On these boards we often discuss directly or indirectly the relative strength of our programs. In an effort to take an unbiased approach to the debate, I have compiled a Top 25 ranking system that is based purely on winning. My formula is simple. These rankings our based on the summary of every team's record over last 3 seasons, regardless of conference. The highest winning percentages get the higher rankings.

Let me be clear, this is not a ranking of this season's teams. What I am attempting to compile is a snap-shot of of each programs success in recent years, in an effort to identify and rank the best G5 programs. Each program is also assigned a +,-, or =, which identifies if the program is trending up (improved their record over last season), down (lost more game then last season), equal for repeating their record from last season, and an automatic - for posting losing season in the last two seasons (yes, a team made the top 25 even though they have two straight losing seasons).

* Team only has two seasons to average

All winning percentages are rounded up if above .5. In the event that multiple teams tie in winning percentage, here are the tie breakers...

Tie-breakers
1. Better 2018 record
2. Head to head winner
3. Bowl winner
4. P5 wins
5. Higher rated offense

And here are my findings...

Top 25

Rank/Team/Winning%/3 Year Record/Conference
1. - UCF (79%) 31-8 AAC
2. - Troy (79%) 30-8 Sun Belt
3. - Boise St. (78%) 31-9 MWC
4. + App St (77%) 30-9 Sun Belt
5. + Army (74%) 29-10 Ind
6. - S Florida (74%) 28-10 AAC
7. + UAB (70%) 19-8 C-USA *
8. - S Diego St (70%) 28-12 MWC
9. -Memphis (68%) 27-13 AAC
10. - Toledo (68%) 27-13 MAC
11. + WMU (67%) 26-13 MAC
12. = Ohio (65%) 26-14 MAC
13. + Houston (63%) 24-14 AAC
14. + Temple (63%) 25-15 AAC
15. + Arkansas St (61%) 23-15 Sun Belt
16. + LA Tech (60%) 24-16 C-USA
17. + Fresno St (58%) 23-17 MWC
18. + North Texas (58%) 23-17 C-USA
19. + MTSU (58%) 23-17 C-USA
20. - Southern Miss (57%) 21-16 C-USA
21. - Wyoming (56%) 22-17 MWC
22. + FIU (55%) 21-17 C-USA
23. - Air Force (54%) 20-17 MWC
24. = NIU (53%) 21-18 MAC
25. + Utah St (53%) 20-18 MWC

Here are how C-USA's programs stacked up against each other...

C-USA (71% of the conference plays .500 ball or better)

UAB 19-9 (70%) *
LA Tech 24-16 (60%)
North Texas 23-17 (58%)
MTSU 23-17 (58%)
Southern Miss 21-16 (57%)
FIU 21-17 (55%)
Marshall 20-18 (53%)
ODU 19-18 (51%)
WKU 20-19 (51%)
FAU 19-19 (50%)
UTSA 15-21 (42%)
Charlotte 10-26 (28%)
Rice 6-31 (16%)
UTEP 5-31 (13%)

Here is a link to the main thread with all G5 conferences included.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-867354.html

None of the stuff posted by sideshowjoe above really surprises me.


I was a little surprised to see this posted on twitter today from LATechReport.com:

With Louisiana Tech's @HawaiiBowl win, the Bulldogs now have a winning record vs. every Group of Five conference.

How great has #LaTech performed vs. the other four G5 leagues? 24–4 (.857) #dominant

LA Tech Undefeated vs. AAC
LA Tech .667 vs. MWC
LA Tech .786 vs. MAC
LA Tech Undefeated vs. SunBelt

(12-30-2018 06:01 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  On these boards we often discuss directly or indirectly the relative strength of our programs. In an effort to take an unbiased approach to the debate, I have compiled a Top 25 ranking system that is based purely on winning. My formula is simple. These rankings our based on the summary of every team's record over last 3 seasons, regardless of conference. The highest winning percentages get the higher rankings.

Let me be clear, this is not a ranking of this season's teams. What I am attempting to compile is a snap-shot of of each programs success in recent years, in an effort to identify and rank the best G5 programs. Each program is also assigned a +,-, or =, which identifies if the program is trending up (improved their record over last season), down (lost more game then last season), equal for repeating their record from last season, and an automatic - for posting losing season in the last two seasons (yes, a team made the top 25 even though they have two straight losing seasons).

* Team only has two seasons to average

All winning percentages are rounded up if above .5. In the event that multiple teams tie in winning percentage, here are the tie breakers...

Tie-breakers
1. Better 2018 record
2. Head to head winner
3. Bowl winner
4. P5 wins
5. Higher rated offense

And here are my findings...

Top 25

Rank/Team/Winning%/3 Year Record/Conference
1. = UCF (81%) 31-7 AAC
2. - Troy (79%) 30-8 Sun Belt
3. - Boise St. (78%) 31-9 MWC
4. + App St (77%) 30-9 Sun Belt
5. + Army (74%) 29-10 Ind
6. - S Florida (74%) 28-10 AAC
7. + UAB (70%) 19-8 C-USA *
8. - S Diego St (70%) 28-12 MWC
9. -Memphis (68%) 27-13 AAC
10. - Toledo (68%) 27-13 MAC
11. + WMU (67%) 26-13 MAC
12. = Ohio (65%) 26-14 MAC
13. + Houston (63%) 24-14 AAC
14. + Temple (63%) 25-15 AAC
15. + Arkansas St (61%) 23-15 Sun Belt
16. + LA Tech (60%) 24-16 C-USA
17. + Fresno St (58%) 23-17 MWC
18. + North Texas (58%) 23-17 C-USA
19. + MTSU (58%) 23-17 C-USA
20. - Southern Miss (57%) 21-16 C-USA
21. - Wyoming (56%) 22-17 MWC
22. + FIU (55%) 21-17 C-USA
23. - Air Force (54%) 20-17 MWC
24. = NIU (53%) 21-18 MAC
25. + Utah St (53%) 20-18 MWC

Here are how C-USA's programs stacked up against each other...

C-USA (71% of the conference plays .500 ball or better)

UAB 19-9 (70%) *
LA Tech 24-16 (60%)
North Texas 23-17 (58%)
MTSU 23-17 (58%)
Southern Miss 21-16 (57%)
FIU 21-17 (55%)
Marshall 20-18 (53%)
ODU 19-18 (51%)
WKU 20-19 (51%)
FAU 19-19 (50%)
UTSA 15-21 (42%)
Charlotte 10-26 (28%)
Rice 6-31 (16%)
UTEP 5-31 (13%)

Here is a link to the main thread with all G5 conferences included.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-867354.html

Let me ask, why just the past 3 seasons? I believe I already know that answer, UNT was 1-11 four years ago. Let me correct you on something winning % does not equal "relative strength of our programs". CHAMPIONSHIPS play a major role in that also. I would bet 90% of the fans on this board would take a championship season and 6-7 and 5-7 season....

over three 7-5 seasons or 7-5, 8-4, 7-5

(12-30-2018 07:41 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(12-30-2018 06:01 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  On these boards we often discuss directly or indirectly the relative strength of our programs. In an effort to take an unbiased approach to the debate, I have compiled a Top 25 ranking system that is based purely on winning. My formula is simple. These rankings our based on the summary of every team's record over last 3 seasons, regardless of conference. The highest winning percentages get the higher rankings.

Let me be clear, this is not a ranking of this season's teams. What I am attempting to compile is a snap-shot of of each programs success in recent years, in an effort to identify and rank the best G5 programs. Each program is also assigned a +,-, or =, which identifies if the program is trending up (improved their record over last season), down (lost more game then last season), equal for repeating their record from last season, and an automatic - for posting losing season in the last two seasons (yes, a team made the top 25 even though they have two straight losing seasons).

* Team only has two seasons to average

All winning percentages are rounded up if above .5. In the event that multiple teams tie in winning percentage, here are the tie breakers...

Tie-breakers
1. Better 2018 record
2. Head to head winner
3. Bowl winner
4. P5 wins
5. Higher rated offense

And here are my findings...

Top 25

Rank/Team/Winning%/3 Year Record/Conference
1. = UCF (81%) 31-7 AAC
2. - Troy (79%) 30-8 Sun Belt
3. - Boise St. (78%) 31-9 MWC
4. + App St (77%) 30-9 Sun Belt
5. + Army (74%) 29-10 Ind
6. - S Florida (74%) 28-10 AAC
7. + UAB (70%) 19-8 C-USA *
8. - S Diego St (70%) 28-12 MWC
9. -Memphis (68%) 27-13 AAC
10. - Toledo (68%) 27-13 MAC
11. + WMU (67%) 26-13 MAC
12. = Ohio (65%) 26-14 MAC
13. + Houston (63%) 24-14 AAC
14. + Temple (63%) 25-15 AAC
15. + Arkansas St (61%) 23-15 Sun Belt
16. + LA Tech (60%) 24-16 C-USA
17. + Fresno St (58%) 23-17 MWC
18. + North Texas (58%) 23-17 C-USA
19. + MTSU (58%) 23-17 C-USA
20. - Southern Miss (57%) 21-16 C-USA
21. - Wyoming (56%) 22-17 MWC
22. + FIU (55%) 21-17 C-USA
23. - Air Force (54%) 20-17 MWC
24. = NIU (53%) 21-18 MAC
25. + Utah St (53%) 20-18 MWC

Here are how C-USA's programs stacked up against each other...

C-USA (71% of the conference plays .500 ball or better)

UAB 19-9 (70%) *
LA Tech 24-16 (60%)
North Texas 23-17 (58%)
MTSU 23-17 (58%)
Southern Miss 21-16 (57%)
FIU 21-17 (55%)
Marshall 20-18 (53%)
ODU 19-18 (51%)
WKU 20-19 (51%)
FAU 19-19 (50%)
UTSA 15-21 (42%)
Charlotte 10-26 (28%)
Rice 6-31 (16%)
UTEP 5-31 (13%)

Here is a link to the main thread with all G5 conferences included.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-867354.html

Let me ask, why just the past 3 seasons? I believe I already know that answer, UNT was 1-11 four years ago. Let me correct you on something winning % does not equal "relative strength of our programs". CHAMPIONSHIPS play a major role in that also. I would bet 90% of the fans on this board would take a championship season and 6-7 and 5-7 season....

over three 7-5 seasons or 7-5, 8-4, 7-5

The face of reality is still kicking West Kentucky fans in the nuts. Come to terms with your place in college football (being irrelevant).

He's right though. The three year, arbitrary time frame was chosen only because it put UNT in the best possible light.

(12-30-2018 07:45 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(12-30-2018 07:41 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(12-30-2018 06:01 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  On these boards we often discuss directly or indirectly the relative strength of our programs. In an effort to take an unbiased approach to the debate, I have compiled a Top 25 ranking system that is based purely on winning. My formula is simple. These rankings our based on the summary of every team's record over last 3 seasons, regardless of conference. The highest winning percentages get the higher rankings.

Let me be clear, this is not a ranking of this season's teams. What I am attempting to compile is a snap-shot of of each programs success in recent years, in an effort to identify and rank the best G5 programs. Each program is also assigned a +,-, or =, which identifies if the program is trending up (improved their record over last season), down (lost more game then last season), equal for repeating their record from last season, and an automatic - for posting losing season in the last two seasons (yes, a team made the top 25 even though they have two straight losing seasons).

* Team only has two seasons to average

All winning percentages are rounded up if above .5. In the event that multiple teams tie in winning percentage, here are the tie breakers...

Tie-breakers
1. Better 2018 record
2. Head to head winner
3. Bowl winner
4. P5 wins
5. Higher rated offense

And here are my findings...

Top 25

Rank/Team/Winning%/3 Year Record/Conference
1. = UCF (81%) 31-7 AAC
2. - Troy (79%) 30-8 Sun Belt
3. - Boise St. (78%) 31-9 MWC
4. + App St (77%) 30-9 Sun Belt
5. + Army (74%) 29-10 Ind
6. - S Florida (74%) 28-10 AAC
7. + UAB (70%) 19-8 C-USA *
8. - S Diego St (70%) 28-12 MWC
9. -Memphis (68%) 27-13 AAC
10. - Toledo (68%) 27-13 MAC
11. + WMU (67%) 26-13 MAC
12. = Ohio (65%) 26-14 MAC
13. + Houston (63%) 24-14 AAC
14. + Temple (63%) 25-15 AAC
15. + Arkansas St (61%) 23-15 Sun Belt
16. + LA Tech (60%) 24-16 C-USA
17. + Fresno St (58%) 23-17 MWC
18. + North Texas (58%) 23-17 C-USA
19. + MTSU (58%) 23-17 C-USA
20. - Southern Miss (57%) 21-16 C-USA
21. - Wyoming (56%) 22-17 MWC
22. + FIU (55%) 21-17 C-USA
23. - Air Force (54%) 20-17 MWC
24. = NIU (53%) 21-18 MAC
25. + Utah St (53%) 20-18 MWC

Here are how C-USA's programs stacked up against each other...

C-USA (71% of the conference plays .500 ball or better)

UAB 19-9 (70%) *
LA Tech 24-16 (60%)
North Texas 23-17 (58%)
MTSU 23-17 (58%)
Southern Miss 21-16 (57%)
FIU 21-17 (55%)
Marshall 20-18 (53%)
ODU 19-18 (51%)
WKU 20-19 (51%)
FAU 19-19 (50%)
UTSA 15-21 (42%)
Charlotte 10-26 (28%)
Rice 6-31 (16%)
UTEP 5-31 (13%)

Here is a link to the main thread with all G5 conferences included.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-867354.html

Let me ask, why just the past 3 seasons? I believe I already know that answer, UNT was 1-11 four years ago. Let me correct you on something winning % does not equal "relative strength of our programs". CHAMPIONSHIPS play a major role in that also. I would bet 90% of the fans on this board would take a championship season and 6-7 and 5-7 season....

over three 7-5 seasons or 7-5, 8-4, 7-5

The face of reality is still kicking West Kentucky fans in the nuts. Come to terms with your place in college football (being irrelevant).

the last time S. Miss won anything a college player today would have been playing pop warner football ...talk about being irrelevant

Interesting Joe. I know a lot of work went into this, good job!

But like others said, why three years? I know Marshall went 10-3 if you go back four years.

I don’t want to dismiss your findings though, they have value!

I think if you were to pick a timeframe to judge a Program it would be based on 5 years. That allows 1 group of freshman to make it through the entire program plus with enough turnover to make it a better representation of a program.

Marshall’s four year winning percentage is 58% (30-21) with three bowl wins.

I believe that’s enough data to prove our 2016 3-9 season to be a fluke.

We’re probably a top ten G5 program overall, no bias.

How about this, since realinenment finalized after 2013, against the FBS only, Marshall is:

43-23
3-0 against the AAC
1-0 against the MWC
8-2 against the MAC
23-13 against CUSA
0-0 against the Belt
4-0 in bowls

Feel free to post your comparative numbers.

(12-30-2018 08:10 PM)banker Wrote:  How about this, since realinenment finalized after 2013, against the FBS only, Marshall is:

43-23
3-0 against the AAC
1-0 against the MWC
8-2 against the MAC
23-13 against CUSA
0-0 against the Belt
4-0 in bowls

Feel free to post your comparative numbers.

Home for home with App to work on that belt record a little? :thinking:

Edit: forgot we already have one scheduled LUL

If we’re going with a 5 year average...Marshall is 43-22 (66%)

(12-30-2018 08:12 PM)FTE_rawr Wrote:  

(12-30-2018 08:10 PM)banker Wrote:  How about this, since realinenment finalized after 2013, against the FBS only, Marshall is:

43-23
3-0 against the AAC
1-0 against the MWC
8-2 against the MAC
23-13 against CUSA
0-0 against the Belt
4-0 in bowls

Feel free to post your comparative numbers.

Home for home with App to work on that belt record a little? :thinking:

You should keep up with your team better. We already have a H and H scheduled with you guys.

(12-30-2018 08:18 PM)banker Wrote:  

(12-30-2018 08:12 PM)FTE_rawr Wrote:  

(12-30-2018 08:10 PM)banker Wrote:  How about this, since realinenment finalized after 2013, against the FBS only, Marshall is:

43-23
3-0 against the AAC
1-0 against the MWC
8-2 against the MAC
23-13 against CUSA
0-0 against the Belt
4-0 in bowls

Feel free to post your comparative numbers.

Home for home with App to work on that belt record a little? :thinking:

You should keep up with your team better. We already have a H and H scheduled with you guys.

Oof, forgot about that. Looking forward to it! I have a bunch of family in WV so I may come up there for our away game.

According to those numbers Marshall should be tied for 25th. That's with one of our worst seasons since moving up to FBS when we went 3-9 in 2016.

Western is 48-30, 61.5% 2013-2018 (CUSA 3.0)
8-4
8-5
12-2
11-3
6-7
3-9

CUSA 27-15 64.2%
Big 10 0-4 0%
ACC 0-1 0%
SEC 2-5 28.5%
SBC 4-4 50% (7 games in 2013 and 1 bowl game)
Army/Navy 4-0 100%
MAC 6-0 100%
AAC 2-0 100%

4 different coaches...now 5 in 7 seasons

Here are the results of top teams in the last 5 years (40 wins or more).

Boise State 52-15
Appalachian State 48-16
Toledo 46-19
Memphis 46-20
Houston 45-20
San Diego State 46-21
Marshall 43-22
La Tech 42-25
UCF 40-23*
South Florida 40-23
Western Michigan 40-23
Temple 41-25
Ohio 40-25
WKU 40-26
NIU 40-27

(12-30-2018 08:39 PM)rileylives Wrote:  Here are the results of top teams in the last 5 years (40 wins or more).

Boise State 52-15
Appalachian State 48-16
Toledo 46-19
Memphis 46-20
Houston 45-20
San Diego State 46-21
Marshall 43-22
La Tech 42-25
UCF 40-23*
South Florida 40-23
Western Michigan 40-23
Temple 41-25
Ohio 40-25
WKU 40-26
NIU 40-27

I think looking at that list reveals a much clearer picture.

A few things to note with this list

- Most if not all of these teams have cracked the top 25 once in the last five years

- All the conferences have multiple teams hitting the 40 win threshold, except the Sun Belt

American 5x
MAC 4x
CUSA 3x
Mountain West 2x
Sun Belt 1x

Finally, please tell me again. How in the world did we invite Charlotte over Appalachian State?

Charlotte last 5 years 17-42
Appalachian State last 5 years 48-16

Man. Markets.

Please fulfill your potential Charlotte, we need you!

UAB is 25-14 (64%) in the past 5 years and didn't play 2 of them obviously.

18-7 vs CUSA
2-1 vs SB (Troy, CCU ×2)
1-0 vs AAC (Tulane)
0-4 vs SEC (Miss State, Florida, Arkansas, Texas A&M)
3-0 vs FCS
1-2 vs MAC (Ball State, Ohio, NIU)

In the OOC:

6-0 at home
0-6 on the road
1-1 neutral

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