Just out of curiosity....

I wonder how many of the people oozing outrage over this would do the EXACT SAME THING if in that position.

I think it's safe to say that any one of us would use our power, money, influence, position to "help" our children in whatever way they needed.

Like I said, it happens ALL THE TIME. Father uses his position to get an unqualified kid a job. Mother uses their influence to advance their kid's position.

This just happened to involve money. One man's "bribe" is another's "donation"...... Just think Clinton Foundation.

(03-15-2019 09:18 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  Just out of curiosity....

I wonder how many of the people oozing outrage over this would do the EXACT SAME THING if in that position.

I think it's safe to say that any one of us would use our power, money, influence, position to "help" our children in whatever way they needed.

Like I said, it happens ALL THE TIME. Father uses his position to get an unqualified kid a job. Mother uses their influence to advance their kid's position.

This just happened to involve money. One man's "bribe" is another's "donation"...... Just think Clinton Foundation.

As a parent I can honestly say I would not do that. I want to go about teaching my kids that the best things in life are earned. Not saying parents don't do things for their kids or want whats best but I think your goal as a parent is to help them become successful adults and this runs counter to that. Also imagine being the kid and realizing that the only reason you got into a school is because mommy and daddy paid to get you in. Personally I would be humiliated if that happened to me.

(03-15-2019 09:43 AM)k-vegasbuc Wrote:  

(03-15-2019 09:18 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  Just out of curiosity....

I wonder how many of the people oozing outrage over this would do the EXACT SAME THING if in that position.

I think it's safe to say that any one of us would use our power, money, influence, position to "help" our children in whatever way they needed.

Like I said, it happens ALL THE TIME. Father uses his position to get an unqualified kid a job. Mother uses their influence to advance their kid's position.

This just happened to involve money. One man's "bribe" is another's "donation"...... Just think Clinton Foundation.

As a parent I can honestly say I would not do that. I want to go about teaching my kids that the best things in life are earned. Not saying parents don't do things for their kids or want whats best but I think your goal as a parent is to help them become successful adults and this runs counter to that. Also imagine being the kid and realizing that the only reason you got into a school is because mommy and daddy paid to get you in. Personally I would be humiliated if that happened to me.

I can see that side of the argument. I don't have kids, but as much as I would want to see the child succeed and learn the right lessons, I also wouldn't want the kid to suffer or be put in a position where they could fail. If I had it in my power to make sure the kid didn't have to be disadvantaged or made sure they were put in a position to overcome any shortcomings, I think it would be almost impossible to not do something.

I can also see the side of the "rich" as well. Would it be any less humiliating to your kid to be left behind by their peers because they couldn't "cut it"? Especially in today's social media/Instagram world.

Might not be a big deal to those of us in flyover country, but it's a different world on the left coast.

(03-15-2019 09:59 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(03-15-2019 09:43 AM)k-vegasbuc Wrote:  

(03-15-2019 09:18 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  Just out of curiosity....

I wonder how many of the people oozing outrage over this would do the EXACT SAME THING if in that position.

I think it's safe to say that any one of us would use our power, money, influence, position to "help" our children in whatever way they needed.

Like I said, it happens ALL THE TIME. Father uses his position to get an unqualified kid a job. Mother uses their influence to advance their kid's position.

This just happened to involve money. One man's "bribe" is another's "donation"...... Just think Clinton Foundation.

As a parent I can honestly say I would not do that. I want to go about teaching my kids that the best things in life are earned. Not saying parents don't do things for their kids or want whats best but I think your goal as a parent is to help them become successful adults and this runs counter to that. Also imagine being the kid and realizing that the only reason you got into a school is because mommy and daddy paid to get you in. Personally I would be humiliated if that happened to me.

I can see that side of the argument. I don't have kids, but as much as I would want to see the child succeed and learn the right lessons, I also wouldn't want the kid to suffer or be put in a position where they could fail. If I had it in my power to make sure the kid didn't have to be disadvantaged or made sure they were put in a position to overcome any shortcomings, I think it would be almost impossible to not do something.

I can also see the side of the "rich" as well. Would it be any less humiliating to your kid to be left behind by their peers because they couldn't "cut it"? Especially in today's social media/Instagram world.

Might not be a big deal to those of us in flyover country, but it's a different world on the left coast.

If you do have children, I hope your take changes. Suffering and disappointment builds character and determination. Parents being upset because their kid didn't win and felt bad about it is what led to the "everybody gets a trophy" generation that has been crying since Trump got elected and now favors socialism.

This has nothing to do with what party you belong to. It has to do with wealth. The people with the money cheat their way or their kids way into college, business and so forth. That is what happened to Hostess when they asked their employees to take a pay cut and all that, and then they turned around and give themselves a raise which then they went out of business. The CEO and exec board fleeced money away from the people who worked hard for, give themselves a raise by bilking more money away from the business and then go out of business. We have corporate fraud going on because CEOs and that get too greedy. This is what is going on here. It is part of the greed culture in capitalism. That capitalism is a new term and was not part of our fore-fathers. The term came about 1950s.

(03-15-2019 04:30 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  This has nothing to do with what party you belong to. It has to do with wealth. The people with the money cheat their way or their kids way into college, business and so forth. That is what happened to Hostess when they asked their employees to take a pay cut and all that, and then they turned around and give themselves a raise which then they went out of business. The CEO and exec board fleeced money away from the people who worked hard for, give themselves a raise by bilking more money away from the business and then go out of business. We have corporate fraud going on because CEOs and that get too greedy. This is what is going on here. It is part of the greed culture in capitalism. That capitalism is a new term and was not part of our fore-fathers. The term came about 1950s.

https://freebeacon.com/columns/our-bankrupt-elite/

(03-15-2019 09:18 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  Just out of curiosity....

I wonder how many of the people oozing outrage over this would do the EXACT SAME THING if in that position.

I think it's safe to say that any one of us would use our power, money, influence, position to "help" our children in whatever way they needed.

Like I said, it happens ALL THE TIME. Father uses his position to get an unqualified kid a job. Mother uses their influence to advance their kid's position.

This just happened to involve money. One man's "bribe" is another's "donation"...... Just think Clinton Foundation.

I would absolutely use money to get my kids into the best school they wanted to go to. Of course money wouldn't change my core belief that my children should value education and always strive to be the best they can be in whatever endeavor they undertake.

But we're going through the college process now with my junior and sophomore. If I would win the lottery, one of my first calls would be to say Vanderbilt or Washington University (my older ones' top two choices at the moment) admission offices to let them know we wouldn't need any tuition discounts. And to ask them about their ongoing fundraising efforts :)

(03-15-2019 04:02 PM)banker Wrote:  

(03-15-2019 09:59 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(03-15-2019 09:43 AM)k-vegasbuc Wrote:  

(03-15-2019 09:18 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  Just out of curiosity....

I wonder how many of the people oozing outrage over this would do the EXACT SAME THING if in that position.

I think it's safe to say that any one of us would use our power, money, influence, position to "help" our children in whatever way they needed.

Like I said, it happens ALL THE TIME. Father uses his position to get an unqualified kid a job. Mother uses their influence to advance their kid's position.

This just happened to involve money. One man's "bribe" is another's "donation"...... Just think Clinton Foundation.

As a parent I can honestly say I would not do that. I want to go about teaching my kids that the best things in life are earned. Not saying parents don't do things for their kids or want whats best but I think your goal as a parent is to help them become successful adults and this runs counter to that. Also imagine being the kid and realizing that the only reason you got into a school is because mommy and daddy paid to get you in. Personally I would be humiliated if that happened to me.

I can see that side of the argument. I don't have kids, but as much as I would want to see the child succeed and learn the right lessons, I also wouldn't want the kid to suffer or be put in a position where they could fail. If I had it in my power to make sure the kid didn't have to be disadvantaged or made sure they were put in a position to overcome any shortcomings, I think it would be almost impossible to not do something.

I can also see the side of the "rich" as well. Would it be any less humiliating to your kid to be left behind by their peers because they couldn't "cut it"? Especially in today's social media/Instagram world.

Might not be a big deal to those of us in flyover country, but it's a different world on the left coast.

If you do have children, I hope your take changes. Suffering and disappointment builds character and determination. Parents being upset because their kid didn't win and felt bad about it is what led to the "everybody gets a trophy" generation that has been crying since Trump got elected and now favors socialism.

I would think that part of being a parent would be the ability to be honest, especially with yourself. If you know your child isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer and you had the means to help them along, I find it hard to believe you would let them drown just to teach them a lesson.



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(03-15-2019 08:55 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  One of the mom's busted recently held a fundraiser for Gillibrand.

https://pagesix.com/2019/03/14/mom-ensna...last-week/

She better save some of that money for her bail.

(03-15-2019 09:18 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  Just out of curiosity....

I wonder how many of the people oozing outrage over this would do the EXACT SAME THING if in that position.

I think it's safe to say that any one of us would use our power, money, influence, position to "help" our children in whatever way they needed.

Like I said, it happens ALL THE TIME. Father uses his position to get an unqualified kid a job. Mother uses their influence to advance their kid's position.

This just happened to involve money. One man's "bribe" is another's "donation"...... Just think Clinton Foundation.

There's a difference between giving money to a school to get your child in and what was going on here. Here they were cheating on the SAT or falsifying their applications and saying they were recruiting athletes while bribing the coaches.

In one case its an honest quid pro quo with the admissions office. In the other, its deceiving the admissions office.

We're paying for SAT coaching, but it would not cross my mind to even do the donation bit, let alone going this far.

(03-15-2019 06:41 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(03-15-2019 04:02 PM)banker Wrote:  

(03-15-2019 09:59 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(03-15-2019 09:43 AM)k-vegasbuc Wrote:  

(03-15-2019 09:18 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  Just out of curiosity....

I wonder how many of the people oozing outrage over this would do the EXACT SAME THING if in that position.

I think it's safe to say that any one of us would use our power, money, influence, position to "help" our children in whatever way they needed.

Like I said, it happens ALL THE TIME. Father uses his position to get an unqualified kid a job. Mother uses their influence to advance their kid's position.

This just happened to involve money. One man's "bribe" is another's "donation"...... Just think Clinton Foundation.

As a parent I can honestly say I would not do that. I want to go about teaching my kids that the best things in life are earned. Not saying parents don't do things for their kids or want whats best but I think your goal as a parent is to help them become successful adults and this runs counter to that. Also imagine being the kid and realizing that the only reason you got into a school is because mommy and daddy paid to get you in. Personally I would be humiliated if that happened to me.

I can see that side of the argument. I don't have kids, but as much as I would want to see the child succeed and learn the right lessons, I also wouldn't want the kid to suffer or be put in a position where they could fail. If I had it in my power to make sure the kid didn't have to be disadvantaged or made sure they were put in a position to overcome any shortcomings, I think it would be almost impossible to not do something.

I can also see the side of the "rich" as well. Would it be any less humiliating to your kid to be left behind by their peers because they couldn't "cut it"? Especially in today's social media/Instagram world.

Might not be a big deal to those of us in flyover country, but it's a different world on the left coast.

If you do have children, I hope your take changes. Suffering and disappointment builds character and determination. Parents being upset because their kid didn't win and felt bad about it is what led to the "everybody gets a trophy" generation that has been crying since Trump got elected and now favors socialism.

I would think that part of being a parent would be the ability to be honest, especially with yourself. If you know your child isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer and you had the means to help them along, I find it hard to believe you would let them drown just to teach them a lesson.



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I have a saying, when you try to protect your children from everything, you prepare them for nothing. If your kid isn't the sharpest Knife, or lacks the motivation, what good are you doing by throwing them into a situation where they will not prosper? Are you going to buy their grades all the way through school also?

It's not letting them drown, it's teaching them that they have to learn how to swim because you won't always be there to hold their head above water. It's also not enforcing the false narrative that you have to go to some "elite" school to prosper.

(03-15-2019 09:18 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  Just out of curiosity....

I wonder how many of the people oozing outrage over this would do the EXACT SAME THING if in that position.

I think it's safe to say that any one of us would use our power, money, influence, position to "help" our children in whatever way they needed.

Like I said, it happens ALL THE TIME. Father uses his position to get an unqualified kid a job. Mother uses their influence to advance their kid's position.

This just happened to involve money. One man's "bribe" is another's "donation"...... Just think Clinton Foundation.

Not a chance.

I did what I could from the “sidelines”, but never once approached or tried to influence a decision from a third party.

Especially unfairly.

It was sink or swim baby. They’ve both swam well.

(03-15-2019 04:30 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  This has nothing to do with what party you belong to. It has to do with wealth. The people with the money cheat their way or their kids way into college, business and so forth. That is what happened to Hostess when they asked their employees to take a pay cut and all that, and then they turned around and give themselves a raise which then they went out of business. The CEO and exec board fleeced money away from the people who worked hard for, give themselves a raise by bilking more money away from the business and then go out of business. We have corporate fraud going on because CEOs and that get too greedy. This is what is going on here. It is part of the greed culture in capitalism. That capitalism is a new term and was not part of our fore-fathers. The term came about 1950s.

Yea,

And “all that”

Smdh

(03-15-2019 06:41 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(03-15-2019 04:02 PM)banker Wrote:  

(03-15-2019 09:59 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(03-15-2019 09:43 AM)k-vegasbuc Wrote:  

(03-15-2019 09:18 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  Just out of curiosity....

I wonder how many of the people oozing outrage over this would do the EXACT SAME THING if in that position.

I think it's safe to say that any one of us would use our power, money, influence, position to "help" our children in whatever way they needed.

Like I said, it happens ALL THE TIME. Father uses his position to get an unqualified kid a job. Mother uses their influence to advance their kid's position.

This just happened to involve money. One man's "bribe" is another's "donation"...... Just think Clinton Foundation.

As a parent I can honestly say I would not do that. I want to go about teaching my kids that the best things in life are earned. Not saying parents don't do things for their kids or want whats best but I think your goal as a parent is to help them become successful adults and this runs counter to that. Also imagine being the kid and realizing that the only reason you got into a school is because mommy and daddy paid to get you in. Personally I would be humiliated if that happened to me.

I can see that side of the argument. I don't have kids, but as much as I would want to see the child succeed and learn the right lessons, I also wouldn't want the kid to suffer or be put in a position where they could fail. If I had it in my power to make sure the kid didn't have to be disadvantaged or made sure they were put in a position to overcome any shortcomings, I think it would be almost impossible to not do something.

I can also see the side of the "rich" as well. Would it be any less humiliating to your kid to be left behind by their peers because they couldn't "cut it"? Especially in today's social media/Instagram world.

Might not be a big deal to those of us in flyover country, but it's a different world on the left coast.

If you do have children, I hope your take changes. Suffering and disappointment builds character and determination. Parents being upset because their kid didn't win and felt bad about it is what led to the "everybody gets a trophy" generation that has been crying since Trump got elected and now favors socialism.

I would think that part of being a parent would be the ability to be honest, especially with yourself. If you know your child isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer and you had the means to help them along, I find it hard to believe you would let them drown just to teach them a lesson.



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Let them down?!?

How so?

I’ve got two in college now.

Lemme know if you want details.

The lovely and talented Mrs Dunk asked at dinner last night (jokingly) if we should consider suing UVA, Boston U, W&M, and U of Chicago for wait listing our daughter...

Of course the response was, no. She apparently didn’t make the grade.

She’s now a rising junior and loves where she is. Same as my rising senior son, both found a very happy place.

Parchment be parchment. Who cares?

(03-16-2019 12:09 AM)banker Wrote:  

(03-15-2019 06:41 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(03-15-2019 04:02 PM)banker Wrote:  

(03-15-2019 09:59 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(03-15-2019 09:43 AM)k-vegasbuc Wrote:  As a parent I can honestly say I would not do that. I want to go about teaching my kids that the best things in life are earned. Not saying parents don't do things for their kids or want whats best but I think your goal as a parent is to help them become successful adults and this runs counter to that. Also imagine being the kid and realizing that the only reason you got into a school is because mommy and daddy paid to get you in. Personally I would be humiliated if that happened to me.

I can see that side of the argument. I don't have kids, but as much as I would want to see the child succeed and learn the right lessons, I also wouldn't want the kid to suffer or be put in a position where they could fail. If I had it in my power to make sure the kid didn't have to be disadvantaged or made sure they were put in a position to overcome any shortcomings, I think it would be almost impossible to not do something.

I can also see the side of the "rich" as well. Would it be any less humiliating to your kid to be left behind by their peers because they couldn't "cut it"? Especially in today's social media/Instagram world.

Might not be a big deal to those of us in flyover country, but it's a different world on the left coast.

If you do have children, I hope your take changes. Suffering and disappointment builds character and determination. Parents being upset because their kid didn't win and felt bad about it is what led to the "everybody gets a trophy" generation that has been crying since Trump got elected and now favors socialism.

I would think that part of being a parent would be the ability to be honest, especially with yourself. If you know your child isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer and you had the means to help them along, I find it hard to believe you would let them drown just to teach them a lesson.



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I have a saying, when you try to protect your children from everything, you prepare them for nothing. If your kid isn't the sharpest Knife, or lacks the motivation, what good are you doing by throwing them into a situation where they will not prosper? Are you going to buy their grades all the way through school also?

It's not letting them drown, it's teaching them that they have to learn how to swim because you won't always be there to hold their head above water. It's also not enforcing the false narrative that you have to go to some "elite" school to prosper.

I agree, and the reality is your kids are going to have weaknesses in some areas and strengths in others. I have always tried to help them with their weaknesses and reinforce those strengths. I also think it is important for a child's confidence to know they accomplished something on their own merit. I certainly help my children at times but I also encourage them to first try and figure things out on their own. Do I want my kids to go to the best schools, absolutely, but am I going to cheat the system and spend hundreds of thousands of dollars like these people did to get them into schools they didn't earn? Absolutely not, because it's not helping my kids, if anything it is hurting them.

(03-13-2019 01:57 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  "Operation Varsity Blues".... bahahahaha

https://twitter.com/vanderjames/status/1...30720?s=21


When you get it.

My son followed his mom and me to Rice, and we were very happy about that, and also about what he has accomplished since then.

He would very likely have gotten in anyway on his merits, but we probably did grease the skids a bit. We certainly never resorted to anything even remotely approaching any of this stuff. We travelled a lot with Rice sports teams, primarily because we supported athletics financially, and often there were a lot of administrative staff along on the trips, frequently including the director of admissions. So my son got to know him pretty well. I have no idea ow much, if any, that influenced the admissions decision.

He was quite ready to go to TexasU, and the plans were to buy a house in Austin over the summer, let 3 or 4 of his friends be rent-paying roommates, and sell the house for a profit upon graduation. But he attended what I think was called Owl Weekend, basically a welcome aboard weekend in the spring for incoming fall freshmen, and came home firmly set on going to Rice. The only thing that he ever talked about was how much fun he had playing something called "tennis-golf." When we asked him how to play it, he started with, "First you need two cases of beer and a shopping cart," and we really didn't pay much attention after that. His buddies that had been counting on him for a place to live had to do a bunch of scrambling to make other arrangements, but that worked out okay in the end. A couple of the buddies actually got caught up in the Austin/TexasU social scene and flunked out, so we were quite happy he ended up at Rice.

(03-16-2019 08:09 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  My son followed his mom and me to Rice, and we were very happy about that, and also about what he has accomplished since then.

He would very likely have gotten in anyway on his merits, but we probably did grease the skids a bit. We certainly never resorted to anything even remotely approaching any of this stuff. We travelled a lot with Rice sports teams, primarily because we supported athletics financially, and often there were a lot of administrative staff along on the trips, frequently including the director of admissions. So my son got to know him pretty well. I have no idea ow much, if any, that influenced the admissions decision.

He was quite ready to go to TexasU, and the plans were to buy a house in Austin over the summer, let 3 or 4 of his friends be rent-paying roommates, and sell the house for a profit upon graduation. But he attended what I think was called Owl Weekend, basically a welcome aboard weekend in the spring for incoming fall freshmen, and came home firmly set on going to Rice. The only thing that he ever talked about was how much fun he had playing something called "tennis-golf." When we asked him how to play it, he started with, "First you need two cases of beer and a shopping cart," and we really didn't pay much attention after that. His buddies that had been counting on him for a place to live had to do a bunch of scrambling to make other arrangements, but that worked out okay in the end. A couple of the buddies actually got caught up in the Austin/TexasU social scene and flunked out, so we were quite happy he ended up at Rice.

His being a double Rice Legacy probably helped more than anything else. I helps to be a Legacy at any school with very competitive admissions. It's worth "points" during app scoring.

He did have to meet the mins to qualify to get in though and kudos to him for making the grade.

(03-16-2019 09:13 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(03-16-2019 08:09 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  My son followed his mom and me to Rice, and we were very happy about that, and also about what he has accomplished since then.

He would very likely have gotten in anyway on his merits, but we probably did grease the skids a bit. We certainly never resorted to anything even remotely approaching any of this stuff. We travelled a lot with Rice sports teams, primarily because we supported athletics financially, and often there were a lot of administrative staff along on the trips, frequently including the director of admissions. So my son got to know him pretty well. I have no idea ow much, if any, that influenced the admissions decision.

He was quite ready to go to TexasU, and the plans were to buy a house in Austin over the summer, let 3 or 4 of his friends be rent-paying roommates, and sell the house for a profit upon graduation. But he attended what I think was called Owl Weekend, basically a welcome aboard weekend in the spring for incoming fall freshmen, and came home firmly set on going to Rice. The only thing that he ever talked about was how much fun he had playing something called "tennis-golf." When we asked him how to play it, he started with, "First you need two cases of beer and a shopping cart," and we really didn't pay much attention after that. His buddies that had been counting on him for a place to live had to do a bunch of scrambling to make other arrangements, but that worked out okay in the end. A couple of the buddies actually got caught up in the Austin/TexasU social scene and flunked out, so we were quite happy he ended up at Rice.

His being a double Rice Legacy probably helped more than anything else. I helps to be a Legacy at any school with very competitive admissions. It's worth "points" during app scoring.

He did have to meet the mins to qualify to get in though and kudos to him for making the grade.

Another version of Affirmative action