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(02-11-2019 09:27 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:
(02-10-2019 10:01 PM)WKUYG Wrote: The UNCC stadium is too small (even if the school cant fill the seats) but it shouldn't jump from 15k to 45k.
Pretty sure 30k is the next step, not 40k. Charlotte's stadium was designed to expand to 40k (not 45k) without demolition of existing structures (minus concrete areas on the concourses). Most of the recent talk has been about building to the original 40K size (alumium bench seating) but making the individual seating area larger so the expansion was only to 30k seats.
current stadium:
30k as next step makes sense, start filling that before going to 40k+. I think Marshall expanded too fast and now has problems filling the 38k stadium and I believe that impacts season ticket sales since in recent history getting good single game tix isn't a problem.
(This post was last modified: 02-11-2019 07:49 PM by THE NC Herd Fan.)
Getting a P5 at home every other year or once every 3 years isn't a reason to expand. Your stadium setups up nicely to bring in temporary bleachers for the occasional large crowd games.
That said, 15k stadium does have a bush-league feel. Maybe bumping to 25k would help with recruiting, which seems you guys struggle in that area. However, until you consistently are at 80% capacity for most of your games, seems odd to expand just to expand.
We already are at 80% + capacity most games. Also, tell me how many other cusa teams fill 80% of their seats most game and I mean with actual people in them.
RE: Which teams should leave FBS? Here’s a serious answer
(02-11-2019 09:00 PM)odu09 Wrote: Clt masterfully diverted the thread from putting us into fcs discussion to a uncc stadium expansion thread. Truly a magician at work
Getting a P5 at home every other year or once every 3 years isn't a reason to expand. Your stadium setups up nicely to bring in temporary bleachers for the occasional large crowd games.
That said, 15k stadium does have a bush-league feel. Maybe bumping to 25k would help with recruiting, which seems you guys struggle in that area. However, until you consistently are at 80% capacity for most of your games, seems odd to expand just to expand.
We already are at 80% + capacity most games. Also, tell me how many other cusa teams fill 80% of their seats most game and I mean with actual people in them.
Let’s keep it in perspective. If they had 15k capacity, most of them. Other than ODU, not sure if any other team needs to expand. The USM game looked to be about 50% capacity when I was there this season.
I get why your fans would want a stadium bigger than 15k. I hope you guys do expand and you have a big attendance boost.
Getting a P5 at home every other year or once every 3 years isn't a reason to expand. Your stadium setups up nicely to bring in temporary bleachers for the occasional large crowd games.
That said, 15k stadium does have a bush-league feel. Maybe bumping to 25k would help with recruiting, which seems you guys struggle in that area. However, until you consistently are at 80% capacity for most of your games, seems odd to expand just to expand.
We already are at 80% + capacity most games. Also, tell me how many other cusa teams fill 80% of their seats most game and I mean with actual people in them.
Let’s keep it in perspective. If they had 15k capacity, most of them. Other than ODU, not sure if any other team needs to expand. The USM game looked to be about 50% capacity when I was there this season.
I get why your fans would want a stadium bigger than 15k. I hope you guys do expand and you have a big attendance boost.
You're missing the point(s). You brought up % of capacity. I corrected you on that, but the MAIN point is that if you should only have seats that you can fill 80% of the time, most everyone is this league (and the nation) needs to reduce their stadium size.
(This post was last modified: 02-12-2019 09:59 AM by PSCNiner.)
Getting a P5 at home every other year or once every 3 years isn't a reason to expand. Your stadium setups up nicely to bring in temporary bleachers for the occasional large crowd games.
That said, 15k stadium does have a bush-league feel. Maybe bumping to 25k would help with recruiting, which seems you guys struggle in that area. However, until you consistently are at 80% capacity for most of your games, seems odd to expand just to expand.
We already are at 80% + capacity most games. Also, tell me how many other cusa teams fill 80% of their seats most game and I mean with actual people in them.
Let’s keep it in perspective. If they had 15k capacity, most of them. Other than ODU, not sure if any other team needs to expand. The USM game looked to be about 50% capacity when I was there this season.
I get why your fans would want a stadium bigger than 15k. I hope you guys do expand and you have a big attendance boost.
You're missing the point(s). You brought up % of capacity. I corrected you on that, but the MAIN point is that if you should only have seats that you can fill 80% of the time, most everyone is this league (and the nation) needs to reduce their stadium size.
When I was referring to % capacity, it was as a gauge to determine if your stadium capacity is too small. Not for someone who expanded a stadium 10+ years back and now aren't filling to 80%.
If Charlotte feels they need to expand their stadium to accommodate a P5 every so often (and App St), then Charlotte should do it.
RE: Which teams should leave FBS? Here’s a serious answer
The renovations to the Sun Bowl this off-season will drop capacity to around 47k. Once we chair back the gold sections, sometime in the future, it will drop it to around 42k. Imo that’s the perfect size for us.
RE: Which teams should leave FBS? Here’s a serious answer
(02-12-2019 11:05 AM)va-eagle Wrote:
(02-12-2019 09:59 AM)PSCNiner Wrote:
(02-11-2019 10:33 PM)va-eagle Wrote:
(02-11-2019 08:37 PM)PSCNiner Wrote:
(02-11-2019 05:57 PM)va-eagle Wrote: Getting a P5 at home every other year or once every 3 years isn't a reason to expand. Your stadium setups up nicely to bring in temporary bleachers for the occasional large crowd games.
That said, 15k stadium does have a bush-league feel. Maybe bumping to 25k would help with recruiting, which seems you guys struggle in that area. However, until you consistently are at 80% capacity for most of your games, seems odd to expand just to expand.
We already are at 80% + capacity most games. Also, tell me how many other cusa teams fill 80% of their seats most game and I mean with actual people in them.
Let’s keep it in perspective. If they had 15k capacity, most of them. Other than ODU, not sure if any other team needs to expand. The USM game looked to be about 50% capacity when I was there this season.
I get why your fans would want a stadium bigger than 15k. I hope you guys do expand and you have a big attendance boost.
You're missing the point(s). You brought up % of capacity. I corrected you on that, but the MAIN point is that if you should only have seats that you can fill 80% of the time, most everyone is this league (and the nation) needs to reduce their stadium size.
When I was referring to % capacity, it was as a gauge to determine if your stadium capacity is too small. Not for someone who expanded a stadium 10+ years back and now aren't filling to 80%.
If Charlotte feels they need to expand their stadium to accommodate a P5 every so often (and App St), then Charlotte should do it.
Point is 90% of "them" didn't fill theirs "10+ years back" (or before they built/expanded) either, but it didn't stop them from building.
(This post was last modified: 02-12-2019 01:11 PM by PSCNiner.)
RE: Which teams should leave FBS? Here’s a serious answer
(02-12-2019 01:10 PM)PSCNiner Wrote:
(02-12-2019 11:05 AM)va-eagle Wrote:
(02-12-2019 09:59 AM)PSCNiner Wrote:
(02-11-2019 10:33 PM)va-eagle Wrote:
(02-11-2019 08:37 PM)PSCNiner Wrote: We already are at 80% + capacity most games. Also, tell me how many other cusa teams fill 80% of their seats most game and I mean with actual people in them.
Let’s keep it in perspective. If they had 15k capacity, most of them. Other than ODU, not sure if any other team needs to expand. The USM game looked to be about 50% capacity when I was there this season.
I get why your fans would want a stadium bigger than 15k. I hope you guys do expand and you have a big attendance boost.
You're missing the point(s). You brought up % of capacity. I corrected you on that, but the MAIN point is that if you should only have seats that you can fill 80% of the time, most everyone is this league (and the nation) needs to reduce their stadium size.
When I was referring to % capacity, it was as a gauge to determine if your stadium capacity is too small. Not for someone who expanded a stadium 10+ years back and now aren't filling to 80%.
If Charlotte feels they need to expand their stadium to accommodate a P5 every so often (and App St), then Charlotte should do it.
Point is 90% of "them" didn't fill theirs "10+ years back" (or before they built/expanded) either, but it didn't stop them from building.
Why are you arguing with yourself? He clearly said "then Charlotte should do it". What do you want people to say...hell yeah, lets do this ****!!!
BTW history is great for learning at others mistakes...attendance as in asses in seats is dropping. It clearly showed that in the 3 UNCC games I watched (parts of) ...half empty stadium. But hey go for that 30k or even 40k...those 8k to 12k will look even worse. But you will be able to talk to your friends about how that new 30 to 40k seats look...bigtime. Well until, game day.
(This post was last modified: 02-12-2019 01:45 PM by WKUYG.)
RE: Which teams should leave FBS? Here’s a serious answer
(02-12-2019 01:42 PM)WKUYG Wrote:
(02-12-2019 01:10 PM)PSCNiner Wrote:
(02-12-2019 11:05 AM)va-eagle Wrote:
(02-12-2019 09:59 AM)PSCNiner Wrote:
(02-11-2019 10:33 PM)va-eagle Wrote: Let’s keep it in perspective. If they had 15k capacity, most of them. Other than ODU, not sure if any other team needs to expand. The USM game looked to be about 50% capacity when I was there this season.
I get why your fans would want a stadium bigger than 15k. I hope you guys do expand and you have a big attendance boost.
You're missing the point(s). You brought up % of capacity. I corrected you on that, but the MAIN point is that if you should only have seats that you can fill 80% of the time, most everyone is this league (and the nation) needs to reduce their stadium size.
When I was referring to % capacity, it was as a gauge to determine if your stadium capacity is too small. Not for someone who expanded a stadium 10+ years back and now aren't filling to 80%.
If Charlotte feels they need to expand their stadium to accommodate a P5 every so often (and App St), then Charlotte should do it.
Point is 90% of "them" didn't fill theirs "10+ years back" (or before they built/expanded) either, but it didn't stop them from building.
Why are you arguing with yourself? He clearly said "then Charlotte should do it". What do you want people to say...hell yeah, lets do this ****!!!
BTW history is great for learning at others mistakes...attendance as in asses in seats is dropping. It clearly showed that in the 3 UNCC games I watched (parts of) ...half empty stadium. But hey go for that 30k or even 40k...those 8k to 12k will look even worse. But you will be able to talk to your friends about how that new 30 to 40k seats look...bigtime. Well until, game day.
clt says our games are so exciting, we only use the edge of the seat!
RE: Which teams should leave FBS? Here’s a serious answer
(02-12-2019 01:42 PM)WKUYG Wrote:
(02-12-2019 01:10 PM)PSCNiner Wrote:
(02-12-2019 11:05 AM)va-eagle Wrote:
(02-12-2019 09:59 AM)PSCNiner Wrote:
(02-11-2019 10:33 PM)va-eagle Wrote: Let’s keep it in perspective. If they had 15k capacity, most of them. Other than ODU, not sure if any other team needs to expand. The USM game looked to be about 50% capacity when I was there this season.
I get why your fans would want a stadium bigger than 15k. I hope you guys do expand and you have a big attendance boost.
You're missing the point(s). You brought up % of capacity. I corrected you on that, but the MAIN point is that if you should only have seats that you can fill 80% of the time, most everyone is this league (and the nation) needs to reduce their stadium size.
When I was referring to % capacity, it was as a gauge to determine if your stadium capacity is too small. Not for someone who expanded a stadium 10+ years back and now aren't filling to 80%.
If Charlotte feels they need to expand their stadium to accommodate a P5 every so often (and App St), then Charlotte should do it.
Point is 90% of "them" didn't fill theirs "10+ years back" (or before they built/expanded) either, but it didn't stop them from building.
Why are you arguing with yourself? He clearly said "then Charlotte should do it". What do you want people to say...hell yeah, lets do this ****!!!
BTW history is great for learning at others mistakes...attendance as in asses in seats is dropping. It clearly showed that in the 3 UNCC games I watched (parts of) ...half empty stadium. But hey go for that 30k or even 40k...those 8k to 12k will look even worse. But you will be able to talk to your friends about how that new 30 to 40k seats look...bigtime. Well until, game day.
BS. There were not 3 games with a "half empty" stadium. Attendance smack from a WKU fan. Maybe you should worry about your own attendance and how 6200 fans look in your 22,000 seat stadium......
(This post was last modified: 02-12-2019 03:24 PM by PSCNiner.)
RE: Which teams should leave FBS? Here’s a serious answer
(02-12-2019 03:20 PM)PSCNiner Wrote:
(02-12-2019 01:42 PM)WKUYG Wrote:
(02-12-2019 01:10 PM)PSCNiner Wrote:
(02-12-2019 11:05 AM)va-eagle Wrote:
(02-12-2019 09:59 AM)PSCNiner Wrote: You're missing the point(s). You brought up % of capacity. I corrected you on that, but the MAIN point is that if you should only have seats that you can fill 80% of the time, most everyone is this league (and the nation) needs to reduce their stadium size.
When I was referring to % capacity, it was as a gauge to determine if your stadium capacity is too small. Not for someone who expanded a stadium 10+ years back and now aren't filling to 80%.
If Charlotte feels they need to expand their stadium to accommodate a P5 every so often (and App St), then Charlotte should do it.
Point is 90% of "them" didn't fill theirs "10+ years back" (or before they built/expanded) either, but it didn't stop them from building.
Why are you arguing with yourself? He clearly said "then Charlotte should do it". What do you want people to say...hell yeah, lets do this ****!!!
BTW history is great for learning at others mistakes...attendance as in asses in seats is dropping. It clearly showed that in the 3 UNCC games I watched (parts of) ...half empty stadium. But hey go for that 30k or even 40k...those 8k to 12k will look even worse. But you will be able to talk to your friends about how that new 30 to 40k seats look...bigtime. Well until, game day.
BS. There were not 3 games with a "half empty" stadium. Attendance smack from a WKU fan. Maybe you should worry about your own attendance and how 6200 fans look in your 22,000 seat stadium......
I'm not talking smack on attendance...I'm telling you the truth. It's up to you if you stay in make believe land, or not. Because I dont believe any of the below 3 games touched 12k and 2 of them well, and I mean well, below half full
below is the 2nd game of last season....I was wrong, it looks like 2,000 fans, in a 28-25 game, if that.
UNCC vs Western Oct 13th stands look half-full
The producers really try hard NOT to show the UNCC stands...its really hard to catch a view over 6 to 8 rows high. But there's a few in the 2 videos.
The fordham game (1st game of the season) the producer shows the whole stands. There's a lot of empty spaces in that game.
EDIT FOR USM GAME
UNCC VS USM and again they barely get above 8 rows high...there's a very good reason for this. I will let you figure that out.
But if you go to the 2:20 mark of a game that went down to the wire...they scan the endzone and the visitors side....1/10 full
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I 100% agree that charlotte has issues with attendance. However, it’s disingenuous and hurts your argument to include ODU. The game was moved to a weekday during working hours with only a few days notice.
RE: Which teams should leave FBS? Here’s a serious answer
(02-12-2019 05:00 PM)EpicNiner Wrote: I 100% agree that charlotte has issues with attendance. However, it’s disingenuous and hurts your argument to include ODU. The game was moved to a weekday during working hours with only a few days notice.
I understand why the game was moved but the other UNCC fan said zero games. But even a game moved on short notice and in the middle of the week with 24,000 student and just a guess... at least 17,000 on the main campus...a couple thousand fans is low.
We all have our problem with attendance and the only reason I jumped back into this thread was the other UNCC fans getting his feelings hurt.
Do I think UNCC needs more than 15,000 seats? Yes, even with the low attendance. But like I said earlier in this thread...got to balance needs and wants because one will hurt season tickets sold. I personally think UNCC should have put in 20k from the jump and there's SRO for at least a couple thousand. But then again I think the low turnout for UNCC is a surprise for those in charge.
As much as Western's football stadium would look more big time with a full 2nd deck on the home side. It would have been a mistake if Western jumped that far ahead. So I'm not only saying UNCC might make too large of a leap....I've said it about my team also. So it's not personal, to me....more Logical
RE: Which teams should leave FBS? Here’s a serious answer
We're expanding the stadium so we don't have the smallest stadium if FBS. It hurts our recruiting efforts. There's no other reason needed to justify it. That reason alone is more than enough.
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