(12-25-2018 11:08 PM)airtroop Wrote:  

(12-25-2018 03:35 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  Well, lets look at the next 5 years of OOC schedules....


2019-2023 Home Games vs P5/AAC


CUSA

Charlotte- 2/0
FIU- 1/0 (Very few games scheduled)
FAU- 0/2
Marshall- 2/3
MTSU- 3/0
ODU- 3/1
WKU- 2/1

La Tech- 1/1
North Texas- 1/4
Rice- 3/2
So Miss- 0/1
UAB- 0/0 (Still have open dates and catching up from shut down of program)
UTEP- 1/0
UTSA- 0-2


CUSA Total Home Games vs P5/AAC- 17/17



Sun Belt

App St- 1/2
Coastal- 1/0
Ga Southern- 0/0 (Do host BYU which is equivalent to AAC imo)
Ga St- 1/1
Troy- 1/0 (Still a lot of open dates)

Ark St- 0/4 (Still a lot of open dates)
Louisiana- 1/1 (Still a lot of open dates)
USA- 0/1
TX St- 1/1
ULM- 0/1 (Still a lot of open dates)


Sun Belt Total Home Games vs P5/AAC- 6/11


This seems to go with the historical trend. Yeah, you all get a few home games against P5 and AAC but no where near as many as CUSA gets. Over next 5 years we already have 17 home games scheduled against the P5 to Sun Belt's 6 and we have another 17 home games scheduled against the AAC while you all only have 11.

That is a big disparity for sure. Sun Belt needs to do a better job of getting the P5s at home.

Could it be that P5's are just a bit more willing to risk a road game at a C-USA stadium than an SBC location? Composite rankings over the last few years would (overall) indicate a slightly larger chance of them losing on the road at an SBC venue. Juss' sayin'...

Generally speaking, you aren't getting a P5 unless you are in a major recruiting hotbed, or they are local enough they see it as an easy trip.

AState could join the AAC tomorrow and still have the same issues getting P5 schools to come here. Conference has next to nothing to do with it. Hell, until CUSA agrees to start playing us again, we're struggling for any home games outside of AAC and some far flung G5 somewhere in the same boat we are schedule wise.

You just have to be willing to give up guarantee pay games for H&H series. Ticket sales and local economic impact have to be able to match or better the single game payout. You can offset a $1m pay game by selling $40 tickets at a 25k seat stadium.

(12-26-2018 02:26 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  You just have to be willing to give up guarantee pay games for H&H series. Ticket sales and local economic impact have to be able to match or better the single game payout. You can offset a $1m pay game by selling $40 tickets at a 25k seat stadium.

Still have to get team to come in to do it. We've agreed as a program to avoid 2 for 1's, so it makes things harder.

I highly doubt we'd ever give up a guarantee. We'd give up our FCS home game before we gave up playing the guarantee.

(12-26-2018 02:54 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-26-2018 02:26 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  You just have to be willing to give up guarantee pay games for H&H series. Ticket sales and local economic impact have to be able to match or better the single game payout. You can offset a $1m pay game by selling $40 tickets at a 25k seat stadium.

Still have to get team to come in to do it. We've agreed as a program to avoid 2 for 1's, so it makes things harder.

Same here. I don't like it. I think if we want to host more P5 teams we still need to offer 2 for 1s from time to time.

(12-26-2018 01:17 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-25-2018 11:08 PM)airtroop Wrote:  

(12-25-2018 03:35 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  Well, lets look at the next 5 years of OOC schedules....


2019-2023 Home Games vs P5/AAC


CUSA

Charlotte- 2/0
FIU- 1/0 (Very few games scheduled)
FAU- 0/2
Marshall- 2/3
MTSU- 3/0
ODU- 3/1
WKU- 2/1

La Tech- 1/1
North Texas- 1/4
Rice- 3/2
So Miss- 0/1
UAB- 0/0 (Still have open dates and catching up from shut down of program)
UTEP- 1/0
UTSA- 0-2


CUSA Total Home Games vs P5/AAC- 17/17



Sun Belt

App St- 1/2
Coastal- 1/0
Ga Southern- 0/0 (Do host BYU which is equivalent to AAC imo)
Ga St- 1/1
Troy- 1/0 (Still a lot of open dates)

Ark St- 0/4 (Still a lot of open dates)
Louisiana- 1/1 (Still a lot of open dates)
USA- 0/1
TX St- 1/1
ULM- 0/1 (Still a lot of open dates)


Sun Belt Total Home Games vs P5/AAC- 6/11


This seems to go with the historical trend. Yeah, you all get a few home games against P5 and AAC but no where near as many as CUSA gets. Over next 5 years we already have 17 home games scheduled against the P5 to Sun Belt's 6 and we have another 17 home games scheduled against the AAC while you all only have 11.

That is a big disparity for sure. Sun Belt needs to do a better job of getting the P5s at home.

Could it be that P5's are just a bit more willing to risk a road game at a C-USA stadium than an SBC location? Composite rankings over the last few years would (overall) indicate a slightly larger chance of them losing on the road at an SBC venue. Juss' sayin'...

Generally speaking, you aren't getting a P5 unless you are in a major recruiting hotbed, or they are local enough they see it as an easy trip.

AState could join the AAC tomorrow and still have the same issues getting P5 schools to come here. Conference has next to nothing to do with it. Hell, until CUSA agrees to start playing us again, we're struggling for any home games outside of AAC and some far flung G5 somewhere in the same boat we are schedule wise.

On the other hand, you guys are the undisputed #2 program in your home state with no other FBS schools threatening this status.

(12-24-2018 09:00 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  CUSA bowl destinations sounds good for week long family vacations, but our fanbase I prefer our bowl tie ins. We aren’t going to bring over 2,000 to Hawaii and probably Bahamas.

Nobody other than Hawaii has many fans show up for either of these two bowl games. Honolulu is a fantastic bowl destination for players and coaches, but very few fans from the mainland ever make the trip for the game.

(12-26-2018 01:17 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-25-2018 11:08 PM)airtroop Wrote:  

(12-25-2018 03:35 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  Well, lets look at the next 5 years of OOC schedules....


2019-2023 Home Games vs P5/AAC


CUSA

Charlotte- 2/0
FIU- 1/0 (Very few games scheduled)
FAU- 0/2
Marshall- 2/3
MTSU- 3/0
ODU- 3/1
WKU- 2/1

La Tech- 1/1
North Texas- 1/4
Rice- 3/2
So Miss- 0/1
UAB- 0/0 (Still have open dates and catching up from shut down of program)
UTEP- 1/0
UTSA- 0-2


CUSA Total Home Games vs P5/AAC- 17/17



Sun Belt

App St- 1/2
Coastal- 1/0
Ga Southern- 0/0 (Do host BYU which is equivalent to AAC imo)
Ga St- 1/1
Troy- 1/0 (Still a lot of open dates)

Ark St- 0/4 (Still a lot of open dates)
Louisiana- 1/1 (Still a lot of open dates)
USA- 0/1
TX St- 1/1
ULM- 0/1 (Still a lot of open dates)


Sun Belt Total Home Games vs P5/AAC- 6/11


This seems to go with the historical trend. Yeah, you all get a few home games against P5 and AAC but no where near as many as CUSA gets. Over next 5 years we already have 17 home games scheduled against the P5 to Sun Belt's 6 and we have another 17 home games scheduled against the AAC while you all only have 11.

That is a big disparity for sure. Sun Belt needs to do a better job of getting the P5s at home.

Could it be that P5's are just a bit more willing to risk a road game at a C-USA stadium than an SBC location? Composite rankings over the last few years would (overall) indicate a slightly larger chance of them losing on the road at an SBC venue. Juss' sayin'...

Generally speaking, you aren't getting a P5 unless you are in a major recruiting hotbed, or they are local enough they see it as an easy trip.

AState could join the AAC tomorrow and still have the same issues getting P5 schools to come here. Conference has next to nothing to do with it. Hell, until CUSA agrees to start playing us again, we're struggling for any home games outside of AAC and some far flung G5 somewhere in the same boat we are schedule wise.

While I wish it was Arkansas State instead, North Texas semi-recently scheduled a H/H with South Alabama. It may not be common, but some of the CUSA schools are not boycotting SBC schools.

When the conversation turns to who has better bowl ties in and hosting P5 teams you can tell we’ve passed them on the field.

(12-26-2018 02:26 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  You just have to be willing to give up guarantee pay games for H&H series. Ticket sales and local economic impact have to be able to match or better the single game payout. You can offset a $1m pay game by selling $40 tickets at a 25k seat stadium.

EXACTLY!

Unfortunately, a lot of teams require those guarantee games for financial reasons. App won't have trouble scheduling because you have an actual fan base.

Also, Marshall isn't boycotting the Sun Belt. Why would we schedule the bottom level of Sun Belt when we can play home-home with P5s, AAC teams and Boise?

We have already scheduled App State which is awesome. We have played Troy in the past and wouldn't be surprised if we scheduled them or Ga Southern in the future. Outside of those 3 why would Marshall want to schedule a game with the Coastals and ULMs of the world? We already have our own Charlottes, and F_Us on the schedule.

(12-26-2018 09:36 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(12-26-2018 02:26 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  You just have to be willing to give up guarantee pay games for H&H series. Ticket sales and local economic impact have to be able to match or better the single game payout. You can offset a $1m pay game by selling $40 tickets at a 25k seat stadium.

EXACTLY!

Unfortunately, a lot of teams require those guarantee games for financial reasons. App won't have trouble scheduling because you have an actual fan base.

Also, Marshall isn't boycotting the Sun Belt. Why would we schedule the bottom level of Sun Belt when we can play home-home with P5s, AAC teams and Boise?

We have already scheduled App State which is awesome. We have played Troy in the past and wouldn't be surprised if we scheduled them or Ga Southern in the future. Outside of those 3 why would Marshall want to schedule a game with the Coastals and ULMs of the world? We already have our own Charlottes, and F_Us on the schedule.

For the record, ULM isn’t bottom level SBC on the field.

The whole idea is flawed about SBC teams going to cusa.
1. Even assuming that all fees would be waved and the lineup is the same, very few SBC teams would likely move. The bobcat would jump to be able to play with regional schools amd rivals. Maybe GSU or Cajuns might. Most others would be fine staying put.

The problem is reality. There will be fees and no one sees the benefit in moving to offset that money. Also, why would an SBC school move to cusa that already has 14 members? ,you would need 2 more to keep it balanced further diluting the meager TV and playoff money. A loser for SBC teams that already get more per school. Also, the only reason cusa is going to ADD anyone is because someone left. Who would leave and why? It would be to greener pastures and would likely be your top programs. Further reducing any chance cusa could attract am SBC team.

The more likely scenario is someone or two moving over to the SBC. It would help cusa not to have to split the pot as much. But SBC wouldn't just take anyone. I could see one of the Texas teams and one eastern team, not in Florida. If Marshall and/or USM decided to get a,change of scenery they would be given acceptance instantly. Might waive some ofnthe fees for them. Now that is just day dreaming, but just as likely as any SBC,school moving to the cusa now.

Not in favor of going to the current C-USA but if the top teams from each conference would make a new conference that would be about the only reason I’d leave the Sunbelt set up we have.

(12-26-2018 07:08 AM)Magic95Fan Wrote:  

(12-26-2018 01:17 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-25-2018 11:08 PM)airtroop Wrote:  

(12-25-2018 03:35 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  Well, lets look at the next 5 years of OOC schedules....


2019-2023 Home Games vs P5/AAC


CUSA

Charlotte- 2/0
FIU- 1/0 (Very few games scheduled)
FAU- 0/2
Marshall- 2/3
MTSU- 3/0
ODU- 3/1
WKU- 2/1

La Tech- 1/1
North Texas- 1/4
Rice- 3/2
So Miss- 0/1
UAB- 0/0 (Still have open dates and catching up from shut down of program)
UTEP- 1/0
UTSA- 0-2


CUSA Total Home Games vs P5/AAC- 17/17



Sun Belt

App St- 1/2
Coastal- 1/0
Ga Southern- 0/0 (Do host BYU which is equivalent to AAC imo)
Ga St- 1/1
Troy- 1/0 (Still a lot of open dates)

Ark St- 0/4 (Still a lot of open dates)
Louisiana- 1/1 (Still a lot of open dates)
USA- 0/1
TX St- 1/1
ULM- 0/1 (Still a lot of open dates)


Sun Belt Total Home Games vs P5/AAC- 6/11


This seems to go with the historical trend. Yeah, you all get a few home games against P5 and AAC but no where near as many as CUSA gets. Over next 5 years we already have 17 home games scheduled against the P5 to Sun Belt's 6 and we have another 17 home games scheduled against the AAC while you all only have 11.

That is a big disparity for sure. Sun Belt needs to do a better job of getting the P5s at home.

Could it be that P5's are just a bit more willing to risk a road game at a C-USA stadium than an SBC location? Composite rankings over the last few years would (overall) indicate a slightly larger chance of them losing on the road at an SBC venue. Juss' sayin'...

Generally speaking, you aren't getting a P5 unless you are in a major recruiting hotbed, or they are local enough they see it as an easy trip.

AState could join the AAC tomorrow and still have the same issues getting P5 schools to come here. Conference has next to nothing to do with it. Hell, until CUSA agrees to start playing us again, we're struggling for any home games outside of AAC and some far flung G5 somewhere in the same boat we are schedule wise.

While I wish it was Arkansas State instead, North Texas semi-recently scheduled a H/H with South Alabama. It may not be common, but some of the CUSA schools are not boycotting SBC schools.

cusa may be able to get more P5's to come in because more of their schools have access to larger stadiums and some are in better travel locations.
utsa was immediately able to bring in name teams. easy flights to s.a. and big stadium combined with large recruiting area. I can see unt and uab and rice for example all having an advantage. hard to sell a long bus ride to a small stadium with few frills in a less than exciting locale. gastate in atlanta and usa with their new stadium should have some success and maybe txst since there are plenty of flights to austin and they have good facilities.

(12-24-2018 11:41 AM)theATLDawg Wrote:  The SunBelt is not a stronger football league than CUSA. It’s the same three schools pulling all the weight in the belt. Both conferences have their annual bottom feeders and cream that rises to the top. Western KY will come back up. The Florida schools are back. Marshall Tech Middle and UNT and UAB are good. USM is on its way back. The Belt is always App Southern and Troy.. every time a belt school beats CUSA it’s usually only those three who do it. I will say ULL will trend up with this coach. You were a three team conference this year. 4-2 bowl record does not indicate a bad conference. I think the belt always represents well at the top. And yes ULL would bolt.

Head to head this year: SBC 4 CUSA 2. CUSA Champ lost to a 5 win Coastal. CUSA runner up got destroyed by by SBC champ.....not beat, not close loss....absolutely destroyed. The two CUSA wins were against a couple of 3 win teams and those were close contests.

CUSA, boot out your bottom 6 then maybe 2 of ours would be interested. Until then nah gah hah brah.

(12-24-2018 12:25 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(12-24-2018 12:06 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-23-2018 11:37 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(12-23-2018 11:26 PM)CoachWillRob Wrote:  

(12-23-2018 10:40 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  I agree, on the football field there isn't much difference at all right now. Any given year one conference could argue they are better than the other imo. But overall I think CUSA is the better conference when you take in to account fan bases and the other major sport, Men's Basketball.

Louisiana is the only team in the Sun Belt who has respectable basketball attendance. Yes there are some teams in CUSA with terrible basketball attendance too, but overall, we have pretty good attendance.

Louisiana is #1 in the Sun Belt (BY FAR) with an average attendance of 3,917/game. That would put them 6th in CUSA in average attendance with Charlotte (3,876/game) right behind them. Louisiana isn't even close to the Top 5 in CUSA with Marshall (6,451/game) and ODU (6,164/game) leading the way for CUSA. Again, Louisiana is by far the leader in the Sun Belt and would be middle of the pack in CUSA.

CUSA and Sun Belt may be pretty even in football but there is no comparison in basketball. CUSA is definitely the bigger/better conference from top to bottom.

Right now, Sun Belt is a step ahead of the CUSA in football

Very debatable. Pretty even. Even if SBC is ahead it's barely ahead. In terms of basketball, there is no comparison.

Debatable? Provide your evidence. Every composite ranking i've seen shows the Sun Belt firmly ahead of both the MAC and C-USA in football for at least 3 of the last 4 seasons now. MAC was boosted by Western Michigan in their NY6 year and the Belt still finished almost even with them.

This year, the Sun Belt had 3 10-win teams. What does C-USA have?

More bowl tie ins, better bowl tie ins, multiple Top 25 finishes (this is first year in a long time that we haven't finished with a Top 25 team), history/precedent of being ahead in the pecking order.

In the time horizon selected for comparison, provide evidence. The Southern Conference likely is one of the best conferences of all time. But since FCS was formed, the Southern Conference is obviously not on the same level as the SEC or Big Ten.

In the recent past, and foreseeable future, with the current make up of the conferences, Sun Belt is positioned better for future bowl alignment, more Top 25 finishes, and at least finishing ahead of C-USA until the next alignment.

All of the heavy hitters from C-USA are gone. Case in point is Marshall's ascendance once the AAC was formed. Marshall hadn't done much of anything since leaving the MAC.

CUSA fans are just preaching the same old mantra because that's all they know. Ever heard of the law of diffusion of innovation?



The tipping point for a product (or in this case an idea) typically occurs just past the line between early adopters and early majority. That's where we are right now. Writers, pundits, and media types who actually analyze trends understand the Sunbelt is better. Casual fans who may actually care are going to be the late majority. CUSA fans don't want to believe their beloved conference is falling behind will always be laggards with rose colored glasses on.

All of this is to say Sunbelt teams need to sit tight and stay the course. We've pulled even and have an opportunity to clearly surpass CUSA in the next 3 years.

There is not a single reason I would want to leave the SBC for CUSA. Money is equal or better in the SBC, both are one bid NCAA leagues and the geography is the same. We have managed to build better facilities than virtually all of CUSA and I like the SBC bowls better due to location. The TV deal is better as well since I can get all the games on an ESPN platform.

Two of the top five in this list are in the Sun Belt. The only one not that resides within the footprint should reconsider it's position and where the future looks brighter. Just a quick side step and the future looks mo bright.

https://twitter.com/AppStateNation/statu...9975670784

(12-26-2018 11:24 AM)Cajuns1252 Wrote:  Not in favor of going to the current C-USA but if the top teams from each conference would make a new conference that would be about the only reason I’d leave the Sunbelt set up we have.

(12-26-2018 04:35 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  There is not a single reason I would want to leave the SBC for CUSA. Money is equal or better in the SBC, both are one bid NCAA leagues and the geography is the same. We have managed to build better facilities than virtually all of CUSA and I like the SBC bowls better due to location. The TV deal is better as well since I can get all the games on an ESPN platform.

Can you please elaborate on this. Not saying it isnt true, but I'm def curious.