I've posted this before:

https://watchstadium.com/news/caa-basket...1-22-2018/

We are way overachieving per this analysis. Moving to the Patriot League would not be inappropriate based on this analysis.

None of us wants to do that. And we're hoping the administration is opening up the spigots. But realize that the situation is (I believe) actually a little bit better than it has been during most of Shaver's tenure.

If you want to fire someone because of a 20-year (actually 34 years by my book) stretch of futility you would fire Reverly and Driscoll who are no longer here.

I went with a fellow alum to the Charleston game last night. On the way we were discussing the dilemma of being a school President at a university like Alabama or Ohio State, where sports drive everything. How sad! W&M is not a sports-first institution. It's makes it more difficult. Our opponents don't understand that. But we fans should.

And for those of us still bleeding from the loss to Delaware in the title game a few years back (missed one-and-one, missed pull-up jumper) , don't forget the key player(s) who returned from suspension for Delaware for the CAAT.

Would not have happened at W&M.

(01-27-2019 08:27 PM)Tribester Wrote:  As far as resources go, last time I checked, our endowment was around 900 Million Dollars! Yet we all act like we are the Little Sisters of the Poor. Money should be available...IF it was actually made a priority of this administration to fix the funding disparity issue. If Rowe is unwilling to fund basketball at the CAA average AT MINIMUM, then we should move to the Patriot League as soon as possible.

I think you’ve jumped the shark.

Have you ever sat down, and thought about this comprehensively, or is everything knee-jerk?

First, Rowe should put Tony on the hot seat.

Now, Rowe should fund hoops at the CAA average. Which average? The hoops-only schools’ average, or the hoops/pigskin schools’ average?

Can’t wait to hear what next you’ll have Rowe doing.

(01-27-2019 08:27 PM)Tribester Wrote:  As far as resources go, last time I checked, our endowment was around 900 Million Dollars! Yet we all act like we are the Little Sisters of the Poor. Money should be available...IF it was actually made a priority of this administration to fix the funding disparity issue. If Rowe is unwilling to fund basketball at the CAA average AT MINIMUM, then we should move to the Patriot League as soon as possible.

Yes, definitely our President of less than one year should have already changed the budget unilaterally to allocate more resources to basketball for the last five to ten years.

(01-28-2019 12:00 AM)nj alum Wrote:  

(01-27-2019 08:27 PM)Tribester Wrote:  As far as resources go, last time I checked, our endowment was around 900 Million Dollars! Yet we all act like we are the Little Sisters of the Poor. Money should be available...IF it was actually made a priority of this administration to fix the funding disparity issue. If Rowe is unwilling to fund basketball at the CAA average AT MINIMUM, then we should move to the Patriot League as soon as possible.

I think you’ve jumped the shark.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/WvGopsM1G9g[/youtube]

(01-27-2019 03:57 PM)mrjoolius Wrote:  And it should be added, often when discussing upcoming games, opponent fans talk about being worried about Shaver's coaching- even when they are favored. I get the feeling opponents respect Shaver more than we do.

Many of us respect him a lot. Some of us just think that the mere signing of a player means we should win all of our games. We ignore that other teams have the returning POY in the conference, or a player that nearly carried a team to the CAA title. I still think there is a chance that this team, this year still goes on a run if we can prevent the negative forces from overcoming the team.

I won't go back to the magical runs in 2008, or the 2010 team that might have gotten at large bid, let's look only at the 5 years since 2014

2014- Lost in the finals(Delaware)
2015-Lost in the finals(Northeastern) That loss followed an exhausting double OT win in the semis. Neither of the above two teams has won any other championships before or since in the CAA.
2016-Lost in the semis to Hofstra. Hofstra lost in OT to UNCW in the finals. Hofstra has zero CAA titles.
2017- Lost in the semis to UNCW. That UNCW team probably represents the best CAA team in the last 5 years. The Tribe beat UNCW during the regular season, one of the few losses that team had and its first, I believe in conference that season. Yet, the constant posting here is that Tribe team underachieved.
2018- Lost in the semis to Charleston(again the eventual champion and host school). The Tribe ended Charleston's 10 game winning streak the week before and was the only team to actually beat the Cougars over the last 6 weeks.

Add JMU in the shortened 2013, and you have 5 different winners in the last 6 tourneys. Only UNCW has been more successful that the Tribe(although Hofstra, Northeastern, and now Charleston are close in terms of overall finish and tournament victories over that span). Hofstra has been great so far, but what if they lose in the tourney? Would they fire Joe? They have no tournament titles ever in the CAA. But, they are in the top 4-5 every year.

You want to try and use this as a means to upgrade resources, I am fine with that. But, this team has had 5 freshman and 2 guys who barely played last year. Rowley has played very little and has been ineffective. Both Pierce and Milon have had bouts of injuries and also have struggled through some portions. I thought the guys played very hard Saturday. We just did not make shots and the foul disparity was brutal. Not only do they have talent, but Charleston might get a lot of calls in the tournament. They certainly did last year in the final against Northeastern.

Finally, Nathan is having a very good season. We lament here that he should get the ball every possession as if he would score 50+. But, teams are already trying to double team him in spots. There are other times that he has an opening and passes instead to a wide open teammate who misses the shot. But, it is still a good play. His passing has greatly improved and he played very hard Saturday. I just hope the guys can rally together with the coaches and get a win Thursday. It is not like they aren't trying or giving up.

(01-28-2019 10:30 AM)TribePride91 Wrote:  

(01-27-2019 03:57 PM)mrjoolius Wrote:  And it should be added, often when discussing upcoming games, opponent fans talk about being worried about Shaver's coaching- even when they are favored. I get the feeling opponents respect Shaver more than we do.

Many of us respect him a lot. Some of us just think that the mere signing of a player means we should win all of our games. We ignore that other teams have the returning POY in the conference, or a player that nearly carried a team to the CAA title. I still think there is a chance that this team, this year still goes on a run if we can prevent the negative forces from overcoming the team.

I won't go back to the magical runs in 2008, or the 2010 team that might have gotten at large bid, let's look only at the 5 years since 2014

2014- Lost in the finals(Delaware)
2015-Lost in the finals(Northeastern) That loss followed an exhausting double OT win in the semis. Neither of the above two teams has won any other championships before or since in the CAA.
2016-Lost in the semis to Hofstra. Hofstra lost in OT to UNCW in the finals. Hofstra has zero CAA titles.
2017- Lost in the semis to UNCW. That UNCW team probably represents the best CAA team in the last 5 years. The Tribe beat UNCW during the regular season, one of the few losses that team had and its first, I believe in conference that season. Yet, the constant posting here is that Tribe team underachieved.
2018- Lost in the semis to Charleston(again the eventual champion and host school). The Tribe ended Charleston's 10 game winning streak the week before and was the only team to actually beat the Cougars over the last 6 weeks.

Add JMU in the shortened 2013, and you have 5 different winners in the last 6 tourneys. Only UNCW has been more successful that the Tribe(although Hofstra, Northeastern, and now Charleston are close in terms of overall finish and tournament victories over that span). Hofstra has been great so far, but what if they lose in the tourney? Would they fire Joe? They have no tournament titles ever in the CAA. But, they are in the top 4-5 every year.

You want to try and use this as a means to upgrade resources, I am fine with that. But, this team has had 5 freshman and 2 guys who barely played last year. Rowley has played very little and has been ineffective. Both Pierce and Milon have had bouts of injuries and also have struggled through some portions. I thought the guys played very hard Saturday. We just did not make shots and the foul disparity was brutal. Not only do they have talent, but Charleston might get a lot of calls in the tournament. They certainly did last year in the final against Northeastern.

Finally, Nathan is having a very good season. We lament here that he should get the ball every possession as if he would score 50+. But, teams are already trying to double team him in spots. There are other times that he has an opening and passes instead to a wide open teammate who misses the shot. But, it is still a good play. His passing has greatly improved and he played very hard Saturday. I just hope the guys can rally together with the coaches and get a win Thursday. It is not like they aren't trying or giving up.

Re: Rowley, was inevitable. Law school v. Undergrad Hoops - something had to give.

Rowley has never been very healthy the entire time he's been in Williamsburg starting with his freshman year.

Shaver didn't get fired for the three seasons in the desert after 2009-10. He's in no trouble now, and that's fine. There's talent on the team, it's just young and not clicking very well. Last year's team rode 7 guys because it gave them the best chance to win. The bill came due for that this season. This isn't like the 2016-17 team that had older talent but no idea what it was doing play-to-play. He should however be told to hire an assistant coach who lives and breathes defense. If it means the hoops team has to sell cookies door-to-door to pay for the coach, so be it.

(01-28-2019 01:34 PM)Rocco Wrote:  He should however be told to hire an assistant coach who lives and breathes defense. If it means the hoops team has to sell cookies door-to-door to pay for the coach, so be it.

I am soooooo on board with this.

I think this season can be summed up as injuries, inexperience and inconsistencies, therefore we cannot win close games.

(01-28-2019 03:37 PM)Mrs. Got Ribe Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 01:34 PM)Rocco Wrote:  He should however be told to hire an assistant coach who lives and breathes defense. If it means the hoops team has to sell cookies door-to-door to pay for the coach, so be it.

I am soooooo on board with this.

...and consider hiring a person that also knows the 2-3 zone, as well, to go along with with better 3-2 and man-to-man technique.

Those of you "in the know", how is Tony as an advocate for the program? Particularly when it comes to securing funding? I don't think its fair that he has to coach and fund raise at the same time but I do think that is increasingly becoming a reality in college athletics.

(01-28-2019 01:34 PM)Rocco Wrote:  Shaver didn't get fired for the three seasons in the desert after 2009-10. He's in no trouble now, and that's fine. There's talent on the team, it's just young and not clicking very well. Last year's team rode 7 guys because it gave them the best chance to win. The bill came due for that this season. This isn't like the 2016-17 team that had older talent but no idea what it was doing play-to-play. He should however be told to hire an assistant coach who lives and breathes defense. If it means the hoops team has to sell cookies door-to-door to pay for the coach, so be it.

No argument from me on that. I think we have several guys who can play defense on this year's team. Some work on different defenses would be fantastic. I do wonder what defense we can employ that would stop Grant Riller.

I still think this season can be salvaged, even with the record as it currently is. I don't think we would beat Charleston in the tourney and I don't have great excitement about any matchup with Northeastern, but I think they would have a reasonable shot against anyone else. But, finishing no worse than 6th in the regular season is a must. Not sure that is going to work out at the moment. First, they have to win a game.

I think once we get to the tournament, we’ll see Audige on Riller, JWF, Pusica ... when we play man.

We’ll be counting Audige’s fouls as closely as Knight’s.

(01-28-2019 10:30 AM)TribePride91 Wrote:  

(01-27-2019 03:57 PM)mrjoolius Wrote:  And it should be added, often when discussing upcoming games, opponent fans talk about being worried about Shaver's coaching- even when they are favored. I get the feeling opponents respect Shaver more than we do.

Many of us respect him a lot. Some of us just think that the mere signing of a player means we should win all of our games. We ignore that other teams have the returning POY in the conference, or a player that nearly carried a team to the CAA title. I still think there is a chance that this team, this year still goes on a run if we can prevent the negative forces from overcoming the team.

I won't go back to the magical runs in 2008, or the 2010 team that might have gotten at large bid, let's look only at the 5 years since 2014

2014- Lost in the finals(Delaware)
2015-Lost in the finals(Northeastern) That loss followed an exhausting double OT win in the semis. Neither of the above two teams has won any other championships before or since in the CAA.
2016-Lost in the semis to Hofstra. Hofstra lost in OT to UNCW in the finals. Hofstra has zero CAA titles.
2017- Lost in the semis to UNCW. That UNCW team probably represents the best CAA team in the last 5 years. The Tribe beat UNCW during the regular season, one of the few losses that team had and its first, I believe in conference that season. Yet, the constant posting here is that Tribe team underachieved.
2018- Lost in the semis to Charleston(again the eventual champion and host school). The Tribe ended Charleston's 10 game winning streak the week before and was the only team to actually beat the Cougars over the last 6 weeks.

Add JMU in the shortened 2013, and you have 5 different winners in the last 6 tourneys. Only UNCW has been more successful that the Tribe(although Hofstra, Northeastern, and now Charleston are close in terms of overall finish and tournament victories over that span). Hofstra has been great so far, but what if they lose in the tourney? Would they fire Joe? They have no tournament titles ever in the CAA. But, they are in the top 4-5 every year.

You want to try and use this as a means to upgrade resources, I am fine with that. But, this team has had 5 freshman and 2 guys who barely played last year. Rowley has played very little and has been ineffective. Both Pierce and Milon have had bouts of injuries and also have struggled through some portions. I thought the guys played very hard Saturday. We just did not make shots and the foul disparity was brutal. Not only do they have talent, but Charleston might get a lot of calls in the tournament. They certainly did last year in the final against Northeastern.

Finally, Nathan is having a very good season. We lament here that he should get the ball every possession as if he would score 50+. But, teams are already trying to double team him in spots. There are other times that he has an opening and passes instead to a wide open teammate who misses the shot. But, it is still a good play. His passing has greatly improved and he played very hard Saturday. I just hope the guys can rally together with the coaches and get a win Thursday. It is not like they aren't trying or giving up.

I don't think we are necessarily demanding he get 50 points per game, but he should be touching the ball at least once on every possession. I feel like when we go on our scoring droughts, the ball rarely goes to him in the post and we just do our aimless passing around the perimeter for 20 seconds before jacking up a low percentage 3

(01-28-2019 01:34 PM)Rocco Wrote:  Shaver didn't get fired for the three seasons in the desert after 2009-10. He's in no trouble now, and that's fine. There's talent on the team, it's just young and not clicking very well. Last year's team rode 7 guys because it gave them the best chance to win. The bill came due for that this season. This isn't like the 2016-17 team that had older talent but no idea what it was doing play-to-play. He should however be told to hire an assistant coach who lives and breathes defense. If it means the hoops team has to sell cookies door-to-door to pay for the coach, so be it.

Agree very much with this. I can excuse poor defense when we only play 6 people, but not when we are running 9-10 man rotations when fully healthy

This is awesome...ha ha


Quinn Blair (35 pts) up to 303, passing Andrew Pavloff, Adam Dutton, Jeremy Dean, and others.

Mehkel Harvey (12 pts) up to T-360, passing Greg Taylor, Dave Fiscella, Andy Becouvarakis, and Sam Swindell.

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Where did you get those numbers? I'm really interested in looking up some older players.