(02-21-2019 03:13 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  I'd love to hear the rationale behind thinking that I should have to pay for "slave reparations" when my ancestors were still in Ireland & Germany when slavery was happening here.

Besides being a desperate and blatant attempt to buy votes from black people that is.....

You already know what the answer is:

Socialism! Because everybody but the elites should experience equal suckage!

(02-21-2019 03:06 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(02-21-2019 02:41 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  Does any Democrat support hard work and personal responsibility?

I think John Kennedy did, but that was more than half a century ago now.

LBJ torched the dems moving forward...

#muhgreatsociety

(02-21-2019 03:17 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(02-21-2019 03:13 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  I'd love to hear the rationale behind thinking that I should have to pay for "slave reparations" when my ancestors were still in Ireland & Germany when slavery was happening here.

Besides being a desperate and blatant attempt to buy votes from black people that is.....

You already know what the answer is:

Socialism! Because everybody but the elites should experience equal suckage!

Bingo.

The rising tide does raise all boats, but because it raises some boats more than others it is inherently "unfair" and must be eliminated.

Why create opportunities when you can spread the misery equally?

(02-21-2019 03:40 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(02-21-2019 03:17 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(02-21-2019 03:13 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  I'd love to hear the rationale behind thinking that I should have to pay for "slave reparations" when my ancestors were still in Ireland & Germany when slavery was happening here.

Besides being a desperate and blatant attempt to buy votes from black people that is.....

You already know what the answer is:

Socialism! Because everybody but the elites should experience equal suckage!

Bingo.

The rising tide does raise all boats, but because it raises some boats more than others it is inherently "unfair" and must be eliminated.

Why create opportunities when you can spread the misery equally?

#incentive

the branches over the decades have given that up to pandering....

one is living in a cave if they don't understand how ethics and value create 'matter'....

we live in dipshite land....if not DJT, then line 1b) was right around the corner...

My great, great, great granddaddy was a slave back in 1860 - and because of that I cannot buy a house today - so the government should do it for me!

Does everybody have to pay or just all the crackers whose family was here when it happened? Some of us didn't get here till long after that.

(02-21-2019 02:41 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  #FK DEM!

dems have had nothing and it's coming to light as the earth spins on its axis....

Sure they do.

Give away other peoples hard earned schit.

Forget that more white folks are living in poverty or that more of them are on foodstamps etc than anyone else. Toss in chronic opioid deaths and suicides and things are just all bubble gum and roses in honky-land

(02-21-2019 04:20 PM)BuffaloTN Wrote:  Does everybody have to pay or just all the crackers whose family was here when it happened? Some of us didn't get here till long after that.

1) Will the actual descendants of slave owners be the only ones that pay, or will the descendants of those that tolerated the practice only have to pay too?

2) Will families with ancestors that fought for the Union get exempted or discounted?

3) Will families with ancestors that died fighting for the Union be exempted?

Lots of fun directions for this to go. Generational guilt is so very Klingon!

This will be a big winning issue for the Dems. What happens when the gov gives reparations and a year later most of the recipients are still broke, living in poverty & unemployed?

(02-21-2019 04:20 PM)BuffaloTN Wrote:  Does everybody have to pay or just all the crackers whose family was here when it happened? Some of us didn't get here till long after that.

exactly. They want to this...they better make the shiite fair. Direct descendants of slave owners can get taxed... direct descendants of slaves can get paid..

my forefathers came from Sicily and were poor as dirt... they don't owe any slave descendants a god**n thing...

(02-21-2019 04:20 PM)BuffaloTN Wrote:  Does everybody have to pay or just all the crackers whose family was here when it happened? Some of us didn't get here till long after that.

ze germanic loins didn't arrive until the early 20th....

hockey puck dems and the Sabers too(th)....

muh Blues are Lazarus now....

(02-21-2019 03:06 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(02-21-2019 02:46 PM)No Bull Wrote:  here is more from the article.

Spartacus has a plan.

Mr. Booker “is running for president to reignite our sense of common purpose to build a more fair and just nation — that means enacting policies that atone for this nation’s history of intentionally discriminatory public policy toward African-Americans,” said Michael Tyler, a spokesman for his campaign. “You cannot address the systemic racism unique to this country without proposing race-conscious solutions.”

Unique to this country? LOL

Yea, that caught me too. Guess that's what they're being spoonfed in our Gubment run schools these days.

Time to privatize our schools too.

(02-21-2019 03:13 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(02-21-2019 02:40 PM)No Bull Wrote:  Click here for New York Times article on Racial Socialism.


Last week, Senator Kamala Harris of California agreed with a radio host’s recent suggestion that government reparations for black Americans were necessary to address the legacies of slavery and discrimination. Ms. Harris later affirmed that support in a statement to The Times.

“We have to be honest that people in this country do not start from the same place or have access to the same opportunities,” she said. “I’m serious about taking an approach that would change policies and structures and make real investments in black communities.”


Elizabeth Warren also said she supported reparations for black Americans impacted by slavery — a policy that experts say could cost several trillion dollars, and one that Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders and many top Democrats have not supported.

The Warren campaign declined to give further details on that backing, but it came amid her calls for the federal government to provide special home-buying assistance to residents of communities that were adversely affected by “redlining,” the discriminatory practice of denying mortgages, usually in poor and nonwhite areas. She also announced a sweeping universal child-care proposal that could strongly benefit minority communities that often have limited early childhood services.

That two leading Democratic candidates have embraced reparations — the concept that the federal government should both acknowledge the ongoing legacy of slavery and discrimination and provide compensatory payment to those affected — is a major shift from past presidential campaigns and a win for activists who have tried to push the issue into the mainstream for decades.

María Urbina, national policy director for the progressive group Indivisible, said that after years of being pushed by activists, the Democratic Party was getting closer to applying its liberal values to racial equality. Policies like reparations or Cory Bookers “baby bonds” that seek to close the racial wealth gap, she said, should be viewed similarly to idealistic programs that have been embraced by Democrats seeking the presidential nomination, including the Green New Deal and “Medicare for all.”

I'd love to hear the rationale behind thinking that I should have to pay for "slave reparations" when my ancestors were still in Ireland & Germany when slavery was happening here.

Besides being a desperate and blatant attempt to buy votes from black people that is.....

My ancestors were here. They lived in Vermont and Pa Dutch country and ran a bakery and small farms. Some fought in the Revolution, others for the Union years later. Nary a slave amongst them, guess I'm on the hook then.

(02-21-2019 04:37 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-21-2019 03:13 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(02-21-2019 02:40 PM)No Bull Wrote:  Click here for New York Times article on Racial Socialism.


Last week, Senator Kamala Harris of California agreed with a radio host’s recent suggestion that government reparations for black Americans were necessary to address the legacies of slavery and discrimination. Ms. Harris later affirmed that support in a statement to The Times.

“We have to be honest that people in this country do not start from the same place or have access to the same opportunities,” she said. “I’m serious about taking an approach that would change policies and structures and make real investments in black communities.”


Elizabeth Warren also said she supported reparations for black Americans impacted by slavery — a policy that experts say could cost several trillion dollars, and one that Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders and many top Democrats have not supported.

The Warren campaign declined to give further details on that backing, but it came amid her calls for the federal government to provide special home-buying assistance to residents of communities that were adversely affected by “redlining,” the discriminatory practice of denying mortgages, usually in poor and nonwhite areas. She also announced a sweeping universal child-care proposal that could strongly benefit minority communities that often have limited early childhood services.

That two leading Democratic candidates have embraced reparations — the concept that the federal government should both acknowledge the ongoing legacy of slavery and discrimination and provide compensatory payment to those affected — is a major shift from past presidential campaigns and a win for activists who have tried to push the issue into the mainstream for decades.

María Urbina, national policy director for the progressive group Indivisible, said that after years of being pushed by activists, the Democratic Party was getting closer to applying its liberal values to racial equality. Policies like reparations or Cory Bookers “baby bonds” that seek to close the racial wealth gap, she said, should be viewed similarly to idealistic programs that have been embraced by Democrats seeking the presidential nomination, including the Green New Deal and “Medicare for all.”

I'd love to hear the rationale behind thinking that I should have to pay for "slave reparations" when my ancestors were still in Ireland & Germany when slavery was happening here.

Besides being a desperate and blatant attempt to buy votes from black people that is.....

My ancestors were here. They lived in Vermont and Pa Dutch country and ran a bakery and small farms. Some fought in the Revolution, others for the Union years later. Nary a slave amongst them, guess I'm on the hook then.

this sounds like white privilege to me... grab your checkbook.

Please make your check payable to the Kamala Harris Foundation.

(02-21-2019 04:37 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-21-2019 03:13 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(02-21-2019 02:40 PM)No Bull Wrote:  Click here for New York Times article on Racial Socialism.


Last week, Senator Kamala Harris of California agreed with a radio host’s recent suggestion that government reparations for black Americans were necessary to address the legacies of slavery and discrimination. Ms. Harris later affirmed that support in a statement to The Times.

“We have to be honest that people in this country do not start from the same place or have access to the same opportunities,” she said. “I’m serious about taking an approach that would change policies and structures and make real investments in black communities.”


Elizabeth Warren also said she supported reparations for black Americans impacted by slavery — a policy that experts say could cost several trillion dollars, and one that Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders and many top Democrats have not supported.

The Warren campaign declined to give further details on that backing, but it came amid her calls for the federal government to provide special home-buying assistance to residents of communities that were adversely affected by “redlining,” the discriminatory practice of denying mortgages, usually in poor and nonwhite areas. She also announced a sweeping universal child-care proposal that could strongly benefit minority communities that often have limited early childhood services.

That two leading Democratic candidates have embraced reparations — the concept that the federal government should both acknowledge the ongoing legacy of slavery and discrimination and provide compensatory payment to those affected — is a major shift from past presidential campaigns and a win for activists who have tried to push the issue into the mainstream for decades.

María Urbina, national policy director for the progressive group Indivisible, said that after years of being pushed by activists, the Democratic Party was getting closer to applying its liberal values to racial equality. Policies like reparations or Cory Bookers “baby bonds” that seek to close the racial wealth gap, she said, should be viewed similarly to idealistic programs that have been embraced by Democrats seeking the presidential nomination, including the Green New Deal and “Medicare for all.”

I'd love to hear the rationale behind thinking that I should have to pay for "slave reparations" when my ancestors were still in Ireland & Germany when slavery was happening here.

Besides being a desperate and blatant attempt to buy votes from black people that is.....

My ancestors were here. They lived in Vermont and Pa Dutch country and ran a bakery and small farms. Some fought in the Revolution, others for the Union years later. Nary a slave amongst them, guess I'm on the hook then.

(02-21-2019 04:48 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(02-21-2019 04:37 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-21-2019 03:13 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(02-21-2019 02:40 PM)No Bull Wrote:  Click here for New York Times article on Racial Socialism.


Last week, Senator Kamala Harris of California agreed with a radio host’s recent suggestion that government reparations for black Americans were necessary to address the legacies of slavery and discrimination. Ms. Harris later affirmed that support in a statement to The Times.

“We have to be honest that people in this country do not start from the same place or have access to the same opportunities,” she said. “I’m serious about taking an approach that would change policies and structures and make real investments in black communities.”


Elizabeth Warren also said she supported reparations for black Americans impacted by slavery — a policy that experts say could cost several trillion dollars, and one that Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders and many top Democrats have not supported.

The Warren campaign declined to give further details on that backing, but it came amid her calls for the federal government to provide special home-buying assistance to residents of communities that were adversely affected by “redlining,” the discriminatory practice of denying mortgages, usually in poor and nonwhite areas. She also announced a sweeping universal child-care proposal that could strongly benefit minority communities that often have limited early childhood services.

That two leading Democratic candidates have embraced reparations — the concept that the federal government should both acknowledge the ongoing legacy of slavery and discrimination and provide compensatory payment to those affected — is a major shift from past presidential campaigns and a win for activists who have tried to push the issue into the mainstream for decades.

María Urbina, national policy director for the progressive group Indivisible, said that after years of being pushed by activists, the Democratic Party was getting closer to applying its liberal values to racial equality. Policies like reparations or Cory Bookers “baby bonds” that seek to close the racial wealth gap, she said, should be viewed similarly to idealistic programs that have been embraced by Democrats seeking the presidential nomination, including the Green New Deal and “Medicare for all.”

I'd love to hear the rationale behind thinking that I should have to pay for "slave reparations" when my ancestors were still in Ireland & Germany when slavery was happening here.

Besides being a desperate and blatant attempt to buy votes from black people that is.....

My ancestors were here. They lived in Vermont and Pa Dutch country and ran a bakery and small farms. Some fought in the Revolution, others for the Union years later. Nary a slave amongst them, guess I'm on the hook then.

No 40 acres and a mule for me?
/sadface

Are they going to take money from me and give it to Lebron?

(02-21-2019 05:35 PM)Chappy Wrote:  Are they going to take money from me and give it to Lebron?

As long as the Democrats:

1. Accept responsibility for the institution of slavery, efforts to keep slavery in the Southern states, Jim Crow laws, voter suppression laws, the failed "Great Society"/welfare state policies which have resulted in both broken families and generational dependency and crime-ridden inner cities
2. Apologize for those injustices
3. Vow to abandon the failed policies
   

Then I'm OK with them using their campaign war chests to pay reparations to heirs of those they wronged.


Just stop trying to blame the rest of America for your sins.

(02-21-2019 04:32 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(02-21-2019 04:20 PM)BuffaloTN Wrote:  Does everybody have to pay or just all the crackers whose family was here when it happened? Some of us didn't get here till long after that.

exactly. They want to this...they better make the shiite fair. Direct descendants of slave owners can get taxed... direct descendants of slaves can get paid..

my forefathers came from Sicily and were poor as dirt... they don't owe any slave descendants a god**n thing...

The very first justification given will be the fact that slave owners were compensated to the tune of $150 per slave, but the slaves never received anything.

Never mind the fact the North took far more than $150 per slave during the period euphemistically called “Reconstruction”, and didn’t hesitate to take from people who never profited from slavery.

The second justification will be Lincoln’s “40 acres and a mule” promise.

Never mind the fact that this is an obscure reference taken out of context in a speech about what every American deserves, and never factored into either Lincoln’s, Grant’s, or Congress’s plans for post-war reconstruction.

The third justification will be the “centuries of horrible treatment by whites” that black people have suffered.

Never mind the fact that very few of today’s blacks can legitimately make the claim that they’ve been mistreated or denied opportunity. Almost all have had the same opportunities as the people of other races living nearby. We all want the opportunities afforded those who live in gated communities and put their teen drivers in range rovers.

...and it will keep going from there.

Only 1.8% of the free population owned five or more slaves in 1860, according to that year’s census data.

According to multiple studies on the subject, just 31% of whites in the states that seceded benefited directly from slavery. The remaining 69% were almost entirely subsistence farmers of a type we more commonly associate with African poverty these days.

The $150 per slave payments were essentially tax rebates. Because the slaves had been declared “free men”, and not “property”, former slave owners had a persuasive case at hand for the illegal and unconstitutional collecting of taxes on the basis that slaves were taxable property. The payments were basically a settlement meant to forestall a law suit. They were not, as the reparations movement claims, “reparations paid to slave owners for their lost slaves”.

Today, there are 80 million people claiming Irish descent in America. Compare that to just 4.78 million people in the Republic of Ireland and 1.88 million more people in Northern Ireland. There are documented cases of many of these antecedents arriving in America in chains, being treated like subhumans, having their families torn apart for profit, and being subjected to corporal punishment on flimsy grounds. Yet, precisely no one is suggesting that they should receive reparations, even though Lincoln’s “40 acres and a mule” misquoted speech technically applies to them as well.