(02-07-2019 12:38 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 11:55 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  I truly believe Rowe is trying the best that he can, and that's the problem. He isn't good enough as a head coach to win.
Look at his previous stints as assistant head coach and tell me that he has the resume to be a head coach. He only had one decent season as an assistant under Jarvis at Bowling Green (and then Jarvis had to leave because he got drunk and was acting inappropriate to women). He was an assistant under Richard Pitino for a season at FIU. The only coach he was an assistant under for multiple seasons was Anthony Evans, who never had a winning season at FIU. That's one hell of a resume.
And people wonder why Rowe isn't producing. Look as his resume!
He got the JMU job not for the success that he had, but because he could recruit and he was an alum.
I can accept that he will be here for another year, but if you honestly believe next year will be any different you are insane.

Rowe was brought in by Michael Huger the current Bowling Green coach as Associate Coach (first assistant). Also he coached under Kevin Baggett at Rider the current Rider coach. Both teams have been ok under their current coaches. Rowe never coached under Richard Pitino at FIU. He also coached under Matg Brady at JMU.

I know this has been said before, but we need to work with the administration to get Lou a good assistant that can handle the X's and O's. Lou has some skills that are valuable: Good recruiter, respectable face of the program, good people skills, gets along with the alums, school loyalty, strong work ethic, players like him and work hard, former player which adds credibility and more. He has shown he is not much of a tactician in game and practice situations.

There are coaches out there that are tacticians but do not have the stated strengths of Lou. By the way, Campanelli was blessed with great assistants, including Mike Fratella in his DII early years, at JMU while he was able to focus on recruiting and building the program. In fact, players I knew who played for Campanelli told me that Thurston ran most of the practices and handled the X's and O's - especially the offense.

I say we give him next year and grab an X's and O's guy to help him. If that doesn't work - we move on.

you guys are going to be so jealous when im driving the bandwagon and leaving you all behind

(02-07-2019 02:38 PM)Dukes1987 Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 12:38 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 11:55 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  I truly believe Rowe is trying the best that he can, and that's the problem. He isn't good enough as a head coach to win.
Look at his previous stints as assistant head coach and tell me that he has the resume to be a head coach. He only had one decent season as an assistant under Jarvis at Bowling Green (and then Jarvis had to leave because he got drunk and was acting inappropriate to women). He was an assistant under Richard Pitino for a season at FIU. The only coach he was an assistant under for multiple seasons was Anthony Evans, who never had a winning season at FIU. That's one hell of a resume.
And people wonder why Rowe isn't producing. Look as his resume!
He got the JMU job not for the success that he had, but because he could recruit and he was an alum.
I can accept that he will be here for another year, but if you honestly believe next year will be any different you are insane.

Rowe was brought in by Michael Huger the current Bowling Green coach as Associate Coach (first assistant). Also he coached under Kevin Baggett at Rider the current Rider coach. Both teams have been ok under their current coaches. Rowe never coached under Richard Pitino at FIU. He also coached under Matg Brady at JMU.

I know this has been said before, but we need to work with the administration to get Lou a good assistant that can handle the X's and O's. Lou has some skills that are valuable: Good recruiter, respectable face of the program, good people skills, gets along with the alums, school loyalty, strong work ethic, players like him and work hard, former player which adds credibility and more. He has shown he is not much of a tactician in game and practice situations.

There are coaches out there that are tacticians but do not have the stated strengths of Lou. By the way, Campanelli was blessed with great assistants, including Mike Fratella in his DII early years, at JMU while he was able to focus on recruiting and building the program. In fact, players I knew who played for Campanelli told me that Thurston ran most of the practices and handled the X's and O's - especially the offense.

I say we give him next year and grab an X's and O's guy to help him. If that doesn't work - we move on.

At the very least, there absolutely needs to be a change with his assistants. He does need an X's and O's guy.

NJDuke, thanks for the correction. I also didn't include the Rider job so that is my mistake. I'm also at fault for trusting wikipedia so I'll do better next time (they had him listed at FIU in 2012 so that's why I thought he coached under Pitino- my mistake). I didn't include his time at JMU because I figured we all knew that part. My original statement stands though: Rowe's history has an assistant has not been very impressive.

(02-07-2019 03:04 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 02:38 PM)Dukes1987 Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 12:38 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 11:55 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  I truly believe Rowe is trying the best that he can, and that's the problem. He isn't good enough as a head coach to win.
Look at his previous stints as assistant head coach and tell me that he has the resume to be a head coach. He only had one decent season as an assistant under Jarvis at Bowling Green (and then Jarvis had to leave because he got drunk and was acting inappropriate to women). He was an assistant under Richard Pitino for a season at FIU. The only coach he was an assistant under for multiple seasons was Anthony Evans, who never had a winning season at FIU. That's one hell of a resume.
And people wonder why Rowe isn't producing. Look as his resume!
He got the JMU job not for the success that he had, but because he could recruit and he was an alum.
I can accept that he will be here for another year, but if you honestly believe next year will be any different you are insane.

Rowe was brought in by Michael Huger the current Bowling Green coach as Associate Coach (first assistant). Also he coached under Kevin Baggett at Rider the current Rider coach. Both teams have been ok under their current coaches. Rowe never coached under Richard Pitino at FIU. He also coached under Matg Brady at JMU.

I know this has been said before, but we need to work with the administration to get Lou a good assistant that can handle the X's and O's. Lou has some skills that are valuable: Good recruiter, respectable face of the program, good people skills, gets along with the alums, school loyalty, strong work ethic, players like him and work hard, former player which adds credibility and more. He has shown he is not much of a tactician in game and practice situations.

There are coaches out there that are tacticians but do not have the stated strengths of Lou. By the way, Campanelli was blessed with great assistants, including Mike Fratella in his DII early years, at JMU while he was able to focus on recruiting and building the program. In fact, players I knew who played for Campanelli told me that Thurston ran most of the practices and handled the X's and O's - especially the offense.

I say we give him next year and grab an X's and O's guy to help him. If that doesn't work - we move on.

At the very least, there absolutely needs to be a change with his assistants. He does need an X's and O's guy.

NJDuke, thanks for the correction. I also didn't include the Rider job so that is my mistake. I'm also at fault for trusting wikipedia so I'll do better next time (they had him listed at FIU in 2012 so that's why I thought he coached under Pitino- my mistake). I didn't include his time at JMU because I figured we all knew that part. My original statement stands though: Rowe's history has an assistant has not been very impressive.

Anyone who's ever played team basketball can see that he can't coach. My little league coach had his **** together more that Rowe does.

On the assistant coach front, I think he feels threatened by others knowing more than him. He had issues with Mike Deane, and he hired a bunch of guys that are just as inexperienced as he is. That's not what a true leader does. I'd be okay with giving him another year if he brings in an experienced assistant. Otherwise we'll still be talking about "talent" next year and watching more one-on-one street ball.

(02-07-2019 04:54 PM)JacksonHall Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 03:04 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 02:38 PM)Dukes1987 Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 12:38 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 11:55 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  I truly believe Rowe is trying the best that he can, and that's the problem. He isn't good enough as a head coach to win.
Look at his previous stints as assistant head coach and tell me that he has the resume to be a head coach. He only had one decent season as an assistant under Jarvis at Bowling Green (and then Jarvis had to leave because he got drunk and was acting inappropriate to women). He was an assistant under Richard Pitino for a season at FIU. The only coach he was an assistant under for multiple seasons was Anthony Evans, who never had a winning season at FIU. That's one hell of a resume.
And people wonder why Rowe isn't producing. Look as his resume!
He got the JMU job not for the success that he had, but because he could recruit and he was an alum.
I can accept that he will be here for another year, but if you honestly believe next year will be any different you are insane.

Rowe was brought in by Michael Huger the current Bowling Green coach as Associate Coach (first assistant). Also he coached under Kevin Baggett at Rider the current Rider coach. Both teams have been ok under their current coaches. Rowe never coached under Richard Pitino at FIU. He also coached under Matg Brady at JMU.

I know this has been said before, but we need to work with the administration to get Lou a good assistant that can handle the X's and O's. Lou has some skills that are valuable: Good recruiter, respectable face of the program, good people skills, gets along with the alums, school loyalty, strong work ethic, players like him and work hard, former player which adds credibility and more. He has shown he is not much of a tactician in game and practice situations.

There are coaches out there that are tacticians but do not have the stated strengths of Lou. By the way, Campanelli was blessed with great assistants, including Mike Fratella in his DII early years, at JMU while he was able to focus on recruiting and building the program. In fact, players I knew who played for Campanelli told me that Thurston ran most of the practices and handled the X's and O's - especially the offense.

I say we give him next year and grab an X's and O's guy to help him. If that doesn't work - we move on.

At the very least, there absolutely needs to be a change with his assistants. He does need an X's and O's guy.

NJDuke, thanks for the correction. I also didn't include the Rider job so that is my mistake. I'm also at fault for trusting wikipedia so I'll do better next time (they had him listed at FIU in 2012 so that's why I thought he coached under Pitino- my mistake). I didn't include his time at JMU because I figured we all knew that part. My original statement stands though: Rowe's history has an assistant has not been very impressive.

Anyone who's ever played team basketball can see that he can't coach. My little league coach had his **** together more that Rowe does.

On the assistant coach front, I think he feels threatened by others knowing more than him. He had issues with Mike Deane, and he hired a bunch of guys that are just as inexperienced as he is. That's not what a true leader does. I'd be okay with giving him another year if he brings in an experienced assistant. Otherwise we'll still be talking about "talent" next year and watching more one-on-one street ball.

I think you are reading into things. I’m not going to fault a new coach who is trying to build a program and a culture from wanting to assemble his own staff. Wins and losses may force his hand to make changes to the staff and adjustments but Rowe has conviction and a vision and I respect that about him. You guys may know differently than I do but he has been very patient and I’m thinking that’s because he may be getting feedback that the admin (while I’m sure they aren’t thrilled) is willing to be a little patient as well.

(02-07-2019 02:41 PM)Centdukesfan Wrote:  you guys are going to be so jealous when im driving the bandwagon and leaving you all behind

I'm with you!

I've been participating in the hypothetical new coach discussion, but I want to point out I won't say "Rowe should be fired" until 2020 CAA Tournament at earliest. In my opinion, he deserves to get through most of season 4 before decisions are made. There's been plenty of evidence pointing to other great coaches who struggled in their early years at a school. Not one person has effectively countered that strong argument. Maybe Rowe's not the guy, but we know he's gonna coach MBB at JMU through March 2020, so why not hold onto hope!

(02-07-2019 04:54 PM)JacksonHall Wrote:  Anyone who's ever played team basketball can see that he can't coach. My little league coach had his **** together more that Rowe does.

On the assistant coach front, I think he feels threatened by others knowing more than him. He had issues with Mike Deane, and he hired a bunch of guys that are just as inexperienced as he is. That's not what a true leader does. I'd be okay with giving him another year if he brings in an experienced assistant. Otherwise we'll still be talking about "talent" next year and watching more one-on-one street ball.

I only disagree with the bold. I've seen lots of young coaches in various sports hire other like-minded (but young/inexperienced) coaches with great success. I don't think his issues with Deane are a smoking gun at all. (was Deane forced onto Rowe as an asst? sure seemed like it..) For all Mike Deane's knowledge, how did that help Brady's JMU teams in the win column? I never really heard what the environment was between those two, but I assumed their issues were more about a lack of respect for Rowe's position from Deane in some moments. That's my speculation based on what I saw and heard. Not facts, speculation.

I agree with the offensive philosophy being extremely lacking. There's got to be more structured attack. Defense is finally getting to the point where the players' effort is frequently outstanding. Necessary changes are more about smart positioning than effort (yes, coaching).

What legit asst coach is going to risk his career to go to a situation where the head coach is potentially on his last leg for 1 season while getting paid likely less or at best same as where they are?

Rowe should just start reading this board. I’ll go over and solve his problems for a case of Devil’s Backbone Vienna Lager. Sheesh. It’s all ball bearings these days, guys!

:-)

(02-07-2019 05:59 PM)Wear Purple Wrote:  What legit asst coach is going to risk his career to go to a situation where the head coach is potentially on his last leg for 1 season while getting paid likely less or at best same as where they are?

Rowe should just start reading this board. I’ll go over and solve his problems for a case of Devil’s Backbone Vienna Lager. Sheesh. It’s all ball bearings these days, guys!

:-)

The sarcasm in your posts make them difficult to comprehend.

(02-07-2019 05:47 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 04:54 PM)JacksonHall Wrote:  Anyone who's ever played team basketball can see that he can't coach. My little league coach had his **** together more that Rowe does.

On the assistant coach front, I think he feels threatened by others knowing more than him. He had issues with Mike Deane, and he hired a bunch of guys that are just as inexperienced as he is. That's not what a true leader does. I'd be okay with giving him another year if he brings in an experienced assistant. Otherwise we'll still be talking about "talent" next year and watching more one-on-one street ball.

I only disagree with the bold. I've seen lots of young coaches in various sports hire other like-minded (but young/inexperienced) coaches with great success. I don't think his issues with Deane are a smoking gun at all. (was Deane forced onto Rowe as an asst? sure seemed like it..) For all Mike Deane's knowledge, how did that help Brady's JMU teams in the win column? I never really heard what the environment was between those two, but I assumed their issues were more about a lack of respect for Rowe's position from Deane in some moments. That's my speculation based on what I saw and heard. Not facts, speculation.

I agree with the offensive philosophy being extremely lacking. There's got to be more structured attack. Defense is finally getting to the point where the players' effort is frequently outstanding. Necessary changes are more about smart positioning than effort (yes, coaching).

Deane was Brady's ex coach- a solid basketball guy at the end of his career (who is often overrated IMO on these boards) so it was a perfect fit. Not sure who would fit into that category with Rowe- Lefty is too old. Lon Kruger is unavailable. Maybe Chuck Driessel but would he take the job over his Marets of DC gig? Bart Bellairs?

Wainright, the ex ODU coach, the guy who is on the bench for Coen at Northeastern, Gene Keady at the end as an assistant for Lavin at St Johns- there is certainly precedent for this.

(02-07-2019 04:54 PM)JacksonHall Wrote:  Anyone who's ever played team basketball can see that he can't coach. My little league coach had his **** together more that Rowe does.

Bruh you still play little league?

(02-07-2019 06:50 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 05:47 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 04:54 PM)JacksonHall Wrote:  Anyone who's ever played team basketball can see that he can't coach. My little league coach had his **** together more that Rowe does.

On the assistant coach front, I think he feels threatened by others knowing more than him. He had issues with Mike Deane, and he hired a bunch of guys that are just as inexperienced as he is. That's not what a true leader does. I'd be okay with giving him another year if he brings in an experienced assistant. Otherwise we'll still be talking about "talent" next year and watching more one-on-one street ball.

I only disagree with the bold. I've seen lots of young coaches in various sports hire other like-minded (but young/inexperienced) coaches with great success. I don't think his issues with Deane are a smoking gun at all. (was Deane forced onto Rowe as an asst? sure seemed like it..) For all Mike Deane's knowledge, how did that help Brady's JMU teams in the win column? I never really heard what the environment was between those two, but I assumed their issues were more about a lack of respect for Rowe's position from Deane in some moments. That's my speculation based on what I saw and heard. Not facts, speculation.

I agree with the offensive philosophy being extremely lacking. There's got to be more structured attack. Defense is finally getting to the point where the players' effort is frequently outstanding. Necessary changes are more about smart positioning than effort (yes, coaching).

Deane was Brady's ex coach- a solid basketball guy at the end of his career (who is often overrated IMO on these boards) so it was a perfect fit. Not sure who would fit into that category with Rowe- Lefty is too old. Lon Kruger is unavailable. Maybe Chuck Driessel but would he take the job over his Marets of DC gig? Bart Bellairs?

Wainright, the ex ODU coach, the guy who is on the bench for Coen at Northeastern, Gene Keady at the end as an assistant for Lavin at St Johns- there is certainly precedent for this.

I am with you, I think Mike Deane gets waaaaayyyyy too much credit on this board. Much like Lou, he was very personable, could tell good stories, was fun to talk with, wore some sharp suits.........but what actually did he bring to the table. He sat far down the bench and rarely talked with Brady during the game/timeouts.

IMO, it also never works well if a HC has his staff dictated to him. It is another thing if the HC wants too make a change to his staff, but he cannot have his staff dictated to him. I don't see those situations ending well and creating a good working environment.

(02-08-2019 09:30 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 06:50 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 05:47 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 04:54 PM)JacksonHall Wrote:  Anyone who's ever played team basketball can see that he can't coach. My little league coach had his **** together more that Rowe does.

On the assistant coach front, I think he feels threatened by others knowing more than him. He had issues with Mike Deane, and he hired a bunch of guys that are just as inexperienced as he is. That's not what a true leader does. I'd be okay with giving him another year if he brings in an experienced assistant. Otherwise we'll still be talking about "talent" next year and watching more one-on-one street ball.

I only disagree with the bold. I've seen lots of young coaches in various sports hire other like-minded (but young/inexperienced) coaches with great success. I don't think his issues with Deane are a smoking gun at all. (was Deane forced onto Rowe as an asst? sure seemed like it..) For all Mike Deane's knowledge, how did that help Brady's JMU teams in the win column? I never really heard what the environment was between those two, but I assumed their issues were more about a lack of respect for Rowe's position from Deane in some moments. That's my speculation based on what I saw and heard. Not facts, speculation.

I agree with the offensive philosophy being extremely lacking. There's got to be more structured attack. Defense is finally getting to the point where the players' effort is frequently outstanding. Necessary changes are more about smart positioning than effort (yes, coaching).

Deane was Brady's ex coach- a solid basketball guy at the end of his career (who is often overrated IMO on these boards) so it was a perfect fit. Not sure who would fit into that category with Rowe- Lefty is too old. Lon Kruger is unavailable. Maybe Chuck Driessel but would he take the job over his Marets of DC gig? Bart Bellairs?

Wainright, the ex ODU coach, the guy who is on the bench for Coen at Northeastern, Gene Keady at the end as an assistant for Lavin at St Johns- there is certainly precedent for this.

I am with you, I think Mike Deane gets waaaaayyyyy too much credit on this board. Much like Lou, he was very personable, could tell good stories, was fun to talk with, wore some sharp suits.........but what actually did he bring to the table. He sat far down the bench and rarely talked with Brady during the game/timeouts.

IMO, it also never works well if a HC has his staff dictated to him. It is another thing if the HC wants too make a change to his staff, but he cannot have his staff dictated to him. I don't see those situations ending well and creating a good working environment.

It happens in football all the time at both college and pro level.

(02-08-2019 08:20 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 04:54 PM)JacksonHall Wrote:  Anyone who's ever played team basketball can see that he can't coach. My little league coach had his **** together more that Rowe does.

Bruh you still play little league?

Another thing I learned when I was little league age was the difference between present and past tense....as in "has" versus "had."

(02-08-2019 09:34 AM)JacksonHall Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 09:30 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 06:50 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 05:47 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 04:54 PM)JacksonHall Wrote:  Anyone who's ever played team basketball can see that he can't coach. My little league coach had his **** together more that Rowe does.

On the assistant coach front, I think he feels threatened by others knowing more than him. He had issues with Mike Deane, and he hired a bunch of guys that are just as inexperienced as he is. That's not what a true leader does. I'd be okay with giving him another year if he brings in an experienced assistant. Otherwise we'll still be talking about "talent" next year and watching more one-on-one street ball.

I only disagree with the bold. I've seen lots of young coaches in various sports hire other like-minded (but young/inexperienced) coaches with great success. I don't think his issues with Deane are a smoking gun at all. (was Deane forced onto Rowe as an asst? sure seemed like it..) For all Mike Deane's knowledge, how did that help Brady's JMU teams in the win column? I never really heard what the environment was between those two, but I assumed their issues were more about a lack of respect for Rowe's position from Deane in some moments. That's my speculation based on what I saw and heard. Not facts, speculation.

I agree with the offensive philosophy being extremely lacking. There's got to be more structured attack. Defense is finally getting to the point where the players' effort is frequently outstanding. Necessary changes are more about smart positioning than effort (yes, coaching).

Deane was Brady's ex coach- a solid basketball guy at the end of his career (who is often overrated IMO on these boards) so it was a perfect fit. Not sure who would fit into that category with Rowe- Lefty is too old. Lon Kruger is unavailable. Maybe Chuck Driessel but would he take the job over his Marets of DC gig? Bart Bellairs?

Wainright, the ex ODU coach, the guy who is on the bench for Coen at Northeastern, Gene Keady at the end as an assistant for Lavin at St Johns- there is certainly precedent for this.

I am with you, I think Mike Deane gets waaaaayyyyy too much credit on this board. Much like Lou, he was very personable, could tell good stories, was fun to talk with, wore some sharp suits.........but what actually did he bring to the table. He sat far down the bench and rarely talked with Brady during the game/timeouts.

IMO, it also never works well if a HC has his staff dictated to him. It is another thing if the HC wants too make a change to his staff, but he cannot have his staff dictated to him. I don't see those situations ending well and creating a good working environment.

It happens in football all the time at both college and pro level.

It is a different thing to say a coach who is saving his own butt, replaces an OC or DC who can have very tangible impacts on a football team. Versus Admin/Mgmt forcing some other coach on the HC (which does NOT happen all the time) and what folks on this board seem to be clamoring for.

(02-08-2019 09:56 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 09:34 AM)JacksonHall Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 09:30 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 06:50 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 05:47 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  I only disagree with the bold. I've seen lots of young coaches in various sports hire other like-minded (but young/inexperienced) coaches with great success. I don't think his issues with Deane are a smoking gun at all. (was Deane forced onto Rowe as an asst? sure seemed like it..) For all Mike Deane's knowledge, how did that help Brady's JMU teams in the win column? I never really heard what the environment was between those two, but I assumed their issues were more about a lack of respect for Rowe's position from Deane in some moments. That's my speculation based on what I saw and heard. Not facts, speculation.

I agree with the offensive philosophy being extremely lacking. There's got to be more structured attack. Defense is finally getting to the point where the players' effort is frequently outstanding. Necessary changes are more about smart positioning than effort (yes, coaching).

Deane was Brady's ex coach- a solid basketball guy at the end of his career (who is often overrated IMO on these boards) so it was a perfect fit. Not sure who would fit into that category with Rowe- Lefty is too old. Lon Kruger is unavailable. Maybe Chuck Driessel but would he take the job over his Marets of DC gig? Bart Bellairs?

Wainright, the ex ODU coach, the guy who is on the bench for Coen at Northeastern, Gene Keady at the end as an assistant for Lavin at St Johns- there is certainly precedent for this.

I am with you, I think Mike Deane gets waaaaayyyyy too much credit on this board. Much like Lou, he was very personable, could tell good stories, was fun to talk with, wore some sharp suits.........but what actually did he bring to the table. He sat far down the bench and rarely talked with Brady during the game/timeouts.

IMO, it also never works well if a HC has his staff dictated to him. It is another thing if the HC wants too make a change to his staff, but he cannot have his staff dictated to him. I don't see those situations ending well and creating a good working environment.

It happens in football all the time at both college and pro level.

It is a different thing to say a coach who is saving his own butt, replaces an OC or DC who can have very tangible impacts on a football team. Versus Admin/Mgmt forcing some other coach on the HC (which does NOT happen all the time) and what folks on this board seem to be clamoring for.

Not sure about the others who mentioned this, but I was talking about the "saving his own butt" scenario. The administration or in case of NFL, the owner, says "things are not working out and you need help with your Xs and Os on defense, offense" or whatever. Rowe knows his leash is getting much, much shorter. It would be smart to evaluate what benefits his current assistants bring to the table. He should do the hiring of the new assistant knowing it would help buy him some time.

(02-07-2019 11:32 AM)JacksonHall Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 06:54 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  I’m in the give Rowe another year camp.

I’ve been as spitting disgusted as anyone in the JMU orbit over what has been allowed to happen to our once beloved MBB team.

But, as an eternal optimist, I do like some of the pieces parts we have on the court now. Are they a perfect fit? Well, no. Are they an awful fit? Errr, no again.

I say let’s give this group of Sophs and Froshs another off season, bring in what looks to be a promising class and see if we can somehow, some way actually build a PROGRAM.

Not a one-off “team”, but something that can actually produce wins and winning seasons on a consistent basis.

This changing of the guard every few years clearly isn’t working, maybe try something new? If it doesn’t work out, yet again? Then yea. Back to square one circa 1994...


LEAVE LOU ALONE!!!

I wouldn't call Brady's 8 seasons a "changing of the guard every few years." Keener was shortest with 4 years and Dillard had 7.

Yea, but we all know how stilted, start and stop, stalled, then reluctant go that whole ordeal was.

Got off to a bad start and seemed like Mrs Brady likely never unpacked the moving boxes.

Without the chance alignment of the stars in ‘13 he was gone, and it was a close call even then.

Now, here we are yet again, likely playing in the “bonus basketball” game on Friday and hoping to stay at least one night. Then we can start all over again I guess.

Don’t even know why I care any longer. Not sure I really do...

I have an idea- how about we hire an "assistant" with X's and O's skills for Rowe and let that guy run the practices; instruct and improve the players; develop the plays and schemes; and lead the game plan and adjustments?

This will be exactly like corporate America, we'll have a manager that's reached his level of incompetence reaping the benefits of an underemployed subordinate with far more talent.

(02-08-2019 10:07 AM)JacksonHall Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 09:56 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 09:34 AM)JacksonHall Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 09:30 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 06:50 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  Deane was Brady's ex coach- a solid basketball guy at the end of his career (who is often overrated IMO on these boards) so it was a perfect fit. Not sure who would fit into that category with Rowe- Lefty is too old. Lon Kruger is unavailable. Maybe Chuck Driessel but would he take the job over his Marets of DC gig? Bart Bellairs?

Wainright, the ex ODU coach, the guy who is on the bench for Coen at Northeastern, Gene Keady at the end as an assistant for Lavin at St Johns- there is certainly precedent for this.

I am with you, I think Mike Deane gets waaaaayyyyy too much credit on this board. Much like Lou, he was very personable, could tell good stories, was fun to talk with, wore some sharp suits.........but what actually did he bring to the table. He sat far down the bench and rarely talked with Brady during the game/timeouts.

IMO, it also never works well if a HC has his staff dictated to him. It is another thing if the HC wants too make a change to his staff, but he cannot have his staff dictated to him. I don't see those situations ending well and creating a good working environment.

It happens in football all the time at both college and pro level.

It is a different thing to say a coach who is saving his own butt, replaces an OC or DC who can have very tangible impacts on a football team. Versus Admin/Mgmt forcing some other coach on the HC (which does NOT happen all the time) and what folks on this board seem to be clamoring for.

Not sure about the others who mentioned this, but I was talking about the "saving his own butt" scenario. The administration or in case of NFL, the owner, says "things are not working out and you need help with your Xs and Os on defense, offense" or whatever. Rowe knows his leash is getting much, much shorter. It would be smart to evaluate what benefits his current assistants bring to the table. He should do the hiring of the new assistant knowing it would help buy him some time.

I like Rowe’s assistants. I think they all bring something to the table. It’s a young group of coaches but they have potential and they have energy. The past group didn’t.

(02-08-2019 10:10 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 11:32 AM)JacksonHall Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 06:54 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  I’m in the give Rowe another year camp.

I’ve been as spitting disgusted as anyone in the JMU orbit over what has been allowed to happen to our once beloved MBB team.

But, as an eternal optimist, I do like some of the pieces parts we have on the court now. Are they a perfect fit? Well, no. Are they an awful fit? Errr, no again.

I say let’s give this group of Sophs and Froshs another off season, bring in what looks to be a promising class and see if we can somehow, some way actually build a PROGRAM.

Not a one-off “team”, but something that can actually produce wins and winning seasons on a consistent basis.

This changing of the guard every few years clearly isn’t working, maybe try something new? If it doesn’t work out, yet again? Then yea. Back to square one circa 1994...


LEAVE LOU ALONE!!!

I wouldn't call Brady's 8 seasons a "changing of the guard every few years." Keener was shortest with 4 years and Dillard had 7.

Yea, but we all know how stilted, start and stop, stalled, then reluctant go that whole ordeal was.

Got off to a bad start and seemed like Mrs Brady likely never unpacked the moving boxes.

Without the chance alignment of the stars in ‘13 he was gone, and it was a close call even then.

Now, here we are yet again, likely playing in the “bonus basketball” game on Friday and hoping to stay at least one night. Then we can start all over again I guess.

Don’t even know why I care any longer. Not sure I really do...

Or we could get to the 4-5 game and get punched in the mouth on the first game of the day that Saturday. That sucked too.