We do that everyday in the work world. If there's a big change, you evaluate whether you want to stay where you are, or more to another job.

These kids are doing the same thing. They might stay. They might not. Up to them.
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(03-20-2019 11:12 PM)Zorch Wrote:  
(03-20-2019 11:06 PM)wmmii Wrote:  
(03-20-2019 11:00 PM)TribeInTheBurg Wrote:  
(03-20-2019 10:30 PM)tribeintexas Wrote:  Now is the time for President Rowe to intervene. This fiasco will cost us 3 potential starters and maybe more not to mention many loyal supporters threatening to cut their donations. I think this has reached a point where AD Huge cannot resolve this mess. Those of us who can reach President Rowe should do so before it is too late.

I don't think this was Huge going out on her own. Appeals to others in the administration aren't likely to find sympathetic ears.

I agree Huge does not make the move without Rowe agreement but it never hurts to professionally express your disapproval.

I think that Huge instigated the move and was able to talk Rowe into it. I am 100% sure that both women were caught totally by surprise by the extent of the backlash. I think Huge will never voluntarily retract her move but I think that Rowe probably has better awareness of the optics involved and could thus overrule her. It might mean that Huge would have to resign in order to save face -- but I think Rowe should be willing to accept that resignation. That is why I have written to Rowe several times but I have not wasted my time writing to Huge.

I'd really hope that Rowe would step in and overrule her but I have no confidence in that. At both of the two football games I made this year I saw Rowe and Huge hug each other, laugh, and bounce around like two sorority sisters. Not the most professional of optics to me.
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In an early post when the Shaver news was breaking, I wrote that while I didn’t like the move, Huge obviously wants to win and she isn’t dumb, so she must have some high degree of confidence that the players aren’t going to leave. That theory seems to be unraveling quickly, though I understand the foolishness of my initial thought. The players wouldn’t come back if Huge hired some unknown doofus like me to coach, so it really all does depend on two things: 1) the new hire; 2) the camaraderie between the players (ie are they wrapping their arms around each other and saying they’re going to stick around for that last chance at the magical run together or are they fracturing and starting to look at things more individualistically in reaction to a firing decision that signals lack of loyalty and is diminishing trust with the school/admin).

I have zero knowledge of what’s going on with #2, but at least with #1, no one knows anything until the hiring decision is formally announced. So it’s hard to know where everyone ultimately ends up when the dust settles. But man, this is painful to see when we felt so much optimism just 10 (long) days ago and now the house seems to be falling apart one brick at a time.

New thought: I wonder if the players felt stung by the decision, not just bc of how Tony was treated (assuming they liked him ... again, I have no inside info on any of this) but bc that decision also suggests that the admin doesn’t have confidence that this team can get it done next year with Tony at the helm. Which, since Tony is clearly not a bad coach (plenty of debate on all the other threads about what he is, but clearly somewhere between neutral and terrific), that decision also could have slapped the players around a bit.

I’m encouraged that Chase made it clear that we are still one of his “top options” and JP felt the need to send his clarifying tweet (and Milon hasn’t said anything publicly) - neither of which needed to happen and wouldn’t happen if they were 100% out the door, so there’s a chance the team stays together.

While this seems awkward and potentially unprofessional, any chance Huge talks to JP, Chase, Matt, Nate, etc to find out what it would take for them to stay? I mean, she has to look at this with a multi-year lens, so she can’t put too much weight on the opinions of any one person / player, but I just don’t see how she could ever talk about the Shaver decision and make it look positive in any way for herself if the entire set of stars on the team (a team that all agree at least has a chance to achieve her stated goal) defect. So what does she do to salvage this situation and keep the team together?


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This Milon thread seems to be based "on a source told @Stadium". Who is @Stadium and how reliable is it. Milon has not said anything publicly to my knowledge so this appears to be based on a nameless source.

Actually, when you think of it, why would Milon want to go to a third college in five years?
He becomes nothing more than a college vagabond and I'm not sure Matt is that kind of individual.

I know we are in peril of losing guys but this seems a little sketchy.
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(03-21-2019 05:39 AM)bubbadog57 Wrote:  This Milon thread seems to be based "on a source told @Stadium". Who is @Stadium and how reliable is it. Milon has not said anything publicly to my knowledge so this appears to be based on a nameless source.

Actually, when you think of it, why would Milon want to go to a third college in five years?
He becomes nothing more than a college vagabond and I'm not sure Matt is that kind of individual.

I know we are in peril of losing guys but this seems a little sketchy.


It was retweeted by Quinn and Jihar, liked by JP, Jihar, and someone with the last name of Milon (presumably a family member), so the news is legit.


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(03-21-2019 05:39 AM)bubbadog57 Wrote:  This Milon thread seems to be based "on a source told @Stadium". Who is @Stadium and how reliable is it. Milon has not said anything publicly to my knowledge so this appears to be based on a nameless source.

Actually, when you think of it, why would Milon want to go to a third college in five years?
He becomes nothing more than a college vagabond and I'm not sure Matt is that kind of individual.

I know we are in peril of losing guys but this seems a little sketchy.

Milon will graduate this spring and is a smart kid. He is going to have to enroll in a graduate program to continue to play basketball regardless of where he plays. The question for him should be whether he really wants a graduate degree or one more year of basketball and then quit the graduate program. Same for Pierce, but it think it's obvious that he wants to play professionally. Malinowski wanted a different degree and new environment. Schlottman left with a year remaining for a job and wanted to work instead of sitting on the bench. These are all decisions that the kids make. These decisions aren't necessarily a slam at William and Mary, especially when they get their degree here.
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I want to retain the current players and I want them pleased with the new hire. However, I think it's a bad idea to select a new coach with your players as part of the selection process. The move to a new coach is for a vision of the future. I want the current players happy, but it's not ultimately about appeasing them.
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(03-21-2019 12:46 AM)soccerguy315 Wrote:  Whenever there's a new coach, players consider transferring. It's perfectly reasonable to expect people to explore their options. We do that everyday in the work world. If there's a big change, you evaluate whether you want to stay where you are, or more to another job.

These kids are doing the same thing. They might stay. They might not. Up to them.

Sure, but they never should have been put in this situation in my opinion.
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(03-20-2019 10:43 PM)Zorch Wrote:  
(03-20-2019 10:30 PM)tribeintexas Wrote:  Now is the time for President Rowe to intervene. This fiasco will cost us 3 potential starters and maybe more not to mention many loyal supporters threatening to cut their donations. I think this has reached a point where AD Huge cannot resolve this mess. Those of us who can reach President Rowe should do so before it is too late.

I 100% agree. I have already done that earlier today -- and that was before the Audige/Milon news! I gave her my opinion that it was not too late for HER to turn this around (since no replacement for Tony has yet been named). If every other one of us on this board were to do the same then ....well, at least we will all know that we tried!
How would you suggest getting in touch with her for those of us who don’t know her? Can you share her contact information?
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(03-21-2019 04:57 AM)Tribe1693 Wrote:  
(03-20-2019 11:12 PM)Zorch Wrote:  
(03-20-2019 11:06 PM)wmmii Wrote:  
(03-20-2019 11:00 PM)TribeInTheBurg Wrote:  
(03-20-2019 10:30 PM)tribeintexas Wrote:  Now is the time for President Rowe to intervene. This fiasco will cost us 3 potential starters and maybe more not to mention many loyal supporters threatening to cut their donations. I think this has reached a point where AD Huge cannot resolve this mess. Those of us who can reach President Rowe should do so before it is too late.

I don't think this was Huge going out on her own. Appeals to others in the administration aren't likely to find sympathetic ears.

I agree Huge does not make the move without Rowe agreement but it never hurts to professionally express your disapproval.

I think that Huge instigated the move and was able to talk Rowe into it. I am 100% sure that both women were caught totally by surprise by the extent of the backlash. I think Huge will never voluntarily retract her move but I think that Rowe probably has better awareness of the optics involved and could thus overrule her. It might mean that Huge would have to resign in order to save face -- but I think Rowe should be willing to accept that resignation. That is why I have written to Rowe several times but I have not wasted my time writing to Huge.

I'd really hope that Rowe would step in and overrule her but I have no confidence in that. At both of the two football games I made this year I saw Rowe and Huge hug each other, laugh, and bounce around like two sorority sisters. Not the most professional of optics to me.

That's how I take it as well. This isn't just Huge, this is just one more move driven by new College leadership, to include the President and BOV. Nothing will happen, nothing will be said. Those who don't follow along will either be attempted to be shutdown (take note here) or smear leaks on the victims of all this (Tony Shaver).
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(03-21-2019 06:35 AM)88tribefan Wrote:  
(03-20-2019 10:43 PM)Zorch Wrote:  
(03-20-2019 10:30 PM)tribeintexas Wrote:  Now is the time for President Rowe to intervene. This fiasco will cost us 3 potential starters and maybe more not to mention many loyal supporters threatening to cut their donations. I think this has reached a point where AD Huge cannot resolve this mess. Those of us who can reach President Rowe should do so before it is too late.

I 100% agree. I have already done that earlier today -- and that was before the Audige/Milon news! I gave her my opinion that it was not too late for HER to turn this around (since no replacement for Tony has yet been named). If every other one of us on this board were to do the same then ....well, at least we will all know that we tried!
How would you suggest getting in touch with her for those of us who don’t know her? Can you share her contact information?
ROWE
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