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(01-16-2019 10:31 AM)usffan Wrote:  
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(01-15-2019 05:31 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Fox clearly sees less value in the Big 12 than the Big 12 sees in itself. I wouldn't be surprised to see Fox sit out the next time the Big 12 rights are up for bid. Maybe both ESPN and Fox both low ball the conference rather than continue to pay big for Oklahoma, Texas, and 8 considerably less valuable properties.

Maybe the P5 should be limited to the elite 16. You guys play the MAC, Sun Belt, MWC and AAC as OOC games and crown a champion at the end of the season.
USC
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Washington
Texas
Oklahoma
Alabama
Florida
Georgia
LSU
Tennessee
Michigan
Nebraska
Penn St
Ohio St
Florida St
Clemson

The rest of us which includes Texas Tech, Texas A&M, Auburn, Ole Miss, Miss St, Arizona St, Arizona, Washington St etc can fight for NY bowl games

You do know that Auburn is 10th in revenue, 11th in attendance and 15th overall in winning % right? In that regard we are ahead of Clemson, Tennessee, Florida State, and Florida in at least 2 of those categories if not all 3. Do your homework. And we draw quite well for TV too.

Texas Tech does quite well in some of those categories as well.

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Absolutely right.
No different than fans from your conference that are begging for a Power conference invite along with criticizing members of P5 conferences they deem unworthy of power conference status.
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(01-16-2019 11:31 AM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  
(01-16-2019 10:31 AM)usffan Wrote:  
(01-16-2019 05:50 AM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  
(01-16-2019 12:19 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-15-2019 11:38 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  Maybe the P5 should be limited to the elite 16. You guys play the MAC, Sun Belt, MWC and AAC as OOC games and crown a champion at the end of the season.
USC
UCLA
Washington
Texas
Oklahoma
Alabama
Florida
Georgia
LSU
Tennessee
Michigan
Nebraska
Penn St
Ohio St
Florida St
Clemson

The rest of us which includes Texas Tech, Texas A&M, Auburn, Ole Miss, Miss St, Arizona St, Arizona, Washington St etc can fight for NY bowl games

You do know that Auburn is 10th in revenue, 11th in attendance and 15th overall in winning % right? In that regard we are ahead of Clemson, Tennessee, Florida State, and Florida in at least 2 of those categories if not all 3. Do your homework. And we draw quite well for TV too.

Texas Tech does quite well in some of those categories as well.

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Absolutely right.
No different than fans from your conference that are begging for a Power conference invite along with criticizing members of P5 conferences they deem unworthy of power conference status.

But at least those fans are completely honest about who they root for rather than trying to hide behind the "I root for P5" when, in fact, you root for Texas Tech.

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(01-16-2019 10:31 AM)usffan Wrote:  
(01-16-2019 05:50 AM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  
(01-16-2019 12:19 AM)JRsec Wrote:  You do know that Auburn is 10th in revenue, 11th in attendance and 15th overall in winning % right? In that regard we are ahead of Clemson, Tennessee, Florida State, and Florida in at least 2 of those categories if not all 3. Do your homework. And we draw quite well for TV too.

Texas Tech does quite well in some of those categories as well.

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Absolutely right.
No different than fans from your conference that are begging for a Power conference invite along with criticizing members of P5 conferences they deem unworthy of power conference status.

But at least those fans are completely honest about who they root for rather than trying to hide behind the "I root for P5" when, in fact, you root for Texas Tech.

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I occasionally root for certain P5 teams as well but I am a Red Raider.
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(01-16-2019 11:05 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  I wonder what the other championship games made for the other conferences? Did any make $20 million?

I previously thought the SEC was still being paid separately for its CCG, but now I think that's not correct. It looks like the SEC's CCG TV rights are included in their grossly undervalued contract with CBS.

Pac-12, Big Ten, and ACC all have their CCG rights included with their ESPN and/or Fox TV packages.
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(01-16-2019 11:05 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  I wonder what the other championship games made for the other conferences? Did any make $20 million?

I previously thought the SEC was still being paid separately for its CCG, but now I think that's not correct. It looks like the SEC's CCG TV rights are included in their grossly undervalued contract with CBS.

Yes, CBS pays the SEC about $55m a year for 15 games including the SECCG.

Just another example of Slive being highly overrated as an SEC commissioner.

That deal still has 5 more years to run, BTW.
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(01-16-2019 11:05 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  I wonder what the other championship games made for the other conferences? Did any make $20 million?

Big 10 is $24 million on their past 6 year deal. Don't know how much is factored in their new deal.
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(01-16-2019 12:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-16-2019 12:17 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-16-2019 11:05 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  I wonder what the other championship games made for the other conferences? Did any make $20 million?

I previously thought the SEC was still being paid separately for its CCG, but now I think that's not correct. It looks like the SEC's CCG TV rights are included in their grossly undervalued contract with CBS.

Yes, CBS pays the SEC about $55m a year for 15 games including the SECCG.

Just another example of Slive being highly overrated as an SEC commissioner.

That deal still has 5 more years to run, BTW.

Slive did a great deal of good for us in a lot of different spheres.

When that deal was signed, it was industry leading money. The problem came when A&M and Missouri were added. CBS wasn't willing to renegotiate the deal which is why I think it's highly unlikely you'll see the SEC on CBS in the future.
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(01-16-2019 11:00 AM)bullet Wrote:  I will say auburn, Miami and of course ND belong on that list



I have seen Miami Florida's stadium less than half emptied and their tv ratings dipped below under 500K at times. UCF and USF are getting more fan support in their stadiums and better tv viewership. Miami slipped from a P5 big name to less than a G5 pretender in recent years. The corruption in their athletics department have drove alums, fans and good players away from the school. They would be like Rice and Tulane right now in a P5 conference instead of G5.
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(01-16-2019 11:00 AM)bullet Wrote:  I will say auburn, Miami and of course ND belong on that list



I have seen Miami Florida's stadium less than half emptied and their tv ratings dipped below under 500K at times. UCF and USF are getting more fan support in their stadiums and better tv viewership. Miami slipped from a P5 big name to less than a G5 pretender in recent years. The corruption in their athletics department have drove alums, fans and good players away from the school. They would be like Rice and Tulane right now in a P5 conference instead of G5.

Miami like LA is a place where it’s a must to have professional teams on it even if the support is weak. The same applies to the University of Miami. Any P5 would take Miami over the U_F twins any day even if one or both twins have twice the fan support that Miami has. It’s location, location, location.
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(01-16-2019 03:42 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(01-16-2019 12:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-16-2019 12:17 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-16-2019 11:05 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  I wonder what the other championship games made for the other conferences? Did any make $20 million?

I previously thought the SEC was still being paid separately for its CCG, but now I think that's not correct. It looks like the SEC's CCG TV rights are included in their grossly undervalued contract with CBS.

Yes, CBS pays the SEC about $55m a year for 15 games including the SECCG.

Just another example of Slive being highly overrated as an SEC commissioner.

That deal still has 5 more years to run, BTW.

Slive did a great deal of good for us in a lot of different spheres.

When that deal was signed, it was industry leading money. The problem came when A&M and Missouri were added. CBS wasn't willing to renegotiate the deal which is why I think it's highly unlikely you'll see the SEC on CBS in the future.

As with any executive, it's the job of a commissioner to 'see' the future and plan accordingly. I mean, if I own a Picasso painting, and someone offers me $3 million for it, and I talk to my art advisor and he says "take the deal, that would be the highest price paid for that calibre of Picasso", and I take the $3 million, but then two years later that same painting is selling for $20 million, I sure would be justified in being pissed at my advisor. Any clown can google what the current rate is, you pay an advisor (in this case Slive) to see where the market is going. In the CBS deal, Slive utterly failed at that.

I know the arse-hurt element of the SEC says "no CBS!" but i suspect the SEC will re-up with CBS again. In essence, when AM and Missouri were added, Slive tried to leverage that to correct the mistake he'd made with the original CBS contract, and CBS quite naturally wasn't willing to do that. In 2023, CBS will offer the SEC a lot more money, tons more, and it will make sense for the SEC to take it.

BTW, if the SEC is going to mad at CBS for not boosting their payments, it might as well be mad at ESPN too, as ESPN maneuvered Slive into the 2008 deal which also turned out to be vastly undervalued, and ESPN hasn't given that money back either. The SECN just disguises the fact that sans that bad 2008 deal, the SEC would be making considerably more than it is now from the SECN.

The SEC will be paying for Slive's 2008 mistake until 2036 or thereabouts.
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(01-16-2019 04:05 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-16-2019 03:42 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(01-16-2019 12:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-16-2019 12:17 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-16-2019 11:05 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  I wonder what the other championship games made for the other conferences? Did any make $20 million?

I previously thought the SEC was still being paid separately for its CCG, but now I think that's not correct. It looks like the SEC's CCG TV rights are included in their grossly undervalued contract with CBS.

Yes, CBS pays the SEC about $55m a year for 15 games including the SECCG.

Just another example of Slive being highly overrated as an SEC commissioner.

That deal still has 5 more years to run, BTW.

Slive did a great deal of good for us in a lot of different spheres.

When that deal was signed, it was industry leading money. The problem came when A&M and Missouri were added. CBS wasn't willing to renegotiate the deal which is why I think it's highly unlikely you'll see the SEC on CBS in the future.

As with any executive, it's the job of a commissioner to 'see' the future and plan accordingly. I mean, if I own a Picasso painting, and someone offers me $3 million for it, and I talk to my art advisor and he says "take the deal, that would be the highest price paid for that calibre of Picasso", and I take the $3 million, but then two years later that same painting is selling for $20 million, I sure would be justified in being pissed at my advisor. Any clown can google what the current rate is, you pay an advisor (in this case Slive) to see where the market is going. In the CBS deal, Slive utterly failed at that.

I know the arse-hurt element of the SEC says "no CBS!" but i suspect the SEC will re-up with CBS again. In essence, when AM and Missouri were added, Slive tried to leverage that to correct the mistake he'd made with the original CBS contract, and CBS quite naturally wasn't willing to do that. In 2023, CBS will offer the SEC a lot more money, tons more, and it will make sense for the SEC to take it.

BTW, if the SEC is going to mad at CBS for not boosting their payments, it might as well be mad at ESPN too, as ESPN maneuvered Slive into the 2008 deal which also turned out to be vastly undervalued, and ESPN hasn't given that money back either. The SECN just disguises the fact that sans that bad 2008 deal, the SEC would be making considerably more than it is now from the SECN.

The SEC will be paying for Slive's 2008 mistake until 2036 or thereabouts.

2034 to be precise, but that's if we don't have a reevaluation prior due to the addition of a couple of more schools. And if that does occur then ESPN will be quite willing to give a fair reevaluation because this time it will be ESPN wanting the moves so they can re-up prior to the contract expiration which gives them an early advantage on FAANG competition.

That said once the fair market value of the SEC is acquired I don't expect much in the way of raises moving forward. I think the rights bubble has leveled and that the Big 10 and SEC will plateau and that PAC and Big 12 if it remains will find their bottom before they see another raise. The ACC could go either way.
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(01-16-2019 04:05 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-16-2019 03:42 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(01-16-2019 12:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-16-2019 12:17 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-16-2019 11:05 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  I wonder what the other championship games made for the other conferences? Did any make $20 million?

I previously thought the SEC was still being paid separately for its CCG, but now I think that's not correct. It looks like the SEC's CCG TV rights are included in their grossly undervalued contract with CBS.

Yes, CBS pays the SEC about $55m a year for 15 games including the SECCG.

Just another example of Slive being highly overrated as an SEC commissioner.

That deal still has 5 more years to run, BTW.

Slive did a great deal of good for us in a lot of different spheres.

When that deal was signed, it was industry leading money. The problem came when A&M and Missouri were added. CBS wasn't willing to renegotiate the deal which is why I think it's highly unlikely you'll see the SEC on CBS in the future.

As with any executive, it's the job of a commissioner to 'see' the future and plan accordingly. I mean, if I own a Picasso painting, and someone offers me $3 million for it, and I talk to my art advisor and he says "take the deal, that would be the highest price paid for that calibre of Picasso", and I take the $3 million, but then two years later that same painting is selling for $20 million, I sure would be justified in being pissed at my advisor. Any clown can google what the current rate is, you pay an advisor (in this case Slive) to see where the market is going. In the CBS deal, Slive utterly failed at that.

I know the arse-hurt element of the SEC says "no CBS!" but i suspect the SEC will re-up with CBS again. In essence, when AM and Missouri were added, Slive tried to leverage that to correct the mistake he'd made with the original CBS contract, and CBS quite naturally wasn't willing to do that. In 2023, CBS will offer the SEC a lot more money, tons more, and it will make sense for the SEC to take it.

BTW, if the SEC is going to mad at CBS for not boosting their payments, it might as well be mad at ESPN too, as ESPN maneuvered Slive into the 2008 deal which also turned out to be vastly undervalued, and ESPN hasn't given that money back either. The SECN just disguises the fact that sans that bad 2008 deal, the SEC would be making considerably more than it is now from the SECN.

The SEC will be paying for Slive's 2008 mistake until 2036 or thereabouts.

According to a few things I've read, the parties(CBS and the SEC) aren't even on speaking terms right now so if that sort of icy relationship turns into a blockbuster deal then I'll be shocked. That and there will be other bidders when the contract is up whereas in 2011 the league had no opportunity to go to the open market.

Your example really isn't applicable here. No other conference got nearly 7 times the value the SEC did for their Tier 1 rights...the difference between $3M and $20M doesn't encapsulate the situation.

Foreseeing the future is quite difficult. I don't blame Slive for not seeing every curveball the market would throw at him. Very few have a spotless track record. To be honest, the only part of that CBS deal I think was a poor decision at the time was the length of it. Even then, until very recently it was pretty typical to go for length.

Speaking of the SECN, his decision to wait and allow the Big Ten to try it first turned out to be an excellent call. The B1G owns half their network and last time anyone was reporting numbers, that league was divesting. The SEC decided to forego ownership and avoid the albatross of an expensive media entity in a changing environment. You can also look at what the PAC did which was 180 degrees in the other direction. How's it working out for them?

The difference between CBS and ESPN after the 2011 expansion is that we did get something from ESPN in the deal. We literally got nothing from CBS and so their contract was not extended.
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(01-16-2019 04:49 PM)JRsec Wrote:  2034 to be precise, but that's if we don't have a reevaluation prior due to the addition of a couple of more schools. And if that does occur then ESPN will be quite willing to give a fair reevaluation because this time it will be ESPN wanting the moves so they can re-up prior to the contract expiration which gives them an early advantage on FAANG competition.

That said once the fair market value of the SEC is acquired I don't expect much in the way of raises moving forward. I think the rights bubble has leveled and that the Big 10 and SEC will plateau and that PAC and Big 12 if it remains will find their bottom before they see another raise. The ACC could go either way.

JR, who do you see the SEC expanding with before then?
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(01-16-2019 05:10 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(01-16-2019 04:05 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-16-2019 03:42 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(01-16-2019 12:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-16-2019 12:17 PM)Wedge Wrote:  I previously thought the SEC was still being paid separately for its CCG, but now I think that's not correct. It looks like the SEC's CCG TV rights are included in their grossly undervalued contract with CBS.

Yes, CBS pays the SEC about $55m a year for 15 games including the SECCG.

Just another example of Slive being highly overrated as an SEC commissioner.

That deal still has 5 more years to run, BTW.

Slive did a great deal of good for us in a lot of different spheres.

When that deal was signed, it was industry leading money. The problem came when A&M and Missouri were added. CBS wasn't willing to renegotiate the deal which is why I think it's highly unlikely you'll see the SEC on CBS in the future.

As with any executive, it's the job of a commissioner to 'see' the future and plan accordingly. I mean, if I own a Picasso painting, and someone offers me $3 million for it, and I talk to my art advisor and he says "take the deal, that would be the highest price paid for that calibre of Picasso", and I take the $3 million, but then two years later that same painting is selling for $20 million, I sure would be justified in being pissed at my advisor. Any clown can google what the current rate is, you pay an advisor (in this case Slive) to see where the market is going. In the CBS deal, Slive utterly failed at that.

I know the arse-hurt element of the SEC says "no CBS!" but i suspect the SEC will re-up with CBS again. In essence, when AM and Missouri were added, Slive tried to leverage that to correct the mistake he'd made with the original CBS contract, and CBS quite naturally wasn't willing to do that. In 2023, CBS will offer the SEC a lot more money, tons more, and it will make sense for the SEC to take it.

BTW, if the SEC is going to mad at CBS for not boosting their payments, it might as well be mad at ESPN too, as ESPN maneuvered Slive into the 2008 deal which also turned out to be vastly undervalued, and ESPN hasn't given that money back either. The SECN just disguises the fact that sans that bad 2008 deal, the SEC would be making considerably more than it is now from the SECN.

The SEC will be paying for Slive's 2008 mistake until 2036 or thereabouts.

According to a few things I've read, the parties(CBS and the SEC) aren't even on speaking terms right now so if that sort of icy relationship turns into a blockbuster deal then I'll be shocked. That and there will be other bidders when the contract is up whereas in 2011 the league had no opportunity to go to the open market.

Your example really isn't applicable here. No other conference got nearly 7 times the value the SEC did for their Tier 1 rights...the difference between $3M and $20M doesn't encapsulate the situation.

Foreseeing the future is quite difficult. I don't blame Slive for not seeing every curveball the market would throw at him. Very few have a spotless track record. To be honest, the only part of that CBS deal I think was a poor decision at the time was the length of it. Even then, until very recently it was pretty typical to go for length.

Speaking of the SECN, his decision to wait and allow the Big Ten to try it first turned out to be an excellent call. The B1G owns half their network and last time anyone was reporting numbers, that league was divesting. The SEC decided to forego ownership and avoid the albatross of an expensive media entity in a changing environment. You can also look at what the PAC did which was 180 degrees in the other direction. How's it working out for them?

The difference between CBS and ESPN after the 2011 expansion is that we did get something from ESPN in the deal. We literally got nothing from CBS and so their contract was not extended.

We did get something from CBS. They gave up their exclusivity to having the only SEC game on during the 2:30 time slot. This permitted lesser SEC games to air on the SECN in a time slot that overlapped the CBS broadcast.

That said, if CBS comes to the SEC a few years prior to the 2023-4 season and renews early at a massive increase then it is possible that things could be smoothed out quickly. However, if they carry the undervalued contract through expiration they won't even get the chance to kiss our hairy butt goodbye. I know FOX has interest in the that time slot, and it's quite possible that NBC does as well. ABC might also covet it but having all of our rights with the Disney may not be a preferred route forward.
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(01-16-2019 04:49 PM)JRsec Wrote:  2034 to be precise, but that's if we don't have a reevaluation prior due to the addition of a couple of more schools. And if that does occur then ESPN will be quite willing to give a fair reevaluation because this time it will be ESPN wanting the moves so they can re-up prior to the contract expiration which gives them an early advantage on FAANG competition.

That said once the fair market value of the SEC is acquired I don't expect much in the way of raises moving forward. I think the rights bubble has leveled and that the Big 10 and SEC will plateau and that PAC and Big 12 if it remains will find their bottom before they see another raise. The ACC could go either way.

JR, who do you see the SEC expanding with before then?

I'm thinking 2022 here with the parties perhaps known as early as late 2020. But who it will be depends really upon how soon movement could happen in the Big 12 (as I still see that as much more likely than PAC movement).

Obviously the Big 10 and SEC will have interest in some of the same targets.

If you looked at it from a conference standpoint I would say that the Big 10's priorities would be Texas and Oklahoma and while the SEC would see the value in those two as well, we are in a more comfortable position with regard to penetrating the Texas market. The most economical addition by the SEC would be Oklahoma. They give us the % of the DFW market we want, and add a state and a national brand for content value. But Texas would do the same. The obvious question with each of those schools (if they are inclined to move at all) would be how much they would insist upon their other state school's inclusion.

I've remarked before that from a pure value perspective the ideal additions for the Big 10 would be Colorado and Texas. Two significant demographics, a hot recruiting area and one old rival for Nebraska. Except for the panhandle of Oklahoma they provide a contiguous route for the Big 10 and both are academic stalwarts.

For the SEC the pairing of Oklahoma and Kansas would be a very nice fit. They complete the geographic boundary of the SEC West, add two national brands one of which is in our weakest sport and the SEC could actually monetize Kansas a bit better than the Big 10 because we would not be diluted by their football program and need their strength in hoops.

The Big 10 penetrates Kansas fairly well already, Denver would be the better add. That said money is the only lure the Big 10 would have for Colorado, but the current failing business model of the PAC coupled with their expiration of contract and GOR in 2024 does leave a window for change.

Should both Texas and Oklahoma insist upon a 2nd state school then everything changes. In that event Texas Tech might squeeze into the Big 10 should Texas decide to go, but Texas Tech would hold more value to the SEC paired with Texas than Oklahoma State would paired with Oklahoma. Since OU and OSU together to the Big 10 would likely be a non starter, that makes the whole process much murkier. I think at that point the SEC would prefer to triple dip a state of 28 million rather than double dip a state of 3.9 million.

Lost in this is the fact that Oklahoma has only 2 old foes in the SEC (A&M / B12 & Missouri Big8&Big 12). They have only 1 in the Big 10, Nebraska.

Since there are rumors out there on multiple sites that there may be a push for going divisionless that figures into it as well. If a move to 15 is doable without upsetting divisional balance, then an early move by a school like Kansas could be possible to either the SEC or a little less likely the Big 10. In that case should Texas want to protect more than 1 other Texas school you might see the Horns head West with Tech and another. In that situation Oklahoma becomes the biggest objective for the SEC and Big 10.

Now all of that said, if movement happens early it will likely include coattails. In that world and in a divisionless atmosphere moves of up to 4 become workable. So a conference taking Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State become possible. The ACC for example would find it much easier to accommodate Texas, another Texas school, West Virginia and still hold a slot for the Irish if we move to a P4 with champs only format.

The SEC could ponder Texa-homa and in that kind of move would hold a geographical and cultural advantage. The PAC could possibly take as many as 6 Big 12 schools in that climate.

So to answer your question more directly the SEC might wind up with any of the following:
Texas & Oklahoma
Oklahoma & Kansas
Texas & Kansas
Texas & Texas Tech
Oklahoma & Oklahoma St.
Kansas & T.C.U.
Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, & Oklahoma St.
Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, & West Virginia

and several other variations.

What I don't expect to see happen, at least until the GOR expires, is for Texas, Kansas, Oklahoma, and West Virginia head anywhere as a group because none of the remaining schools could find a home.

And none of that takes into consideration the outcome of the Alston case, but it does take into consideration that both FOX and ESPN have much to gain by having particularly the Big 10, SEC, and possibly the PAC make early additions, qualify contractually for revaluations of their new inventory, sign current contract extensions, and thereby avoid FAANG interference when the current contracts and GOR's are up.
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If the SEC is determined to get Oklahoma then the deal they offer is Oklahoma and Oklahoma St. It's the deal that the Big Ten can't make make and it opens the possibility to keep both of their rivalries, Bedlam and the RRR, the later becoming OOC if both parties want to maintain the game. The SEC only has 8 conference games so that would also give the Sooners more OOC flexibility than the Big Ten.

Divisionless conferences would be prone to chaos and 3 and 4 way ties. No one wants that mess.
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(01-16-2019 06:48 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If the SEC is determined to get Oklahoma then the deal they offer is Oklahoma and Oklahoma St.

If the goal is to simply collect as many big-name football programs as possible, then sure, add the Sooners.

But if the goal is to increase the per-school revenue of SEC members, then, because the SEC's per-school media value is already so high, only Texas could increase that per-school revenue for them.

Adding OU is nice if you're collecting football programs, and maybe going into North Carolina and Virginia is cool if you're playing Risk and just trying to capture new states on the map, but teams other than the Horns wouldn't increase the SEC's per-school revenue. (Notre Dame would as well, but ND to the SEC is so absurd that it's outside the realm of even wild speculation.)
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RE: FOX No Longer Airing BXII Championship Game
and NC & VA are gonna watch this happen & fall more behind, I don't think so.
If GOR is the promblem, B-10 & SEC wait.
double dip with Okla St & not Clemson & FSU.
Kansas was left behind in Pac-Texokla merger,
now there key piece for B-10 & SEC, that quite a jump
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RE: FOX No Longer Airing BXII Championship Game
(01-16-2019 07:26 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-16-2019 06:48 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If the SEC is determined to get Oklahoma then the deal they offer is Oklahoma and Oklahoma St.

If the goal is to simply collect as many big-name football programs as possible, then sure, add the Sooners.

But if the goal is to increase the per-school revenue of SEC members, then, because the SEC's per-school media value is already so high, only Texas could increase that per-school revenue for them.

Adding OU is nice if you're collecting football programs, and maybe going into North Carolina and Virginia is cool if you're playing Risk and just trying to capture new states on the map, but teams other than the Horns wouldn't increase the SEC's per-school revenue. (Notre Dame would as well, but ND to the SEC is so absurd that it's outside the realm of even wild speculation.)

Actually you are wrong here Wedge. Texas or Oklahoma add significant revenue to the SEC. Both add enough to bring a tag along, but in both cases the profit is then negligible. In the case of UT/TTU it's slightly more because Texas's starting value is higher. Kansas doesn't stand on their own but it is more profitable as a pairing with either Texas or Oklahoma than a 2nd state school would be, and better than any other Big 12 school.
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(01-16-2019 07:26 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-16-2019 06:48 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If the SEC is determined to get Oklahoma then the deal they offer is Oklahoma and Oklahoma St.

If the goal is to simply collect as many big-name football programs as possible, then sure, add the Sooners.

But if the goal is to increase the per-school revenue of SEC members, then, because the SEC's per-school media value is already so high, only Texas could increase that per-school revenue for them.

Adding OU is nice if you're collecting football programs, and maybe going into North Carolina and Virginia is cool if you're playing Risk and just trying to capture new states on the map, but teams other than the Horns wouldn't increase the SEC's per-school revenue. (Notre Dame would as well, but ND to the SEC is so absurd that it's outside the realm of even wild speculation.)

Its a pretty limited list of programs that could increase any conference's payout. USC, UCLA, Texas, Ohio St., Michigan, Notre Dame, Alabama, Florida, Florida St., maybe Miami, Penn St. and Georgia. Maybe Oklahoma.

But then, I didn't think Rutgers, Maryland, Syracuse, Pitt or Missouri could justify going to 14. Maybe there's some other new revenue source as the conference network once justified those additions.
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